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jagnweiner

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Stella-

It's worth a shot.  The BKF probably won't do any more damage to the decals.  I scrubbed my decals as well as the fiberglass.  My only caution would be not to scrub so hard that the decals come off.
-Scott
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mars

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Yes, do all four sides. The Zep is essentially adding a shiny clear coat finish even if there is no shine.

Thanks Scott   :)

mars

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I was wondering if there was any substitute for BKF (Bar Keeper's Friend)??  I checked at Home Depot here in Quebec, Canada and haven't found any..
Would comet be a good replacement??

Thanks,

Mars

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Mars, I don't know about substitutes, but I saw BKF in an Ace Hardware store down here in California yesterday. I've never looked for it in a Home Depot store. Do you have Ace Hardware stores up there?
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catblaster

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I was thinking of Bon Ami if you have it up there. It is rumored that mechanics used it in aircraft engines for a quick break-in during WW2 in the Pacific due to the lack of new parts. Very mild like BKF.
Will and Jane
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Just Lou

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The problem that I would see in using Bon Ami or Comet is the residue that has to be removed while wet (serious wiping and rinsing).  The residue from BKF is much easier to remove.  That's why Bar Keep's and restaurant folks prefer it.
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mars

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Thanks Tom, Will and Lou for your replies...I've found some at ''Canadian Tire Stores''...We even have some in my small town...''Home Hardware'' also has it...Here's what they write about Bar Keeper's Friend...

Overview
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Powders

•Bar Keepers Friend is an all natural professional powder cleanser
•At Bar Keepers Friend we use environment-friendly ingredients derived from rhubarb so it is non-toxic and biodegradeable
•Contains no phosphates, bleach, or abrasive crystalline silica which may harm many surfaces
•Contains no hazardous chemicals or perfumes, and we DO NOT test on animals
•Gently removes stains other cleansers can't
•Can be used to clean and polish stainless steel, porcelain, ceramic tile, plastic, copper, china, fiberglass, imitation marble, tile, grout, chrome, and composition sinks
•Removes coffee and tea stains, gray marks on porcelain, and even mineral deposits left in tubs and toilets
•Bar Keepers Friend will even remove rust
•Also recommended for cleaning Artisan, Blanco, Delta Faucet, Eljer, Elkay, Franke, Keidel, MIXA, Pfeifer, Rachiele, Revere, and Wedgwood premium sinks



Thanks again!!  Now I just have to get to work...Just can't wait to see the result..Hope it makes me one happy camper... ;)

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Just spent the morning re-doing the locker doors on one side as the finish had become worn-looking.  That section was our first effort last year, and after we did the rest of the coach the following week, we realized we'd not done such a great job on the first bit.  Needless to say, it's come up grrr-eaatt.  The rest of the coach still looks good to the extent that we get regular comments from folks saying it's nice to see a glossy older coach.

Good ol' Zep. :)

Dougie.
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Deano2002

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A few questions from an avid RV restorer:

1. I'm assuming this works on older filon type exteriors that did not have a clear coat
2. If I have clear coat that has gone whitish, does this bring back the color?
3. Does it do anything to brighten up old decals?
4. Does anybody know how long this lasts or what happens when it wears out?

FYI: I know how to reglue delaminated sides without taking the whole side off.  I can post that trick if anybody needs it.
  I have a de-lamination on my 1990 that i need some instruction on
1989 Champion LaSalle 34' project

ceemike

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #69 on: August 29, 2013, 09:06:56 PM »
After reading about the success Dougie Brown, Pancake Bill, Lou and others have had shining up their rigs with ZEP, the DW & I decided to give it a try on our 2004 Brave.  The prep work was very time consuming, and we had to use bleach to remove what looked like mildew on the back and sides of our coach.  The BKF wouldn't touch it.  We put four coats on the front, back and right side today and they look great.  Tomorrow we finish up the left side. 

We put the ZEP only on the white, unpainted fiberglass and the graphics.  We decided to use regular auto wax on the painted parts of the body, like the storage bay doors. 

The coach hasn't looked this good in the four years we've owned it.  Thanks to everyone who supplied the info & directions on how to do this.

I attached some before and after pics and a pic of the black spots that only came off with bleach.
Mike & Judy Wagner
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2004 Honda CRV

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #70 on: August 30, 2013, 03:54:24 AM »
Good job!  It is hard work, but well worth it. :)

Dougie.
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tnguy

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2013, 11:52:36 AM »
ok i "tried" reading through this whole post looking to see if it works on aluminum siding on a travel trailer???  i got so distracted looking at all the motorhome pictures i lost track of what i started out doing LOL :)

thanks

ceemike

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2013, 12:55:57 PM »
Dougie,

Now that we put the ZEP on our coach, we took it on a trip last week and we want to wash the road grime off of it.  When you wash your coach do you use just water or do you use a car wash type detergent or soap?  We don't want to use something that will mess up the nice shine.
Mike & Judy Wagner
From the Keystone State
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WIT # W161150
2004 Winnebago Brave 32V, W20 Chassis
2004 Honda CRV

jagnweiner

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2013, 12:58:31 PM »
Detergent shouldn't be a problem.  The Zep is an acrylic coating that requires a special stripper to remove. 
-Scott
2000 Itasca Horizon 36LD

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2013, 01:02:47 PM »
Scott, thanks.
Mike & Judy Wagner
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2004 Honda CRV

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2013, 01:06:03 PM »
Wot Scott said. ;)

Dougie.
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rvandrew

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2013, 01:54:55 AM »
Have put 4 coats of Zep so far on the MH.  A definite shine upgrade as described in this thread---thanks for the tip.  One thing I have noticed: the Zep tends to coagulate on my latex gloves, transfers to the microfiber cloth and leave little specks when applied to the MH.  I change my gloves halfway through the process to minimize.  Maybe I spend too much time, but it takes me about 2 hours per coat (using a ladder to reach the high spots); there are worse ways to unwind in the sun after work!
A. Craig
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Workhorse Chassis W-22
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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2013, 03:39:26 AM »
It's true you do have to be careful with the waxy adhesions, but I found that they only collect on the gloves if they're allowed to dry out.  If you resrict yourself to immersing the fingers into your bowl/container/whatever, they shouldn't develop the flakes until you're done.

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #78 on: September 15, 2013, 10:16:39 AM »
Following this thread.  It sounds like just what we need.  Thanks for sharing!!!

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #79 on: September 15, 2013, 10:25:56 AM »
Try a bucket of water and an old towel to dip and dry your gloved hands. The gloves don't need to be bone dry, just not shiny wet. Or buy a 50 pair box of vinyl gloves at the drugstore and change often. I used the blue long cuff re-useable type from hardware store.

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #80 on: September 15, 2013, 10:39:29 AM »
Wearing gloves is certainly advised, but a lot of the problem can be avoided by wrapping (and securing) the micro fiber cloth around  the head of a sponge mop and dipping the mop in the liquid.  You will have to wring out the excess, but you will also get much more area coverage per dip.  Works for me.  I can make three trips around the rig in less than 30 minutes.
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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #81 on: October 06, 2013, 04:29:06 AM »
Glad I found this thread... very interesting.. was going to buy Shine On which cost about 4x what Zep can do. My 20 yo beast needs a major facelift and this could be my answer... ;)

Seeing this is an interior product... What effect on the shine when it comes to UV... any comments on this

I want to remove my old pin stripping... not sure if I want to put them back on... BUT... if I put on the Zep... and then decide to put back the pin stripping... will it stick

Thanks

Mike

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #82 on: October 06, 2013, 09:17:12 AM »
Glad I found this thread... very interesting.. was going to buy Shine On which cost about 4x what Zep can do. My 20 yo beast needs a major facelift and this could be my answer... ;)

Seeing this is an interior product... What effect on the shine when it comes to UV... any comments on this

I want to remove my old pin stripping... not sure if I want to put them back on... BUT... if I put on the Zep... and then decide to put back the pin stripping... will it stick

Thanks

Mike

1, i think i would do the pin stripe first or id say it wouldnt stick at all. (you have to clean any wax off anything to stick something to it)

2, i did my TT about 3 months ago and it sits out in the direct sun and it hasnt fazed it a bit still looks like the day i put it on :)

tnguy

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #83 on: October 06, 2013, 09:18:56 AM »
also a tip (maybe)  i put my wax in a spray bottle and sprayed a small amount on the TT then rubbed it in works great and no open cans/bottles to get spilt ;)


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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #84 on: October 06, 2013, 09:36:01 AM »
The wet look floor finish is not a wax, there is no wax in it. It is an acrylic clear coat. Washes up with ammonia. Each successive coat dissolves and merges with previous coat. I went right over my vinyl stripes, then stumbled into info about it lifting off of dark graphics in southern sun and heat. It sure does revive the shine.

Bill
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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #85 on: October 25, 2013, 01:17:46 AM »
I have a 1996 Allegro and I used the ZEP and I put 5 coats on mine about a year and a half ago it still gooks great. I live in Texas and there  is plenty of sun and heat. No sign of yellowing, it brought back my decals and I have added additional pin striping over the ZEP it is sticking very well. As earlier posts Zep is like clear coating and it bonds to previous applications. My basement doors were painted metal they are holding up great. My friend had a old fiberglass ranger boat 1974 I believe we did his boat and he was so pleased with it he went and  bought new seat and carpet.
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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #86 on: October 28, 2013, 07:14:38 PM »
.......he was so pleased with it he went and  bought new seat and carpet.

So not such a cheap solution then.  ;)

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Re: Bodywork shine - Red Max Pro 3 no longer avail - ZEP is same product :-)
« Reply #87 on: October 29, 2013, 09:16:29 AM »
So not such a cheap solution then.  ;)

Dougie.

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Cheap inspiration!  ;)
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ok i "tried" reading through this whole post looking to see if it works on aluminum siding on a travel trailer???  i got so distracted looking at all the motorhome pictures i lost track of what i started out doing LOL :)

thanks

I to would like to know if this works with the painted aluminum trailers.......

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Detergent shouldn't be a problem.  The Zep is an acrylic coating that requires a special stripper to remove.
And make sure, when you pick up that special stripper, to get her a new stripper pole...
Also remember to tip her well.........
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