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Ron_CA

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Concerned about black/gray capacity
« on: February 14, 2014, 09:48:10 AM »
Looking at the airstream interstate as well as other class B and am thinking that I will be making lots of pit stops to dump. Any way/ room to retrofit bigger? Which class B has the biggest tanks?

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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2014, 09:53:44 AM »
Generally speaking class Bs don't ever have large tanks. If you are going to be using the RV enough to where dumping is a concern then you should really think about stepping up to a class C or a class A.
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2014, 10:13:17 AM »
Really want to have the B for getting around in places an A wouldn't be doable.

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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2014, 10:40:06 AM »
Really want to have the B for getting around in places an A wouldn't be doable.
I have been full timing for ten years, half in a B and half in an A. There simply is no comparison. Holding tank sizes, cargo carrying capacity, room to stretch out. I did not own a toad and I never really had a problem driving my class A any place I wanted to go. Where do you think you are going to be going that an A could not get to?
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2014, 11:00:40 AM »
City driving and some national / state parks? Plus really don't want a slide out so can maybe catch a snooze incognito  :)

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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2014, 11:26:59 AM »
City driving and some national / state parks? Plus really don't want a slide out so can maybe catch a snooze incognito  :)
If you go to my web site you will see that I have visited every National Park in the lower 48 and many state parks. I have done a ton of city driving with no problem. I do not have any slide outs since I don't like them.

You need to rent a class B for a week and live in it to see what I am talking about.
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2014, 04:21:32 PM »
Okay, how about this ....My Wife doesn't want anything that big  :P.

I get what your saying, I really do. Plus I know you are trying to avoid a follow up post "this is too small, I need a bigger RV"

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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2014, 04:29:43 PM »
You need to rent a class B for a week and live in it to see what I am talking about.

And be sure and take your wife, "who doesn't want anything that big", with you! There's perception and then there's reality...you'll see what Tom's talking about!

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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2014, 04:37:31 PM »
An RV is used for two things, driving and living in. Most RVers drive about 5% of the time and live in it about 95% of the time. It does not make sense to optimize your RV for driving since that is really a minor event. This past week it has been raining almost non stop here in central Florida. If I was living in a class B I would have gone nuts by now and I live alone.
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2014, 05:04:04 PM »
HELP...Where is my "B"ackup?  :P

I appreciate your comments and I know you are (mostly) right  ;D

Okay here is the thing, I bought a house with a big 2000 sq ft garage. It has an 11 foot door and really wanted to park inside. I also like to drive sports cars and just thought the B would B more nimBBle and suit me better even though I am not going to be in a big hurry when I go.

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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2014, 05:25:52 PM »
The truth always comes out eventually....  8)
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2014, 05:43:38 PM »
The truth always comes out eventually....  8)

Lol...I have plenty of room to park outside too, just thought it would be nice to park in there when not on the road.

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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2014, 05:46:59 PM »
Parking inside is a definite plus. However comparing the handling of a class B with a sports car is like comparing me to Paul McCartney as a singer.
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2014, 05:48:33 PM »
Lol...I have plenty of room to park outside too, just thought it would be nice to park in there when not on the road.

Don't limit yourself this early in the game!  ;)
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2014, 06:32:00 PM »
I don't always agree with Seilerbird, but when I do it is about his and Sir Pauls singing. 

He is also over the top right about the size.  However, she who must be obeyed must be happy.  I know many folks that have and love their B's, I basically have a B and abn A, and for more than 2 days out, we choose the A. 

National an State Parks.  SOmeone in the B industry has really spread that rumor well. 
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2014, 07:32:12 PM »
I kinda just made the thing about parks up  ;) although have been to some spots in Sequoia that an A may have trouble.

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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2014, 08:53:06 PM »
With an A you will typically tow a small car, so if the park has no place for you or limits shorter than your rig, you just camp elsewhere and drive in. 

However, if you have just made up objections, not sure what we can do for you.  Get what makes you comfortable, and over time trade or modify depending on needs.
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2014, 09:24:26 PM »
Objections maybe, but still haven't got an answer to my original question.

Maybe a smaller A would work, I will have to look at some. Thanks

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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2014, 09:38:15 PM »
Objections maybe, but still haven't got an answer to my original question.

Maybe a smaller A would work, I will have to look at some. Thanks
Okay...kind of an answer to your original question...If you are worried about the size of the holding tanks in a class B then you probably do need a class A or C.  I have a class B on a Mercedes chassis and love it.  But, my motorhome usage is closer to 95% driving and 5% live-in.  Well, maybe closer to 50/50, but my point is you (and the "other one") really need to decide what your usage will be before you throw down cash money.  If you plan on being closer to the 95/5 usage than the 50/50 usage, a class B might not be satisfactory.
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2014, 09:44:55 PM »
Thanks Molaker. Glad you are enjoying your B. Can you give me an idea how you came up with 95/5? We probably won't gather much moss and will do quite a lot of driving with a lot of just overnight stays. May hang out for a while once we reach a destination.

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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2014, 09:52:42 PM »
Thanks Molaker. Glad you are enjoying your B. Can you give me an idea how you came up with 95/5? We probably won't gather much moss and will do quite a lot of driving with a lot of just overnight stays. May hang out for a while once we reach a destination.
Well, the 95/5 was referring to Seilerbird's post of 95% live-in and 5% driving.  My usage is nearly always one-night stands just to rest.  The rest of it is driving most anywhere I want.  That's why I said "closer to 50/50".  There are still a few places I might have to circumvent with my 9'7" vertical clearance, but with my 24' length and pretty sharp turning radius for a 140" wheelbase, I seldom have to worry.  I often drive it like the family station wagon.
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2014, 09:58:56 PM »
Cool.Thanks

Which floor plan do you have in your Era?

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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2014, 10:17:08 PM »
Cool.Thanks

Which floor plan do you have in your Era?
It's the 170X with the power sofa in the rear and 2 passenger seats behind the "cockpit".  The 170A has two fixed bunks in the rear which appealed to us, but had a rather weird half-vast sofa behind the driver that made into a bed.  We wanted the additional passenger capacity, but did not need the additional sleeping.  However, the 170A does have a better frig and kitchen set up, I think.

One thing you must be aware of before jumping in is storage space or lack thereof in most class B's.  I don't know about other mfg's, but my ERA has virtually zero external storage save for the sewer hose compartment.  There is ample overhead storage and some space under the sofa that is accessible from the rear doors, but that's about it.  It is definitely for traveling in, not living in.  For longer trips, I have toyed with the idea of a small trailer, maybe like those towed behind motorcycles.
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2014, 10:34:27 PM »
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The rest of it is driving most anywhere I want.  That's why I said "closer to 50/50".

Even over the road truck drivers don't drive 50% of the time.  More like 42/58 at most, where they're stopped 58% of the time.

You want to live like that, get a CDL and let someone else pay for the rig and the fuel.   ;)


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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2014, 10:39:41 PM »
Even over the road truck drivers don't drive 50% of the time.  More like 42/58 at most, where they're stopped 58% of the time.

You want to live like that, get a CDL and let someone else pay for the rig and the fuel.   ;)
For crying out loud, Lou.  Do I have to keep a log book to satisfy you? :)
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2014, 06:13:28 AM »
Ron - Just about everyone gets their first RV wrong. You really won't know what you want in an RV until you have used one for a year or so. Go ahead and buy a cheap little B and then come back here in a year and we will help you pick out a class A.
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2014, 09:20:53 AM »
Parking inside is a definite plus. However comparing the handling of a class B with a sports car is like comparing me to Paul McCartney as a singer.

Hi SeilerBird and Ron_CA,

Didn't know you were a better singer than Paul McCartnery Seiler! Ron_CA, when I first got on this forum I asked a similar question and SeilerBird mentioned to me that a class C would be more cost effective and have more room for my needs. He was right because after my wife looked at class B vans and then the salesman took us to see some smaller class C's, "we" were hooked on the bigger class C's.

I might add that Thor makes a small "A" class that is just out called an Axis or Vegas. It is basically situated on a Class C chassis but looks more class A. It might be the compromise you want. Not sure how tall this unit is. I do know there are class C's that are 11 foot tall and may fit into your garage. Being in the garage would save of winterizing unless you drove in winter weather. I wouldn't recommend that here as we have had about 15 days of sub zero weather.

Ultimately take your wife out and let her see the difference between models. I'd rent both out and take a week trip in each one to really see what it is like. Good luck to you and have fun.

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P.S. You might have to let the air out of the tires to fit in your garage as it shows a height of 11 foot 3 inches.
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2014, 10:26:11 AM »

Didn't know you were a better singer than Paul McCartney Seiler!
I am not a better singer than Paul, not even in his class. You misinterpreted what I was saying.
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2014, 04:55:02 PM »
Not familiar w the Airstream Interstate but per google:

Fresh water tank 26 gal.
Grey water tank 27 gal.
black water tank 16 gal.

First thing is you have to change your mind set, when on the road you are not hocked up to city water or a sewer system.  Use what you need and no more. 

We have a simple rig and the 5 gal. black tank on the Port-a-potty lasts 4-5 days.  If you can get a duel flush toilet (.5 gal for liquids) you could save a lot.  If the toiler takes 1 gal. a flush you will fill the 16 gal holding tank real fast.  You would think RV's would be on the leading edge of water conserving toilet technology.

We have 18 gal. of fresh water and that will last us 4-5 days without difficulty.  Navy showers please.

As far as recommendations....  Most everyone on this forum is a 'A', 5th wheel or maybe 'C' owners and that is what they want.  A house on wheels.  That is not what we want and you have to choice your rig based on your needs, wants, life style.  Airstream Interstate looks like a nice rig.

Good luck
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Re: Concerned about black/gray capacity
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2014, 07:49:25 PM »
Thanks Len & Jo  8)


 

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