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I grew up in southern Alberta, and had rifles on the ranch, also kept it in the gun rack in the back window of my first truck.
Times have change and the 1 % of people who caused problems were few and far between then  .. now with the huge in crease in population the 1 % is much more noticeable and problems are magnified by our instant communications and the internet.
I'm old and glad I am  lol
Howard
 
Hfx_Cdn said:
    No Tom, it is just that most of us have learned that unless we support their position, the discussion goes downhill very quickly, so we just no longer bother.  It is one of those topics that no amount of discussion seems to alter any one else's opinion.
So in another words we can discuss guns but I am not allowed to express my opinion on the subject.
 
We were a rural high school, I don't ever remember seeing anyone with a gun in their truck.  Of course people had them at home, they would hunt if they did before school and leave them there.  Or after school as most would have hunted near their own land.

I just guess it was different here.

The worse thing that happened in our high school was a guy getting some grass on fire across the parking lot from the school where some of the boys would go smoke.  We must have been a bunch of innocents or something.
 
SeilerBird said:
So in another words we can discuss guns but I am not allowed to express my opinion on the subject.

I think we can discuss almost anything and long as we do it in a civil manner.

there are several things that are hard to have a civil discussion about over the internet..

Politics
Religion
Gun control

and then there is the Caterpillar vs Cummins thing...:)
 
Most large number of fatality shootings take place in gun free zones. 

Seiler, you can voice your opinions, nothing says you can't, you just (nor anyone), can espouse everyone else is wrong.
 
SeilerBird said:
So in another words we can discuss guns but I am not allowed to express my opinion on the subject.

Tom, You've got your "Toms" mixed up.

Hfx_Cdn was replying to Tom Jones about his statement about "Some forum members consciously refrain from such discussions in the interests of maintaining harmony."

So yes you can express your opinion, just keep it civil.
 
Agree with Ken on parents failing to raise their kids. Disagree with Tony, I never got in a lick of trouble for spanking. My daughter finished high school as valadictorian, graduated college 4.0, summa cum laude and calls me from NYC a couple times a week with everything from asking boy advice to studying for medical school MCAT test stress, shes taking it today. I managed to keep her away from drugs and alcohol into college with frank conversations about ANYTHING. Windshield time is priceless. Oh the conversations we had! She is a fierce and compassionate young woman on her own in NYC. Trying to decide on an MD or an MD/PHD career. The latter being a scientist, looking for cures. She does this while suffering from Crohns disease. What a poopie disease for a pretty young woman.

Bill
 
I like this forum because for the most part people are courteous even when discussing sensitive topics. Even now I have typed four or five paragraphs that I have deleted because I don't want to ruffle feathers. So I am content with reading the opinions of others and keeping most of my opinions on the subject of guns/politics/religion to myself...retreat is the better part of valor sometimes...:)

I will say this, when I raised my sons I had an arrangement with my sons, they could look, & touch the guns we had in our house at any time they wanted (after a certain age) with one caveat I had to be there with them. I clean my guns every month, and my sons would help me. They never once violated the terms of our agreement.

I remember once my youngest son purchased a military style knife at a swap meet when he was about 13-14 years old without my permission, and he hid it from me when he got home. Being the type of boy that he was, he left the knife laying about in his room where I discovered it...I simply took the knife, thanked my son for purchasing an expensive knife for me, and I use it on all my camping trips to this very day. My son was quite angry the day he lost his knife, but as I told him, he could have purchased the knife with no problem whatsoever, had he included me in his decision at the time. From that day forward my son purchased numerous knives and such with me present and today he has a nice collection. I recently gave my son (29 y.o.) all of my long guns, since I don't enjoy the monthly cleaning and so forth and the tradition of responsible gun ownership is passed to the next generation.

 
a short story about "Child Abuse".

Keep in mind the my family and I live here in what I refer to as "the Socialist Republic of California",

My grandson Jack, being a 7 year old boy had a bruise on his arm just from being a boy.  So his teacher has a mandatory obligation to send him to the school nurse for a checkup,

The school nurse is obligated to ask him if his have parents ever "hit" him,.... Now Jack is a very honest boy, so he says.. yes.

Next day my daughter gets a visit from L.A. child protective services, they are investigating a reported child abuse case, when they asked my daughter if she has ever "hit " any of my grandsons or granddaughters before, ....she says "well yes, I have swatted them on the butts when they get out of line".

After a series of check marks in the CPS form's yes or no boxes and now,  the CPS will be doing mandatory unannounced monthly follow up visits, and my son-in-law's application for law enforcement work is in jeopardy. 

it reminds me of a quote from a former president...." the scariest words you'll ever hear...I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
 
I am pro gun, but stay out of arguments, because every one is right and the other person is wrong. 

With that said, I wonder what would have happened if just one of the 19 brave soldiers that were attacked at Ft Hood had been armed?  A military base is a gun free zone?
 
Kafn8td said:
I am pro gun, but stay out of arguments, because every one is right and the other person is wrong. 

With that said, I wonder what would have happened if just one of the 19 brave soldiers that were attacked at Ft Hood had been armed?  A military base is a gun free zone?

and, Chicago has both some of the strongest gun control laws, as well as one of the highest gun violence rates. 

they ought to just make murder illegal.....oh,.... wait.
 
Kafn8td said:
I am pro gun, but stay out of arguments, because every one is right and the other person is wrong. 

With that said, I wonder what would have happened if just one of the 19 brave soldiers that were attacked at Ft Hood had been armed?  A military base is a gun free zone?

I believe all military bases are "gun free zones".  Only military law enforcement, while on duty, are allowed to have weapons on them at all times.  Even in Viet-Nam the same rules applied on the main bases, with the exception of those regular soldiers who had guard duty.

Would you like to see everyone on military bases carrying weapons?

Paul
 
I served briefly in Vietnam and was never issued a weapon. I served as a Master-at-Arms (ship board police) aboard the USS Kitty Hawk CV63 and was never issued a weapon other than a billy club. I am pro-gun ownership, but I would oppose having military personnel armed while on base or aboard ship. Quarters are too close for everyone to be armed on a military installation. Can you imagine the First Responders reaction at Fort Hood if numerous people were armed...mayhem would break out with bullets flying everywhere.

 
there is an amusing story about an armed robbery that took place in a bar here in So. Cal.
That night the majority of the bar patrons were off duty police officers,.......you can you imagine what happened.
 
TonyDtorch said:
...I was wondering why you never heard of PTSD from the guys that landed on Omaha beach ?

I think the term used for soldiers, sailors, and marines in WWII and before was "shell shocked", but that was something different that the PTSD of today.  In every war people see horrible things, the difference, as I see it, has to do with the political part of the war.  In WWII virtually everyone agreed that the war was necessary, so what ever you saw,or what ever happened you were more likely to just accept it as a part of war, however, in subsequent wars, the political part of the war has not been so clear, especially in Viet-Nam and Iraq, so then, people ask themselves; I had to do this, or I had to see that, for what?  Part of the PTSD of today is the internal mental dissonance of being sent to a war  that you later figure out was not what you originally thought it was.

I believe another part of the PTSD of today is the fact that members in the military have such easy access to technology of today, so that they can Skype, email, or otherwise have pretty easy communication with loved ones at home on a pretty regular basis.  I can only imagine what it must be like to have been on a mission death and destruction, and then be able to Skype with loved ones a couple hours later, and then know you are going out on equally dangerous missions in the near future.  Again, there is the internal mental dissonance of being a soldier, sailor, or marine in a war one minute, then a couple of hours later being a dad, mom, brother or sister while communicating with family.

Just my observations.

Paul
 
I got out of the Army in 73,  I saw some of the damage of that war, why is it I don't recall many news stories of the PTSD related killing sprees?

back then us soldiers were socially discouraged about communicating the events of the war.
 
TonyDtorch said:
I got out of the Army in 73,  I saw some of the damage of that war, why is it I don't recall many news stories of the PTSD related killing sprees?

I believe there is a lot of PTSD from Viet-Nam, but the reaction to it has changed, and I also believe not everything that gets blamed on PTSD is really PTSD.  PTSD is just and easy excuse.

Paul
 
maybe PTSD means ...Poor Tolerance of Stress Disorder ?

ok ....sorry, I'm done
 
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