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One Second After
« on: August 18, 2013, 06:04:17 PM »
Totally different kind of thread, but I wonder if any of you have read this book?  It's SciFi but in a novel involving a family outside of Asheville (my backyard).

If you ever thought of being a 'Prepper' this will get you thinking harder about it.  Won't give the plot away, but if you've read it you know where I'm going here.  Would love to hear back.
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2013, 07:44:24 PM »
Am I totally out of line here just talking about a book? Can't believe 115 people viewed and have no comment. Never had that happen before. It's not a bad book, it just makes you think and I would think most people 0f our genre would think. If you have something negative to say, say it.
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2013, 08:31:23 PM »
Maddie, I think many people here view most new threads.
Not out of line at all. But I'd need to read the book or know what it's about to make any sort of worthwhile comment.
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2013, 08:34:22 PM »
My guess is that most folks... Like me.. Have not read the book and thus have no coment.

So many books... So little time.. by the time I finish all the backlog in my Kindle apps... Theory has it I will no longer be  (Though that said,, I do read fast)  I could (if I forgot the internet for a while) clean up the backlong in 3-7 years based on the book count and reading 1 a day)
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2013, 06:16:53 AM »
Hi Maddie,

Sounds like an excellent book. Right down my alley. Will give it a read and report back  here if we don't get an emp before hand!
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2013, 06:27:17 AM »
Good one, Al!

I guess it hasn't got much press. I think I heard about it on Limbaugh's show and got curious. Apparently it is a book that has circulated Congress, although I'd rather they read the bills they sign first. :-\
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 09:10:12 AM »
I guess you haven't gotten too many responses from people who have read the book, well here is one from someone who has. Very thought revoking and actually quite scarey. I actually think that this kind of situation could happen, maybe not the same as but quite close to. I'm glad that I read the book but I have to admit it gave me a few sleepless nights after I had finished it....Alan

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Re: One Second After
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2013, 06:51:37 PM »
Yes, Alan, I agree. I'm still only 3/4 through because sometimes I have to put it down. But it's very well written in a novel form, don't you think? I think one of the most startling message it conveys is how dependent/spoiled by all the communication we have. And how lost we would be if it was suddenly taken away. But there's just so much in there that we never think about on a day to day basis.
I didn't have sleepless nights, but it just gives you a different way of thinking about things. I particularly liked the line that when people are in crisis they have an instinct to head for the hills. I think that would be true for me.
Thanks for the feedback, makes me feel a little less odd for bringing it up.
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2013, 09:24:16 AM »
Great story and well told, but I read the first edition of the book and could not get past the horrible grammar mistakes.  Hopefully, the editors have fixed those in subsequent editions.
I'm speaking of the use of "could of", "would of", "should of" instead of the correct "could have", "would have", "should have", etc.  I don't know why, but that particular mistake makes me want to chuck the book at the author's head.

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Re: One Second After
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2013, 12:08:00 PM »
There are things you can do if you are concerned and want to do something to protect yourself.  Google "survive", "Prepper", "survival", etc.  Lots of information as well as "scare" stuff so be careful.

Old vacuum tube radios will work as will the old fashioned phones, although I am concerned about the "tone" ones as they have electronics in them.  Many electronics items may not be affected IF they are in metal cases and the case is grounded.  It is a crapshoot though in those cases.  Pun intended!    :)
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2013, 11:30:38 PM »
I was on a prepper site for awhile, practically got ran off.  They are all for the constitution and free speech till you have some thoughts differing from them.  Sadly what I see from a lot of them is they are ready to start shooting and think that most people are their enemies after their preps.  I don't want to live in fear and paranoia.  I mean some of those folks are scarey.

But having said that, I imagine the book is good.  I do fear economic collapse like in 2008.  I think we just propped it up and did nothing to fix it.  Sure hope I'm wrong.  In the meantime, I have lots of everything stashed away.


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Re: One Second After
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2013, 11:37:37 PM »
I'll see if I can get it on my ipad, then again, kind of ironic reading a book as I surmise, about lack of electronics on an electronic device.  As Jim mentions, vacuum tubes and there will be Ham radio ops out there to reestablish comms.  After 9/11 we were the first to get comms going for fire and police.  I was on a list to go, but the comm companies did a good job reestablishing.  I was supposed to go that weekend. 

Want to help prep yourself, get your license and some vintage ham gear and learn how to use it, how to erect a simple wire antenna.

Yup, ebook available, bought, will download in a minute.
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2013, 02:21:10 AM »
Hi Maddie, Pancakebill and all,

While I am not a prepper, after the hurricanes down south, I felt the need to put some things together in order to get my family and I through a couple of months. After that time things should be fixed or more survivalable. I think people often are under the illusion that the government will come rescue them and that is simply not the case.

Tube radios and ham outfits are of great help and importance, to get needed information. Also when people are desperate, they can do some inhumane things. During emergencies, police and officials will be busy and unable to protect you for hours at a time or days. Some means of protection are essential.

A RV might be considered a prepping device as it is something that can be lived in if you have to move away from your area for a short time. In short everyone should take this stuff seriously and have a means to get by without help for a short time. Better to have it available than to be caught off guard and in need.
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2013, 05:00:37 AM »
Great, Bill, let me know your thoughts when you get a chance to delve into it.

Al, I remember the comment from someone after Katrina:  people always want to horde gold, but after something like that no one wants gold,  they want food and water.

I guess a RV would be certainly better than nothing, but as stated in the book when all electronics are shut down, no vehicle made after 1980 would run because they are all computers on wheels.  The generator could be used, however, in the book it talks about how generators in hospitals and NH's wouldn't work either although I can't remember why.  Need to go back and read that part again.
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2013, 08:43:15 AM »
One thing preppers, survivalists and really anyone would need in one of these scenarios is a means of defense.  I am guessing the book may go into that.  I started reading last night, just into the birthday.  It was late.

We are sort of preppers, in that we are snowed in all winter, so we have a vast pantry which we maintain.  Of course an EMP would destroy our freezers, making for an initial great BBQ. 


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Re: One Second After
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2013, 12:18:32 PM »

Al, I remember the comment from someone after Katrina:  people always want to horde gold, but after something like that no one wants gold,  they want food and water.

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Re: One Second After
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2013, 05:51:47 PM »
I guess a RV would be certainly better than nothing, but as stated in the book when all electronics are shut down, no vehicle made after 1980 would run because they are all computers on wheels.  The generator could be used, however, in the book it talks about how generators in hospitals and NH's wouldn't work either although I can't remember why.  Need to go back and read that part again.

Most if not all recent generators are controlled by "ELECTRONICS" so they would not work.  There are ways IF someone knows how to do it but I'm not sure very many could make the changes needed to go back to mechanical control. 
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2013, 07:03:26 PM »
TP on prepper list, there just not mentioned.

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Re: One Second After
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2013, 08:29:01 PM »
The thing that woke me up the most in that book was considering how many people are dependant on medications.  I feel fortunate that DW and I are in good health.

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Re: One Second After
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2013, 12:11:37 AM »
Of course an EMP would destroy our freezers, making for an initial great BBQ.

Greetings, I've thought about that (since I have a freezer). What I think you would have to do, is fire up the oven and make a lot of jerky..........that is after the really great BBQ. Best!
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2013, 03:36:16 PM »
Yes, Maddie, I've read it.  Of all the 'doomsday' scenarios that are realistically possible, this is one of the scariest.  While I had long been aware of the effects of an 'EMP'-emitting burst, I had never really had my imagination tweaked as to the ramifications for a society so totally dependent upon grid-supplied electrical power and upon our electrically-driven devices.  Some people think their best chance of survival is in being well armed and capable of violence; some think good negotiation skills, mental resilience and a good horse will be most useful.  I can be entertained all evening around a campfire just hearing everybody's ideas how to get by til they can raise their kids to take their places as adults in that new world.

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Re: One Second After
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2013, 08:21:10 PM »
I have read it and it is a great book.

 I have also read "Earth Abides"  and "Malevil"  both are older books 60's or so and worth the search if you can find them.
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2013, 07:45:32 PM »
Yes, Jerry, one of the biggest 'aha' moments was how the EMP started supposedly, (as the people don't know at this point since they have no communication), by our enemies as they decided the best way to get to Americans is not onesy twosy nukes that we feel at least most of us would survive and then annihilate them, but take out all electronics/electricity that we are so spoiled by. Then we would eventually destroy each other.

Another interesting thing is that I have recommended this book to coworkers and even a prepper, and they kind of nod and say "oh, really?".  As they carefully back away. I don't present it as a doomsday thing but as an interesting book about what and how much we truly are dependent on for everyday life.  I probably would have backed away, too, a few years ago. But there has been created such a division of entitlists as never before, I felt this was more of concern than in our past.
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2013, 07:58:22 PM »
You would probably also enjoy Cyberstorm by Matthew Mather.  It's available from Amazon at this page.
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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2013, 11:47:41 PM »
Greetings, I've thought about that (since I have a freezer). What I think you would have to do, is fire up the oven and make a lot of jerky..........that is after the really great BBQ. Best!

And what kind of fuel does your oven require??  Electricity is not available so my gas oven won't work if I even have gas.  Coal or wood burning would work if you have one of those old timers.  It gets real interesting once you start thinking about the situation.  No electricity, gas, gasoline, diesel or ??? as they all require pumping stations, vehicle or other transport.
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2013, 07:31:07 AM »
Ned, thanks, I'll check into that.

Jim, those that knew how to do things such as drying meat and fruit were highly prized. The community was highly guarded against intruders. However, people such as linemen who remembered how to string telephone lines, those that knew how to rig an old-fashioned generator (that's how they eventually got gas out of pump stations), doctors, nurses, of course, were let in. Farmers who knew how to grow something from nothing, and of course Nam and Gulf War vets whom had done combat were highly regarded.

Someone such as myself, with no particular skill set (unless you want to trade stocks and bonds, which for some reason I don't think would be a high priority) would be kept out to fend for ourselves. Really gets you to thinking how useless some of us are in a situation like that.
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2013, 07:10:05 PM »
Maddie,

The neighborhood I live in is complete with a couple of electrical engineers, I'm one of them, construction inspector, electronics repair and cable tech, as well as several other talented people, mechanics, and do it yourselfers.  In addition many of us have RVs, we all are on wells and septic systems, several have serious gardens and there  are several talented seamstresses/crafters.  Several of us are excellent hunters and there a also a couple of fisher people with an excellent trout stream within a mile of the house.  In our tract is also the kitchen supervisor for the county jail and a deputy sheriff.  many of the local sheriffs live within a mile as well as several Highway patrol officers.  It is an interesting area that also includes several Doctors and nurses.

The area we live in is essentially rural and all of us have 1/2 acre or larger lots so there is room for large gardens.

After all that we are still concerned about the potential for having to rely on ourselves for a long period of time
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2013, 08:41:59 AM »
Jim, can I move into your neighborhood?  Just kidding, I'm sure there is a lot of talent here, too, being a rural retirement horse community.  This subject is just something you don't want to bring up to just anybody, being akin to the UFO sighting you had last night.
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Re: One Second After
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2013, 12:07:06 AM »
I read it a coupla years back, but had been exposed to the theory before; way back in the late 70's when I worked with an outfit that tried to predict some environmental effects of various nuclear scenarios.  Not very cheery work, as you may imagine.
EMP is very real, but the effects have been somewhat overstated for dramatic effect.  It would have a tremendously destabilizing effect on our lives, but the likelihood of it killing every vehicle with electronic ignition is extremely remote.
Anyway, let's all hope we never find out.

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« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2013, 12:32:39 AM »
If good practice was followed, you are right, EMP is survivable.  Back in Desert storm our military found that the static in the desert disabled their electronics, especially radios.  I also worked with EMP protection back in the mid to late 60s and then later in the 70 with lightning protection for Space shuttle.  Both are interesting and dangerous.

I am concerned for most modern autos and many appliances as my Ham gear affects many of them.  100 watts of RF at some frequencies cause "interesting" effects. 
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