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Walmarts
« on: July 16, 2013, 12:19:47 AM »
So to stay overnight at wallmarts do you need to sighn up with someone? is there a list? and is it more then a night like 2 nights 3 nights?  please give me all the details.

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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 01:02:56 AM »
Walmart stops are for overnight stops. You should park as far out of the way as possible and then go find the store manager and ask permission.

Things you should not do:

Put out awning, chairs, BBQ Grill, Pool, Plants, Dog Run, Rugs...  This is not a campground but a quick overnight stop for rest and supplies.

Avoid putting down your leveling jacks, It may damage the lot and cause them to stop allowing overnighters.

Do not dump your tanks on the lot!


I think I covered most of it, If I missed anything major I'm sure someone will chime in.

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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 06:26:32 AM »
Not all Walmarts can allow overnight stays, so always verify that it is OK using a reliable source. The Customer Service desk is the place to inquire - they can get the duty manager if needed to give a definitive answer.  I use overnightrvparking.com, which is a subscription service that maintains current status info on over 10,000 free overnight parking locations, to determine in advance whether overnight stays are permitted. There are also some smart phone apps and other sources that may be up to date and reliable as well.

The basic "rule" is that you are a non-paying guest taking advantage of somebody else's hospitality, so don't abuse your host's good will. Don't overstay your welcome, don't make a mess of the place, and stay out of the way of the normal business at the store. And it's a nice gesture to spend some money with them if you can.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2013, 07:08:12 AM »
What Gary Said... I have been to ONE, exactly ONE wal-mart that did not alow overnighting by the store's choice, this was a "Neighborhood" Wall-Mart, these are smaller stores, small lot, not open 24 hours,   I parked nearby.

I have been to several cities and one state that do not allow overnight parking at Wal-mart, or Truck Stops or anywhere other than a licensed campground.

This is, however, NOT the policy of the store, it is the law of the land upon which the store was built.   If you encounter this do NOT blame the store.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2013, 07:39:34 AM »
What Gary Said... I have been to ONE, exactly ONE wal-mart that did not alow overnighting by the store's choice, this was a "Neighborhood" Wall-Mart, these are smaller stores, small lot, not open 24 hours,   I parked nearby.

I have been to several cities and one state that do not allow overnight parking at Wal-mart, or Truck Stops or anywhere other than a licensed campground.

This is, however, NOT the policy of the store, it is the law of the land upon which the store was built.   If you encounter this do NOT blame the store.

To echo this, those stores which DO NOT permit overnight parking typically are complying with local municipal ordinances prohibiting overnight parking on city streets or parking lots. These ordinances from those I have read are long standing ones, put in place to deal with "gypsies", vagabonds, homeless, and other unwanted transients...some of these go clear back to the days of the Great Depression! 
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 07:42:44 AM »
My experiences have been that when a Wal*Mart (usually through no fault of their own) cannot allow overnights, they will have the lot posted so that you know when you first pull in.  I also select 24 hr stores as the limited security is all night and the lighting is also.  I try to select a spot on the edges of the lot so I am not taking a spot that a shopper might want.  In other words, be considerate and the permission should continue.  We do our shopping while we are there and make sure that we save purchases for the store where we are stopping overnight.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2013, 08:36:28 AM »
 "These ordinances from those I have read are long standing ones, put in place to deal with "gypsies", vagabonds, homeless, and other unwanted transients" -- kinda like us!   ;D

I have an app on my phone called "ALLSTAYS" listing campgrounds, dump stations, fuel stations, service centers, just about everything.  It uses your current location.  It also lists Wal Mart stores and whether or not they usually allow overnight parking.  But, always ask regardless of what the app says.  And, always try to buy something.  But like someone else pointed out -- you're parking there for a quick rest enroute to somewhere else, not camping there. 

The app is $6 or $7, but well worth it.  You can tap on the campground and go directly to their website, call them with just a tap, read reviews, everything.  Best money I spent on an app so far.  Used it several times to both pick a camping site, and reject some!

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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 09:38:37 AM »
x2 on Allstays!

On the OP's original question, in theory, it is suggested you contact the manager for permission.  In my practice, every time I have stayed at a Walmart, I have arrived late (after 10 pm) and there were already at least one RV there.  In that situation, I haven't taken the trouble to go in to ask the manager. I will have also verified via Allstays that the WM allows overnight parking.  If I were the first to arrive I would probably ask the manager.  And I usually try to make a purchase at the store, some supply that I know I will use.

Finally, I would NEVER stay at the same WM for more than one night.  That's what campgrounds are for.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 11:15:40 AM »
I have been to several cities and one state that do not allow overnight parking at Wal-mart, or Truck Stops or anywhere other than a licensed campground.

Which state would that be, John?
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 02:13:31 PM »


On a recent trip I stayed at some WM's on the way there, (1100 mile trip,) and the way back.  I spent at least $100 at each stay, be it gas, supplies, or both.  My maximum stay was for about 14 hours, I stopped there due to a blinding rain storm during rush hour in Knoxville, TN.  After the rain let up, I did my shopping, and discovered their gas was only $2.98 so I filled up both the MH & the toad, then left after the morning rush hour.

I don't put out my slide, or jacks, just shop, eat, sleep, and go.  The reason I usually stop at places like that is for a short break to make me a safer driver, not camping.   In my younger days, I'd driver straight through, it would usually take me about 17 hours to run an 1100 mile trip.  In the MH it takes me about 3 days.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2013, 06:04:14 PM »
    We have even found Walmarts in Northern Ontario that had signs posted saying "please feel free to overnight your RV here".

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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2013, 01:22:41 AM »
We stop at Wally Worlds while on the go and spend a short night there that usually costs us $50-$100 as WinAdventurer.


We are in our last home town before retirement 8 years ago. When we left there were two WMTs, in Mt Vernon 15 miles north and Marysville 8 miles south that used to allow RV parking. Both of those have now posted No Overnight signs.


Walmart built a new Supercenter 2 miles from our last home. It is set back from the street, neatly landscaped, and very convenient to everyone in the Arlington area. I hiked through the parking lot on my morning walks for a week and after five days of seeing the same derelict RVs parked in the same spots I took photos to have for the next WMT discussion like this.


If we still lived here I would ask Wal-Mart to prohibit these vagrants from living on our streets and if nothing happened would support a local ordinance to insure that it did. A 24 hour limit would probably work but I don't blame WMT for not wanting to run a meter service.


A couple of newer RVs spent the night here last week and I noticed they parked as far from these permanent residents as possible. When we no longer have the option of stopping at WMT we will have these folks to blame.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2013, 07:40:41 AM »
As an RV traveler who occasionally needs an overnight spot, and a property owner where RVs overnight, I can say without any hesitation that I support all regulations banning free overnight rv parking on private property. Damage to asphalt from rv jacks and fluids leaking from rv and truck motors onto the ground, inconvenience to our tenants (who pay for the lot use), threats, and illegal behavior are just some of the blessings that come from overnighters. 99% of all those traveling in rvs are, IMO, outstanding people. I think the rest congregate in parking lots.

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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2013, 08:39:36 AM »
Maybe I'm one of the bad guys. We use a Walmart or Sam's Club occasionally, typically a couple times a year when in need of a simple overnight spot, enroute to some destination. We put the slides out as needed to make room inside, at least the bed slide and one of the lounge slides, and we may put some jacks down if necessary to get halfway level. Since we typically stop by late afternoon and start out around 10:30 a.m., we are usually in their lot for about 18 hours. We do, however, park as much out of the way as possible, both as a matter of politeness to other customers and less aggravation for ourselves, and generally try to be an unobtrusive guest. And rarely do we stop without spending money with one or more of the stores & restaurant surrounding the parking area.

Spending time in a parking lot can give some odd insights into our fellow citizens. We do see a few RVers who are abusive guests, but we OFTEN also see strange rendevous between 2-3 cars and trucks doing lord-only-knows-what, police cars meeting up with other police or private vehicles, lover's trysts, wandering pedestrians at all hours of the night, and single cars that park for 20-30 minutes and then move on, never once exiting the vehicle. It's little wonder more and more parking areas have employed 24 hour security patrols.  We have begun to think that stores with 24 hour security are to be avoided, since we aren't very comfortable overnighting where that level of protection is needed.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2013, 02:52:14 PM »
Remember: "No Truck Parking" is not the same as "No Overnight Parking".
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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2013, 03:11:51 PM »
I agree that property owners have the right to ban overnight parking. But almost all Walmarts that have 'no overnight parking' signs did not place those signs, the city did. Most of us who overnight at Walmart (and other store parking lots) follow the rules and also spend plenty if money in the stores.

Maybe it's the pictures, Jeff, but those RVs look old but not derelict. Which doesn't excuse them overstaying.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2013, 04:18:22 PM »
As an RV traveler who occasionally needs an overnight spot, and a property owner where RVs overnight, I can say without any hesitation that I support all regulations banning free overnight rv parking on private property.

OD, as a property owner it is your right to limit the use of the property, so if you wish to purchase "No overnight RV parking" signs, and invite the police in to ticket (They can not come in without your invitation, in fact your request) That is how it is.

I have never left "Jack marks" in a Wal-Mart lot. or a Flying J lot.

I have seen one campground with a major "Jack Mark" problem (not from my RV, but this is the topic of another thread).
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2013, 07:46:55 PM »
Dogs and Walmart very touchy subjects. 

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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2013, 08:11:19 PM »
At the risk of becoming a lightning rod, we've never found the need to camp or overnight in a WalMart parking lot. Occasionally my driver will say "I'm ready to pull over and there's a WalMart right there". My response is usually "This is an unknown (to us) location in an unknown (to us) town. If you're tired, I'll drive to the next campground &/or next town."


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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2013, 08:37:13 PM »
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OD, as a property owner it is your right to limit the use of the property, so if you wish to purchase "No overnight RV parking" signs, and invite the police in to ticket (They can not come in without your invitation, in fact your request) That is how it is.

Shoot, police are on speed dial on our phones and our tentant's, and they do come quickly when called, and sometimes the drug folks and child protective services with them. But signs do not work well - we have had fence gates torn down by people wanting to park their rvs. Sorry, this is probably the wrong place for me to vent. The kind of rv drivers that frequent these forums are unlikely to be the type to damage property or act as crime magnets. Those that do are more likely to be squatters or stealth parkers. Unfortunately, there are enough of them that it is easy to lump all rvs into the same category. It is easy for me to see why property owners support county/city regulations that limit overnight parking. Wal-Mart probably gets enough business from parkers, and their lots are large enough, that any issues are worth dealing with.

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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2013, 11:54:06 PM »
Wen I'm out with the RV I typically find a RV park or a campground. I'm not the type to camp out in a store parking lot WalMart or other wise. After living 24 years in the forest of Idaho the last place I would ever consider for camping is a large city in store parking lot. I don't consider it safe nor right. I'd rather drive the extra 10-20 miles to the city limits to camp out in the desert or forest much safer.
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Re: Wall-marts
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2013, 10:01:55 PM »
Maybe it's the pictures, Jeff, but those RVs look old but not derelict. Which doesn't excuse them overstaying.


Wendy:


Check photo #1 for the missing compartment doors and rust. If you look carefully at photo #2 you can see the green paint on the right side that looked hand painted. They evidently ran out of paint because the drivers's side was left faded gold. The only thing that didn't look faded on#3 were the patches. None looked like they had been washed or waxed in years.


These weren't just old, they were worn out.
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2013, 11:25:00 PM »
Maybe I should have looked at them on my computer instead of my phone ? :)
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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2013, 11:05:55 PM »
Late to this discussion, but here's my 2 cents.  On the topic of damage to pavement:  I carry two 2' pieces of 3" x 8" timber to place under the jacks and a couple 18" pieces of 2 x 6 that are used under the stabilizers.

When traveling through North Dakota late in the afternoon we found there were no campgrounds for a long, long way from where we were, so stayed at a Wal*Mart.  We talked to the manager, bought supplies from the store, stayed one night.  Good experience.  We do prefer to stay at RV campgrounds though.  It just seems a little more secure than parking in a high-traffic area.

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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2013, 03:25:50 AM »
A Santa Fe newspaper just published an article about overnighting at Walmart.  Thought you would be interested.

http://www.sfreporter.com/santafe/article-7814-walmartians.html

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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2013, 06:13:16 PM »
Cool, we have a name, Walmartians. Who knew?
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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2013, 08:24:32 PM »
Cool, we have a name, Walmartians. Who knew?

Not sure you want that name as it is also applied to  the customers who dress oddly, obscenely and generally in very bad taste.  Do a google search or a search of Youtube and you will see examples.    Sad to think of people who dress and act that way.
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« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2013, 08:28:41 PM »
Not sure you want that name as it is also applied to  the customers who dress oddly, obscenely and generally in very bad taste.  Do a google search or a search of Youtube and you will see examples.    Sad to think of people who dress and act that way.


Actually, I don't need to google it, I've seen the icky images. And even know one of the "ladies" who has been pictured. I guess we need a better name for the Walmart RV boondockersl



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« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2013, 08:51:04 PM »
The WB s?

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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2013, 05:55:51 AM »
Don't know if they're still around, but there used to be a club/group/list called 'WalMart Bound'; Their members were easily recognizable walking around the store wearing large badges with their club name.
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« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2013, 10:45:03 AM »
The thing I found amazing about that article was that when they mentioned the laws and ordiances restricting overnight parking at Wall Marts the article sounded a bit critical of the campground owner's assoications that push for them...

Like it was a bad thing. (As it happens.. I feel those laws are, indeed, a bad thing.
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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2014, 01:01:20 PM »

Do not dump your tanks on the lot!


I think I covered most of it, If I missed anything major I'm sure someone will chime in.

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« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2014, 02:16:16 PM »
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This is not a joke.  I once observed someone doing exactly that.  Could not believe my eyes!  He knew exactly what he was doing and that it was wrong because he was gone immediately thereafter.

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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2014, 04:14:54 PM »
So the municipalities put out laws that there will be no overnight parking.  It is called quality of life.



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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2014, 04:04:11 PM »
Thanks Jeff.  Your pictures make me proud of the 21 year old motor home  we just bought.  Mine would be a upgrade to your neighborhood :).  Thanks Don in KY
We stop at Wally Worlds while on the go and spend a short night there that usually costs us $50-$100 as WinAdventurer.


We are in our last home town before retirement 8 years ago. When we left there were two WMTs, in Mt Vernon 15 miles north and Marysville 8 miles south that used to allow RV parking. Both of those have now posted No Overnight signs.


Walmart built a new Supercenter 2 miles from our last home. It is set back from the street, neatly landscaped, and very convenient to everyone in the Arlington area. I hiked through the parking lot on my morning walks for a week and after five days of seeing the same derelict RVs parked in the same spots I took photos to have for the next WMT discussion like this.


If we still lived here I would ask Wal-Mart to prohibit these vagrants from living on our streets and if nothing happened would support a local ordinance to insure that it did. A 24 hour limit would probably work but I don't blame WMT for not wanting to run a meter service.


A couple of newer RVs spent the night here last week and I noticed they parked as far from these permanent residents as possible. When we no longer have the option of stopping at WMT we will have these folks to blame.

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« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2014, 07:35:49 PM »
It's not Walmart but, We have spent many a night at Home depot and /or Lowe's.
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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2014, 01:30:59 PM »
I boondock frequently up here in the north east and many of the ski slopes in the off season, allow overnight parking. the usual stuff applies regarding proper behavior, call first, no dumping, etc. we also have a light meal in their restaurant to 'pay back' for their kind services. And the best part is that we get to hike these beautiful mountains!!  Last weekend we did Mt Sunapee. Was a wonderful experience.
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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2014, 04:44:09 PM »
Mike I would imagine that all the leaves have pretty much fallen by now. I'm from Rochester area, and half the leaves are gone and the rest should fall with the upcoming rain and wind storm for tomorrow
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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2014, 04:58:05 PM »
Thirty years ago, when I use to take my folks small toyota dolphin motorhome on scuba diving trips down to Santa Cruz, I would simply drive through the neighborhoods at around 10pm at night until I found a quiet dark set of homes and just park curbside, then quietly and using my flashlight, jump into bed and go to sleep. I had my alarm clock set at 5am and with a couple of minutes of waking up I was back on the road. I was very covert, sneaky, and quiet. Nobody ever bothered me and I left nothing behind. 

Lately I have read some articles about the homeless and that some mental health workers are encouraging some people with mental health problems to live in a small rv. I think the problem there is 1) not covert, but simply happy to park in a spot until run off, 2) many of them dump right on the main streets (as reported), 3) and some making drugs in their rvs (as reported). None of this bodes well as cities are encouraged by homeowners and business owners to restrict RVs to respond to those behaviors.

Yet, it seems that being very inconspicuous, getting heads up permission, not treating the spot as a campground, and staying in RVs that are well maintained, don't look that old, and don't look broken helps to avoid some of the attention that shorter, older, and poorly maintained units get that the homeless favored and get attention from the locals and the police.

So, don't look or behave like you need a visit from the police is another thought. I kind of doubt this applies to any member.  :)

Maybe a letter of appreciation to your local Walmart after your stay with receipts of your purchases would be another way to keep the WM management constantly happy letting RVers stay. 
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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2014, 05:02:25 PM »
I can't help it...dyslexia, I suppose, but I keep reading that as MalWarts.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2014, 05:19:18 PM »
The article stated that "the (Walmart) policy has upset RV parks," which is understandable to some extent from the point of view of an RV park. Also "Walmart values RV travelers and considers them among our best customers," so Walmart knows RVers spend their money there.

I thought the article was reasonably fair and well-balanced.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2014, 06:25:22 PM »
My understanding that the city of Pigeon Forge, TN has an ordinance against parking at local businesses. This ordinance was passed due to pressure from local campgrounds. These people have to make a living and with all the campgrounds in that area I see no reason to park at a Walmart. I always ask before I park at a Walmart and was told no only one time and that was because the parking lot was leased and the parking lot owner did not allow MH parking over night. In Canada Fred Myers and Canadian Tire allows over night parking. Some Fred Myers have dump stations and fresh water. Some Fred Myers have a "Green Curb" area for MH. I did see the Fred Myers in Soldotna, AK marking tires and asking people to leave after two nights.  I parked one night and that was because I could not get in the local CG until the next day. In over 20 years of camping I average parking at Walmart once or twice a year and I always spend more money at Walmart than I would have spent at a campground.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2014, 06:55:14 PM »
In many cities and counties and Perhaps even some states the Campground Owner's Assoication has convinced the government that RV's parking overnight anywhere other than a Licensed Campground is somehow dangerous and have gotten them to ban "Wal-Docking"

My recommendation is to avoid those juristictions, take your tourist dollars elsewhere. and figure out how to let 'em know why you are not spending money there and improving their economy.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2014, 08:01:17 PM »
A number of my neighbors are RVers, and we all know who's rig belongs to who. Local ordinances limit how long an RV can stay in the street, and don't allow RVs in side yards that result in more than 20% of the RV being visible. It's a long story, but we all park our RVs at offsite storage locations, and we all know if a relative or friend of a neighbor RVer is staying overnight.

If I saw any size RV parked in our street that didn't 'belong', I'd call the Sheriff and they'd be moved on. Arriving late or leaving early wouldn't avoid detection.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2014, 11:39:16 AM »
So the municipalities put out laws that there will be no overnight parking.  It is called quality of life.

If you are just staying the night, I do not see Tourist Dollars......

Improving the economy is a stretch. Moving on is improving my quality of life...

I am talking about the original pictures this post started with. if anyone thinks they are improving the economy, or adding to the good and welfare of the community, they are just kidding themselves.....

I agree with Tom....RV's in yards become boats, school buses, lawn Maintenance trucks, food trucks, you get the picture.  I am sure you can find some community in this vast country that has no laws against parking in the street, so keep looking....
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« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2014, 11:52:54 AM »
Clark County, Nevada (Las Vegas) has No Overnight Parking Ordinances throughout the valley which I wholeheartedly support. We also have strict ordinances concerning vehicles parked in the street. In my neighborhood we have no HOA, but we live in the last remaining rural preservation district, and you see a lot of motor homes parked next to houses. Rarely are these coaches used as living quarters except for short term guest quarters as we also have strict ordinances regarding living in a motor home. Some folks skirt the ordinances but they get caught sooner or later, in Las Vegas the tow companies love to tow vehicles, and our zoning enforcement officials are always on the look out for scofflaws. 

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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2014, 01:22:41 PM »
In my neighborhood we have no HOA, but we live in the last remaining rural preservation district, and you see a lot of motor homes parked next to houses. 

OK, I give up. What's HOA?
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« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2014, 01:38:07 PM »
OK, I give up. What's HOA?

Home Owner's Association=HOA
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« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2014, 11:05:37 PM »
...and some people are the right types to be head of HOA's. They love to decide how the world should be run.

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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2014, 11:36:33 AM »
... after five days of seeing the same derelict RVs parked in the same spots I took photos to have for the next WMT discussion like this.

If we still lived here I would ask Wal-Mart to prohibit these vagrants from living on our streets and if nothing happened would support a local ordinance to insure that it did. A 24 hour limit would probably work but I don't blame WMT for not wanting to run a meter service.

A couple of newer RVs spent the night here last week and I noticed they parked as far from these permanent residents as possible. When we no longer have the option of stopping at WMT we will have these folks to blame.

If the offenders were in newer motorhomes, would you have the same comment?  Quite honestly, it's when the owners of newer motorhomes abuse the privilege I get a bit heated.  Derelicts or just down and out?  Personally, I feel for these folks.  I'm thankful I have a decent income and a home where I can hang my hat.  I'm sure there are some who are up to no good, but for the most part, what I've seen is some down and out folks doing their best to just get by.  And as we go forward in this land of plenty, where most of the wealth is concentrated in so few wallets, I fully expect the derelict rver situation to increase 10 fold. 
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2014, 02:02:45 PM »
We stay at Walmarts, Casinos, Elks and any place that allows overnight parking, without apologizing for it. We always ask first and get approval even if there are others already parked there. If we can find a spot where our bedroom slide is away from parking and activity we'll put that slide out. If we're badly off-level we'll deploy the levelers, but put leveling blocks down to prevent marking the pavement. We always spend money at Walmarts and especially Casinos (maybe lose is a better word). At Elks we make a donation.

Walmart is changing the way business is done. Allowing RVers to park overnight knowing they will spend money, $4 prescriptions, vision and beauty care, and they have wellness and medical care centers at some stores. I believe the cost is $40 a visit.

Traveling full-time, Walmart is almost a one stop shop for us. We get our groceries, household items, personal and pet prescriptions filled at Walmarts. If we are camped at one place for any length of time we'll try to utilize the local merchants.

Buying gas at Walmarts: buy a Walmart Gift card and put as much money on it as you need to fill your tank. Pay for the gas with the gift card and you won't have to run your credit card several times to fill your tank, and you will get a discount for using their card.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2014, 04:53:12 PM »
I try to look at the situation in a personal way. I am a veterinarian. I went to school for 7 years, had to pass the state board, had a veterinary clinic, had to have a state license which required 20 hours of continuing education each year, had to have a city and county licenses, had to pay federal, state, county and city tax, had to pay my employees and had to pay insurance. If some joker who never went to vet. school started treating animals in the local Walmart parking lot... Yes I would be very upset. I can see why the local campgrounds would not be very happy if campers started to "camp" over night at Walmart..

On the other hand, I didn't charge for a full yearly exam when I only gave a rabies vaccination.  Would be nice if CG had some in and out over night parking spots. If I didn't use your water, electricity, dump, shower, swimming pool, TV, WIFI...etc. why would I pay for the "yearly exam"?
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2014, 11:53:00 PM »
I try to look at the situation in a personal way. I am a veterinarian. I went to school for 7 years, had to pass the state board, had a veterinary clinic, had to have a state license which required 20 hours of continuing education each year, had to have a city and county licenses, had to pay federal, state, county and city tax, had to pay my employees and had to pay insurance. If some joker who never went to vet. school started treating animals in the local Walmart parking lot... Yes I would be very upset. I can see why the local campgrounds would not be very happy if campers started to "camp" over night at Walmart..
Sorry but I don't get the analogy. Walmart has to have city and county licenses, has to pay federal, state, county and city tax, has to pay employees and has to pay insurance.
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« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2014, 07:37:40 PM »
Newhalls, that was the analogy that I was making. I have stayed at a Walmart averaging about once a year mostly when I find myself caught in a bind. I don't believe that it is right to not routinely use a paying campground. 
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2014, 12:19:54 AM »
I try to look at the situation in a personal way. I am a veterinarian. I went to school for 7 years, had to pass the state board, had a veterinary clinic, had to have a state license which required 20 hours of continuing education each year, had to have a city and county licenses, had to pay federal, state, county and city tax, had to pay my employees and had to pay insurance. If some joker who never went to vet. school started treating animals in the local Walmart parking lot... Yes I would be very upset. I can see why the local campgrounds would not be very happy if campers started to "camp" over night at Walmart..

On the other hand, I didn't charge for a full yearly exam when I only gave a rabies vaccination.  Would be nice if CG had some in and out over night parking spots. If I didn't use your water, electricity, dump, shower, swimming pool, TV, WIFI...etc. why would I pay for the "yearly exam"?

Like the Newhalls I do not get the analogy either.. For one thing the reason Wal*mart likes RVers to park there is .. Well, I pull into the Wall*mart and I'm tired, there is often an eatery inside, or if I do not what what that store serves I can pick up a quick meal in the deli or in the frozen dinner department and do a quick Microwave.. But no matter which method I choose. I AM SPENDING MONEY, improving the economy,, IN fact for my wife and I to overnight in say a Flying-J often cost more than overnight in a licensed RV park (Dinner and breakfast for 2 at the affiliated restaurant).

This is what the govermaurnent is missing,  People spend money in the store, Which like you pays taxes, and permit and licensing fees.

And the kind of Vets I used to deal with treated animals where they were (on the farm) more often than in the clinic.  Pet Vets tend to overcharge epically when compared to Farm Vets.. So you know you are already on my bad side.
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« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2014, 08:37:11 AM »
Frank, we're all different.  My x wife was a Dentist.  I suspect she had as much medical school as you.  But I guarantee you, she doesn't feel the need to support anyone just because they're struggling to maintain a business.  A business is not successful because patrons feel sorry for them.  I'm sure your pet owners didn't go to you because you needed the business.  I suspect they went to you because you could provide exceptional care for their pet.  Walmart provides services for me that are not available elsewhere.  When I stay at one of their lots, it's because they have extended an invitation.   If they don't allow for overnight parking, I still shop there.  If I need something I leave my RV and walk over to the store.  That's almost every time.  I like Walmart.  They get the business.  I could drive 10 miles to a store at the other end of town but they must have something that sets them apart other than the sad face of the proprietor.   
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« Reply #56 on: November 05, 2014, 03:22:47 PM »
John: I did large animal work for 30 years until 5 hernia surgeries, arthritis and heart surgery put a stop to my doing that type of practice. Hope that you will like me a little bit better for that.   :-)  Over the years I have treated thousands of animals at little or no cost, so please don't lump all veterinarians in the category of overcharges.

To everyone: If you read my past post you will see where I stated that I usually spend more money parking at Walmart than I would have spent staying at a campground and that most Walmart welcome my staying at their locations.

Don't want to get into a great debate with anyone, but I also want to try to understand the position of the campground owners.
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #57 on: November 05, 2014, 05:46:20 PM »
Don't want to get into a great debate with anyone, but I also want to try to understand the position of the campground owners.
How many of us have purchased MS Windows or MS Office or Photoshop or any number of other software products?  Well, there is likely a freebie out there that does everything you use your purchased product for.  True, most of the freebies can't do everything the purchased version does or do it quite as well. But, unless there is a copyright infringement, the producers of purchased products do not try to make the freebie offering illegal.  Instead, they try to produce a product more functional, more effective, more attractive product than the freebies...or they buy the freebie code.  So, the way I see it the local campgrounds should either improve their services to better meet the needs of the overnight campers or buy out the local WalMart store.
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« Reply #58 on: November 05, 2014, 06:10:19 PM »
There are a lot of establishments that have followed Walmart and now allow overnight parking. Cabela's, Cracker Barrel, Bass Stores, Home Depot, Lowes, also Flying J, Pilots, Loves, and Elks. Why is Walmart the lightning rod? I never read anything negative about staying at any of the others.
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« Reply #59 on: November 05, 2014, 07:01:43 PM »
We recently had to pull in around 7pm at a new Walmart super store in Woodland, WA. We had left our home around 3:30pm and just drove awhile before determining we needed to rest a spell. We pulled in about as far away from the store entrance as we could. There were no other RV's. We went in and did some shopping. We asked a manager on duty if we could rest overnight. She said that while Woodland had an ordinance prohibiting overnight camping within city limits, it was not enforced at the Walmart lot. We probably spent $50-60 on groceries and enjoyed a restful night. When we awoke in the morning there were 3 additional RV's.

We went in for some breakfast items and found the manager on duty and thanked her. We shall be heading out shortly for 6/7 months and no doubt will need a free overnight on occasion. Or at least a grocery run. And some Walmart's actually have an auto store which is capable of doing MH oil changes. I think I was charged $50 a year or so ago. Nice to know.
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« Reply #60 on: November 06, 2014, 12:07:15 AM »
There are a lot of establishments that have followed Walmart and now allow overnight parking. Cabela's, Cracker Barrel, Bass Stores, Home Depot, Lowes, also Flying J, Pilots, Loves, and Elks. Why is Walmart the lightning rod? I never read anything negative about staying at any of the others.

I especially like Cracker Barrel.  There is nothing like waking up in the morning to a Cracker Barrel pecan pancake breakfast!

 Walmart is for those, "I forgot the ..." moments.  I've been known to make several trips inside before I leave.  Towels, trash bags, sun block, bug spray, coffee, etc. Walmart has it all, and half the price of what a CG will charge. 
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #61 on: November 12, 2014, 02:57:48 PM »
We recently got turned down trying to stay at a Walmarts in Port Charlotte, Fl. We have stayed at Walmarts on our trip out west and back and from Maine to Florida. This was the first time we got turned down and it had the biggest parking lot of all the Walmarts we've stayed at. I asked if we could stay a couple of hours to take a break and the CSR said OK. We went and visited a cousin of mine and when we got back there was a class C parked there. So this time my DW went in and asked and this time three CSR's said no problem. The police would not hassle campers. We spent a quiet and restful night. Next morning we went in and bought needed groceries and continued on our trip.
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« Reply #62 on: November 12, 2014, 04:39:43 PM »
Can't believe I'm going to again post about Walmart parking... But I'm going to!  For the past 9yrs, we have regularly (jeez, maybe 20 times) headed into a Walmart, east coast from NY down to SC when desired.  Never had an issue like being asked to leave or even questioned.  Always purchase in the store, never asked permission, however never treated it like a camp ground (have seen plenty doing that... yuk).  Last time was at Morgantown WV, heck, it actually seemed like they designed the lot for RV's to park on the perimeter of the lot!  We always look for a spot that puts the slide out over a edge area where it's not out in the actual parking lot, I'm just not comfortable hanging the slide out in the middle of someones parking lot.  All I can say is... Thank you Walmart!  They don't have to be this liberal with their space but they surely are (where allowed by ordinance).  We also have when necessary had our inverter generator running in the bed of our truck (have service line run to the 5ver) and have never had any issue with that either.  I would note that it's a quiet unit, not open or contractor type, not any louder than a MH generator and sometimes quieter.....
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #63 on: November 12, 2014, 05:48:55 PM »
I still like to go in and ask the manager if it's OK even if there are others already there. It's just good PR and It's just being a little courteous I think. It's only my opinion.   ;)
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #64 on: November 12, 2014, 09:30:51 PM »
For more info on parking at Walmarts there is a Yahoo group at :  walmartrving@yahoogroups.com
which has a maintained listing of Walmarts which do and do not allow ONP (overnight parking) and the list owner, Bill Halberstadt, is quick to check out reports of changes to parking status at a store and update the list.  I see no problem with staying at a Walmart, depending on the area and size of the lot but have not done it yet.  Our local Walmart which is in a very safe area is usually full of semi trucks and semi-trailers on the weekend because the manager allows them to park there and go to their homes in the city without taking the truck home.  See a few RVs from time to time.  Also, be aware that most Cracker Barrel restaurants welcome overnighters (with permission) and Home Depot lots are another favorite (again, with permission).
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Re: Walmarts
« Reply #65 on: November 12, 2014, 10:36:21 PM »
We always look for a spot that puts the slide out over a edge area where it's not out in the actual parking lot, I'm just not comfortable hanging the slide out in the middle of someones parking lot.  All I can say is... Thank you Walmart!  They don't have to be this liberal with their space but they surely are (where allowed by ordinance).
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