Casino Parking Lot Boondocking - a Safer Option

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loringsontheroad

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I've been reading up on options for boondocking. Safety is definitely my first consideration. I'm still not 100% sure how I feel about Wal-Marts  however, a 24 hour Wal-Mart does appeal to me (I can do my shopping, too). I guess it depends on where the Wal-Mart is located; I will have to trust my gut.  Since we've gotten our TT, we have boondocked at a couple of different casinos in our area. Actually, when we want to get away just overnight - a casino (if not too far away) is a great destination. Usually, security has you check in and there are designated parking areas. Because the lots are under constant surveillance and are patrolled, I feel really safe at a casino. As a matter of fact, I found a website that lists all the casinos in the US - and although I haven't checked every state, there are an awful lot of them. I do recommend calling the casino before you go, to find out what their policy is, but they are usually glad to have you and are quite accommodating.
 
I've been reading up on options for boondocking. Safety is definitely my first consideration. I'm still not 100% sure how I feel about Wal-Marts  however, a 24 hour Wal-Mart does appeal to me (I can do my shopping, too). I guess it depends on where the Wal-Mart is located

I think you have it right. Our winter home is equidistant from two super Wal-Marts. The parking lot of one is a hot bed of petty crime. I would never think of going there after dark. The other is peaceful and quiet - I would not hesitate to be in the lot overnight. Our experience with casinos has been mostly positive. In a couple of instances our peace was disturbed by couples arguing (I guess booze and losing money can strain a relationship), but these instances can happen anywhere. Good luck in your travels.
 
Parking lot security is good (By that I mean a good security force and video surveillance) .

However the only real security is you.  You need to look about you when you first park, Decide if the locaion looks "Friendly" or "Hostile".  If you feel.. "Concerned" park elsewhere.  It's that simple.

Keep doors and windows locked, If someone knocks on the door open the KITCHEN window, or some other high window and talk to them through the screened window (one that's too small to crawl through too)  If the person outside your RV actually needs help, You can call 9-1-1 or call the store (Depending on the help needed) without letting them inside (or AAA even, done that many times for stranded motorists on the road.. I do not unlock car or open window farther than needed).
(But then I have a special number for AAA michigan).

 
Safety is an illusion.  You are never truly safe anywhere.  Ensuring that you can mitigate any threat is priority #1, but that's another topic.

That said, some places are safer than others.  Wal-Mart and Casinos aren't the first place that comes to mind when I think of the word "safe".  The clientele that frequent both can be less than savory.  Is saving $30 really worth the additional risk?
 
I'm very leery about boondocking in any city. WalMart or Casino parking lots are not safe by my standards. It gotten to the point that I'm now a conceal license holder and open carry my pistol most of the time. The only safe place to boondock is outside the city away from people.
 
Paying $30 is no guarantee either. I've been in campgrounds that harbored some rather unsavory individuals too, either in the park or near-by.  No matter where you go, you need to be aware of the surroundings and decide for yourself whether you feel comfortable or not.
 
Most of the casinos in our area have paid RV lots. They are set up much like any other RV park, and have full hook ups. The nice thing about these, is that the price tends to be substantially lower (usually about 30%) than the other parks around, and they do normally have some type of security (check in person) at the entrance. We've spent the night at a couple of them, usually on our way to somewhere else, and found them to be very nice.
 
If I had to choose between the two for safety and security a casino just wouldn't be my top choice.  Gambling tends to attract a less than upstanding crowd in and of itself so I think the cards might be stacked in the wrong direction to start with.

As stated previously, security starts and ends with you the individual.  You don't need to be paranoid but you do need to be very aware of your surroundings.  We've "camped" in countless WalMart parking lots over the last decade and been very pleased with if nothing else the appearance of security in the form of cameras.  But those cameras aren't going to save  you if somebody wants to do you harm, they are simply a deterrent for those criminals intelligent enough to realize that somebody might just be able to identify them.

My best advice to you is to inquire inside "before" you get your slides out and set up for the nite.  A friendly question at the customer service counter will provide you with either piece of mind or the inclination to go find someplace else.

We tend to stay in either WalMart or church parking lots when we are transiting simply because I find it a waste of "my" money to spend $45-$60 for a parking spot for the nite, it's been a few years since I've found an overnite rate of $30 although there must still be one or two RV parks out there that haven't realized that they can charge whatever they want.  As far as being armed is concerned, it's not for everybody.  Although I hardly ever leave the house without, it's a huge responsibility that if ever used will change your life forever and is NOT to be taken lightly.  Also there are states out there (CA, OR, WA & NV for example) that do not recognize many if any other states CCW permits.  I'm currently just a few miles from Washington and although they don't recognize my permit they do allow open carry but, you can't carry in a vehicle without a recognized permit so you might as well not.  A gun violation would put a whole 'nother crimp in your vacation plans. 

No matter if you're in a WalMart parking lot or a 5 star RV resort, be aware of your surroundings.  If it's a parking lot, inquire inside about the area, they don't want you the customer to have problems and once you ask you have basically put the liability monkey on their backs should something happen, so they aren't likely to tell you to ignore the lot lizards and crack heads over on the north side of the store and just sleep tight.

As a side note:  Right below the door handle to our front entry is a fire extinguisher which has two very important things attached to it by magnets.  One is a small MagLite flashlite and the other is a can of "Bear Spray".  For those of you unfamiliar, this stuff is to defend yourself against Grizzly Bears and is not something you EVER want to get hit with.  Law enforcement is not allowed to use anything near the potency of bear spray but you the citizen are fully within your rights to have at it against somebody trying to do you harm with the stuff.  Fair warning though, if you get it on you there is a trip to the ER on your schedule of events for the evening.
 
Mopar1973Man said:
I'm very leery about boondocking in any city. WalMart or Casino parking lots are not safe by my standards. It gotten to the point that I'm now a conceal license holder and open carry my pistol most of the time. The only safe place to boondock is outside the city away from people.

You and I are cut from the same cloth.  I open carry in the county, concealed in the city.  I avoid places that aren't aligned with the 2nd amendment.  :)

Gary....you are correct, and as I mentioned, NO PLACE is every truly "safe".  But the odds of running across someone who might consider doing one harm increase exponentially in places like Wal-Mart and casinos.  Just the nature of the beast.  It can happen in a campground too, but is less likely for a plethora of reasons.

Vigilance is the first line of defense, always.  That becomes increasingly difficult when 20 drunks per hour who just lost their rent money are staggering past your coach.  Having to shut someone off because they made became inebriated and made an irrational financial decision and decided to take it out on the nearest John Q. they find is bad for everyone involved.  I prefer to lessen my odds of that happening.  Prevention is impossible....mitigation is the name of the game. 

I'll either boondock in the boonies, or pay my $30 where I have fewer souls to be aware of. 
 
Foto-n-T said:
If I had to choose between the two for safety and security a casino just wouldn't be my top choice.  Gambling tends to attract a less than upstanding crowd in and of itself so I think the cards might be stacked in the wrong direction to start with.

No pun intended, right?  ;D

Foto-n-T said:
the other is a can of "Bear Spray".  For those of you unfamiliar, this stuff is to defend yourself against Grizzly Bears and is not something you EVER want to get hit with. 

Anything that will make a griz run off is up to the task of running off a miscreant....
 
Foto-n-T said:
Sorry Frizlefrak I couldn't resist, can you guess that I don't gamble?

LOL....I sort of had an inkling of that.  ;D

I don't either....gambling, lottery etc is a tax on the statistically challenged.  And the thought of spending hours choking on second hand smoke (yes, I'm an ex smoker) and being surrounded by a segment of society that I find less than appealing isn't "in the cards" for me either.  ;)

No, not everyone in a casino is a societal malcontent, but they do tend to congregate there.  The further them and I are apart, the happier we will all be.  The last time I was in a casino, I got treated to hearing two gray panthers screaming obscenities at each other over a dispute regarding one of them playing two slot machines at a time (although it was a bit amusing too).  Security eventually showed up and sent them their separate ways. Then there was the corpulent gentleman with a bucket of chicken strips in one hand and a bucket of nickels in the other, alternating hands....and a layer of grease on the machine buttons.....I thought I was gonna toss my cookies. 

Camp there??  No thanks.  :)
 
Gary RV Roamer said:
Paying $30 is no guarantee either. I've been in campgrounds that harbored some rather unsavory individuals too, either in the park or near-by.  No matter where you go, you need to be aware of the surroundings and decide for yourself whether you feel comfortable or not.

I totally agree, We were at a KOA and they were letting a homeless couple stay in their car and a tent! My wife took them over some left over pizza one night. Point being, not everyone in the RV parks now a days are there because they want to be!  :(
Scott  :)

 
Foto-n-T said:
As a side note:  Right below the door handle to our front entry is a fire extinguisher which has two very important things attached to it by magnets.  One is a small MagLite flashlite and the other is a can of "Bear Spray".  For those of you unfamiliar, this stuff is to defend yourself against Grizzly Bears and is not something you EVER want to get hit with.  Law enforcement is not allowed to use anything near the potency of bear spray but you the citizen are fully within your rights to have at it against somebody trying to do you harm with the stuff.  Fair warning though, if you get it on you there is a trip to the ER on your schedule of events for the evening.

I really like the idea of the bear spray and flashlight attached to the fire extinguisher and plan to 'copy' it for our travels! I am not against guns but am uncomfortable having one around; it's just not for me. This may have been addressed elsewhere, but where does one find bear spray?
 
Steve & Linda said:
I really like the idea of the bear spray and flashlight attached to the fire extinguisher and plan to 'copy' it for our travels! I am not against guns but am uncomfortable having one around; it's just not for me. This may have been addressed elsewhere, but where does one find bear spray?

Amazon, of course.  ;)

http://www.amazon.com/Mace-Brand-Bear-Pepper-Spray/dp/B0002YSWIQ

 
Steve & Linda said:
I really like the idea of the bear spray and flashlight attached to the fire extinguisher and plan to 'copy' it for our travels! I am not against guns but am uncomfortable having one around; it's just not for me.

Have taken a series of lessons and range practice at the BASF north of Phoenix. Very enlightening for me plus was able to work mostly with the top cop ranger of the facility.

One thing I recall and remembered when reading your post was, "It's not a good idea to go to be involved in a gun fight armed with bear spray". The person that would force through your RV door while you are there most likely will be packing more than bear spray. That would be a different animal than those that would steal your bike, portable genset, or lawnchairs. Then too, if you bear spray someone, they may decide to return with vengeance in mind.
 
I have stayed in one casino about two hours away from us which is really nice and safe. They have a special parking area just for RV's, there are cameras and security personnel that patrol the area on a regular basis and it only costs $5. In addition, if you don't want to walk across the parking lot to the casino you can call the security desk and they will pick you up. I've never stared in a Wal-Mart parking lot and I don't really intend to either, I would rather just park in one just long enough to buy supplies then get back on the road.
 
loringsontheroad said:
I've been reading up on options for boondocking. Safety is definitely my first consideration. I'm still not 100% sure how I feel about Wal-Marts  however, a 24 hour Wal-Mart does appeal to me (I can do my shopping, too). I guess it depends on where the Wal-Mart is located; I will have to trust my gut.  Since we've gotten our TT, we have boondocked at a couple of different casinos in our area. Actually, when we want to get away just overnight - a casino (if not too far away) is a great destination. Usually, security has you check in and there are designated parking areas. Because the lots are under constant surveillance and are patrolled, I feel really safe at a casino. As a matter of fact, I found a website that lists all the casinos in the US - and although I haven't checked every state, there are an awful lot of them. I do recommend calling the casino before you go, to find out what their policy is, but they are usually glad to have you and are quite accommodating.

What you are talking about is dry camping not boondocking,  boondocking is camping in the boonies not camping in a parking lot. We have done both for the last 34 years in many different places without any problems, the biggest thing is be aware of your surroundings when you stop. We have had good luck in casinos and have stayed away from Walmart in the last few years just because of the traffic and the design of the parking lots in the newer stores. Some cities like Reno no longer allow dry camping or RV parking in casino parking lots or any parking lot so if we are out that way we just keep on going because the parks in that area are way over priced and a long way form the casinos. The casinos that do have parks set up RVs are usually reasonable in their price so use them also.

Denny
   
 
I like the food in many casinos, mainly the buffets.  The Village Buffet in the Rio has several types of crab, Lobster, sushi, just jam packed with seafood.  I couldn't park at the Rio, but right across the street at the Gold Coast there was plenty of room, and they said they didn't have a policy on how long I could stay.  They also told me it was ok to put out my slide and put jacks down as long as I had wood blocks under them. 

The GC buffet, was not even close to the quality of the Rio, but it was like $15 and the VB at the Rio was $39 I think.  But as for safety, there was security always evident, I felt very safe.  Also the M has a great buffet, and they have free RV parking where I felt very safe.  The Stratosphere has a lot right across the street that RV's can park in, one guy told me he's been there for more than a month.  But I didn't see security there, so I ask him to watch my unit while I rode the rides and ate in the tower.  By the way, if you haven't eaten in the Stratosphere tower restaurant, and you're not afraid of heights, I wouldn't want to miss it.  The food is excellent, service is awesome, and the tower turns so you get a complete view while you're eating. Wonderful experience. 

As for WM, I like my first night out to be at a WMSC, as every trip so far, I forgot something and had to do some shopping.  I usually see a guy driving around in a security car at WM, but it's much noisier there.  I'm just there to make sure I have everything for the trip.  And many times I go shopping, then go to bed, wake up in the morning and get what I forgot the first time in, then leave on my trip.  Maybe after I've been at this awhile that won't be necessary.  Last time I needed a trash can, then some WD40, then I forgot some groceries.  But the store I've always stopped at is in Paris, TX near my farm, it's a small town where I feel safe.  Once I really get more trips under my belt, I'll probably look for the security guy before I park for a few zzz. 

I don't like rest areas as I've read about many murders and robberies in those places.  Although I've noticed lately they are posting that they now have security.  If I do have to stop there, all my doors are locked, I use the bathroom in the MH and leave.  My goal is to get where I'm going, but stop whenever I get tired and take a nap.  I don't stop at those places to "camp" but just to rest up so I'm safe to drive again.  But as a previous poster said, my safety is my responsibility.

I don't usually put my slide out unless I'm boondocking at my farm, or at FrontSight.com in Nevada, (where I can boondock for free, and feel incredibly safe.)  As that is where I get my gun training.  That is one of the main reasons I got the RV, it saves me an hour drive each way for a 4 day class, and I enjoy many classes back to back.
Here is a great site to find out if you're legal with your current permit:
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_information.html

In any state you can have your gun in your RV, but in a state like IL you have to disable your gun or have it in an inaccessible place unloaded.  As I understand the law one must store the ammunition separately, and if one is not an IL resident, must be legally able to carry in their state of residence as only residents can get a FOID card.  I have carry permits from several states.  Oh, for the day the 2nd amendment is truly honored in this country and I can carry legally everywhere without a pocket full of permits.

This law passed the House, but doesn't go far enough;

http://www.usacarry.com/national-concealed-carry-reciprocity-bill-passes-house/

If you care, you can call your senators and voice your thoughts, it goes to the Senate next.  I believe that Illinois and DC should be included in this bill.  As the IL laws are now, I'm basically carrying a $800 hammer that can't be within arms reach. And if you've ever visited Chicago, you know there's not a safe WM in the city.  I try not ever to stop or shop in IL, just passing thru, I'll get my fuel and food, back in the US where they honor the constitution.
 
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