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DoubleCK

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"Country Coach"......Thinking of making an offer.
« on: May 25, 2012, 11:56:09 AM »
We are shopping.  8)

Looking to go Full Time within the next 2 years.  We really like the Country Coach Pushers.  Being of modest means we hope to buy down the "dreaded depreciation" some.

2005 Country Coach Inspire, 40ft, 50K miles, 3 Slides, 400 hp Cat, Tow System, Sat Dish, W/D, Lots of other whistles and bells.  Purported to be in great condition with only marginal tires and in need of a good carpet cleaning.  We like the colors, drive train and the floor plan.

No, we haven't seen it yet in person.  We would arrange to have a professional, neutral inspection before purchase.  However, before we make the trip to look we would like to establish a price that we could live with.

In this economy what number would you say would be a really good buy on this Coach?   :-\
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Re: "Country Coach"......Thinking of making an offer.
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2012, 12:11:56 PM »
Ah! one of my favorite motorhomes, Country Coach. Check out this site,   www.demartinirv.com  They have about 3 in stock on their site. Only one is a 40' er though. However it may help you compare prices. Another good resource could be EBay. I just looked and there are about 28 Country Coach Motorhomes on there of various years. That is 7 years now on the tires on the Country Coach you are looking at. Probably time to replace all of them unless they have been changed out. I just changed out the back 4 tires on our 2005 coach. Cost was $2800 for 4 Michelins just outside of Mesa Arizona. Changed the 2 fronts out last season to Michelins, here in our home town. Many on this site suggest changing out tires after 7 years of service.


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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2012, 01:21:29 PM »
Thanks Bill.  They have some nice units alright.  I like that 40' Alpine.

Would one expect to pay the RV Lot asking price for a for sale by owner?

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2012, 01:24:16 PM »
The seller has indicated the 4 of the 6 tires are showing some weather checking and probably should be replaced.

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Re: "Country Coach"......Thinking of making an offer.
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2012, 01:52:26 PM »
Definitely have a professional look it over before buying it. And drive it yourself before you buy it. Here is the current NADA value:

http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/2005/Country-Coach/GENOA-400/3042844/Standard-Equipment
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2012, 02:07:51 PM »
Many Thanks Tom!  :)

Do you think that low retail figure would also represent an average wholesale value?

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2012, 02:55:56 PM »
I have no idea what those figures really mean.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 06:29:04 PM »
We haven't all had a good experience at that dealership. http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=22551.msg249809#msg249809
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2012, 06:46:34 PM »
The seller has indicated the 4 of the 6 tires are showing some weather checking and probably should be replaced.

Be sure and check the date codes on ALL the tires. If they are over 7 years old, replace them all; regardless of "how they look". Unfortunately, I know first hand the amount of damage that can be done by a blow out due to old tires.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2012, 07:12:45 PM »
Wholesale is usually about 25% below retail on used units and higher on new ones.  Usually.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2012, 07:50:41 PM »
As much as I like CCs, there are two complaints that I constantly hear from CC owners.
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2: The generator is a Power Tech and is quite noisy compared to an Onan.
If these two items are of no concern to you, go for it.

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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2012, 10:04:39 PM »
Ours is an Onan diesel generator, 12,500 w.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2012, 10:56:12 PM »
On a 2005, I'm betting all tires are original.  Budget to replace all 6 + a spare (if it has one) to be safe.

For motorhome prices, go to www.nadaguides.com and follow the prompts for RV's and your make/model you want to price.  Do not add in any "Options" (uncheck all boxes) when pricing a used motorhome... those are only applicable with new units, although many sellers will check all kinds of boxes to inflate their asking price.  NADA is a guideline, but you shouldn't pay more than the "Low Retail" listing unless the thing is perfect or perfectly fits your needs and budget.  There's a lot of fish in the sea of used motorhomes right now.
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2012, 09:33:56 AM »
I don't have a lot of faith in the online NADA value for a high-demand motorhome like a Country Coach. The online NADA guide is based on average depreciation and a nice high end coach like that usually depreciates less than average due to demand. On the other hand, a private sale is usually less than dealer prices.  I suggest checking with local library to see if they have the actual printed NADA RV Guide in their Reference section - many of them do subscribe to the NADA Guides. This fee version has better data than the free online one.

That said, I would still be thinking in terms of making an offer for around the price range shown in the online guide and see how the negotiation goes. You can always raise your offer if the seller balks, but you can't reduce a high offer after he agrees! Remember to factor the cost of 6 new tires into your bid..

Low Retail is NOT wholesale - nowhere near it.
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2012, 11:20:41 AM »
As far as for sale by owner on a lot, I am sure now a days there is a fair amount of "wggle room" on all units for sale.

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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2012, 11:51:54 AM »
Thanks for all the good info guys!

The coach we are looking at has an Onan 7500 Quiet Diesel.  The coach is a for sale by owner.  It is not on a lot.

I just got off the phone with the seller.  He indicated that all the tires were not original and that only four were weather checked.  I am thinking a new set of six would be the best way for us to go.  If you were planning to keep this coach for many years, what brand, model would you recommend?  Anyone recommend a good tire dealer in the Phoenix area?  Second thought, perhaps Billings would be a good option due to no Montana sales tax.

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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2012, 12:13:32 PM »
Just got off the phone with TireRama in Billings.  Six 275/80/22.5 Michelin XZA3 LRH tires....$4023 mounted.

Good Deal?

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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2012, 01:03:16 PM »
Have you checked prices on the FMCA Michelin Advantage program?
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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2012, 01:27:46 PM »
Just got off the phone with TireRama in Billings.  Six 275/80/22.5 Michelin XZA3 LRH tires....$4023 mounted.

Good Deal?

I live in Belgrade and have found TireRama to be a little higher than some of the other shops like Whelan tire or Tire factory.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2012, 06:37:08 PM »
That tire price sounds like the going rate for Michelins, which are exorbitant anyway. If you want Michelin, definitely join the FMCA and use their fleet discount program. Personally, I would be looking at a different brand, e.g. Goodrich (made by Michelin), Continental, Goodyear, etc. The Continental HSR2 is available in that size and an excellent tire.
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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2012, 08:44:22 AM »
If you are able to get the VIN, you can contact this company.  They were started by some of the original folks at CC.  I have spoken with them, and for $20, they can get you the original "build" sheet.   I have no affiliation with them, and the only contact I have had with them is 2 phone calls for info on a CC I was looking at.  They seem nice, and willing to help.

 http://www.countrycoach.com/
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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2012, 09:58:05 AM »
We are shopping.  8)

Looking to go Full Time within the next 2 years.  We really like the Country Coach Pushers.  Being of modest means we hope to buy down the "dreaded depreciation" some.

2005 Country Coach Inspire, 40ft, 50K miles, 3 Slides, 400 hp Cat, Tow System, Sat Dish, W/D, Lots of other whistles and bells.  Purported to be in great condition with only marginal tires and in need of a good carpet cleaning.  We like the colors, drive train and the floor plan.

No, we haven't seen it yet in person.  We would arrange to have a professional, neutral inspection before purchase.  However, before we make the trip to look we would like to establish a price that we could live with.

In this economy what number would you say would be a really good buy on this Coach?   :-\

All good info, thanks.

I can't make the KBB or NADA work for me.  Can anyone tell me what "trade-in value" would be on this coach?

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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2012, 01:02:15 PM »
The free online NADA Guide doesn't give trade-in values. Just average and low retail, and those are based on average depreciation rather than market data.

I can't seem to access the NADA site either today - must be having some problems.
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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2012, 12:13:47 PM »
I can't make the KBB or NADA work for me.  Can anyone tell me what "trade-in value" would be on this coach?

Can't make it work?  KBB isn't really known for RV values, go to www.NADAguides.com ... click on the "RVs" tab at the top (or "RV Values" for the pull-down menu from that same tab) ... click on "Motorhomes" when given the choices of RV types ... and follow the prompts for the make/model/year that you are checking out.  Once again, do NOT select any of the "Options" checkboxes during the pricing process for a used unit.
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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2012, 05:37:47 PM »
Just got off the phone with TireRama in Billings.  Six 275/80/22.5 Michelin XZA3 LRH tires....$4023 mounted.  Good Deal?

$4,000  :o - holy cow!  I think we paid about $450 per tire (mounted) for that exact Michelin tire about two years ago in San Antonio.
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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2012, 07:13:26 PM »
John, when I purchased those 4 Michelins this past winter in Arizona, there were two prices increases before I purchased and another increase coming up. The salesman said Michelin is just pricing tires at whatever they want and what the consumers will pay. They sell a very good product but are being very greedy.

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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2012, 12:42:31 PM »
John,
Another factor is that the US imposed a 30% Tariff on Chinese tires a couple of years ago; not surprisingly tires promptly went up in cost by about 30%. That is starting to drop due to competition, but they are still high.
I've found that Cooper makes a good tire (I even toured their plant years back) and seems quite reasonably priced. My 19.5's cost me $250 each this spring.
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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2012, 01:57:25 PM »
Timing is everything - glad I get new shoes for the coach when I did!  Maybe by the time I need new ones, the prices will be down to reasonable levels.
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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2012, 02:58:02 PM »
Goodrich?  Good tip!

Whalen Tire, Billings, MT? Another good tip!

 Six 275/80/22.5 Goodrich Tires Mounted and balanced.....$2900.

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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2012, 03:43:35 PM »
$4,000  :o - holy cow!  I think we paid about $450 per tire (mounted) for that exact Michelin tire about two years ago in San Antonio.

I paid $350.00 for 2 tires for my daughters Saturn View. Use to be able to get 4 tires for that price!  :o

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