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Women full timers - is it safe?
« on: August 26, 2006, 08:16:36 PM »
Are women safe out there on their own?  I've heard of several women going it alone and they seem to be fine.  Can any women out there give me some idea of how safe they feel it is?  Have you had any bad experiences due to being female and alone?  If you've had bad experiences, I don't want you to go into any details, just . . .   is it safe?



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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2006, 08:29:52 PM »
You'll get plenty of feed back, Neva however we have come across many single full time women and they always had dogs...canines ;D

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2006, 08:32:06 PM »
Probably safe for the women in the CG, b ut perhaps dangerous to the gents that are willing to help said female.  When the gent gets home lumps on head start to swell and sometimes bleed.  Hurts dlike you know what.  Found out the hard way. 
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2006, 09:39:37 PM »
Neva,

We've had a number of single female RVers in our forum over the years. Some felt insecure while others felt safe. I'll be interested in reading the responses you receive.

As for Shayne, he's had lumps on his head for many reasons. Can you believe he left his wife behind at one truck stop while he drove off. He didn't even notice she was missing until he was some ways down the road.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2006, 10:31:34 PM »
Dang  Tom Do you have to tell everything.   LOL  That probably won't be the last lumps I get either LOL
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2006, 11:52:48 PM »
Some are slow to learn, others just like the lumps. :D

I think I'm going to like full timing.  I just like to know the pitfalls ahead of time.  I'm not the youngster I use to be.  I don't know how well I can protect myself these days.  My dogs will warn me, but that's as far as they are willing to go.  They expect protection after that job is done.  Cockers.  They're sweet and lots of company, but they are not protectors.

I have always been an adventurous type, but usually with calculated risks as opposed to reckless abandon.  Anyway, I'm going to say good night now.  Thanks for the laughs.

Neva

P.S.  From what I hear about Shayne's situation, it sounds like married women have more to worry about than single ones.  Like, getting left behind.   ::)
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2006, 08:30:46 AM »
Neva,

I'm not a single woman fulltimer; but I have thought over the last several years that if something happened to my husband that I would become one.  I love the freedom.  I drive our 35' motorhome DP with tow car as much, or more, than my husband.   So handling the rig would not be a problem.

I think the first thing I would do is find a "singles" motorhoming group so that I was at least with people; and have people to share events and go places with.  I think loneliness could be an issue. 

Even now, when we fill with diesel, we both are careful to notice others around.  IF we are filling the motorhome on the fill side by the driver's window, we lock the door so that noone can slip in while we are on the other side.  This is not so much an issue with us as we now have a dog.  He wouldn't do anything about it; but his bark is deep and strong which would deter someone.

I also would only camp in campgrounds, not at WAl marts, or in rest stops. 

I'd also make sure that maintenance on the motorhome would be regular and kept up to date.

Not sure this is much help and is what you are looking for.  I vaguely remember seeing some discussion groups on the internet for singles motorhoming.  Perhaps someone here would have a link for you or you could just do a search.

BTW, I also live in CAlifornia....the north county of San Diego.  We are presently in Canada in the middle of a 3 month trip with 2 cats and an 11 month old standard poodle puppy..{oh joy}

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Re: Women full timers - is it safe?
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2006, 11:19:29 AM »
Are women safe out there on their own?  I've heard of several women going it alone and they seem to be fine.  Can any women out there give me some idea of how safe they feel it is?  Have you had any bad experiences due to being female and alone?  If you've had bad experiences, I don't want you to go into any details, just . . .   is it safe?




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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2006, 11:35:17 AM »
I agree with Marsha. Pay attention to what's going on around you. Be careful where you stop for the night. Keep your cell phone charged and with you at all times. Take the dogs with you (loud is more important than mean....noise and lights tend to chase away the bad guys). Absolutely keep your maintenance up to date and in tip-top shape but be ready if you should break down in the middle of nowhere (have emergency roadside service and a cell phone, know how to change a tire, etc.). Shoot, most of these are things that any woman who lives alone should practice.
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Re: Women full timers - is it safe?
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2006, 01:25:14 PM »
Neva, you specifically asked “women, going it alone” to respond. I don’t qualify, by that standard. I am male, half of a team, not alone. I spend quite a bit of time on this forum, doing the same thing you are doing - finding out about R.V. issues. I’m a newby to R.V.ing.

I have followed a number of your posts and have observed that you ask good questions. Your questions are well thought out, appropriate, direct to the point, and you have your objectives well in mind. When the answers are not clear, you are probing, to clear them up. All of that is good. Frankly, it shows more thought than most people, with respect to your planning.

So, even though you asked for female response, I am responding to your question. (It is the only question I am qualified to respond to, since I am new to R.V.ing. I am learning, here, just as you are, about the R.V. lifestyle.)  I am supposed to be qualified in issues of personal security, and have enough ego to believe in it, myself.

So, to answer your question, directly, “Women Full Timers - Is It Safe?”  The direct answer is “No!”

That said, it is probably safer, IMHO, than where and how you are living, now. I’d guess that you are living in what is called, here, “a stick house.” Doesn’t matter. The hazards are the same. There is little for you to learn, about your personal security. You already know the issues - hazards. They are not different. They are the same.

Solutions are a bit different. In your stick house, if the neighborhood goes bad, you’re stuck. Or, you sell, and buy again, elsewhere, in a safer neighborhood. In an R.V. you start the engine and move, for what ever reason you choose, with little or no notice to anyone else. Obvious? Probably. But, it is a real difference.

Traveling? You have, no doubt, traveled in your car. The road issues are the same. If you wouldn’t stop there, in your car, don’t stop there in your R.V.  If you have already stopped there, and you see something that makes you nervous, start the engine, and move on. Pick a better “neighborhood” and stop, again.

“Bump in the night?” The R.V. is probably, generally, safer than a stick house. Response is the same, whatever response you would ordinarily make.

Have confidence in yourself. You have safely reached a status where you are looking at spending quite a bit of money, (savings, income, credit, or cash under the mattress) to buy and live in an R.V. You didn’t get there, being stupid or making unwise decisions. As I said, previously, you are asking good questions - capacity to plan well.

Your greatest hazard, I would guess, would be the “Gold Digger” hazard. But then, getting to the state of success that you now enjoy, you have dealt with that before. Only difference is that you will be “flying a flag.”  You appear to be looking for one of the “nicer” units, for your use and pleasure. It says “Money!” “Whoopee! Gotta meet that lady!”  Use the judgement you have been using, apparently successfully.

On the other hand, almost four years ago, I met an attractive single lady, with a nice motorhome, living alone. Married her! What can I say?  ;D ;D

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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2006, 02:01:02 PM »
Well, a question that comes to mine (Already implied elsewhere in this thread) is this:

Is it safe for a woman alone (Note, the absence of any reference to RVing or Fulltiming or Camping)

and another question is "Is it safe for a PERSON alone"

In today's world, if you are alone, there are many who would conisder you fair game for their personal pleasure, They may rob, steal, or other wise rip you off, they may attack you in many ways jsut so they can enjoy a few minutes pleasure at your expense.

NOTE: this has nothing to do with being in an RV.  However if I were this type of person I might well tihnk twice about attacking a Full Time RV-"Babe" I mean, here we have a woman who knows how to drive a fairly large truck, She knows how to hitch and unhitch, she likely knows what that tire-bat is for, and how to use it, she may well be in somewhat better physical condition than the average rocking-chair potato, she has tools and knows how to use them.

(most tools are also weapons by the way)

Of course,,, I'm not most muggers

But I'd rather take on Ms Frumpy who lives in apartment #c in than some well conditioned thing who may well toss me in front of a passing Semi as a way of thanking me for my unwanted attantions.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2006, 02:15:01 PM »
Hi Neva,

Welcome to the forum. There are probably hundreds of single women on the road. Safety is an issue no matter what your lifestyle may be. You have gotten several responses which explain some of the things of which you need to be aware. You haven't mentioned what type of RV you are contemplating. When traveling I think a motor home of some type is safer than a trailer. You don't have to exit the "driving" vehicle to access the "living" area. If you are parked somewhere and think it is unsafe you just move up front and drive away. Much better than having to exit the trailer and get into the tow vehicle.

Most campgrounds are as safe as any good neighborhood. You have lots of neighbors who do not want trouble anymore than you do. Rvers tend to watch out for each other and I've never met a friendlier bunch of people anywhere. You just have to be aware of your surroundings. Once you start traveling you'll probably wonder why you didn't do it sooner!

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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2006, 05:46:54 PM »
Wow!  Thank you everyone.  You gave me some really good responses.  I feel better already.  And, Marsha, I believe I'll follow your advice about the singles thing.  I hadn't thought about doing something like that.   

I test drove a 2007 Itasca Meridian today.  It's the 39' one.  I really like it.  Anyway, thanks again to all of you for being so thoughtful in your responses. :)

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2006, 06:30:14 PM »
Hi, Neva.

I would suggest you get either Trailer Life or Woodall's (I prefer Trailer Life) when you start RVing and only stay in RV parks which are more highly rated.  Some will list if they have security.  I expect the higher rated ones to be safer as they probably aren't in the seedier part of town.  We also don't stay in parks that are listed as "Mobile Home Park"; "Trailer Park", etc. as this means they have more full time stationary trailers or park models.

On another thread, there was a very good suggestion of keeping the steps retracted so others do not have easy access into the MH.

You go, Girl!!!!

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2006, 06:44:29 PM »
Neva,

If you consider buying a new motorhome negotiate and shoot for at least between 20-30% off the M.S.P.R. Be sure your the dealer is giving you the factory MSPR price.

Good luck,

Chris from the Bay area

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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2006, 07:35:45 PM »
Neva: You didn’t ask about specific security measures. As a matter of fact, you said, “I don't want you to go into any details.”  For that reason, I didn’t offer measures, nor go into details. However, security measures, appropriate to R.V. living are a logical extension of your question. There are a number of threads, here, that might be of use. I offer the following, as containing advice you might consider. There are others. This one contains advice from a number of qualified respondents. Not all agree, but that is life.

(My apologies. I am not good at computerizing. The link may not work. If not, copy and paste it into your Browser window.   Best an old guy can do.)

Personal Security In Your R.V.

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=5667.0

D2 suggested a thread with a reference to keeping entry steps retracted, for enhanced security. (And why.) The thread is a debate, of sorts, about a specific incident at a Walmart Store. I am adding a link to that thread, if the link works. Otherwise, this link is also a “do it yourself” project. Note that there are “details” in this thread that may be disconcerting. Personally, I agree with D2 that the thread has value. YMMV

Walmart Crime

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=6288.0

Ray D.

Edited to gloat! Whoopee! The links work! At least, they do for me! - - - - Either that, or one of the computer masters with a black belt in computerology waved a magic wand and made them work! Either way, I'm happy!
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2006, 07:43:08 PM »
I still am concerned that our rational minds don't think like a drugged upped addict...or the criminally insane. We all see that on a daily basis on TV. Lots of creeps out there ::)

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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2006, 08:07:58 PM »
I still am concerned that our rational minds don't think like a drugged upped addict...or the criminally insane. We all see that on a daily basis on TV. Lots of creeps out there ::)

Sure there are "lots of creeps out there" but I think there are a lot more caring, good people. As for us not thinking "like a drugged upped addict," I can be cautious without, thank god, thinking that way.
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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2006, 08:15:53 PM »
Well, the older crowd doesn't have the calibration of the younger folks...who do have drug problems. I agree most people are honest and decent...but we don't have to worry about them. ;) There are some people who are on drugs and we can't begin to think about how "they" think. I've had a few businesses and sadly I employed a few folks who didn't think like the "normal" crowd :o

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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2006, 09:17:21 PM »
I just spent over an hour trying to type out something that would be understandalbe.   Alas in the midst of my preview, it disappeared for the face of this computer.    I am unable to find it.  If the great gods of this forum happen to run across it, they do have my permission to post it. 

Here is an overall that may actually show up.  In my absoulte opinion.  All gender issues aside.  Any person that takes upon themselves the responsibilty of a kingdom regardless the size ---- must be prepared for the unforseen and the absolutes.  That is it in a Nutshell.   Yes, I believe, that women given the superiority of their complex minds have an even BETTER potential for survival.   As long as they realize that no matter what direction the heart tends to be strung they need be aware of the steering wheel and engine.   

Does it require a Male?  NO  Are men safer and more likely to survive?  NO 
Does it require a brain?  YES     Are male the only persons that hold the market on intellect ......  Please don't make me exfoil upon the earths my paltry portion of gastric aroumas and clumps of left over edibles ........  bdup bdup bdup, that's all folks. 

Is it debatable as to the potential who might best for the situation?   Gee, while 'yall are out there trying to hash that one out, I myself choose to cut, duck, shoot and recover what ever necessary for the safety of myself and mine.    Stop separating the very most valuable portion of life that being partnership through humanity.   I frankly have never seen a moment that did not end in success with the effort of those involved ......  Whether they were male or female or only male or only    Or goodness knows what this looks like now.   Perhaps the rumor is true and I am but a figament of your own imagination.
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Re: Women full timers - is it safe?
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2006, 10:13:25 PM »
I still am concerned that our rational minds don't think like a drugged upped addict...or the criminally insane. We all see that on a daily basis on TV. Lots of creeps out there ::)

You are correct, to a drug addict there is no YOURS and Mine, (Speaking from his viewpoint now) there is only MINE, you may have it temporally but it's MINE MINE MINE so I can get more drugs (Back to normal viewpoint)

Again, you might notice in my earlier post I was not long on gender reference (Save for the part where I spoke of a RV-er "Babe" and taking on someone less able to defend themselves) He don't care either

And you might notice in the wal-mart incident it was SHE who capped him while he was fighting with her man.

(A very good singer I know has a song called "The Female Of The Species" and the general point is contained in the following joke?

How to tell if a Grizzly bear is male or female:

Run TOWARD it yelling and screaming like a crazy man... If it runs from you it's a male

Student: But what if it's a female?"    Teacher: Then,,,, Then you are it's lunch.

The female of the species is more deadly than the male.... 'specially when you threaten the offspring.

However folks who have fried their brains on drugs... don't think, period
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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2006, 08:02:26 PM »
Neva,

If you consider buying a new motorhome negotiate and shoot for at least between 20-30% off the M.S.P.R. Be sure your the dealer is giving you the factory MSPR price.

Good luck,

Chris from the Bay area

Thanks Chris.  I like to use "rule of thumb" figures.  It makes it easier.

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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2006, 11:04:01 PM »
As a man I wish to tell you I have the utmost respect for your choice.  I would do it alone but I would be apprehensive.  I suspect you will be fine almost anywhere you go and I suspect you know the places not to go.  As others have said be aware of what is around you but do not let it spoil your travels and fun.  When fear rides with you it makes for a terrible companion.  Live life to the fullest and just be aware in the process.
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2006, 11:29:03 PM »
Marsha, I believe I'll follow your advice about the singles thing.  I hadn't thought about doing something like that. 

Neva,

There are some Yahoo groups for single RV people. 

RV-Singles
RVingSingles
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2006, 01:55:01 PM »
Hi Neva,

I also am full-timing solo in California. Where are you? I'm in Santa Clara/San Jose. I've driven across the country from Ottawa, Ont to San Jose, CA three times back and forth in nothing but my pickup truck. I stopped at rest areas and truck stops for sleep and was on the road driving the rest of the time. I didn't talk to anyone or make any big deal out of it so no one paid much attention to me at all. I pay attention to license plates, but not everyone else does, so unless someone would have made it a point to check out my out of state plate, I just look like a normal person going from point A to point B. Now that I'm in California, I've got my little RV that I'm living in.

I'm very quiet. I don't go broadcasting in any way that I'm travelling or living alone. I don't talk to anyone except if I need help or directions that I can't get from calling a friend. I scout out potential areas in the daytime first or try them out for a night. If I feel that I need to make it known that I'm not alone, I can say just before shutting the door "I'll be right back." or something to that effect letting anyone that might be paying any attention think that I'm not alone. So far, I have not had to do that.

I do not stay in CG's. I stay at Walmart or other parking areas with other RV units and stay quiet. Usually I don't get out of my MH, unless I need to go into the store for something. There are other people sleeping there by themselves also, so I'm not alone that way. Since I'm only there for a place to sleep, I'm really not setting up "camp" at all. I go there at night, sleep, wake up and go to work.

If you're in my area, give me a shout. I don't drink coffee, but we can hook up for a visit if you're interested.
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2006, 02:14:59 PM »
B.L., having lived in the Bay area for 26 years, including 10 in San Jose/West Valley, I'd say be very careful about overnighting in parking lots. Although I didn't see any issues in our part of town, San Jose is renowned for gangs of oriental bad guys. My admin assitant came to work one day and told me one such gang had set her car on fire in the driveway for no apparent reason.
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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2006, 03:57:01 PM »
B.L., having lived in the Bay area for 26 years, including 10 in San Jose/West Valley, I'd say be very careful about overnighting in parking lots. Although I didn't see any issues in our part of town, San Jose is renowned for gangs of oriental bad guys. My admin assitant came to work one day and told me one such gang had set her car on fire in the driveway for no apparent reason.
Tom,

Do you know that San Jose is listed as one of  the larger safest places in the US. (probably after you left). ;D

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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2006, 04:02:35 PM »
I'm sure things got safer after I left Chris, but remember we're not that far away  ;D

I'd think that Almaden valley would be much safer than, say, east San Jose.
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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2006, 04:41:41 PM »
Yes, I've heard of problems around the area. I wouldn't say I'm necessarily in a safe area as anything can happen anywhere, but I'm not in those particular bad areas and stay away from downtown where most action happens in any city.
I'm not sure what part of San Jose I'm in, but I think I'm at the north because I'm on the borders of Santa Clara, Milpitas, Sunnyvale and San Jose around 237/101/880. I think the boundaries are funny around the edges and so I must be on one of those funny boundaries. Weekends bring a change of scenery as I choose a different place and sometimes go to Santa Cruz. It's awesome to spend the night at the ocean.
Walmart has security that goes around the parking lot quite often and goes by where all the RV's are parked.
I usually park where there are other campers. My areas are pretty quiet thankfully.
I keep my cellphone charged and close by. It's also my alarm clock too so it's on 24/7. I don't set anything up or take things out and leave them lying around so I'm ready to go first thing in the morning.
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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2006, 05:40:49 PM »
Understand where you are. That triangle might even overlap into Mountain View on the NW corner. If you go a few miles further north on the west side of the bay you arrive at East Palo Alto, at one time considered one of the worst violent crime neighborhoods in CA. Be sure to wear a flack jacket if you venture up there. Milpitas is on the east side of your triangle. (We  lived in Milpitas for 6 months, but moved when our lease was up). SE of your triangle (aka east SJ) is the area I previously mentioned as potentially problematic, not downtown.

Reality is that there are good and bad areas, but the boundaries are not well defined. Unfortunately, the days of acres and acres of fruit orchards in the Santa Clara Valley are long gone, replaced by a very high density of people, industry, housing and automobiles. Ready access to freeways in that area might offer more incentive for crime (easy getaway), although obviously not at commute times.
 
When I found out that one of my newbie employees (a college recruit) was sleeping in his car not too far from your triangle, I went ballistic. I was truly terrified for his safety. I had numerous employees and even my wife searching for affordable housing, which is a bit of an oxymoron in the valley. I had him put up in a hotel until we found an acceptable/affordable apartment.

Could/would your employer help out, possibly allowing you to overnight in their gated/secure lot (assuming they have one)? You might even be able to use their showers and other facilities, reducing the frequency of having to find a place to dump. Not quite the same but, when I worked in Santa Clara, I'd drive the motorhome to work on Friday morning; The security guards kept an open space for me and kept an eye on the coach during the day. We weren't sleeping there though - we were headed out for the weekend. But it's an example of how you might get added security in your situation.

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« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2006, 06:25:59 PM »
I don't go into Mountainview at all to sleep... too far. And I don't go into East SJ. I stay very close to my work during the week.
Work helped by kicking me out of the parking lot as soon as I got the van. I think I lasted a couple days/nights before that happened.
I was there for two months in my truck with no problem, but they didn't realize I guess and it was nice and inconspicuous.
They said for my own safety, but I think it was more to do with their liability if something happened while on the property.

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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2006, 07:52:31 PM »
I have been alone all my life, even during childhood with working parents (daycare?  in the 50s?), so I have no concept of any other existence.   I have been a fulltimer for over 4 years now.  Most of my adult life was spent living and working in downtown Chicago.   It never occurs to me to be afraid.   I'm vigilant.  A lot of personal safety is attitude. 

What I've wondered lately, though, is why so many RVers carry weapons.  Mostly guns from what I hear.  It is not an option as far as I'm concerned.  I'm not going to shoot someone.   Most of the time the punishment doesn't fit the crime.   And I'm definitely one of those people whose gun will more likely be used against her.   I'm a fighter and never in the mood to be hassled.   I get the impression that people who do carry guns must feel somewhat helpless, that they are in danger or this is a dangerous lifestyle.  This is WAY milder than my old neighborhood.

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Re: Women full timers - is it safe?
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2006, 09:33:05 PM »
Why do so many RVers carry guns (Well, I do admit I haver a grees gun (For lubricating jacks) and an oil gun (likewise) and a solering pistol and a glue gun or two, and some air guns (hot and cold) and a water gun.. Oh, you meant firearms, don't have any of those, might be tempted to use them and I really don't care to do that)

I think there are a few resons for that.  One is that RVers tend to be an independent lot, and sometimes this leads to the ability to defend yourself, forcefully if necessary.  Another is that for many folks at some point in their life the RV was a hunting cabin on wheels (My last RV was it's previous owner's hunting cabin on wheels).  And more and more in the world today, as the government tightens the controls on guns... Folks are invoking their 2nd amendment rights.  In fact the one thing I see that more than anything else motovates me toward buying a firearm is the government attacks on my 2nd amendment rights.  (I may some day buy some firearms just to protect those rights... now AMMO.. Don't want no stinking ammo, but might be nice having the gun)

When it comes to personal safety, RVing is like so many things... You park in a campground where most of the RVs (or for that matter MANY of the rv's) look trashy... Worry.  You park amoung reletively new, well cared for Class A's, (Espically those occupied by members of this forum) and upper level 5th wheels... Don't worry

You park where My class A is parked just now (My own back yard) WORRY! (next door neighbor does drugs)
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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2006, 11:09:34 PM »
JID:

Your parking recommendations remind me of the place I tried last winter in AZ.  The first thing the manager told me was to be sure everything, including my small runabout bicycle was locked all the time, because people in the neighborhood jump over the wall and break in.  Not an auspicious start. 

The few people whom I've heard discuss their guns do say they have them for protection, which caused me to wonder about this lifestyle.  Since I stay in affordable but nice parks such as those you recommend, that's where I meet the gun owners.

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« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2006, 07:41:31 AM »
Well, Pat, living as I do just now in a City, many homeowners will tell you that their guns are there "For Protection" as well

I've lived 28 years in Detroit (As of tomorrow) and I've never owned a gun.  My next door neighbor is a drug dealer, and I've never owned a gun (He has been reported). Now, I can take a gun apart, put it back together and shoot rather straight.  I have even put back together a gun someone else took apart and had it work properly.  But I don't own a gun and except for target shooting, don't care to use them.

So, what does that say:

What is the best protection... A good mind.  (Scene, tv show McGuyver,  He is in his bosses office many stories up in an office building, an attacker is launching flying kicks at his head.  Mac ducks.  Finally the attacker launches an attack over the top of the desk Mac is ducking behind, he ducks, attacker, now ballistic, continues over his head, through the window and ceases all hostilities many stories later after making one last impression (on the pavement below)

Now that's defense)
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« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2006, 02:38:09 PM »
JID:

That's the fun thing about living in the city.  Interesting neighbors. 

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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2006, 02:47:33 PM »
Well Pat, we have guns and will pull the trigger if needed. If some drug head or criminal ( or both) tries to break in it is a done deal. I know there is an anti gun group as well as a pro gun group. Heck I worked with a fellow who was anti gun and after his house was broken into, his wife shot with a 12 gauge, pellets cut the phone line, he is now on the "other" side. Heck, I'd hate to even knock on his door at night :)

At any rate, I'd rather be in the position to defend my self than not. We do a lot of dry camping and haven't had a problem. But we have in campgrounds and Wal Mart lots. Heck, shoot outs in one campground ( Davis Camp, AZ).............

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« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2006, 04:30:20 PM »
So much for campgrounds being safer...  :-\
Main thing is to have your wits about you, however you just can't be on guard all the time. When you close your doors and curtains, who knows what can go on a very short distance away. And that's anywhere...
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« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2006, 05:31:20 PM »
JID:

That's the fun thing about living in the city.  Interesting neighbors. 

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Yup, that it is, and one of the reasons I'll be glad when this house is no longer mine

To be honest I have not had a good knock down, drag out, fight in over 30 years, last time was in High school when 3 bulies teamed up on me, lowered their heads, and went to sleep.  (Well, they planned on head butting me but since I'd moved [at the last second] they had a "Meeting of the minds" instead... and by the time they recovered.  I'd moved even farther, much farther.  I think the brick wall behind me assisted by adding it's thoughts to the mind meld too)
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« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2006, 06:11:50 PM »
I really don't like the gun discussion as it pulls folks apart.  Its sort of like talking politics and religion.  I do carry tools.  I have a drill for drilling and a screwdriver for screws and a hammer for nails.  I even have wrenches and sockets for nuts and bolts.  I have a gun for protection.  All of these tools I hope to not have to use as it generally speaks to something wrong.  We all carry different tools in our chests and that seems to sum it up.  Finally if you do not have a hammer or screwdriver I will loan it to you or fix it for you.  If you are a fellow RVer I will be there for you in any way I can to help.  We share a lifestyle that speaks to the person, the road and  freedom.  Let us embrace our similarities rather than dwell on our differences.

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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2006, 07:52:36 PM »
Yeah Phil, I don't know why it pulls folks apart. City minds I guess. I have relatives that think guns are evil and some that carry. The smart ones were in New Orleans and protected themselves during and after the hurricane. Others died................

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« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2006, 09:51:59 AM »
Any discussion that pulls people apart is unfortunate.  I don't object to any form of self-defense.  I was just curious if the need to carry guns was unique to the RV lifestyle.   

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« Reply #42 on: September 05, 2006, 10:23:00 AM »
Re: Guns and the RV lifestyle

I think there is a cause and effect relation but I think you have it backwards.

People adopt the RV lifestyle for several reasons, sometimes once they are "mobile" their reason changes but I'm looking at why they STARTED.

Some folks, just want to get away from it all, vacation among TREES instead of condos

Some folks don't want to be rock bound (Radio term, means stuck in one place)

Some folks (IE ME) want to "See the USA in their Chevrolet" (And yes, my rig is mostly Chevy)

Some folks like to go hunting and want a portable hunting lodge they can park at different places different seasons or perhaps different years.... These folks often have GUNS (Others use bow and arrow but GUNS is the primary hunting item)

Some folks have just had it with city life, After spending 20-30 years as a police officer patrolling the streets (or as a dispatcher telling the cops where to go) (though my department did not issue guns to dispatchers)

And there is the odd survivalist who feels that a moving target is harder to hit.

These last 3 groups often bring guns with them in the RV.

But the guns are not the result of the RV lifestyle, rather the RV lifestyle is the result of why they have the guns, so it's not really causes/effect  it's cause effect1, effect2.  And when you are  unfortunate enough to break in and do harm to these last 3 groups there is effect 3 to consider... You won't much like effect 3. But I can bet your last thoughts will be OH S!!! He's got a gun! or something related to that.

Was recalling a scene from a TV show (Nash Bridges) Where assassin was hooking a bomb to Nash's car.  After making a wrong connection his said "OH S!!!, and retired from the assassination business... Suddenly, and with prejudice (extreme in fact)
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« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2006, 10:42:17 AM »
Nice summary John. In the West I think folks carry guns because they have since they could walk, for hunting and other reasons. Would think about not having one........................Seems a lot of Urban people shy away from weapons, except the criminals and gangs. ;)

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« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2006, 11:50:13 AM »
Though what you say about urban folks is true, I'm a country boy at heart, raised on a dairy farm.  And though I've fired guns, am a very good shot with a carbine, and I can take them apart and put them back together, I can even put them back together after someone ELSE takes them apart (Even though he could not)

I still do not wish to carry one

That said, I may have to, some day, buy a gun,  Why,(Because our governmental leaders thing the 2nd amendment is something to run through a shredder that's why)
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« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2006, 11:53:58 AM »
Ditto John....do we still have a 2nd ammendent ;) Last I'll say about that or that will start a new debate here :)

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« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2006, 02:00:54 PM »
Agree ddwith you John.  Been around too many times when innocent individuals where hurt and killed by nice people handleing guns that fweren't loaded.   Made it a policy to avoid those situations anymore.  I had a Boss once that pulled a gun and was acting up, Wound up, he was shot in the leg and I wound up in court over it.  Was cleared, caused the judged asked me if I threatened him.  Asked the judge if  a ifference between a threat and a promise.  He told me yes and I then told him I didn't threaten, but promised, if he ever pulled it again I'd kill the SOB.  Judge didn't like him either and case dismissed. With a warning to me, naturally  Don't like guns, had too much of them in service.
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« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2006, 03:10:42 PM »
Ditto John....do we still have a 2nd ammendent ;) Last I'll say about that or that will start a new debate here :)

Well, with me you won't likely get much argument.

And Shayne... How come you wound up in  court if he shot HIMSELF in the leg? (Don't bother answering , I know far too many cases where things worked out much that way.... They too were cleared)

Now, as a police dispatcher I've worked with folks who carry guns most of my life,  I just would rather let THEM have the responsibility.

And yes, some of the troopers I've worked with had a few stories about unloaded guns too... Some of them were just funny (Shot between the feet (that means it went harmlessely into the floor) or shot in the file cabnet (I saw that one, helped teach the idiot his lesson too) (One of the sgts decorated his office rather well... Problem is he did not know where to find the needed decroation... Dispatchers know where resources are located, it's our job after all)

Some of them... Were not so funny.
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« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2006, 08:50:52 PM »
I have to laugh as the poor woman asked if it was safe to RV alone.  The thread started out OK but sure got into the politics of guns, government and the Constitution.  That's OK I guess but the bottom line on her end of it is she safe? :-\.  I say she is as long as she is careful especially in an RV.  Cedar City is rare.  I refuse to be ruled by fear and not because I am a male but more because I want to be out there and see things.  I have been across country on motorcycles, cars and trucks without ever having a problem.  Its all in the attitude and projection of confidence.  If someone kills or hurts you then at least you have lived life and not remained in your stick house to await the reaper while fearing the world. 

You spoke of the Constitution, we are so out of wack that the Founding Father's would be amazed at how much we have tweaked it.  Each day that goes by our Freedom goes with that passing day.  That is why the RV Lifestyle is so important.  It represents a freedom most Americans do not have, guns or not ;)
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« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2006, 09:08:18 PM »
Yeah, it is amazing how people can digress. Guess it is like a regular conversation where you start out on one topic and wind up with a totally different subject. :) Seems some common threads do get woven in though. I think a lot of it, is people trying to project their views into a topic...even if skewed. ;)

I like history and genealogy research. Going back in time really makes one wonder what the heck happened to us and the country. So, I agree about the RV lifestyle you mention and we keep trying to find the "good" spots. Try to keep ahead of the curve. I found it interesting that Wyatt Earp had a wagon and lived a rather nomadic existence as he got older. He and his wife camping in the wagon along the Colorado River.....romantic life style back then :)  Talk about digressing ::)

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« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2006, 09:13:55 PM »
He flashed it at my direction and I told him to put it down and if he didn't I was going to to have to put it down for him.  Well, he still had a hold of it when it went off. Needless to say I was no longer emplyed by him.  Some people never learn.  Later he was hunting and shot himself.  Died about 4 weeks after that.
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« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2006, 10:14:06 PM »
Sounds like he was a great shot, Hit himself twice.  Wow.  Some folks are, as one of my coworkers used to say "Too stupid to live"
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« Reply #52 on: September 06, 2006, 11:06:13 AM »
Sorry to have gotten everybody off subject, but I found the resulting tangents informative and useful (hope that's not too redundant). 

My company had a mobile guard who, on his rounds one night, stopped at the gas station across the street and was admiring himself in the men's room mirror spinning his gun around his finger like an old time cowboy.  Gas station attendant opened the door at the unfortunate moment the gun went off...

Well, as a woman RVing alone, I feel quite safe - a lot due to attitude and precautions.  I do tend to stay in parks for several months at a time, so I end up among a lot of retirees following good weather.  However, with all the road and pipeline construction going on, and the farm migrant workers, at least in the northwest here, the longer-term clientele is becoming a lot more diverse and transient.  Parks are beginning to migrate from RV parks to mobile home parks.  The place I just left had quite a few residents who happened to own trailers and couldn't afford to stay anywhere else.  Some of the backgrounds and attitudes were pretty harsh.  We even had one homeless person in a tent.  I actually enjoyed meeting and getting to know them, but I'm more comfortable in this tightly run park where there's a bit more stability.

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« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2006, 05:23:18 PM »

My company had a mobile guard who, on his rounds one night, stopped at the gas station across the street and was admiring himself in the men's room mirror spinning his gun around his finger like an old time cowboy.  Gas station attendant opened the door at the unfortunate moment the gun went off...


We had a neighbor "kid" my dad hired as a hired hand on the farm when I was too young to stack hay in the hay loft (You know, as much as I don't like HEAT today, that was the hottest job on the farm)  When he graduated high school he enlisted in the army (I do not know if drafted or enlisted) and one day they had to stand there for something like 2 hours getting a lecture on Gun Safety.

Well, as the Sgt. dismissed them one of his "Buddies" (And that term is used somewhat freely) did one of those western twrils

Put 7 members of the platoon in the base hospital.


Somehow I think that poor private likely spent the next two days (or two weeks) getting the advanced gun safety lecture

WHILE STANDING AT ATTENTION, non stop from rotating sgts and Marine Corps trained ones at that!

(For those who don't know,, this would make DEATH look inviting)
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