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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2013, 10:33:11 AM »
The current Michelin tires on my '96 Adventurer were $1140 installed for 6 from Costco - and now 5 years later recently got a quote from Sam's club to replace them for $1440. An advantage of a smaller Class A with R16 tires. Costco also rotates and balances free during the life of the tires - which I have done periodically. Sam's has the same policy - plus flats repair and such free as well.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2013, 10:37:46 AM »
This may set some minds at ease maybe or maybe not but still worth reading a bit I believe.
This is suppose to be the history of Samson tires.

 http://www.placesearth.com/usa/california/los_angeles/sam_uni_cit/sam_uni_ct.shtml

Thanks.  I'm not sure this is the same manufacturer though, as they're an indigenous Chinese brand?

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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2013, 11:20:16 AM »
Interesting read but sad also. Reminds me of the Royal Enfield MC, once one of Britians finest is now made in India.

Wonder if the Chinese manufacture bought the name or just took it since the company no longer exists??
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2013, 08:25:45 PM »
Got the tires installed. 6   22.5 Tokyo m122.   2140.00 installed with dynamic beads.

Price was a bit better than quoted!
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2013, 09:44:45 PM »
And I got mine. :)  6x19.5 Samsons - $1255 fitted, balanced and out the door.

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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2013, 07:54:29 AM »
Dougie,
Now that you've had those Samsons for a month, perhaps you could enlighten us with your experience so far.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2013, 11:04:52 AM »
Update on my Toyo's- After about 2500 mi. I am in love!!!  Smooth as glass and quiet. I can't see any tire at any price being any better.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2013, 11:14:46 AM »
Dougie,
Now that you've had those Samsons for a month, perhaps you could enlighten us with your experience so far.

Do I have to? :(  I struck unlucky.  Terrible vibration problems which got steadily worse during the 800 miles I've done on them, to the point where I visited Les Schwabs in Port Angeles who spent three hours & two test drives trying to sort them out.  They removed all the tires from the rims, cleaned out the Dynabeads, and balanced them conventionally as they have the equipment.  Turns out five out the six are out-of-round.  Badly.

Schwabs don't deal with American Car Car warranties (that's what Samson use) so I visited another dealer nearby who was also very helpful but confirmed the terms of the warranty:  I buy & replace whichever tires I want to return, they fit them, and the tires are returned by them to China on a slow boat for the manufacturer to decide whether they're liable for defects in their own products.  Ho ho.  If they so No, they're returned on the next boat back the US, where I'm supposed to collect them and do with them whatsoever I wish.

We're in Spokane next week having the damaged flooring recovered, so I intend to find another ACC dealer and change the two front tires for the most expensive set of Michelins I can find. :(  We'll see how the four rears behave with a good pair on the front.  They can stick the two Samsons on the boat and if I never see them again, I'll be delighted.  I suppose there's a 10% chance I may get a refund in several months.

Hope I've not skirted round how I feel too much. :o

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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2013, 11:27:39 AM »
I'm so sorry to hear that Dougie... I hope that it works out for the best and you get your money back.

On another note, I hope that this is not part of the issue that Johnny-Chingas is having.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2013, 07:33:44 PM »
Thanks.  I'm sure there will be plenty folks who will be shaking their heads sagely, saying "Well, he got what he paid for" etc.  Apart from my expectations that the tires would be round in shape, I guess I have to agree.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2013, 07:46:54 PM »
I think there will different opinion's on this just like any other subject. I have the Samson tires on my unit now for a year and 5000, miles with "0" problem of any kind. Smooth driving and handles well, but in looking at them closely I think I would say they are wearing faster than expected but then again so what, I mean most all RV tires will age out before wear out so if mine are worn out at age out so what!
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2013, 07:51:27 PM »
I think there will different opinion's on this just like any other subject. I have the Samson tires on my unit now for a year and 5000, miles with "0" problem of any kind. Smooth driving and handles well...

The issue for me here though is that my RV rides like a frigging tractor on a field now.  I expected the tires would wear more quickly than higher-priced ones so I've no issue with that.  I'm glad your Samsons provide you with smooth driving.  That's what I expected with mine, but haven't got.

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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2013, 10:00:33 PM »
What you experienced speaks volumes about dealing with China-based companies. There may as well be no warranty at all with those terms & conditions. Mediocre quality control and no real warranty makes buying those tires a crap shoot.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2013, 10:02:02 PM »
Can't say I had any better luck with Goodyear.

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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2013, 10:21:44 PM »
The warranty issue is a real one for sure. My Samson's came from Camping World and I have it in writing that they warranty these tires on my unit anyway, a little bit better than the slow boat to and from China.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2013, 09:34:43 PM »
It has been my observation with cars and SUVs that Michelin tires are worth the money if you put a lot of miles on them.   If you don’t think you are going to put more than 5K to 8K miles a year on the rig than the lesser priced tires are fine.  Michelins wear well and hold up well over the long haul.  That is what you are paying for.  As for ride and traction there are lots of tires that will match or even exceed Michelins but may not last as long.  When you change out tires every 7 to 10 years you want to get your money’s worth out of the tread.   I figure that big truck tires are the same in this respect.   I my RV came with Michelins.  4 are five years old and two are only a year old.  When the time comes I most likely will not get Michelins just because I don’t put the miles on them to get my money’s worth.
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This is what I've found to be true.  We get 200,000+ miles on Michelin XZA 3+ steers, and over 400.000 on drive tires.  But for an RV I think the Samson at that price will be a great deal.  I've seen them on the steers of some rigs after about 50,000 miles doing well, and I don't personally think I'll do 50,000 miles in 7 years in my MH. 
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2013, 09:48:19 PM »
With the proviso of course that you get round ones....

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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2013, 10:12:50 PM »
You may indeed have out of round tires. But you need to be sure they are mounted correctly, as incorrectly will show up as a tire out of round.
I don't know if this service is available any more, but you use to be able to have your tires shaved to be perfectly round. Recap tire outfits use to do it, and truck tires are still routinely recapped and retreaded, check out a tire truck stop for info.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2013, 11:05:57 PM »
This is a long subject (thread).  Is it just me or are others getting "tired" of it? ::)
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« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2013, 11:13:51 PM »
Get an early night Tom  ;)
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2013, 11:15:18 PM »
Some tire shops, especially the truck tire shops, can sometimes deal with an out-of-round tire.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #51 on: May 27, 2013, 11:55:56 PM »
Unlike my Samsons, it may run and run.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2013, 04:26:33 PM »
I've tried several tire dealers in & around WA & ID but haven't found anyone who trues (shaves) tires.

Help?  :o
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2013, 04:32:40 PM »
I just had my Toyo's remounted and balanced, Josam said I had runout probably due to mounting, It may be worth a try Dougie.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2013, 06:42:08 PM »
OK - cancel the shaving/truing route.  I've spoken face-to-face with a sympathetic ACCC dealer here in Spokane who is saying - subject to his agreeing the Samsons are faulty - he will remove & replace them with tires of my choice, and have them returned to the distributor under the warranty, so that I will only pay the difference for the new tires.

Like it should be.

I'll take the coach in next week after the flooring refurb by which time he should've called me to confirm he's made the arrangements.  I live in hope.

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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #55 on: May 28, 2013, 08:51:11 PM »
I've tried several tire dealers in & around WA & ID but haven't found anyone who trues (shaves) tires.

Help?  :o

Kaiser Brake & Alignment in Eugene, Or. does.

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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2013, 11:13:16 AM »
Hope they agree on the diagnosis and do the right thing, Dougie!
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2013, 11:20:15 AM »
Me too Gary. He sells Kumhos which I know you rate, so if he can get six by next week and all goes to plan, I'll be fixed up.
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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2013, 01:14:09 AM »
The ACCC dealer (above) called yesterday to say that the distributor (ATD who he and the Oregon supplier use) would not agree to take them back.  As I have had more than enough of this, I've negotiated a trade-in deal with the manager of a Les Schwab branch who is giving me $100 allowance on each tire against 6 new Double Coins at $292.  They are - needless to say - guaranteed for everything except road damage: I get free rotation/rebalancing/puncture repairs and I know I'm in good hands.  This time. :(  I simply can't afford 6 Michelins, and in any case, we only do around 3k-4k miles each year.

I've lived and learnt a thing or three out of this - a combination of bad luck (5/6 tires out of round) and bad decisions.  American Tire Distributors suck.

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Re: Quote on new tires
« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2013, 05:01:13 AM »
I'm trying to understand this.....you're getting rid of your chinese samson tires in trade for chinese double coin tires. Hope this works out for you..really. I read where double coin has an agreement with michelin to make some of their tires, also some of the Toyo tires are made in china also with good results. Like I said I hope it works out..let us know either way.
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