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knc1951

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1996 american eagle convertor location
« on: September 10, 2014, 07:49:06 PM »
newbee to rving. just purchased this old girl and in my quest to get familiar I am trying to locate the major componets. so far I have found most of them except for the convertor . does. anyone know the location of the convertor on this model/year coach.

Dan Walters

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2014, 09:09:17 PM »
Look under the bed in the rear bedroom.  Most of the American Coaches of that era had the converter at the foot of the rear bed.
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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2014, 09:33:30 PM »
 The converter, inverter, and transfer switch are all in the same "box" under the bed at the foot.>>>Dan
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knc1951

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2014, 09:41:41 PM »
thanks for the reply's. the only thing under my bed is the breaker panel and the power transfer switch. the inverter is located in a side bay :'(

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2014, 11:16:04 AM »
The inverter is the converter as well. It serves as battery charger, converter and inverter. Probably a unit made by Heart?
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knc1951

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2014, 11:33:54 AM »
Thanks Gary    I sure hope your right, I was about to break out the sawsall to find the darn thing. Pouring rain now but as some as it clears I will check it out. Will it say inverter/converter?

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2014, 12:35:31 PM »
Probably not. I'm all but certain that an inverter/charger was standard equipment on your 96 Eagle and, if so, it definitely functions as the converter as well. Any combination inverter & charger provides 12v conversion as part of its function. If, however, you have a standalone converter (no charging function), then you will have a converter/charger somewhere. If won't be hard to find, cause it will have major size cables to the batteries.

If you can give me the brand and model number from that inverter, I can put your mind at ease.
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knc1951

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2014, 01:40:55 PM »
Will do, as soon as weather permits, and thanks for your help.

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2014, 01:52:45 PM »
 Your "box" should be gray in color and say on the lid:    Heart interface
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  in the lower right corner it will say                              inverter/charger rating (and give the various inputs)

  This is the unit that was developed and produced for American Coach during those years, mine was built in 1997 and is still going strong, I keep it clean on the inside and keep all connections tight.>>>Dan  ( There are also five glass fuses in the lower part to check for problems)
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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2014, 06:42:48 PM »
I didn't think the Source Manager was used in 1996, and the location of the inverter away from the transfer switch suggests his coach doesn't have it. I suspect he has a standard Heart 20 or 25, which is all but identical to the inverter in the Source Manager anyway. Essentially the same components, but in multiple boxes instead of all-in-one under the bed.

This manual is two years newer but should be very close to what he has:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/135113120/Manual-Heart-Interface-freedom-25
« Last Edit: September 11, 2014, 06:45:55 PM by Gary RV Roamer »
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knc1951

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2014, 10:37:38 AM »
WELL, FINALLY GOT TO LOOK AT IT, IT IS A GO POWER ELECTRIC 3000W. ALSO IN THE COMPARTMENT IS ANOTHER BOX LABLED GPC-45.
INSIDE THE COACH NEXT TO THE MONITOR PANE IS ANOTHER PANEL  LABLED GP-SWR-B . THIS LOOKS LIKE A MONITOR PANEL AS WELL BUT CYCING THE SWICHES HAS NO APPARENT EFFECT. SO NOW IM REALLY COFUSED.

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2014, 11:46:45 AM »
OK, that is not OEM stuff. Your Eagle did not come with Go Power electronics, no way! Somebody has re-done both the inverter and the charging system.

The 3000W is a modified sine, standalone inverter with no charger or converter function. The GPC-45 provides that function - it is a "smart" charger and converter, with multi-stage charging. The GP-SWR is a remote control panel & monitor.

You can find some information on each on the Go Power web site:
http://gpelectric.com/products
http://gpelectric.com/products/smart-converter-battery-chargers (for info and manual on the GPC-45)
http://gpelectric.com/files/gpelectric/Docs/Manuals/Go_Power_MAN_GP_SWR-B-REMOTE_vC.pdf  (manual for the remote)

http://gpelectric.com/support/product-support
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knc1951

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2014, 12:04:49 PM »
Gary, cant thank you enough, just starting out this stuff can be pretty confusing and having folks like you and the rest of the nice folks on the form as a fallback in case I get in over my head is very reassuring. thanks to all.

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2014, 08:40:42 PM »
Glad to be of service! Let us know if you have further questions. And check out the RVForum Library - lot's of good info there for new RVers (and oldtimers too).
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ctjahn

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2017, 07:04:16 PM »
Howdy!

I have been reading the articles as I am a new owner of an American Eagle (1996).  It was abused and I am trying to fix it so I don't loose my assets...  I won it at an auction and it was over promised and under delivered.   Thus far I fixed an oil leak (BAD), and did a complete routine maint on it.  Fixing items one at a time.  Replaced a bunch of fuses....Then installed shorepower at my house.

I have a 1996 American Eagle.  The "Heart Interface" is showing dead. (no lights).  I plan on using it this weekend but don't want to end up dead on the road due to batteries not being kept to snuff.  The ckt breakers on the interface are ok.  All breakers checked ok.  All fuses checked ok.  (But I haven't checked the ones inside the heart interface - indicated in this article if I understand it correctly.).  If that is the case do I need to pull it from the wall mount in the belly box and open the bottom?

I have a degree in electrical engineering but 50 amp 120 is a bit scary because I have been hit by it before in a motors lab.... it hurts~  And the amount of wires is a bit much!

Also the TV's were blown, and the micro.  I hope the micro is a fuse but haven't gotten to it yet.  Fixed and replaced some dead switches and working through a bunch of stuff one item at a time!

Please help and thanks in advance!
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Alfa38User

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2017, 08:30:11 AM »
With the amount and type of stuff blown, it sounds like the previous owners may have connected to a badly wire 50 amp outlet (ie 220V from a clothes dryer type of service). This is an oft reported problem as many electricians do not understand how to correctly wire an outlet for an RV's 50 amp 120 Volt service.

It may depend a little on the distribution system. For example, does your power panel have both fuses and circuit breakers in it? If so, the converter may be skillfully hidden behind it and/or be part of that. What is the brand of that panel?  Good luck with your repairs. 
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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2017, 09:06:40 AM »
You probably have the Heart Interface "Source Manager", which will probably be under the bed. It is a combined inverter/converter/charger plus auto-transfer switch. Most of them have failed by now and they get replaced by separate components, i.e. an inverter/charger and an auto transfer switch.

This owner manual may help:
http://www.xantrex.com/documents/Discontinued-Products/Source%20Manager%20II%20Owner%27s%20Manual.pdf

Kevin Mallory, owner of Cruising America RV service and a former employee at American Coach Electrical Engineering group, has a kit for replacing defunct Source Managers. Kevin owns a '96 Eagle himself and specializes in repair and upgrades of American Coaches.
https://www.facebook.com/Cruising-America-Rv-Service-Co-190566297646802/
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mel s

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2017, 03:09:45 PM »
newbee to rving. just purchased this old girl and in my quest to get familiar I am trying to locate the major componets. so far I have found most of them except for the convertor. does. anyone know the location of the convertor on this model/year coach.

knc1951
On my BIL's '95 American Eagle the "converter" and the "battery charger" are built into the Heart Freedom 20 Inverter: http://www.xantrex.com/documents/Discontinued-Products/Freedom%20series%201.pdf

ctjahn

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2017, 10:36:34 AM »
Sorry I expected to get an email with replies.

I continue working on problem resolution. 

It is a Heart Interface 25.  I think I now have all outlets working (minus the one by the power plug in the left rear).  The big fuse was blown on the inverter between the batteries and it.  TV's still fried.   One Air Unit isn't working.  Microwave fuse replaced but didn't revive it...

My biggest issue now is the Batteries do not charge generator or via utility power.  Heart Interface is on and the remote panel is one I thought the box should be off itself with the remote on)?  But tried both ways.  NO DC amps but shows inver.  No CHARGING....  I have a "POWERSWITCH" in the rear of the coach where the power comes in for shore power.  I assume that's the transfer switch but not sure how to check that. 

I have tried looking at resetting the Heart Interface 25 but I don't see the 6 screws indicated by others to dig inside and press a red reset button.  All fuses checked out ok.  All breakers ok (under the bed) ok.  Some oher 12 volt fuses need to be found but.... the biggest issue now is that I want to reboot (reset) the Heart interface but don't know how..... (hoping that reset button is in there somewhere)....  No blown circuit breakers on the unit itself.  Havent dug into it to find any internal fuses. (Mounted on the side, in a bellybox)  8-12 screws to remove?

Will check back regularly!
Thank you
Courtney!!!
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mel s

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2017, 01:15:55 PM »
Your "box" should be gray in color and say on the lid:    Heart interface
                                                                                 source  manager
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  in the lower right corner it will say                              inverter/charger rating (and give the various inputs)

  This is the unit that was developed and produced for American Coach during those years, mine was built in 1997 and is still going strong, I keep it clean on the inside and keep all connections tight.>>>Dan  ( There are also five glass fuses in the lower part to check for problems)

utahclaimjumper (AND knc1951)
The combination inverter/converter/battery charger in my BIL's '96 Amererica Eagle looks like this:
http://216.117.131.111/3EuIe7oEiI/M1598.1.jpg

ctjahn

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2017, 07:03:55 AM »
Thanks!  I got a 25.  I presume I have to pull the top off to get to the "red reset button" indicated elsewhere....

And I presume there are fuses in it.  I just wanted to check before I start the process because it is side mounted so if I leave it in place it may be a bit of struggle to get to em. (Screws)

Cj

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2017, 09:19:41 AM »
Thanks!  I got a 25.  I presume I have to pull the top off to get to the "red reset button" indicated elsewhere....

And I presume there are fuses in it.  I just wanted to check before I start the process because it is side mounted so if I leave it in place it may be a bit of struggle to get to em. (Screws)

Cj

ctjahn
I don't know that the Heart Interface Freedom 25 inverter/charger has a "reset button"...(or "fuses in it").

However the Freedom 20 Inverter\charger in my Safari has no internal fuses... (and IF it has a reset button I've never seen, or used, it)

ctjahn

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2017, 08:41:10 AM »
So, I have a 7500 watt diesel generator or plugged into shore power.   Can I just bypass the damn thing?  Am I crazy for thinking that?

Cj

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2017, 08:57:39 AM »
ctjahn

A little more info needed. Why and what do you want to bypass??


You should really start your own thread if the subject is not really related to this one. (Use the New button instead of the "Reply" button). You will likely get a better answer!!! ;D
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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2017, 09:09:48 AM »
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So, I have a 7500 watt diesel generator or plugged into shore power.   Can I just bypass the damn thing?  Am I crazy for thinking that?

Bypass the converter/charger? No, you cannot. It provides the very necessary 12v power while using shore or genset power. Without it you have only battery power, but no battery charging either, so you quickly run out of 12v power.  12v is required by numerous things, including all lighting, thermostats, furnace, and the circuit boards for fridge & water heater. Whether on shore power or not.
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ctjahn

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2017, 07:27:52 AM »
Ended up getting a new Magnum ($$).  Should be here in a week or so.

Sucks but needed.
Thanks for the help!

Cj

ctjahn

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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2017, 05:49:27 PM »
Ok Experts!

Need some advice.  I may need to plug into a 15 amp ckt this weekend. 

I just tested it and set the input to 15 on the new Magna Sine to 15 amp input, and I was able to run the heat, lights, Micro and more, but it was drawing between 15 and 20 amps. (running on a standard  house plug while plugged into a GFCI outlet rated at 15-  amazingly didn't blow).  Monitoring power consumption through the interface, and logic/reason would lead me to believe that if I kept it up I would drain the batteries flat because the input is being exceeded by the output.....

IS my hypothesis correct? Please advise.  Don't want to get stranded like I did before when the coach/main batteries died and I needed to charge all day to start it and drive home.  (running on generator with the old inverter which I don't think was charging the batteries).  Prefer to run on shore to avoid the noise.

Need to know asap so I can plan accordingly.
Thx in advance!
Cj





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Re: 1996 american eagle convertor location
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2017, 09:48:00 AM »
Setting the Magnum to 15A input probably doesn't limit what the coach can draw from shore power - it just advises the Magnum to hold its own demand lower. typically it just limits the 12v conversion and charging functions.  Other coach 120v power demands are unaffected. What model Magnum inverter/charger did you get? Some models can supplement shore power using battery/inverting but many do not.

A GFCI doesn't "blow" on high amps - that is the job of the circuit breaker that feeds power to the outlet. Must have been at least a 20A breaker. If you have a 20A breaker feeding power to 15A outlets, you can melt an outlet or the wiring to it by demanding more than the 15A max for each outlet.

What amps were your reading? The Magnum remote has various displays - are you sure you were reading the 120vac amps and not DC amps?
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