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Question about pay for workcamping
« on: January 09, 2015, 12:20:48 PM »
I talked to the manager of the park I'm staying at as the whether they ever hire work campers and he said that they haven't in the past but this summer, he wants to go to Corporate and try to get approval to hire some next winter during their busy season. We're in mid Florida. I'm thinking about applying for a position but I've got a couple of questions. This is all new for me. 

Currently, I'm paying $196.00 per week to stay on a site with 3 way hook ups and pretty good WIFI. If you divide that $196.00 by 24 hrs., that comes up to $8.16 per hour and if you divide it by 32 hrs. you come up with $6.12 per hour. Would working 24 hrs. be a fair exchange for services in order to get the site for free or would the 32 hrs. be more appropriate.

The other option is to get paid an hourly wage. Anyone know what a fair hourly wage would be. I really don't want to get paid that way because I don't want to contend with state taxes, federal taxes, Medicaid and Social security. If I have to, what is the minimum wage for Florida?  My experience level is I can do most rough and some finish carpentry, painting, basic electrical, I can operate heavy equipment, operate a chainsaw, I am very mechanically inclined to be able to work on most any mechanical device.  I also have basic computer skills. Thanks for all responses.   ;)
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2015, 01:10:08 PM »
You should get at least the equivalent of minimum wage, which is $8.05 in Florida. I would try to get fewer hours if I worked at a higher skill level. But, in a prime area like Florida, you will have a lot of competition and that will drive the equivalent wage  down, meaning more hours worked. 
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2015, 01:17:55 PM »
I've thought about this; but as a contractor of some 35 years the going rates for my skills are in the $100 to $150 per hour range.

I used to fix minor plumbing problems while camping just so I could flush or take a decent shower. I stopped that a while ago when I found myself restoring power to half the camp without so much as a handshake from the camp owner. Now I travel without many tools.
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2015, 08:17:21 AM »
"Pay" is usually commensurate with the duties and you didn't describe what those are. A "greeter" is less valuable (lower skilled) than, say, an all-around handyman/helper. Cleaning bathrooms is less desirable work than mowing lawns, so usually pays a bit better. Few get much more than minimum wage, though ($8.40 in Florida).

In many campgrounds, you get regular hourly wages but pay for your own campsite. That avoids any issues with the IRS over taxable status and with the state/federal minimum wage bureaucracies over payscale.
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2015, 08:28:19 AM »
Don't assume that if your pay is a free site, that you won't get a 1099 at the end of the year.  The IRS insists that "employers" assign fair value to things that are in place of wages so they can be taxed.  I suppose it depends on what that park owner does but he is also cheating himself of a business deduction if he doesn't file it on his business tax return.

Remember when car salesmen who got free cars as part of their job started having to pay tax on the value of that benefit? 
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2015, 09:12:26 AM »
One reply I received said that minimum wage in Florida is $8.05 and another was $8.40. Why the discrepancy? Where can I go to find out what it actually is?

Update: I did a search and found the answer. It's $8.05 in Florida.
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2015, 01:57:20 PM »
I was thinking of bringing tools and some basic RV parts with a sign outside the door for RV Repairs.  After reading a couple of these maybe I don't want to do that.  I can see it being a 24hr job I'm trying to retire,  but I have to stay somewhat busy.
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2015, 02:56:28 PM »
Jere, hanging out your shingle is often frowned upon by RV parks.  Some have bulletin boards where you can put a notice if you want to work.  Others have business cards available.  Even on BLM (Bureau of Land Management) lands you might be told to remove your sign.  In any case, I would suggest you talking to the owner/host about their view on such activity.

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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2015, 10:41:14 PM »
The sign would be on the side of the truck, but maybe I'll just use what works in my business now..word of mouth. That way I won't have to work much.
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2015, 10:21:54 AM »
Some parks don't even allow you to work on your own RV, let alone someone else's. Typically any & old "RV repair" is banned but the park turns a blind eye toward minor work or "emergency" repairs.
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2015, 10:32:09 AM »
Hey, you guys just "HIGHJACKED" my post!!!!  >:(  Just kidding.  ;D  Have a great day everyone.
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2015, 10:51:05 AM »
 
Hey, you guys just "HIGHJACKED" my post!!!!  >:(  Just kidding.  ;D  Have a great day everyone.

You might just have to go to Tom Horton's for a cup of coffee.  ;D ;D ;D   Or is it Tim Horton's?
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2015, 10:55:35 AM »
How did we get from "Work Camping" to drinking coffee especially where I don't even drink the stuff?   ???
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2015, 01:28:49 PM »
Hey, you guys just "HIGHJACKED" my post!!!!  >:(  Just kidding.  ;D  Have a great day everyone.
Well at least it is your post. When you start negotiating with the campground I would ask for the moon. Your site free and a hourly rate. Plus incentives for working more hoers or longer hoers, or more duties.   
I guess you will have to see what they offer to see if it is worth doing.
No coffee so is it tea or wine?
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2015, 02:07:14 PM »
Well at least it is your post. When you start negotiating with the campground I would ask for the moon. Your site free and a hourly rate. Plus incentives for working more hoers or longer hoers, or more duties.   
I guess you will have to see what they offer to see if it is worth doing.
No coffee so is it tea or wine?
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2015, 03:39:04 PM »
Workamping is basically a convenience for the parties involved. You don't get rich.

The hours versus the rent always work out to a dismal amount, but hey, typically no commute, no taxes, and generally some flexibility and odd perks. I've enjoyed workamping and only received the rent in exchange. I was happy enough most times.

It was convenient and I enjoyed it mostly.

About the 1099...  It's very complicated but generally if you are required to live where you work, then you aren't taxed on that. Hence the vast majority of workamping doesn't fall under 1099 rules until cash changes hands. 

I've been to numerous parks where working on your own RV or hiring someone to work on yours was quite acceptable. Many mobile RV specialists would be bankrupt if they couldn't work in the parks on RV's. We're not talking about rebuilding one stem to stern, but making minor and yes I've seen even major repairs.

I've also seen loads of folks with signage on their RV or car or both about their business. Not a problem there either, you can't repaint the truck cause you're going camping. Some transient workers live in their RV's full time and move with the work load. Many are sub contractors with signage on their vehicles.

Of course I am not staying in the high end parks with mile long rules either, but I am not camping in the slums. Most places are very flexible and reasonable. Just a few high end parks have a long list of rules that make living a bit inconvenient at times.
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2015, 04:45:47 PM »
When it comes to RV repairs.

Some parks do not allow work to be done except emergency repairs to get it out of the park to a proper licensed facility
Some let you work on your own
Some allow any repair service in
Some only allow selected services (HINT) some folks pay kickbacks to the park manager) in.

Many parks will not allow you to "Advertise" (hang out a sign) in a park

Since my standard rate is a full cup of coffee.. (I do not get paid) when I work on an RV, Never had a problem.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2015, 08:24:13 AM »
There is a wide range of attitude from campground to campground. I had them come tell me "no washing your RV" when I was washing the windshield using a pistol grip spray bottle. Then have ben reminded that they had a area with every thing you needed to wash your rig.
The only repair I have had to do was replace the plastic drain plug in the hot water heater. I have seen several Mobil repair serveries working in parks also RV wash serveries.
But back to what Rene was talking about. I would be carful that you don't end up working harder than you were before you retired for a lot less.
 Rene, stop by I have cold beverages available. ;D
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2015, 08:29:20 AM »
But back to what Rene was talking about. I would be carful that you don't end up working harder than you were before you retired for a lot less.
 Rene, stop by I have cold beverages available. ;D
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I was thinking of doing it just to have something to do.  Thanks for the offer Bill, but you're just a tad out of the way. I'm in Lakeland FL
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2015, 08:41:34 AM »
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One reply I received said that minimum wage in Florida is $8.05 and another was $8.40. Why the discrepancy? Where can I go to find out what it actually is?

Update: I did a search and found the answer. It's $8.05 in Florida.

Mea Culpa, Rene. Sorry for the erroneous info.  It is indeed $8.05 as of 1/1/2015.
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2015, 09:16:01 AM »
You let me down Gary. I think this is the first mistake you've made on this Forum for at least as long that I've been a member.   ;D  Have a great Florida day.   Hopefully the weather will be a lot better than it was last night.   :(
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2015, 11:45:29 AM »
DARN - my halo is so tarnished! 
I was recently reading about increases in state minimum wages that took effect in 2015 and thought I remembered Florida was up to $8.40, but I must have mixed it up with another state. Or maybe the article was wrong?
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2015, 11:47:59 AM »
Now we are even, Gary. You straightened me out about two GFC outlets being in the same circuit a couple of years ago. And, I have not forgotten how polite you were about telling me I was wrong. I am glad you are on the staff and, like Rene, have not seen you give out bad information before.
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2015, 12:27:57 PM »
One of the advantages of a forum such as this is multiple members.. Now Gary is usually very good.. I try but he is better.


However should one of us goof.. Usually there are 2 or 3 others who will jump in with corrections.

Oh well.. This has been a good week for me.. Two people had problems with hardware I am far too familiar with so I was able to figure it out remotely and hit it on the head...

Of course..  Helps that I have the same hardware,, and in one case the same problem (in the other case there the problem was a misunderstand,,, one I know about from reading and I was only 90% accurate there (The remaining 10% did not matter, I qualified a statment with "There may be exceptions" turns out there are not).

Gary does better than me though.
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2015, 01:11:39 PM »
DARN - my halo is so tarnished! 
I was recently reading about increases in state minimum wages that took effect in 2015 and thought I remembered Florida was up to $8.40, but I must have mixed it up with another state. Or maybe the article was wrong?

I'm OK with blaming it on the article.   ;D ;)
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2015, 04:23:15 PM »
In light of this, I'm afraid we have to reduce Gary's salary to $0.00. That's a 0% reduction.
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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2015, 05:18:50 PM »
Oh, take pity on the guy and give him a 100% raise.  Of course, that's still $0.00.

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LOL Margi, OK I'll give him 100% raise  ;D
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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2015, 07:32:49 AM »
I was thinking of doing it just to have something to do. 

Keep looking around, there are some enjoyable workamping situations to be had. :)

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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2015, 08:25:53 AM »
I haven't talked with this guy in a long time, but he voluntered to work in Bible camps  on his way to and from Florida every year.  He would park at a camp for free in exchange for doing odd jobs for them for a week or 2 and then move on to another camp.  It would take him a month or more to get to Florida and the same getting back to Minnesota for the summer.  The camp would givehim a place to park, electricity, sewer, and usually meals in exchange for labor.

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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2015, 08:27:36 AM »
I'm well short of omniscient and can think of at least a couple errors I've made in the past year. They usually get caught quickly enough.

I usually know better than to trust my memory of an isolated fact and typically do a quick Google to verify anything before I post, but this time I shot from the hip. And hit my foot!
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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2015, 08:45:13 AM »
A couple of issues that are rarely mentioned in discussions like this one are coverage for on the job injuries and liability insurance if a visitor should file a law suit against you or the campground. If you are working under the table for a free site, you may be on your own should either situation occur. When providing repair services, there could also be liability issues as well as business licensing and sales tax collection on parts and or services depending on state and local laws.

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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2015, 09:35:04 AM »
WOW, sometimes we miss the question.  Many places give you your site and min. wage for the state you are in.  It can get complicated, but you are worth what you are worth and that you must get!  Unless you are retired and wanting to get some additional income to support existing retirement income.  Free rent and hookups is a pretty good deal.  I value that between $500.00/month and $600.00/Month.  That in State Parks usually is earned with 20-24 hours a week.  Fair? it is if you accept it!  Consider the work, usually in state parks you sell fire wood, collect fees and answer questions!   Private parks requiring Rest Room cleaning, physical maintenance work or administrative work pay min wage for hours worked.  Sometimes your site is your first 20-24 hours and pay begins after that!

Decide what you can live with, negotiate clearly and put it in writing.  Make certain you or the employer can terminate with short notice.  It is better to get out early if you feel need than to hurt an otherwise good friendship.

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Re: Question about pay for workcamping
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2015, 10:41:51 AM »
When it comes to work camping, It is never about the money you make, but the money you save...
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