New Class C under 25 ft....any opinions ??

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Safari Trek had 24' Class A's that if found in good shape these days would make an excellent Class A MH.

http://www.rvtrader.com/listing/1995-Safari-Trek-110273535

This one has bunk beds, but the one I almost bought in '95 had no bedroom at all. A queen sized bed dropped down from the overhead in the living room and disappeared during the day. Set up was just the push of a button. I almost bought one but felt they were very much over priced at the time - compared to Winnebago and Fleetwood models.

By doing the bed that way, the rest of the living area was as large as a much longer RV. That is why low mileage used are still holding their price so well.
 
I've been looking at Class A's on RV Trader all afternoon...probably looked at the specs on 20 or more but most are too far away to consider....we live near Beaufort, SC.

I just saw one that evoked a couple questions....it's a Tiffin Allegro 30 ft gas unit here;

http://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2004-TIFFN-ALLEGRO-30FT---2-SLIDES---1-OWNER---ONLY-32000-MILES-110259924

They say Workhorse chassis with 8.1 liter engine and Allison transmission...is that a good setup? I think that's the Chevy chassis. Can I pull a "toad' with that? We have a nice little 2005 Acura TSX, front wheel drive that weighs about 3200 GVW.  it's not close but I can drive there in about 5 hours. Nada does not list a Tiffin so how do I get an ideal of current value

Thanks, Jim
 
I forgot to ask about the ONAN 7000 watt generator on the Tiffin rig...how much power is that ....does it use gasoline or propane? and how much does it burn per hour ?

Jim
 
The 30 foot Allegro is a nice unit. You will find it a bit small. I live full time with three cats in a 32 footer and it is small for me, especially the kitchen. I have no counter space.

When you look up the value for a Tiffin Allegro in NADA you look under Allegro. Here is the value on the one you are looking at. They are asking high NADA and would probably settle for low NADA.

http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/2004/Allegro/M-30DA-WRKHRS/3036803/Values

The generator has more than enough power to do anything you want except weld 1/4 inch steel plates. It would use gasoline at the rate of about a half a gallon an hour.

Most important thing is to test drive at least a half a dozen or so RVs of different sizes so you can get a feeling for driving a big rig. It is not a problem, they are easy to drive.

Just about any engine/tranny/chassis combination you find for sale will be a good combination. There are not a lot of poorly built RVs out there. There are some that were poorly maintained, so pay attention to maintenance records if possible.

Try looking at the ads on Craigslist. That is where I have had the best luck.
 
A good friend of mine bought a 2001 Allegro, a couple years ago. He really likes the coach. He pulls a 26ft enclosed car trailer with it. Not sure if he has the 7.4 or the 8.1 engine. I have a 30 ft. Challenger with the 7.4 engine and pull a 18 ft. trailer with a race car and a golf cart. Don't have any problems with it. We have a couple steep grades on the way to the track but no mountains. So can't comment on how it would do in those situations. That coach looks like the exterior is still in good shape, but pics are hard to judge by. It may very well worth your drive to check it out if it's what you like. That dealer has some wiggle room in his price, so don't be afraid to make YOUR offer if it's THE one. I've had class Cs before and would never go back. Drive both before you make your decision. To me class As are easier to drive, and I can turn my 30 fter around where I couldn't my class C.
 
I agree with Bob. Our first was a C, 31 ft, about 3 years old, and while it was a great coach we found with two adults and 3 dogs it was too small. Plus, every bump in the road or turn produced squeaks and croaks. So we traded to a 35' A and got more than our money's worth out of the C ( yes, I know the games the dealers play, but it was still a good deal).
The A is easier, smoother, quieter to drive and so much more room. Drive an A before you buy a C and see what you think. I don't regret at all the path we took, as others have said, your first one is a 'practice' one.
 
I sure do appreciate all the advice I am getting.....hope you will keep it up!

I found this Class A nearby which is rare so I am going to try to see it next week.

http://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2009-Winnebago-Vista-26p-107184343

Looks like they have it listed for about average retail maybe a bit under.It's a gas coach and not as long as many of you recommend but I am favoring a smaller Class A. If you look at the ad you will see that he is including a "10,000 Blue Ox tow bar with brake buddy"....I don't even know what that is so don't know what it's worth. i assume it  might be for towing a "toad" .....please give me your thoughts on this one

Thanks, Jim
 
discus277 said:
If you look at the ad you will see that he is including a "10,000 Blue Ox tow bar with brake buddy"....I don't even know what that is so don't know what it's worth. i assume it  might be for towing a "toad" .....please give me your thoughts on this one

http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/towing/braking-system/hopkins/brake-buddy/brake-buddy.htm?source=google&gclid=CJzald2ujrcCFSiCQgodSj0AOQ

http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Ox-BX7460P-Allure-Pintle/dp/B006DS4PEA

    The towbar (you can see it attached to the rear of the rig) is to pull the toad, and the brake buddy is to assist the MH brakes in stopping the toad by applying the toad brakes whenever the rig brakes are applied. The allure is rated at 10,000lbs so assume that's the one included.

My criteria the last time I purchased a used rig was that it had to have a slide and a leveling system. After about 10 years of placing various wood under my wheels whenever the site wasn't level enough to keep my frig safe, I decided that just pushing a button to get level was worth the extra cost. So that would exclude this one for me - especially at that price. There are a number of topics that discuss the need to have a degree of level to protect the frig and also just to be comfortable that you may want to search.

BTW, you will notice in one of the pics the captains chairs turned up front for living room use when parked. That is another of the big advantages of an A over a C. When parked, the space forward of the living room furniture is lost on a C, whereas with the A, it then becomes usable space. Especially nice with a shorter rig like this with only a couch and chair otherwise.

And then the windshield becomes a picture window when parked vs. the C. I used to hate having to bend over whenever I wanted to look out of the front windows in my C. I always try to park so I have the best view forward. For example, HERE I am parked in Laughlin, NV with a view of the Casino and mountains. Have also attached here pics of the view from my Class C vs. a view from my A while parked on the Quartzsite, AZ desert. They speak for themselves as to view and room in a C vs. A.

And for little annoyances of my C. All of the 110 outlets were under the overhead cabinets vs. in the wall on an A. That meant a series of cords hanging down vs. not seen in the A.
 

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discus277 said:
I sure do appreciate all the advice I am getting.....hope you will keep it up!

I found this Class A nearby which is rare so I am going to try to see it next week.

http://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2009-Winnebago-Vista-26p-107184343

..please give me your thoughts on this one

Thanks, Jim


That's very similar to our 2004 Winnebago Sightseer, same floorplan except we have the dinette instead of the sofa. Two of us and a 90# labrador retriver live and travel in ours 7-8 months a year and have put 75,000 miles on it. We love it. It can go places that larger motorhomes can't get into.


Wendy
 
Thanks for the advice on hydraulic/automatic leveling ...I would not have thought about the importance of it.....also the info about  Blue Ox ..

..however, regarding leveling, the 2009 Winnie ad says it has "AUTO LEVELING JACKSS"....does that not mean automatic leveling? Where do I find out about the various leveling systems?

I will keep looking

Jim
 
It does say that it has leveling jacks. We don't have leveling jacks on our Winnebago and while we're very good at leveling with legos and wood, it would be nice to have push button leveling.
 
The narrative reads that it has jacks whereas the specs listed below reads "no" as to jacks. However, the first pic of the rig appears to have jacks down. But best check that out for sure . . .
 
One thing to consider is the difference between the storage between the 2 coachs you provided links for. The Allegro has a lot more storage. The real short coachs don't really have much storage. Leveling jacks are a must for me, too. I wouldn't buy another coach without them.
 
Found this on craigslist near my home

http://hiltonhead.craigslist.org/rvs/3739342939.html

I spent some time looking at an Airstream forum and these Land Yachts seem to be well loved ....I did see some concerns about inadequate storage...especially for a 30 footer with slide...also some problems with leaking airbags

Opinions?

Jim
 
discus277 said:
More good advice which I appreciate!

I have almost concluded already that 24 feet may be too short. We have decided that we must have a queen bed that you can at least slide around sideways (if not really walk around) ...the corner Queen seems OK but still one person has to climb over the other which will get old.....and the slide in the living area has become a must. To get those two "musts" in a Coachmen Freelander you have to go to the 29QB model in a new one which is 31 feet......Hmmmm "top heavy on turns" too

So, if I go to a 31 foot Class C, as Bob B says, does it make more sense to go to a Class A....I guess I will expand my thinking again....it seems that many Class C owners eventually migrate to Class A..

If any Class A owners or want to be owners have some thoughts on Class A please let me hear from you......trade offs from say a 31 foot Class C?
Minimum size Class A to consider? Should it be a DP if we go Class A?

Thanks again for your opinions,

Jim
My wife and I recently went through the same process that you are going through. We started out wanting a Class C, under 26' and were bound and determined to find one. We must have looked at 20-30 of of them (over 3 months). Each one was a major compromise and we finally realized that we need to at least broaden our research.

We started exploring Class A's and found that a 29' Class A had about the same over-all space as a 33' Class C.

My wife (70-years-old) was very intimidated by the 33' Class A, that had everything that we wanted, with no compromises. We bought the 33' Class A in February and I started out having my wife drive for about 1 hour on each trip. On our last trip, she insisted on driving all the way home (~150 miles). She is having fun driving it.

This weekend we parked in a number of parking lots (Camping World, Home Depot and Coco's Restaurant. We had no parking issues other that we need 2 spaces (one in front of the other). We've found the 33' Class A to be a perfect size for us.

Thankfully a little research on the mechanical issues on this rig that we chose offered a negotiating tool for a price reduction. I think that we have found a great rig that I can avoid the typical mechanical issues for that particular engine. I found that the retrofit can be done for under $2K. Much less than what we saved by buying this coach.

That's another good thing about buying a coach that is 5+ years-old. By that time, the mechanical issues are widely discussed and work arounds have been discovered. When one buys a new coach, they are (sort of) financially protected for the term of the warranty but nothing can replace the stress and inconvenience of having issues on the road. However, by the time the owner is ready to sell, all of the mechanical issues are widely known and often those issues are either a distraction to a potential buyer of the owner will have to make the retrofit before selling.

The moral is, buying used can offer some benefits if you research the vehicle in question before the purchase. Chances are, the seller is well aware of many potential issues and are hoping to find a buyer that is not aware. By making the seller understand that you are aware of the cost of dealing with certain issues (they all have some), you become a much stronger negotiator.

In our case, I was able to negotiate down several thousand dollars (~$10K). However, the purchase price does not reflect the final price on buying a used rig. In the last 3 months, we have spent over $3K in correcting known issues and we still have another $3K to go before we are (~sorta) finished..... (You're really never "finished".) The nice thing is, we will have a rig at fair market value with all of the important items "Brand new" (tires, batteries, awnings, all maintenance items, fluids belts, hoses etc). When we are finished, I feel as confident (if not more so) as if we had a new rig. Most of the items that we replaced are of higher quality than the rig came with new.
 
discus277 said:
Found this on craigslist near my home

http://hiltonhead.craigslist.org/rvs/3739342939.html

A few concerns, Jim.

    A rule in photography is to never take a group picture w/the camera anywhere but dead center - otherwise you will get distortion. So maybe that's the case. My Class C had a long overhang and caused me to have to be very careful not to wipe out a gas pump in several stations.

Also, I have never liked the slopping front ends. Perhaps better dynamically in the wind, but consider what you can reach from a step ladder directly in front of the windshield. Mine slopes a bit, and am always envious when I see a neighbor clean her MH windshield top to bottom from a step ladder without a long handled squeegee.

And the location of the shower stall alone would be deal breaker for me. Would have been nice to see a photo of the complete bath layout. Perhaps omitted on purpose. My current 34" rig has the complete bath behind a real door. I hate walk through bathrooms. If someone is using any portion of it, there is no passage to and from the bedroom area by anyone else (well, perhaps on occasion  :)  ). The number one criteria with me is that at least the john "must" be behind a real closed door.

Aside from that, I love the colors . . .
 
discus277 said:
Found this on craigslist near my home

http://hiltonhead.craigslist.org/rvs/3739342939.html
That looks like a very impressive RV to me. I agree with Bob about disliking sloping front ends, but it would not be a deal breaker for me. On the other hand I much prefer a walk though bathroom. But if I was going to be spending that kind of money on a used RV I would be looking for a Beaver.

http://rvs.oodle.com/detail/2001-beaver-monterey/3259514321-rockwell-nc/?cm_mmc=OODLE_PREVIEW-_-www-_-NA-_-NA
 
Well, so far out of the links you have posted, the Allegro is my choice by far.  But it's not for me. I'd be questioning why so much has been spent on that coach. I too wouldn't want a sloped nose, too hard to clean the front unless you go to the roof and lean over. It's good you're looking at many different kinds of coachs and get opinions on them. But you need to look at these coachs in person, to see what YOU really want. Then you can really see the condition, pics makes them look better than they are sometimes. You can NEVER have too much storage space. You might think you don't need it now. That's what I thought too, but I have mine loaded up now.
 
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