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Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« on: November 26, 2012, 07:58:34 AM »
I came across a really excellent article on propane basics as they apply to RVs and written in layman's terms.   It covers all the practical aspects of propane valves, differences in fixed ASME tanks vs DOT portable cylinders, fire safety, and such without a lot of technobabble. Written by Derek Gore, aka RV Roadie, I highly recommend it to all RVers.

http://home.earthlink.net/~derekgore/rvroadiervfulltimingwhatisitreallylike/id44.html
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2012, 08:18:21 AM »
Excellent article.  It dispels some common misconceptions and reinforces much of the advice we've been giving for years.
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2012, 08:22:26 AM »
Great article. Recommend for ALL RVers.
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2012, 09:03:12 AM »
    Thanks Gary, it is a good article, and as promised it is in language that is easily understood.  It answered some questions I had as to why the different requirements between cylinders and the RV Tank.

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 09:10:24 AM »
Great find.  Addressed several of my concerns.

A quick read of the link on the left margin "Technical Articles" suggests more than 400 articles and posts he has already included or plans to include on the site.  If they are written as well, it will make a great resource for many newbies.
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 09:37:36 AM »
Great article for folks like me with no real knowledge of propane equipment.  I think this would make a nice sticky, or at least the link be included in the "article" section. 
Thanks for posting this Gary, much appreciated.

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 05:47:12 PM »
My motorhome is old a 1992.  It has an oddball connector that very few propane people have seen, so it causes me problems getting it filled.

You turn off the supply valve, then open the valve at the top then when you hook up the connection to the propane and push up a red button under the valve.  This allows it to vent and I guess expels air so it can take propane.  Wonder if I could have the valve changed or do I just live with it.

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 07:47:12 PM »
Most tank vents unscrew, but I guess yours has a red push button to open it?  I've not seen one like that, but as long as you can tell the tech who is filling the tank where/how to open the vent, it shouldn't be a problem.  The tank must have a vent open in order to pump in more liquid LPG when filling. It is venting LPG vapor, not air.

Surely you don't have to fill with LPG that often, do you?
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2013, 07:46:45 PM »
I've only filled it about 3 times, but I have 2 furnaces and a propane water heater and fridge.  A 10 gallon water heater.

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2013, 05:35:38 PM »
A very in depth, RVIA standards document http://www.bustropolis.com/files/download/RV%20LP%20tank%20information.pdf This helped me decide I did not have to stick with "black iron" gas pipe when I wanted to replace, I used copper.

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2013, 12:14:33 AM »
This newbie learned! Thank-you! :D

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2013, 01:52:57 AM »
I got the valve replaced in Florida thought I would add it here.  The shop was familiar with it and they also knew how to change it out so now I have one like the other motorhomes.  Oh happy day!

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2013, 06:15:43 AM »
Thanks, Gary.

That reminds me of a friend who wanted her house propane service to fill up her MH.  They hemmed and hawed and finally told her they weren't allowed to do that unless the MH was off the ground with no tires touching!  She used another service. Has anyone ever heard of this?
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2013, 10:26:25 AM »
Have read a lot of articles and such on Propane in Motor homes.. Usually I can find several faults with the article,

Here is the list of faults I found on the first read in this article:

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2014, 08:10:05 AM »
Great article Gary!! Thanks for the link!
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2014, 10:46:28 AM »
Maddie,

My home service filled my MH tank this year. Saved me about $3.00 a gallon, as it was simply added to the home delivery.
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2014, 02:46:07 PM »
Interesting. The author mentions running the propane refer while motoring along. I thought it was illegal for the propane refer to be on in our TT in Calif.
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2014, 04:30:44 PM »
My motorhome is old a 1992.  It has an oddball connector that very few propane people have seen, so it causes me problems getting it filled.

You turn off the supply valve, then open the valve at the top then when you hook up the connection to the propane and push up a red button under the valve.  This allows it to vent and I guess expels air so it can take propane.  Wonder if I could have the valve changed or do I just live with it.

I often hear this "Expells air so it can take on propane" thing

That is the visual overfill indicator valve,  Often called the spitter valve cause it "Spits" liquid propane which forms a dense white cloud when the tank is full.. There is no air in your tank and has not been any air in it since the first purge and fill however many years ago you bought it.

But (You did not say this) I have heard "You have to let the air out because you can't compress air so if you don't let the air out no propane can get in".. Uh,, How come I have an AIR COMPRESSOR in my basement if you can not compress air.. I mean that's elementary school physics.. But you did not post that one at least.

On most motor home tanks it is a triangular thing,, THink three letter C's around a shaft, 

On portable tanks it is a screw.


Grew up with 100 pound cylinders,  Used to have to refill one on occasion at the local propane store.  We used scales back then.  Remember that.

Good article..

Oh, and for the person who mentioned something like "He seems to advocate running firdge on road".

I did not see that, I saw him address the issue for those who do, but I did not see him recommend doing it.. Just acknowledging many (myself included) do.
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2014, 07:43:27 PM »
Excellent article.  Bookmarked it for future reference.  Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2014, 11:57:07 AM »
Hi there, I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask this question ......

I see that you can buy adaptor valves to refill 1 lb disposable propane bottles from larger refillable bottles. Does anyone have experience with these and are they considered safe?

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2014, 03:57:34 PM »
great article, I feel better about leaving my propane appliances running now. I always thought daddy was crazy to leave them on I guess I was wrong.
reply to Cymro, I have not used them I have seen them for sale and wondered about the safety aspect. I found a small 5lb (? I think) tank at the Habitat store and purchased it for my grill it has a flat bottom so it sets on the ground or picnic table very well.
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2014, 04:47:02 PM »
New to forum and learning a lot. Just ran across this one and had a question. Some where I thought I read that tanks have to be inspected/certified every so many years. Is that true and if so how often and by who? Thanks!

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2014, 05:52:11 PM »
    Hi Marty, welcome to the forum.  I'm sure those who know the exact rules will chime in, but it is only the smaller tanks that need to be refreshed every 10 years, I think it has something to do with the connection on the top of the tank, which is very different from the fill and use connections on a Motor Home.

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2014, 06:29:47 PM »
Thank you. I have done all levels of camping and traveled many ways. Even rented RV's a couple of times. Now I am aiming for full timing now that I can. Learning all I can. Thanks again.

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2014, 08:51:51 AM »
The portable DOT cylinders used on most travel trailers require periodic recertification. The ASME permanently installed tanks typically used on motorhomes do not require recertification in the US. I seem to recall that Canada does require some sort of periodic inspection for those, but I could be mistaken.
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2014, 09:06:55 AM »
DOT cylinders in Canada follow similar rules (7 years, I think) but I have yet to find a place to re-certify an already owned cylinder. All the propane suppliers around here want to sell a 'new' one (which may end up being a re-certified unit although it looks new and is completely re-painted). I do know of one  'wholesaler' that supposedly does the re-furbishing but I have not used him myself.

I don't know for sure about ASME certified tanks but I have never heard of an inspection being required here.
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2015, 05:21:32 PM »
Great article, thanks. As a newbie, I'm curious as to best way to transport a 40 lbbcylinder to use for grilling?

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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2015, 09:21:54 PM »
You already asked that question in another topic, so let's keep all the answers in one place.

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,88990.0/topicseen.html
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2015, 09:29:11 PM »
Great article Gary. Thanks for posting it.
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Re: Propane 101 - an excellent article for laymen & Rvers
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2015, 08:36:52 PM »
Sorry, another newbie here.  That's quite a bit of reading and I appreciate the article - I will read it through when I've some more time.  Quick question if it's okay to inquire here.  Is it safe to connect an extension hose to the RV tank fill valve to feed a Magellan two-head outdoor propane heater?  I'd like to use my big tank to fuel it during these cooler months while I sit outside under the awning.  I realize this is probably a silly question but some quality feedback to ease my mind about it would be appreciated.  Thanks so much!

 

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