Sponsored by Winnebago Industries

Author Topic: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System  (Read 4669 times)

Lee77

  • ---
  • Posts: 48
  • 2004 Winnebago Brave 34
Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« on: June 16, 2015, 05:28:57 PM »
We recently picked our 2004 Winnebago Brave from a window replacement Co. with elect. connection to keep our food and clothing cool. when I returned to a campground the  Powerline 2000 Energy Management System only registers 30 amp service when plugged into 50 amp service. I've tried other connections and had the campground check the 50 amp connection which shows good 50 amp service. Also the indicator only shows a 5 amp draw with both A/Cs on, also the elec. water heater doesn't turn on.

Would appreciate any advice, Lee


Edit by staff: changed message icon to topic solved
« Last Edit: July 13, 2015, 04:17:48 PM by John Canfield »

Ned

  • Former Staff
  • ---
  • Posts: 25501
  • Ned and Lorna are former full time RVers
    • Have you seen Rolling Stock?
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2015, 05:49:13 PM »
It's possible the campground outlet has both 50A legs on the same phase, that will make your EMS think it's on a 30A circuit.  If you have a voltmeter, check between the 2 hot legs on the outlet and if it shows 0V, then that's the problem.  It should show 240V on a properly wired 50A outlet.
-- Ned -- Fulltimer 1997-2013
1997 Holiday Rambler Endeavor LE
2007 GMC Canyon

Lee77

  • ---
  • Posts: 48
  • 2004 Winnebago Brave 34
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2015, 10:13:33 PM »
Thanks Ned, but the camp electrician checked the receptacle and said it read 238 volts. any other thoughts?
Lee

John Canfield

  • Forum Staff
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 13038
    • Jane and John's Internet Home
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2015, 07:02:18 AM »
Download the EMS manual here from my web site and follow their troubleshooting instructions.  Another good test is to run your generator and see if everything is normal.  If so then the problem is most likely between the transfer switch to the power source (the pedestal.)
--John
2005 Horizon 40AD, 2006 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited
Our Horizon projects
Our weather

Gary RV_Wizard

  • Forum Staff
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 67536
  • RVer Emeritus
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2015, 09:15:35 AM »
The 5 amp reading is because the EMS  measures the neutral wire current and that is inaccurate when on 50A service. Try resetting the EMS by removing 12v power from it for 10-15 seconds. In most coaches turning the battery to disconnect to Off ("store" on some coaches)  will do that. Shore power should also be disconnected at the same time.
Gary
--------------
Gary Brinck
Summers: Black Mountain, NC
Home: Ocala National Forest, FL

Lee77

  • ---
  • Posts: 48
  • 2004 Winnebago Brave 34
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2015, 11:26:08 AM »
I reset the EMS as suggested and went through the trouble shooting guide as suggested and the problem is unchanged. I saw a 12 volt 3 amp fuse in the wiring diag. do you know where I can find its location.

Thanks for your help, Lee

John Canfield

  • Forum Staff
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 13038
    • Jane and John's Internet Home
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2015, 01:26:09 PM »
What happens when you're running on the generator?
--John
2005 Horizon 40AD, 2006 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited
Our Horizon projects
Our weather

Lee77

  • ---
  • Posts: 48
  • 2004 Winnebago Brave 34
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2015, 07:30:32 PM »
On the Generator everything is normal. Also everything seems to be normal on shore power except the elect. water heater doesn't heat the water although the light on the switch is on. I replaced the thermostat and thermo. shut off after our last trip because it seemed to over heat the water and created a burnt wire smell when left on. It is 95 here in Fla. and both A/Cs are working fine.

Thanks Lee

RGrimm

  • ---
  • Posts: 121
  • Starting Our Adventure
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2015, 09:53:59 PM »
We recently picked our 2004 Winnebago Brave from a window replacement Co. with elect. connection to keep our food and clothing cool. when I returned to a campground the  Powerline 2000 Energy Management System only registers 30 amp service when plugged into 50 amp service. I've tried other connections and had the campground check the 50 amp connection which shows good 50 amp service. Also the indicator only shows a 5 amp draw with both A/Cs on, also the elec. water heater doesn't turn on.

Would appreciate any advice, Lee

The problem you are describing sounds very similar to the problems I had with the Powerline EMS system in my 2006 Journey. Perhaps my thread on the subject will help - Click Here

-Russ
~ Russ and Arlene ~
Northeast Florida
2006 Winnebago Journey 34H
Towing - 2013 Edge Limited
SMI - Air Force 1 Aux Braking
Blackhawk 2 All Terrain 10K

Lee77

  • ---
  • Posts: 48
  • 2004 Winnebago Brave 34
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2015, 11:58:10 AM »
Thanks to all who replied to my dilemma, I'm sure the module is my problem. Once again you have saved my bacon.

Lee

Lee77

  • ---
  • Posts: 48
  • 2004 Winnebago Brave 34
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2015, 07:03:14 PM »
Come to find out the module was not the only thing I needed to change, Lisa at Winnebago Outdoors says I need 3 other parts. Two wiring harnesses and a new display. I have ordered it all, Hope I can install them.

John Canfield

  • Forum Staff
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 13038
    • Jane and John's Internet Home
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2015, 07:17:20 AM »
Very good.  Take some pictures when you change out the parts - you might be able to help somebody else in the future.
--John
2005 Horizon 40AD, 2006 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited
Our Horizon projects
Our weather

Lee77

  • ---
  • Posts: 48
  • 2004 Winnebago Brave 34
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2015, 03:10:16 PM »
The update on the module is a change from a 4 wire connection between the module and the display to a 3 wire connection. The 3 additional parts were a new display panel and two 4 to 3 wire adaptor wires. one for each end of the wires connecting the module to the display. There were no instructions with the upgrade but looking at the parts it was an obvious fix.
Thanks for all the help, Lee

John Canfield

  • Forum Staff
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 13038
    • Jane and John's Internet Home
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2015, 07:26:27 AM »
To recap - you replaced the module and display?  It now works?  Did you take any pictures?
--John
2005 Horizon 40AD, 2006 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited
Our Horizon projects
Our weather

Lee77

  • ---
  • Posts: 48
  • 2004 Winnebago Brave 34
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2015, 02:38:22 PM »
Yes, I replaced both and all is working again. I am going to have to work on my computer skills to be able to send pics..
Thanks again, Lee

John Canfield

  • Forum Staff
  • ---
  • *
  • Posts: 13038
    • Jane and John's Internet Home
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2015, 04:16:54 PM »
Yes, I replaced both and all is working again...

Good going Lee!
--John
2005 Horizon 40AD, 2006 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited
Our Horizon projects
Our weather

cwhtrains

  • ---
  • Posts: 10
Re: Powerline 2000 Energy Management System
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2015, 09:07:31 PM »
Lee - who did you order the replacement parts from and do you have the part numbers. I am looking at trying to fix the same problem on my 2006 Journey. If you any cost information as well, that would be great.