EPDM Coatings
rvupgradestore.com Composet Products Custom Yacht Interiors

Author Topic: Audio equipment  (Read 3361 times)

Tom

  • Administrator
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 44587
    • RV Forum web site
Audio equipment
« on: January 27, 2014, 07:42:50 PM »
Several Delta Strummers Board members had an interesting field trip to the Guitar Center today. We're budgeting for audio equipment that will allow us to integrate various inputs (boom mic's, solo mic's, acoustic guitar players), and others. We have prices from the Guitar Center, amazon.com and a third party discounter.

Our current thinking is to go with powered speakers and a powered mixer. We also need stage monitors.

Should be an interesting outcome.

BTW this is not a rock band, and we rarely (if ever) play outdoors.
Tom.  Need help? Click the Help button in the toolbar above.

SeilerBird

  • ---
  • Posts: 10948
  • Everything I state is my opinion.
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2014, 07:48:15 PM »
The very most important member of any band or orchestra is the sound man. One person should be in charge of sound and not play any instrument. It should be his job to sit out in the audience and keep the sound balanced. Which is why you see sound equipment in the middle of most arenas. The actual equipment choices are far less important than the skill of the audio engineer.
I would like to apologize to anyone I have not yet offended. Please be patient and I will get to you shortly.
My new Pixel camera:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rMSw5eVkCfKuuEOP2
My portfolio:
https://goo.gl/photos/Cx4SaYhGfYFShSty7
My Grand Canyon shots:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nc1AT8tQp25wJwfm1

Jim Godward

  • ---
  • Posts: 5738
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2014, 09:43:05 PM »
I'll second Tom's comment on having a dedicated audio engineer.  Having been one for many years at our church in CA, it can make all the difference in what the audience hears for good or bad.  One of the other guys that operated the sound system was complemented on the quality provided the local University concert in the church by the network recording guys.  They recorded but the audience heard the concert from our system.

Find someone who will do the job.  It really doesn't take an expert but does require one with good hearing and a willingness to learn.  I can no longer do it due to the state of my hearing.  All that artillery has finally taken its toll on my hearing.  Off to see the VA tomorrow to see what they will do.   :)
Jim
Jim & Pat Godward
AC7PO & KD7ZDM
Hillsboro, Oregon

mrschwarz

  • ---
  • Posts: 799
    • C U on the Road
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2014, 11:21:20 PM »
I agree with the previous posters. I used to be a sound guy in the seventies and I have the hearing aids to prove it! Some of the equipment that I see these days is inexpensive and compact. They also have specs that we had to spend a fortune to duplicate. Find a sound guy!
Michael

2017 Allegro Bus 45 OPP
Cummins ISL 450
Allison 3000
Progressive EMS-HW50C Surge Protector
Air Force One

Visit us at www.schwarz.org

Tom

  • Administrator
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 44587
    • RV Forum web site
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2014, 04:22:53 AM »
We already have a sound guy. OTOH when we recently played at a theater, they had they own equipment and their own sound engineer who was located with his board 'out there'. At venues other than the theater, we've been using borrowed equipment, not all from the same source. Our upcoming purchases are merely intended to replace the borrowed stuff.

It's been a long time since some of us shopped for any of this stuff, and seeing what's available today was something of an education.

The guy in the store (in his 30's) gave me a strange look when I asked if we could hire him to set up for our gigs. When I explained that the 4 guys in front of him (all close to 70) are the 'kids' in the band, he understood and smiled  ;D
Tom.  Need help? Click the Help button in the toolbar above.

Ernie n Tara

  • ---
  • Posts: 3274
  • Life is Good - Together
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2014, 09:45:08 AM »
We went with Beringer for speakers and mixer and have been more than satisfied with the results. Perhaps more power (550W rms/speaker) than we, or you, really need, but you have to go there to get good bass at a reasonable price.

Ernie
Ernie 'n Tara

2011 Winn Journey 34y
2012 Jeep Rubicon - Dozer (orange - kinda)
2006 Jeep Wrangler

mrschwarz

  • ---
  • Posts: 799
    • C U on the Road
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2014, 09:55:14 AM »
You'll be all set when you cover Led Zepplin! 8)
Michael

2017 Allegro Bus 45 OPP
Cummins ISL 450
Allison 3000
Progressive EMS-HW50C Surge Protector
Air Force One

Visit us at www.schwarz.org

Tom

  • Administrator
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 44587
    • RV Forum web site
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2014, 10:41:01 AM »
Quote
We went with Beringer for speakers and mixer ...

Prior to yesterday's store visit, I'd been looking at the Behringer Europort EPA900 and Yamaha Stagepas 600i systems. I came away from yesterday's visit convinced we need to go 'bigger', and not necessarily have a mixer made/labeled by the speaker manufacturer. Still evaluating options.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out how we recruit younger guys into the band  ???
Tom.  Need help? Click the Help button in the toolbar above.

mrschwarz

  • ---
  • Posts: 799
    • C U on the Road
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2014, 11:10:50 AM »
Take a look at Mackie Mixers. I bought one for our synagogue several years ago. They are feature rich and reasonably priced. I'm pretty sure we got it at Guitar Center. It was a nice unit.
Michael

2017 Allegro Bus 45 OPP
Cummins ISL 450
Allison 3000
Progressive EMS-HW50C Surge Protector
Air Force One

Visit us at www.schwarz.org

SeilerBird

  • ---
  • Posts: 10948
  • Everything I state is my opinion.
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2014, 11:21:54 AM »
Just remember when choosing audio gear that it is extremely important that the output impedance of the amp should match the input impedance of the speakers. In other words 8 ohm speakers connect only up to an 8 ohm amplifier.
I would like to apologize to anyone I have not yet offended. Please be patient and I will get to you shortly.
My new Pixel camera:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rMSw5eVkCfKuuEOP2
My portfolio:
https://goo.gl/photos/Cx4SaYhGfYFShSty7
My Grand Canyon shots:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nc1AT8tQp25wJwfm1

Tom

  • Administrator
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 44587
    • RV Forum web site
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2014, 11:25:51 AM »
Thanks for the info on Mackie Mixers. Someone else was taking notes yesterday, and hopefully they wrote down the manufacturers of the various mixers we looked at.
Tom.  Need help? Click the Help button in the toolbar above.

Tom

  • Administrator
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 44587
    • RV Forum web site
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2014, 11:31:06 AM »
Quote
... 8 ohm speakers connect only up to an 8 ohm amplifier.

Thanks, I figured that out in (EEE) school, although it was a long time ago  ??? 
Tom.  Need help? Click the Help button in the toolbar above.

SeilerBird

  • ---
  • Posts: 10948
  • Everything I state is my opinion.
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2014, 11:34:45 AM »
Thanks, I figured that out in (EEE) school, although it was a long time ago  ???
I figured you already knew that but I didn't want to assume since audio equipment generally doesn't put the impedance on the front panel in large numbers.
I would like to apologize to anyone I have not yet offended. Please be patient and I will get to you shortly.
My new Pixel camera:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rMSw5eVkCfKuuEOP2
My portfolio:
https://goo.gl/photos/Cx4SaYhGfYFShSty7
My Grand Canyon shots:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nc1AT8tQp25wJwfm1

Tom

  • Administrator
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 44587
    • RV Forum web site
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2014, 11:49:16 AM »
Quote
... audio equipment generally doesn't put the impedance on the front panel ...

The ones in the Guitar Center did; Some said 12, some 14, etc. Isn't that the kilomilliohms number  ???

One said "bluetooth", so I figured that one had infinite impedance. But I couldn't find an amplifier that said "infinite output impedance"  :(
Tom.  Need help? Click the Help button in the toolbar above.

Tom

  • Administrator
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 44587
    • RV Forum web site
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2014, 05:43:21 AM »
Quote
Take a look at Mackie Mixers.

Confirmed with one of the guys last night that we were indeed looking at Mackie mixers on our visit to the Guitar Center. As you say, they're feature rich.
Tom.  Need help? Click the Help button in the toolbar above.

Larry N.

  • ---
  • Posts: 4484
  • Westminster, CO
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2014, 07:53:30 AM »
Mackie is good, but you might look at Peavy, too -- I have one of their small mixers, and it's excellent. I see their speakers sometimes on bandstands, too. Of course there are a few others...
Larry and Mary Ann N.
2016 Newmar Ventana 3709 -ISB6.7 XT 360HP
2015 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited toad
Formerly: Trailmanor 2720SL
  de N8GGG

Tom

  • Administrator
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 44587
    • RV Forum web site
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2014, 08:06:40 AM »
Thanks Larry. I'm not really current on mixers, and was a little concerned we might be limiting ourselves to the brands/models they had on display in the store that day. OTOH this was mainly a tire kicking session to allow us to allocate sufficient funds in our budget.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2014, 08:09:22 AM by Tom »
Tom.  Need help? Click the Help button in the toolbar above.

Tom

  • Administrator
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 44587
    • RV Forum web site
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2014, 08:36:26 PM »
We purchased a Yamaha Stagepas 400i (400 watts) system for monitors. The monitors are being used at weekly practices to feed the bass rifs from the guitarist(s). The Stagepas 400i has an 8-channel mixer.

At our next public performace, we'll use the Stagepas 400i on speaker stands to 'project' to the audience, and will use a 'borrowed' Stagepas 300 for monitors. Based on this experience, we'll decide on our next step/purchase.
Tom.  Need help? Click the Help button in the toolbar above.

MN Blue Skies

  • ---
  • Posts: 1125
  • Favorite saying: "It depends."
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2014, 08:05:45 AM »
I don't know anything about making music and I'm very late to this conversation but I thought I would mention that B & H Photo and Video also sells audio equipment.  I LOVE those people for my photography equipment and we did buy some type of sound system for our wedding. I also bought my last laptop from them.  Competitive prices and the very knowledgeable staff are experts in their specific areas. 
A girl called Max, her husband Eric, Princess Kitty, and Molly the Service Dog in training.

2013 Cougar High Country 315 RES ( A 35' 5th Wheel)
"Big Blue" 2012 RAM 3500 Big Horn (Cummins Diesel 1 ton)

Tom

  • Administrator
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 44587
    • RV Forum web site
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2014, 11:26:13 AM »
Thanks. We got a better deal than the B&H price for the same equipment. But we'll check them next time we're shopping for stuff.
Tom.  Need help? Click the Help button in the toolbar above.

Larry N.

  • ---
  • Posts: 4484
  • Westminster, CO
Re: Audio equipment
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2014, 12:29:16 PM »
B&H is a fine place to deal with, though they don't always have the best prices. Their inventory includes lots of stuff that's hard to find elsewhere and, while it's largely aimed at the pros, it also caters to the advanced amateur/semi pro and even has a lot of stuff for the average consumer. They also have a brick and mortar store in NYC, and even have some online seminars.

Service has been excellent.
Larry and Mary Ann N.
2016 Newmar Ventana 3709 -ISB6.7 XT 360HP
2015 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited toad
Formerly: Trailmanor 2720SL
  de N8GGG

 

Hosted by Over The Network