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2005 Itasca Horizon 40AD - new flooring project
« on: February 17, 2015, 08:06:03 PM »
We arrived Sunday in Weatherford, TX at Ernie Eckberg's place for new flooring.  Jane had to drive back home (about 260 miles) since she volunteers in the local library and left me on my own for a week.  Hopefully I won't poison myself or ruin her galley stuff while I'm batching it, thankfully I did get directions on how to use the oven feature in the Advantium microwave/oven  :D.

Monday morning we did the usual routine of picking out engineered wood at a nearby flooring business and treads for the entry steps at a place in Ft. Worth.  Most of the wood samples were dark and featured the distressed look (like an old barn or hardware store floor) - wasn't interested in that.  We did find a light colored wood (Mohawk Sheridan Maple) that will keep the interior nice and bright (we took off a large cabinet door with us when we picked out the flooring.)  Ernie calculated we would need 270 sq.ft. so that and some nosing came to $1,614 with tax.

Monday afternoon Ernie and I began chipping out tile and it was going slowly - I thought this would take years but after a full day of work today, we got a bunch of the tile chipped up.  The very tedious job is chiseling the thinset tile cement down to avoid bumbs/humps/ridges when the new flooring is put down.

The power recliner sofa we decided is history - neither of us have ever liked it, Jane hates the busy fabric pattern.  In its place will be two La Z Boy Harbor Town rocker/recliners in Platinum (B127335) fabric, Jane just ordered these today with a 6-8 week delivery.

Since I had to remove our fixed table, we both like how that has opened up the salon and I'm seriously considering leaving it out and engineering a pull-out table from the Corian buffet/cabinetry where the old table lived.  Update.. just talked with DW and we're leaving the table permanently out so I'll have to come up with a plan for a pull-out replacement.

More tile chipping tomorrow  :P.

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2015, 06:10:44 PM »
We had a good full day of work again and Ernie had a friend joining in on the fun - he didn't want to chip tile so I think this isn't his first rodeo  :D.  There is just a little bit of tile left at the entryway and some by the potty, the potty needs to come out before I can tackle that.

Ernie and Bim (the helper) disassembled the recliner couch and removed it in pieces and then most of the carpet was pulled up.  Our wood should arrive tomorrow, I'll be anxious to see what it looks like.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2015, 08:03:44 PM »
glad my shirt was tucked in~
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 06:48:19 PM »
glad my shirt was tucked in~
You're always well dressed Ernie!  :D

Some of the day was spent running around, we went to the Mohawk warehouse somewhere near the DFW airport to pick up some of the flooring, for some odd reason only some of the flooring arrives - five boxes worth and the nose trip.  We also picked up a toilet flange seal for when the potty gets re-installed.

And of course, some of our least favorite activity happened today - more work with a chisel trying to get up the tile thinset cement.  It's tedious work but the end of that is at least in sight.  There will be more chisel work tomorrow and I don't know what else we will get to.
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Re: 2005 Itasca Horizon 40AD - new flooring project
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 03:28:47 PM »
looking good- untuck the shirt if you do plumbing, it seems to help.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 05:16:27 PM »
looking good- untuck the shirt if you do plumbing, it seems to help.
Page 42 of the Plumber's Handbook  ;).

Another couple hours of chipping thinset cement <sigh> today.  Ernie uses an inspection camera to locate slide rollers (accommodating slides is the very trick part of flooring an RV) but his camera broke so we went to Home Depot and he bought a new one this morning.  We both love looking at tools so we checked out a Bosch sliding miter saw I was recommending to him (my 2014 Christmas present to myself) and he got to see it in person.  I was also recommending Milwaukee cordless tools and did a show and tell at the Milwaukee display.  To demonstrate my commitment to Milwaukee, I bought a 12V right angle drill/driver right in front of him  :D wow, that was fun.  Hopefully he will follow the lead and ditch his centuries-old DeWalt NiCad right angle drill for a modern Milwaukee LiIon version.

Back to the project...

Ernie was spreading some floor patch today and after lunch we made the last trip to the Mohawk warehouse to pick up the final boxes of the flooring.  As promised, the lot numbers matched and all of the flooring should look the same.  There's a little thinset chipping left, the head needs to be removed and that area worked on (I have to leave for a few days Sunday) so Ernie can do that while I'm gone.  The bedroom (aft cabin for you nautical types) carpet needs to be pulled up.

Thoughts...

I am so glad I didn't attempt this project myself.  I've done a bunch of mods and improvements on our Horizon over the last ten years but I was very reticent to attempt this myself and boy was that a good great decision.  There is expertise involved as to knowing what works and what doesn't work and especially how to deal with slides.  Thoroughly happy with letting Ernie being the lead on this project and me being the day laborer.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2015, 05:58:13 PM »
We (Ernie, helper Bim, and me) got in a full day's work today with great progress.  Work accomplished today:

- More floor patch in the entryway area

- More thinset tile cement chipped out of the bathroom/shower area (we must have two or three man-days of chipping this very small area - seriously!)

- Bim removed the carpet in the aft cabin (bedroom) and I helped him figure out how to remove the dresser from the wall to pull the carpet out

- Ernie spent a couple of hours fitting nose trim around the entrance stairwell - when the step cover was extended it hit some trim so it took a bit of fiddling to work around that

- After Ernie got that figured out, he started putting a few planks down - whoo-hoo!

I have to put in a little pat on Ernie's back at this point.  I'm a very particular craftsman where it matters, i.e., where something will be obvious to the eye or very particular where something has to work correctly every time.  Ernie pays very close attention to detail - we are birds of a feather.  It's so refreshing to have somebody that cares about the quality of their work.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2015, 06:13:24 PM »
nice job on picking the flooring and color- it will look great when your done. I can see that you are staying out of trouble while the DW is gone! been enjoying the pictures.
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2015, 06:25:58 PM »
Thanks Steve!  Too busy to get into trouble  :P.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2015, 06:19:43 AM »
new maple in John Canfields' Itasca
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2015, 07:17:37 AM »
I had to leave the coach  :P to go to doctor's appointments this week so I'll have to rely on Ernie for updates.  The maple is a great contrast to the cherry cabinetry - exactly the look we were shooting for.  Thanks for the pictures Ernie!  (And thanks for your craftsmanship!)
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2015, 06:07:49 PM »
more photos from today
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2015, 07:38:20 PM »
Looks fantastic Ernie!  It gets exponentially better looking every day  :D.
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2015, 10:16:09 AM »
it is looking awesome- great fit and finish. looking forward to seeing the final results.
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2015, 06:18:33 AM »
more progress
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2015, 06:40:35 AM »
Nice looking work.
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2015, 07:42:15 AM »
Oh my, this is looking better and better every day - it's killing me to not see it in person  :P.
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2015, 04:46:39 PM »
progress:
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2015, 06:10:44 AM »
wood on the slide
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2015, 08:21:28 AM »
wood on the slide

Ernie,
I see that there has to be a space between the floor and the bottom of the wood for the slide. How do you keep the wood from cracking at the joints if you just happen to step on the edge of the slide floor?  It would have the tendency to flex I would think.   ::)
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2015, 06:47:22 PM »
The only way wood can be added to the slide is by adding a layer of plywood. The layer can vary in thickness due to the configuration of your slide, type of wood installed and type and dimensions of the stair nose trim used. By adding all this on the slide, there is some deflection when the slide is retracted and I caution clients on this. The strength is when the slide is deployed and rests on the main floor.
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2015, 06:49:22 PM »
with 99% completion:
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2015, 08:51:38 PM »
The only way wood can be added to the slide is by adding a layer of plywood. The layer can vary in thickness due to the configuration of your slide, type of wood installed and type and dimensions of the stair nose trim used. By adding all this on the slide, there is some deflection when the slide is retracted and I caution clients on this. The strength is when the slide is deployed and rests on the main floor.

Have you had any issues with slide operation by adding all this extra weight?  What's the dimension of the gap when the slide is retracted?  Could you just locate like maybe a rubber block to slide in the gap just during travel
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Re: 2005 Itasca Horizon 40AD - new flooring project
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2015, 09:53:47 PM »
Looking good John, you took it to the right guy. its one thing to hear how good someone is, but it's awhole different ball game when you see how good he is. Someday Ernie I will have the time and money to come see you. great job.

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2015, 06:04:51 AM »
with all the tile removed at 5+ pounds per square foot,, the weight of the wood is a non issue. I give clients pieces of LVT planks to put under the side when it is retracted in case the side is running low.
I have installed 6, 3/4 inch planks
The gap when closed is around the same as when it had carpet wrapped on it.
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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2015, 07:07:13 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2015, 07:41:25 AM »
Ernie's craftsmanship is great, but what really impresses me is that he can stand after kneeing with his legs tucked under him like that while he works.   
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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2015, 11:39:48 AM »
Looks nice John. What a difference! Great job Ernie.

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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2015, 05:31:53 PM »
Ernie's craftsmanship is great, but what really impresses me is that he can stand after kneeing with his legs tucked under him like that while he works.
and-- after 43 years in the business, with no knee pads- pretty good for old geezer
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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2015, 09:25:49 AM »
Ernie's craftsmanship is great, but what really impresses me is that he can stand after kneeing with his legs tucked under him like that while he works.
Ernie's version of Yoga  ;D.

It all looks so great!  We had to leave the coach with Ernie due to prior commitments so we are very anxious to see it in person.
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« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2015, 11:22:08 AM »
So, John, do you mind sharing the total cost of this project? 

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« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2015, 07:22:20 PM »
No, not at all.  Ernie charges $300 a day for labor and our engineered flooring was less than $2k - forgot the exact amount.  Then some odds 'n ends which were less than $500.  I think we'll have around $5k in the entire project.
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« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2015, 07:48:27 PM »
Thanks John.
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2015, 07:06:00 AM »
Finally had some decent weather to completed the complicated entry.
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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2015, 09:36:28 AM »
That looks super Ernie! Fantastic job - we now have a brand-new coach!  ;D
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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2015, 12:22:13 PM »
congrats on the new flooring. wife and I found some dark cherry flooring at lowes that we really like, but it is a lamente snap lock was wondering if it would work in the mh or if the floor needed to be glued down?
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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2015, 06:12:10 AM »
Since I like to cut the material tight against the walls, that is why I adhere the engineered wood. The snap lock system has you angle the whole row of material and fold it down. That is why it is not possible to cut it against the walls and trim must be used. Ok for a S & B home
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« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2015, 06:46:41 AM »
Ernie, great looking job.

John, congratulations on your new "look", it is certainly a nice investment, and I love the entryway and your choice of color.

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« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2015, 08:31:49 AM »
Thanks John!  Unfortunately the entry area needs to be redone, Ernie didn't realize the two middle steps are hinged to provide access to the HWH pump/reservoir/solenoid unit.  We'll head there after we leave Moab in early May.
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« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2015, 08:53:50 AM »
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wife and I found some dark cherry flooring at lowes that we really like, but it is a lamente snap lock was wondering if it would work in the mh or if the floor needed to be glued down?

I don't see any problem with it, but you do have to use trim moldings if the floor is floating (not glued down). Fitting moldings around the entry steps can be tedious and may have some tripping potential if the moldings are thick. If you have a flush floor slide, you also need to look under the lip of the slide and figure out how to lock down the edge of the laminate underneath it. Just how you would do that depends on the design of the slide.
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« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2015, 03:41:30 PM »
Wow John .... what a huge project, man-hours wise.  At least if we do ours, we won't have the tile chipping/thinset cement phase to deal with.  We have carpet and linoleum.  Probably have a bunch of other headaches to deal with tho.

Sure hope we get a firsthand look-see if the timing works out to meet up in Tucson.   

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« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2015, 05:22:34 PM »
Thanks John!  Unfortunately the entry area needs to be redone, Ernie didn't realize the two middle steps are hinged to provide access to the HWH pump/reservoir/solenoid unit.  We'll head there after we leave Moab in early May.
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« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2015, 07:53:21 AM »
Wow John .... what a huge project, man-hours wise.  At least if we do ours, we won't have the tile chipping/thinset cement phase to deal with.  We have carpet and linoleum.  Probably have a bunch of other headaches to deal with tho.

Sure hope we get a firsthand look-see if the timing works out to meet up in Tucson.   

OBTW....I think you're married to this coach for life now  ;D ;D ;D
Oh my, chipping the tile was a bunch of work and in some areas the thinset cement was like epoxy.  Getting your old flooring up would be easy-peasy.  Hope we can hook up with you in Tucson!

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« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2015, 07:59:27 AM »
so I would probably better off buying engineered or real would flooring an not messing with this snap lock stuff. :-\ thanks for the info. ;)
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2015, 11:13:46 AM »
Update:

We stopped by Weatherford (Ernie's place) to have the entryway tweaked last week so the two middle steps can be raised and the fix was really easy.  When the treads were pulled off the step, the step would raise up - it cleared the wood on the sides  :D.  The other step hit the nose trim and Ernie had to notch the metal step corners a little bit so the step be raised almost to its original open position.  Then the new treads were simply re-inserted on the step - the wood trim captured the tread ends and a little Velcro held the front lip of the tread down.  A simple yet elegant fix.

This Monday the furniture store delivered the two new La-Z-Boy recliners we ordered mid February.  From time of order placed to delivery to the store took ten weeks  :P.  Of course we were in Utah when the recliners came in.  Jane picked out a great fabric to compliment the interior - the recliners look great!

Here's a couple of pictures of the new recliners.  Note the slides are retracted for the pictures, the salon looks huge with the slides extended (and since we didn't re-install the original table.)  We're using "TV" tray tables for dining and those have worked out really, really well.  On my coach to-do list is to make a pull-out table to replace the original one - I'll use this for the keyboard/mouse and maybe for dining if I can make it large enough.
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Re: 2005 Itasca Horizon 40AD - new flooring project
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2015, 03:45:39 PM »
Nice John! I wish our motorhome had that much room with the slides in. Ours is barely usable...  barely.

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« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2015, 03:59:58 PM »
Kev - yup.  The designers sacrificed slides-in room for maximum area with slides out with the newer models.  Also I think they pushed the interior space down a bit which took up some basement space compared to older models.
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« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2015, 06:00:20 PM »
 it really looks great- very nice job!
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Re: 2005 Itasca Horizon 40AD - new flooring project
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2015, 09:56:51 PM »
Nice looking chairs John.  I love the wood accent on the arms.

Will you be able to secure the chairs while traveling?  I assume they have to be moved away from the wall to recline.  Are they rocker-recliners? ...with (no) swivel?   

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« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2015, 06:14:13 AM »
Nice looking chairs. Seem to have seen one of those before~
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« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2015, 07:47:07 AM »
Thanks for the kind remarks.

..Will you be able to secure the chairs while traveling?  I assume they have to be moved away from the wall to recline.  Are they rocker-recliners? ...with (no) swivel?  ..
Bill - yes, they will be secured with the leftover seat belts from the old recliner couch.  The chairs are rocker-recliner (no swivel, that's not a good idea!) and do need to be pulled out a bit from the wall to recline.  The chairs immediately felt comfortable when I sat in one when shopping - there's a nice lumbar support cushion area that is kind to my back.

First exposure to the recliner was in Ernie's Bluebird bus, I'm just following the herd  :D.
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« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2015, 03:27:54 PM »
Sorry to bring this thread back up and if i am asking questions in the wrong place, please let me know.  Now that the disclaimers are out of the way, I would like to ask a couple questions  about this flooring project as I may need to do this in the near future. 

As this is not the "floating floor" like the household laminate flooring common in the last several years, what exactly is it?  Is the flooring adhered to the base with glue? Cement?  Is it self adhering?  Why is it important to know where the slide tracks are? 

I'm sorry if these are rookie type questions but I am less than a rookie.  I am in the process of buying a 2006 Coachman Encore 40ts.  This will be my first motorhome and I would like to update the interior to suit my needs.  I'm sure I will have many more rookie questions. Thanks for all the photos and descriptions here as they are invaluable.

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« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2015, 06:09:05 AM »
The material is engineered wood, adhered with urethane adhesive. The first thing to observe is what type of slide do you have. From there we can go forward with your project
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« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2015, 09:23:47 AM »
Thank you Mr. Ekberg.  As soon as I get the MH I will start a new thread with the slide info and more questions.  Thank you very much.

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« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2016, 12:19:28 AM »
Hi John, new to the forum but have benefited greatly from your posts, thank you! 
Love the flooring project pics but wondered if you did away with your table?
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« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2016, 08:53:05 AM »
Sure did!  I built a pull-out table - project write-up here.
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« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2016, 05:50:01 PM »
One of these days, I'd like to see Johns' shop when we are in Fredricksburg
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« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2016, 07:14:39 PM »
Come on down Ernie! (When we're there ;) )  Love to show you around!
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Re: 2005 Itasca Horizon 40AD - new flooring project
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2016, 12:47:21 PM »
The material is engineered wood, adhered with urethane adhesive. The first thing to observe is what type of slide do you have. From there we can go forward with your project

This has been a very helpful post. Thanks.  Couple of questions from another novice. Still in the dreaming stage. MH (2004 Fleetwood Flair) is stored in Cottonwood AZ and have been unsuccessful in locating a pro for assistance.  During your prep you removed the jack seat - anything else? Did you take out the kitchen cabinets? Walls that separate the bathroom? I don't have a slide, so that will make things easier, but what about getting the linoleum out from under the built in dinette seats? Carpet under the bed? Leave it? Rip it out? Engine cover is also carpeted - leave it carpeted or is there another treatment you can recommend? Why glue down vs floating? Seems glue down would buckle and split with temperature changes and vibrations, or am I looking at it wrong?
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« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2016, 05:02:21 PM »
wow- lot of questions
I remove the captains chairs, the sofa and the booth- never touch walls or cabinets
Cut the carpet around the bed base
recarpet the doghouse
I adhere ALL my engineered wood with urethane adhesive. That is my choice of installation which means I can cut the wood tight against the cabinets, walls, etc.
when the urethane has gone thru its curing stage there is never an issue. heat, vibration never an issue- I have had zero call back using this installation method that is why I stick with it
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« Reply #60 on: December 31, 2016, 11:39:45 AM »
The flooring looks great. I have decided to do something very similar to my Ultimate Advantage. It's hard to see, is your slide out is flush with the main floor ? The slide on my U A is elevated a couple of inches but it is hidden by the sofa. Is the transition between the slide and main floor an issue ? Also is your installation " free floating " or did you glue down the wood flooring ? I am getting varied opinions about glued down vs. " free floating ". Thanks !

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« Reply #61 on: January 01, 2017, 09:12:18 AM »
My large slide was flush to the floor but now it has bull nose edge trim so it's up a bit off the mail floor. Ernie uses an adhesive to on the flooring. First he uses a spreadable filler on the plywood to level it out, then the adhesive, then the flooring.
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« Reply #62 on: January 01, 2017, 01:56:41 PM »
Thanks John. I'm glad to hear it is glued down and hopefully have had no issues with expansion and contraction of the wood. I just couldn't come up with a way to make it work using the free floating installation as opposed to glue down.

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« Reply #63 on: January 01, 2017, 06:06:43 PM »
I have adhered all the engineered wood products for years without any issues. I won't install anything floating- guess I'm too old to learn at 69. I work with what has been the best method for trouble free installation.
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« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2017, 08:30:59 AM »
Ernie's way of doing things are well proven  :D.
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« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2017, 10:57:35 AM »
That's good to hear Ernie and confirms that this is how I want to do mine. Again excellent job and I will be referring back to the post for information as I tackle the project. My biggest obstacle now will be trying to time the job with the weather conditions. Everything I have read states to keep the RV and the flooring at above 60 degrees for a few days before installation. I may put a couple of ceramic space heaters inside to warm things up.

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« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2017, 04:26:50 PM »
You need at least 60 degrees on the floor-- that is the most important thing as the adhesive is designed to cure at that or above temperature. Also- you must keep it warm after the installation for a few days. Some adhesives take longer. The urethane adhesive I use has no water in it and uses moisture in the air to cure.
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« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2017, 05:20:23 PM »
Do you mind if I ask the particular urethane adhesive that you use ?

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« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2017, 06:13:04 AM »
Powerhold, Stauf, Roberts, all make quality adhesives. Use the proper trowel listed on side label for correct amount of adhesive. I use to spread the floor- which is the method of installation in a home, but now I butter the back of each board and install it immediately. You do not want the adhesive to flash dry as it has already started its' curing process. Clean up with laquer thinner or mineral spirits. If all this seems daunting- bring it to me.
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« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2017, 12:04:38 PM »
Thanks again Ernie. It may come to that ! LoL. Actually I have an extensive background in home construction. My main reason for some of these questions is to find out how relevant that is to work being performed on my RV. I have installed a lot of both 3/4 " tongue and groove to the new laminates. I live in a climate ( Ohio ) where we have dramatic weather changes. Just a few weeks ago we had 3 " of snow, a couple of days later it was 71 degrees. The next morning it was 28 degrees. The joke is if you don't like Ohio weather just wait 10 minutes and it will change. Expansion and contraction of the flooring is my main concern, especially with the wood flooring glued down. Is there a big difference between polyurethane and regular urethane adhesives ? I have used the Loctite brand PL adhesives in a tube form with good luck on other projects but " buttering " the strips might be a bit more difficult . Again thanks for you time and expertise !

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« Reply #70 on: January 03, 2017, 04:52:47 PM »
The reason I like engineered wood so much, once you adhere it with urethane adhesive and the adhesive cures the wood does nothing but lay there. It does not cup on the edges like 3/4 wood does when there is excessive moisture. I have used all kinds of urethane adhesives. The acrylic urethane does not make a thick dry membrane in the bucket, which is a lot of waste
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« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2017, 05:11:38 PM »
Again Thank you Ernie for all of your valuable information. I will try to post pictures during the make over. All the upholstery i.e window treatments, dining room chairs, jackknife sofa, back splash tile, etc will be changed out to keep the Lady of the Coach happy !  What have I gotten myself into !!  LoL  This is a before shot of the bedroom and main salon before I start ..... providing I get them to transfer .

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« Reply #72 on: January 04, 2017, 08:13:36 AM »
If you are going to replace furniture, better get the replacements ordered at least two months in advance. We replaced our dual recliner sofa/Euro recliner chair with two small matching La-z-boy recliners that we had to order. Took TEN weeks to finally get them.
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« Reply #73 on: January 04, 2017, 10:58:16 AM »
The reason I like engineered wood so much, once you adhere it with urethane adhesive and the adhesive cures the wood does nothing but lay there. It does not cup on the edges like 3/4 wood does when there is excessive moisture. I have used all kinds of urethane adhesives. The acrylic urethane does not make a thick dry membrane in the bucket, which is a lot of waste
I installed a floor with cheap material and it blistered with just a drop of water. You couldn't get to the spill fast enough to stop it from blistering. It was a learning experience. Luckily it was in my sticks n bricks (which has been sold) and not in my coach.
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« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2017, 12:07:35 PM »
John thanks for the heads up regarding delivery time on new furniture orders. I will be reupholstering the existing sofa and leaving the J sofa alone. I don't know why but the jack knife sofa on the slide out side and the window valences fabrics are in like new condition but the fabric looks like something out oh the 60's or 70's. The wife and I want something a little more to our taste. Also the height of the back of the sofa is only 32 inches and everything else I have looked at is much taller and would block much of the window. The 2 inch elevation between the slide and the main floor contributes to this problem.

 

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