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Gary RV_Wizard

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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2015, 08:32:22 AM »
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The game changed when Ford, about that time, introduced the Ford F-series, super duty class A motorhome chassis.

The Ford F53 motorhome chassis has been around a lot longer than that, since at least 1990. But I'll grant that gas motorhome chassis have come along way in recent years. The game changer was the introduction of the Workhorse W22 chassis in late 2001, designed from the ground up as a large motorhome platform with a heavy duty 5-speed transmission, 22,000 lb GVWR, dropped engine position (for a flatter floor), big brakes and wheels, a rigid 50,000 psi steel frame, etc. Ford has to scramble to catch up, which they did by 2006 or 2007 and now dominate the gas chassis market again.
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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2015, 09:22:22 AM »
Very few Ford dealers will do warranty work on the E450 engine and Chassis.

there is 2 Ford dealers here in my city.

both of them will service V10 motorhomes as will most every independent shop.....but I do my own service ....it's just a gas motor.

I had a Ford powered crane truck once, it was a 10 wheel, 10 speed, air brakes truck that went through scales unloaded at 54k lbs,
 it went up and down every mountain in the western U.S....and it was a 572 cubic inch gas motor.
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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2015, 09:35:54 AM »
I think those are the top 10 cars involved in fatal accidents in Texas.  It seems like the drivers of those vehicles are always complaining about "all the SUV's and PU's" on the roads in TX.  They report that people in those vehicles , are more likely to get injured or killed in accidents.  I don't think that needs to be reported, a basic physics book will explain why a 1500 lb vehicle will lose to a 6,000 lb vehicle. 

PU's and SUV's are a different segment, and reported on a different list.  They are the largest segment in Texas.  Other regions may have different needs, thus other vehicles may be in the majority there.

hell....the hats they wear in Texas won't even fit in most new cars....why do you think everyone refers to 4 door pickups as "Cowboy Cadillacs".
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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2015, 10:02:58 AM »
It must have changed..... now an F150 is a car  ?    I didn't know that. ....
 
it would be fun the take your best selling Ford F150 Car out to a nice dinner and have it valet parked,.. they'd tell you that deliveries are around in the back of the restaurant...

yes,  the best selling  "vehicle"  is a Ford F150 truck...(sorry Friz )

so no one is downsizing...  I wonder why Ford is no longer making the Crown Victoria, and try ordering a new Lincoln Towncar. (yes that means the limo company may pick you up in a black mini van )

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Things have changed Ken,   the Cadillac Fleetwood, Buick Electra, and the Olds Delta 88 did not make the list..

My appologies Tony, I just reported what the news articles say. I didn't parse THEIR words between pickups and sedans. For example this site, http://www.businessinsider.com/best-selling-cars-in-december-2013-2014-1#1-ford-f-series-21. You really should take this up with them and keep the use of the english language pure.

My silverado has been valet parked half a dozen times already. No mention of deliveries. Then again maybe I don't go to fancy enough places just to impress others. I've been told a Toyota gets you somewhere just like a Caddy. Because it's a "car" by your definition, would you rather take an 89 Celica to the valet?

I can't find where Cadillac Fleetwood, Buick Electra or Olds Delta 88 were ever on the top 10 best seller list. So explain to me how that proves people are downsizing? Large luxury units are never aimed at the mass market. Sales of Mercedes S Class cars are rising each year. A more comfortable car I've never driven. Perhaps the Crown Vic just couldn't compete. But the loss of one car model doesn't mean people aren't buying large cars and more luxurious cars.

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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2015, 10:32:13 AM »
Cadillac's second best selling model is the big Escalade SUV, not one of the "car" models. It's their largest, heaviest and most gas-guzzling model as well. And I don't think they get turned away by valets either. Their top seller is the SRX SUV, but that's a more car-like crossover type.
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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2015, 10:42:43 AM »


  Perhaps the Crown Vic just couldn't compete. But the loss of one car model doesn't mean people aren't buying large cars and more luxurious cars.

Ken

"couldn't compete ?"     they had a locked in market !!.......The Crown Vic made up 99% of police cars, the Lincoln Town Car was the prefered car for limo services. now days most LEO agencies have switched to the smaller Dodge Charger (one of the last rear wheel drive cars made) and many limo services have gone to the smaller Cadillac XTS and some are using the Chrysler Town and country minivan.

Jaguar, Bentley, Rolls are still making the "Extended door" livery cars, but the use of an American made SUV as a limo is still not well received in the limo world. the rear door is just too small........the Mercedes limo van is popular. 

fact is....the days of massive American made full frame, rear wheel drive, V8 cars have come to an end .

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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2015, 11:43:07 AM »
Somebody got off topic?  Just a wee little bit?   ;D
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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2015, 12:40:14 PM »
Looks like Gary is trying to get us back on track.  Enjoyed the comments, even the way off track ones.  However, please stick with the original question.  Thanks! ;D
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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2015, 11:04:40 PM »
Been there.  Bought a used V-10.. 2005 Fleetwood Southwind  32ft. in 2008.  Loved it.  But after 6 years of travel and towing... Noise does matter.  Hills and Mountains do matter.  Being able to now trade in or sell on the open market to upgrade does matter.  Mileage and power for mountain climbs matters.  There are DP's out the with great layouts as well.  It took us time to find a used DP. 2011 with low miles, excellent condition.  Had I known my wife and I were going to enjoy traveling like this sooner, we would have chosen the DP off the bat.  Hope this helps.

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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2015, 08:29:16 AM »
I think it all comes down to "Budget"

obviously if your budget allows you to buy a modern layout, multi slide, diesel pusher....(the Winnebago Tour is cool! ) then, buy that.

on a much lower budget and you are planning on spending the majority of your time going 65 mph.....  then an older no-slide DP is actually better.

but remember that tires, roof, and other maintenance items need to be figured into the budget,  the older the rig the more likely some repairs are needed, and diesel repair and maintenance is more expensive.

Budget restrictions and all those things considered, and/or if a "family style layout" is important for camping,  then you may want to consider a newer gas rig.
 
 many of the DP interiors are designed for Grama and Grampa.
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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2015, 10:41:10 PM »
If I was going to buy new, I would buy a gas unit hands down.  If I wanted the benefits of a DP, I'd buy a 2003, and plan on putting about $10,000 to completely redo the interior to my taste.  Things such as wood floors, wild life wall paper or if I could find a good painter to paint wild life scenes on the walls.  Custom stereo with my favorite speakers and a control wired into a panel near my favorite seat.  These among many others can be included in refurbishing/customizing any rig. 

But with the DP motors that include all the emission junk, they spend more time in the shop than on the road.  A repair to the DPF system can cost upwards of $10,000!  When they first came out with Unleaded only gas vehicles, they were always in the shop as well.  People would knock out the plate they put in the gas tank so we could put regular in there, they ran better and didn't have the engine run on that occurred after one turned off the engine.  Now one doesn't even think about it, they are reliable and solid.  The same will happen with diesel eventually, but the government shoved these regulations on the industry before they were able to do enough testing to produce a reliable motor.   It's a crap shoot, either you get a good one, or a good deal of engine problems to work through. 
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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2015, 01:46:26 PM »
My '06 Cat has never been in the shop for any engine or EGR related issue.  (But I haven't messed with or disabled any part of it's ECS). It's been in the shop for other things, 5 days in over 4 years.  And 2 of those days were scheduled maintenance.  Hardly qualifies for being 'in the shop more than it's out'. 

Generally speaking, generalizations are generally wrong.
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Re: Ford Triton V-10 or Diesel Pusher
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2015, 05:08:03 PM »
My '06 Cat has never been in the shop for any engine or EGR related issue.  (But I haven't messed with or disabled any part of it's ECS). It's been in the shop for other things, 5 days in over 4 years.  And 2 of those days were scheduled maintenance.  Hardly qualifies for being 'in the shop more than it's out'. 

Generally speaking, generalizations are generally wrong.

Sounds like you got a good one.  Many others can't claim the same.  Many say as high as 50% are troubled.  Glad you are enjoying it and staying out of the shop.  I know guys that have spent more than 5 days in the shop on just one repair.  Better to be you than them.  I hope you continue to have good service out of your Cat.  Back in the 90's Cat made the best motor on the road.  Not long after the emission requirements came out for the 2010 system, they got out of the "on road diesel" business altogether, that says a lot for the emission standards the government is pushing on us.   The Cat 3406B was arguably one of the best motors ever made, the torque and fuel mileage of that motor was far and away better than every other motor on the road at the time.
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