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Advise on upcoming California tour
« on: August 10, 2013, 06:48:25 AM »
Hi,

I am looking for some advice on an upcoming trip to California next month, arrive on 6th in SF, drop of RV on 21st Sept in SF.
I have a rough route planned out but I am not sure if it's achievable, I covered roughly the same distance last year in Canada but I am a bit more worried about this one.

Here is a very rough idea of where I want to go, any advice on where to stay or where to avoid, best routes etc. would be appreciated.
San Francisco
Lake Tahoe
Yosemite
Death Valley
Las Vegas
Grand Canyon
Joshua Tree NP
LA
Back along the coastal road to SF.
I normally allow about 4hrs between each place but stop on route to see other things, I would normally drive most days but reserve 2 days in SF and 1 or 2 elsewhere.

Thanks
Gary

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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2013, 07:16:50 AM »
That's quite an ambitious plan Gary, although quite typical for folks who haven't been here before. There are numerous prior discussions on this Vistors to the USA message board dealing with all or parts of your plan. We also have articles in.our forum Library, including one on San Francisco by RV.

BTW several of the places you mentioned are not in California.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2013, 07:30:24 AM »
Thanks for the prompt response and the advice, I will check out the articles in the library.

I know it's ambitious, I found the Canadian trip quite easy but when you're up in their national parks there's not a lot of traffic and driving is easy, I just think I am going to find a lot more traffic on this trip.
We were going to park the RV on the outskirts of SF and travel into the city on public transport, we did a similar thing in Vancouver last year.

Sorry I wrapped it all up as a California Tour to keep the title short but I will be venturing into other states as you mentioned.

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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2013, 07:47:57 AM »
Personally, I prefer Reno to Las Vegas, and it's an easy drive from Tahoe. Not on the scale of LV, but enough casinos and shows to entertain, with a lot less driving. OTOH I don't care to spend much time in casinos.
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2013, 09:28:23 AM »
Also, even though you are traveling in September, the desert areas: Death Valley, Joshua Tree and Las Vegas could still be a bit warm.

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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2013, 09:46:16 AM »
That's a very aggressive schedule for a two week trip.
Many of the roads that you're going to be taking are slow.  The national parks are going to be very slow with lots of traffic and parking issues (Yosemite in the summer time can be miserable just due to the parking issues). 

And.....while you can drive through Joshua Tree National Park loop and see much of it in a half day drive, Yosemite will take at least a day to see everything that's worth seeing. 

I've been to all the places you've listed many times and know them well and I am somebody that can spend ten or twelve hours a day on the road.  However, with these destinations I'd say that you're cheating yourself out of a lot that there is to see and do in each of these places.  I'd suggest consider doing just a Calif. loop and leave Vegas and Grand Canyon for another journey.

I'd also suggest doing your loop in reverse for several reasons but mainly Hwy 1 down the coast.  If you go south on 1, all the turn-outs and parking lots will be on your right and you'll not be having to deal with crossing on coming traffic.
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2013, 11:19:00 AM »
Thanks for the advice, I have considered leaving out Vegas & the Grand Canyon for another trip, I am trying to book as little in advance as I can so I can change the route and leave things out if it gets a bit tough going.
Unfortunately I can't go the other way round as everybody was saying that I would need to book Yosemite way in advance, so I have already booked the campsite :0(

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2013, 11:42:32 AM »
Just curious, what route will you be taking from Tahoe to Yosemite? One route is Hwy 395 from Reno and over Tioga Pass into Yosemite. If you choose this route, be aware that the pass is at an elevation of almost 10,000 feet (over 3,000 meters), and the RV will likely be gasping by the time you hit the summit.
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Re: Advise on upcoming California tour
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2013, 11:45:12 AM »
Also, even though you are traveling in September, the desert areas: Death Valley, Joshua Tree and Las Vegas could still be a bit warm.

Marsha~

The desert areas will be VERY hot in September. A run along the coast would be much nicer.
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2013, 12:29:53 PM »
What do you want to see/do in Los Angeles?  The combined metropolitan area covers 4,850 square miles and between things being kind of spread out and LA's legendary traffic, you can spend the better part of two weeks just driving from one side to the other. <g>

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2013, 01:47:19 PM »
Just curious, what route will you be taking from Tahoe to Yosemite? One route is Hwy 395 from Reno and over Tioga Pass into Yosemite. If you choose this route, be aware that the pass is at an elevation of almost 10,000 feet (over 3,000 meters), and the RV will likely be gasping by the time you hit the summit.

This is the route I will be taking, the RV I'm hiring is 23ft, is this still going to struggle?

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2013, 01:51:26 PM »
What do you want to see/do in Los Angeles?  The combined metropolitan area covers 4,850 square miles and between things being kind of spread out and LA's legendary traffic, you can spend the better part of two weeks just driving from one side to the other. <g>

We will probably do Hollywood and studio tours, I'll find an RV park and use public transport to get around.

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2013, 01:54:41 PM »
You'll make it over the hill OK, but it may be slow going. Hwy 395 and Tioga Pass/Hwy 120 is a nicer drive than the alternative.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2013, 02:05:40 PM »
If you have a couple of hours to spare, Bodie State Historic Park (a ghost town) is well worth a visit. From Hwy 395, you turn left on Hwy 270 approx 20 miles before reaching the turnoff to Tioga Pass. So, it's "on the way" and, as I said, worth a visit.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2013, 02:08:26 PM »
IMHO Hollywood Studios tours are overrated and somewhat corny. I'm not a fan of Mickey Mouse either  ;D
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2013, 02:11:51 PM »
I'm not too fussed on Mickey either, we have done Florida and I would imagine its much the same, to be honest LA is just on route to the coast, I'm happy to miss it out if there's a better route.

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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2013, 04:03:15 PM »
There are a number of ways to get to the coast, but I assume you'd want to be fairly well south, say Santa Barbara, to enjoy that coast route. I'll let someone else give you the best route to the coast, but it looks like Hwy 101 might be the way to go, although it is a long detour south.

I still wouldn't waste time on the movie studios. There are a number of interesting places to visit coming up the coast, including Santa Barbara, Solvang (a neat Danish community where 101 veers inland), Morro Bay, San Simeon (Hearst Castle), Monterey, Santa Cruz (and its boardwalk), and Half Moon Bay, to name a few. Hwy 92 from Half Moon Bay will take you back to Hwy 101, south of San Francisco airport (SFO).
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2013, 01:27:34 AM »
Just some random notes:

1. Even though the Tioga Pass road is normally open in September, many of the park facilities in Tuolomne Meadows (the high country at the Tioga Pass entrance to Yosemite) are usually closed starting in mid- to late-of September, depending on weather. I've had water jugs freeze over on Sept. 1 at Tuolomne. Winter comes early in the high country. Even though a lot of services are closed, Tuolomne is fabulous after the US Labor Day weekend -- gorgeous country and very few families with kids (check with the park to see when the campground is closing for the season if you plan to stay there). I'd take some time in Yosemite -- one of my favorite Ranger Naturalists used to say, "Tourists always ask me what I would do if I only had one day in Yosemite. My answer is that I would sit  on a rock and cry."

2. You couldn't pay me enough to go to Death Valley in September. The average daytime temperature is 42C (and can be 50 or more). It doesn't cool off much at night, either, that time of year.

3. I'll repeat what others have said -- you are covering lots of ground and aren't going to have much time to see anything. California is big.

If you only have two weeks, I'd make a big loop and stay in California: SF Bay Area, Napa Valley, Sierra Nevada (Yosemite, maybe a stop in the Gold Country, Sequoia National Park, LA/Orange County, Santa Barbara and the Central Coast, Monterey, back to SF). It's still a lot of ground, but it will cut your driving way back and you'll get to some some really wonderful places that weren't on your list, all of which are nicer that time of the year than Death Valley, and are ALWAYS nicer than Las Vegas.

Have fun!
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2013, 03:05:45 AM »
I wouldn't recommend taking an RV to Las Vegas, unless it's just a stopover on the way to another destination.  Yes, there are RV parks available, but you'll wind up parking the RV there and using it as a hotel room while you take other transportation around town.

It'll take you a day to drive there from Los Angeles, longer from Yosemite.  And an equal amount of time to drive back.

If you have any extra time before or after you have the RV, airline flights from LA or San Francisco to Las Vegas are frequent and inexpensive, especially if you can book a couple of weeks in advance.  Check Southwest Airlines for some of the best bargains.

You can find some real bargains weekdays (Sunday night through Thursday night) at most resorts - often less than you'd pay for an RV site.  Friday and Saturday are when the crowds arrive and rates are much higher then.

Getting around Las Vegas by taxi or bus is convenient and relatively inexpensive -  the tourist parts of town (the Strip and Fremont St.) are relatively close together.   And taxis and buses pick you up and drop you off in front of the resorts - RV parking is hard to find and even if you rent a car you'll have to park in the garages at the rear of the properties.

Flights from either SF or LA to Las Vegas are frequent and inexpensive, especially if you can book a couple of weeks in advance.  Try Southwest Airlines for some of the best bargains.
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2013, 11:12:55 AM »
We will probably do Hollywood and studio tours, I'll find an RV park and use public transport to get around.

No offense meant here; but out of the country tourist don't realize just how big places here can be.  LA is massive and very spread out; has very little public transportation; with little to no RV campgrounds in and around the city.  It's hard to see LA from an RV, not to mention the heavy traffic.

I vote for just hanging out in California and doing the coast.  San Diego is another suggestion with several very nice campgrounds one being Chula Vista RV, where you can visit SeaWorld, SeaPort Village and the San Diego Zoo.  Others have mentioned other cities and places in California to visit. 

We also have the Giant Sequoias, the Coast Redwoods up near the northern part of California.  You might even have time to get into Southern Oregon along the Rogue River and the beautiful Oregon coast line with lighthouses and high bluffs.

BTW, your gas engine RV will do fine going over the pass, it will just be slow.  We used to have a gas truck with a slide in truck camper and went over that pass many times.  You'll be fine.

Enjoy your visit.

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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2013, 11:33:17 AM »
Translation from Amlish to English:

Gas = petrol  ;D
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2013, 12:40:55 PM »
We were intending to stop in Vegas for one night as a stopover on the the way to the Grand Canyon, we were looking to stay at one of the RV parks right near the strip and then use public transport, but after reading some of the comments I'm getting a bit nervous now as I think I may have vastly underestimated my times from place to place, due to difficult terrain and volume of traffic.

I was hoping to stop at the Hoover Dam on route to the Grand Canyon but have read that this can also take a long time due to volume of traffic and security checks.

The other thing that is now playing on my mind is the Tioga Pass, I am not too concerned about driving up it but I am a bit worried about the trip back down again.

I have a couple of alternative routes now planned in case things look like they may get tricky.

Firstly I may do Tahoe Lake and approach Yosemite from the East as planned, if it looks a bit tricky to come back that way I may leave from the west and follow the national parks through Sierra, Kings Canyon & Sequoia, forgetting Vegas & the Grand Canyon, then picking up Joshua Tree and working a route around LA to the coast.

I never really plan to drive the RV in any city centre traffic, I always try and skirt round the outside and park up where we intend to stay, the same will apply when we return to San Francisco, we did the same thing in Vancouver last year and it seemed to work really well.

The other alternative is to forget Lake Tahoe and approach & leave Yosemite from the West and follow the route above.


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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2013, 12:56:01 PM »
Didn't mean to scare you regarding Tioga Pass; You'll be fine, but be sure not to ride the brakes on the way down (either side). Shift into a low gear at the top, and don't worry if there are cars behind you. Use the brakes occasionally to correct your speed, and that will avoid overheating and eventual brake fade.

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« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2013, 03:21:10 PM »
If you were to fly into Las Vegas, rental cars are available at the airport (a short distance from the Strip) and Hoover Dam is only 30 miles away.

Through traffic no longer crosses the dam, there's a new bridge across the canyon immediately to it's south. You won't see much while driving across the bridge, the roadbed is considerably higher than the crest of the dam and they intentionally blocked the view with high sidewalls to avoid driver distraction.  But you can park at the west end and walk across for a full view.

Entry and exit to the dam is through a security checkpoint on the Nevada side.  Cars are usually sent through without too much of a delay, but if you bring an RV it will be inspected before you're allowed to proceed.  The visitor center and main parking garage are on the Nevada side, but an RV won't fit in the garage so you'll have to drive across the dam and park on the Arizona side, then walk back.
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2013, 07:15:33 AM »
Just thought I would let you all know that I am now back from the US and the RV trip was great, thank you all for your help and advice.

As most of you mentioned I was trying to do an awful lot in a real short space of time and you certainly weren't wrong, here is a brief run down of how things went, for anyone who is interested.

Lake Tahoe was amazing and I was a bit disappointed that I didn't allow my self more time there, as I would have loved to have driven around the whole lake but there was a cycle race on and I turned around part way in as every corner had a cyclist and it wasn't much fun for them or me.

I never actually got to drive Tioga pass as my sat nave sent me up Highway 4 and to be totally honest I found that such a scary drive, I am not great with heights, that I didn't want to drive down Tioga Pass a couple of days later so I changed my route to stay on the west of the mountains as the roads seemed a little easier.

On the plus side I did get to see Kings Canyon and Seqotia, before heading to Vegas. I missed out Death Valley and Grand Canyon but did see the Grand Canyon by helicopter on a flight from Vegas, which I am told is one of the best ways to see it. We took in the Hoover Dam (amazing) and dropped down to Lake Havasu city before heading to LA through Joshua Tree park, which I thought was a really nice National Park.

LA is absolutely crazy with traffic, as I was warned, it took us 4hrs to get from 40 miles east of the city to Highway 1, there was an accident but even so every road we tried was absolutely rammed.

Highway 1 was fantastic and we stopped at Big Sur which was gorgeous, I wished I had allowed myself another day there, we then headed in to San Francisco for a couple of days, that's a beautiful city.

So as I mentioned I am back and now clear of jet lag and have started planning next years trip and would welcome any advice you could give, I have three potential ideas but would welcome any others, if you have them.

1. Into Seattle, or similar, and tour Yellowstone and surrounding parks
2. East coast maybe starting in New York and up to Niagra Falls, after that who knows?
3. Back to Canada, which I did last year, and maybe take in Victoria and a ferry up to Prince George area, has anyone done this? (I know this is technically in the wrong area)

I would be looking to cut the mileage back to about 800 miles per week and either do 2 or 3 weeks, as mentioned any advice would be welcome.

Thanks

Gary

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Re: Advise on upcoming California tour
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2013, 10:30:29 AM »
Fly into Phoenix in the spring or fall. Go back and do Grand Canyon right, on the ground. Hang out a couple of days in Flagstaff and visit Walnut Canyon, Wupatki, and Sunset Volcano, interesting NPS sites in the area. Drive up into SW Colorado and visit Mesa Verde and Hovenweep. Drive the Million Dollar road (spectacular in fall). Wander across southern Utah....more there than you can see in years so sample bits and pieces and stay long where you find something you love. Zip down to Vegas and then back to Phoenix. About 1300 miles mileage with some of the best scenery you'll find anywhere.


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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2013, 05:00:54 PM »
THat certainly looks interesting, I think Zion National Park is on the way back to Phoenix? I forgot to mention, we would probably go in June next year, not sure if that makes much of a difference, also couldn't see a Million Dollar Road near that route on google maps?

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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2013, 06:23:26 PM »
Zion would be on the route. Bryce could be, too, if you wanted it and had time. And if you had time to kill (not likely), you could toss in Moab.


Sorry, Million Dollar Highway is Highway 550 in Colorado from Durango to Ouray. There's a great loop drive, Cortez-Durango-Silverton-Ouray-Ridgway-Telluride-Cortez. It's a spectacular drive with drop-dead scenery. Pretty anytime of the year, but spectacular in fall.


June would be a nice time for the trip although it would be getting a bit toasty in Phoenix and Las Vegas. But the rest of the trip would be nice. And you could drive straight from Phoenix to Flagstaff to get out of the heat quickly.


You could also start/end the trip in Las Vegas if the airfares and RV rental were better prices.


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« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2013, 02:25:48 PM »
I know this is a late response, but if you decide to come to the Pacific Northwest, start a new thread. There is a lot of scenery per square meter here, and plenty to do -- both city stuff and natural! I'm glad you enjoyed your California trip.
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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2013, 02:02:14 PM »
I would definitely recommend the Seattle plan. The pacific Northwest is breathtakingly beautiful, the people are nice, and there is plenty to see. I would do Seattle and Portland, but drive down the WA/OR coast. I have been a lot of places in this country, but that stretch of coastline if by far the prettiest. Portland is nice, because there is a ton to do, and they have EXCELLENT public transportation to anywhere you would want to go. :)
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« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2013, 12:22:46 PM »
Thank you for all your responses.

I have decided to go for the Seattle plan, the flights booked and I can't wait, although I now have to work out which actual route I will be taking, there are so many to choose from.
I do fancy doing the coastal road, as I enjoyed it from LA to San Francisco, but I also want to do Crater Lake, Mt St Helens & Yellowstone, Glacier and possibly Mount Rushmore, but that might be pushing it.

I do feel a bit bad though as I will be doing it in a car from motel to motel, not an RV :0(
I managed to get a free flight with my airmiles and they gave me a great rate on car hire, so it just worked out as a great deal and it seemed mad not to, I will definitely be back RV'ing the year after though!

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« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2013, 04:40:44 PM »
Where and when will you be arriving?
Timing is everything on the Oregon/Washington coast. If you can, make a reservation in the Willamette valley somewhere, and then let the weather "blow you" in the proper direction. Same goes for Washington, pick an out of the way spot that is not too far. Olympia, for example.
If it is good run for the coast and enjoy it. If not, it is a reasonable drive to Sisters, Bend, Crater Lake and the like. It is rare to see rain both east and west of the Oregon and Washington Cascades.
I find that making hard reservations for Friday and Saturday is a must, but the rest of the week let that weather take you where it is best. Unless it is a festival or something you can get a room Sunday~Thursday without too much trouble.
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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2013, 01:15:19 PM »
We will be arriving mid June, into Seattle.

 

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