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Michelin Tires
« on: June 30, 2015, 05:44:56 PM »
I'm shopping for 2 new steer tires  275/70 22.5.  Out the door prices in the Little Rock area are Goodyear G670 - $720 each; Bridgestone $910 each; and Michelin XZA2 Energy or XZE2+ for $600 on the FMCA Advantage program.  Anyone have on the road experience with either of these Michelin tires.  I'm really not interested in input on one brand or another or experiences with various other tires! 

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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 06:05:51 AM »
We're running XZA2 all around on our coach. I think they're overrated (hyped), but it was tough to meet or beat the Advantage Program price.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2015, 07:52:01 AM »
We have the XZA2 Michelin tires on the steer axle and XZE on the drive axle.  Agree with Tom, overrated and would have preferred any other brand but the FMCA Advantage price was unbeatable.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2015, 08:19:05 AM »
Continental makes the 275/70R22.5 size. Toyo too, I think. Any of their dealers around Little Rock? With the number of big trucking companies based in Arkansas, I would think big tire shops would be common and prices competitive.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2015, 07:27:54 AM »
Yesterday I went to a Michelin dealer close to home, I had multiple sidewalls cracks and I got them checked out; finally the cracks were 4/32" deep so I had to buy 2 new ones replacing my 30,000 milles tires 235X80RX22.5 ! >:( I've checked the DOT on the nw ones, and they were made in the 24th week of 2015.
I finally paid $430.CAN each, plus installation, new valves and balancing and 15% taxe !
I'll be safe to snowbird next november ! ;) 
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2015, 08:54:37 AM »
We just installed the Michelin XZA2 Energy on our drive and steer.  Removed the Goodyear G670 and to be honest could not get them off fast enough.  I hated those tires, will never have another Goodyear tire.

I had Bridgestone R250's on my previous two coaches and really liked them.  I was going to run them this time around but my tire dealer worked with me and with the FMCA/Michelin Advantage Program the Michelin's were a tad cheaper.

I have had them on for a few thousand miles now and so far I like them.  Rides like a different coach.

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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2015, 10:16:25 AM »
our coach came with the Michelin tires on it so we went back with the zxe all around, love them they ride good and handle good. we are in northwest Arkansas, I think we paid around $400 to $420 not sure can check when we get back home.  I think it was TDS tire they are a bigger tire shop. we got them around april of last year, the tire date was feb of the same year.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2015, 11:42:37 PM »
I pulled off 8 6-year old Michelins. I saved $1,600 by putting Yokohama's on the steers (I went up a size due to weight issues) and Generals on the back. I put them on in May and have a couple of thousand miles on them. The coach drives the same, even with the extra weight in my wallet. Since I'm probably going to throw them away long before they wear out, they work for me.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2015, 07:27:48 AM »
I pulled off 8 6-year old Michelins. I saved $1,600 by putting Yokohama's on the steers (I went up a size due to weight issues) and Generals on the back. I put them on in May and have a couple of thousand miles on them. The coach drives the same, even with the extra weight in my wallet. Since I'm probably going to throw them away long before they wear out, they work for me.


Why did'nt you get Yoko's all around your coach ? Where they to expensive for your wallet or for some other reasons ?
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2015, 09:17:36 AM »
The combination I got offered the best value from the tire dealer. Since they were both brand names, I didn't object to the mix. The savings were based on the FMCA discounted price for Michelins. As others have said, Michelin makes a great tire. They're just not as great as the price would reflect, in my opinion.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2015, 04:12:07 PM »
What is FMCA when it comes to discounting of tires?
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2015, 04:21:57 PM »
FMCA (Family Motor Coach Association) has a fleet sales agreement with Michelin and selected Michelin dealers who participate in the Fleet Sales program will provide tires to FMCA members at the Michelin Fleet pricing schedule. Their is a procedure to be followed to order & pay for tires via this program.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2015, 04:45:19 PM »
We used the FMCA discount when we bought new Michelin tires for our motorhome about two years ago.  Allowing for one year subscription to FMCA, we saved about $150.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2015, 05:20:17 PM »
So are some tires "softer" in ride than others ?
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2015, 01:35:19 PM »
As always, thanks Gary.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2015, 02:18:44 PM »
We used the FMCA discount when we bought new Michelin tires for our motorhome about two years ago.  Allowing for one year subscription to FMCA, we saved about $150.


$150. per tire ?
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2015, 03:29:17 PM »
"Michelin admits RV replacement tires in short supply..."

"One person said he was told the company is not making RV tires at the moment because of high demand in other markets."

"However, Michelin Commercial Public Relations Director Mary Ann Kotlarich, told RV Daily Report the shortage is real and could last several months."

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http://rvdailyreport.com/industry/michelin-admits-rv-replacement-tires-in-short-supply/
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2015, 04:00:58 PM »
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2015, 04:21:09 PM »
I have over 24,000 miles in three years on my Michelin 275/80R225 XZA3 from the factory.

Absolutely no issues whatsoever.

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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2015, 06:30:40 PM »
I put Michelin XZA2s on our coach in 2011.

They have cracked so badly they are no longer safe.  After only 4 years and less than 20,000 miles?

My daily driver has Michelins and they are doing the same thing!

My wife's CRV has Michelins and they are doing the same thing!

I think I see a pattern here.

They have all been cared for per Michelin's restrictions.  Nothing stronger than mild soap has ever touched them.

Not a fan of Michelins at any price.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2015, 07:05:30 PM »
I would be curious to know what part of the country you are typically in?

It's funny how we all experience a brand differently. I had four sets of Michelins on my Honda Accord, towed behind our motorhome, over 220,000 miles towed and road, nary a crack. I have Michelins on my Jeep, 24k miles, nary a crack, and the aforementioned tires on my coach, another 24k miles, look like new.

And all my tires have been dressed regularly contra to most tire makers recommendations.

The only pattern I see is that we have had two totally different experiences, like so many have with brands of coaches, towed vehicles, and computer vendors.

Sorry your experience has been so poor.   :-[
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2015, 11:07:23 PM »
California.  Mild weather, not much rain.  Tires on sunward side  always covered when in storage but we don't put it in storage often.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2015, 09:06:40 AM »
Mine are oem so about 6 years old. Notable cracks on all exposed tires. We usually stay where it's warm including  S FL in the winter.  This results from an older rubber formulation that is inadequately protected against uv damage most likely.

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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2015, 10:49:22 AM »
When talking about where our coaches are mainly used, I am sure many already know this but sitting in one spot for extended periods of time is the worse thing to do to a tire.  Ozone and UV are hard on tires so the manufacturers combat this by using an "carbon absorbant" component.  Pretty much all manufacturers use the same thing.  This black carbon absorbant is sacrificial meaning it is used up, this is the reason why tires turn that grayish color/tint after a while.  The black carbon can sluff of on its own but it is generally best to merely wash the tires with normal soap and water.  This black carbon needs to be replenished on the surface of the tire which is where driving comes into play.  The heat associated with the tires flexing going down the road is what brings the next layer of black carbon absorbant to the surface to protect the tire.  Letting the tire sit for extended periods of time and not cleaning nor flexing that tire is detrimental to the tire and greatly diminishes the life of a tire.

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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2015, 11:09:03 AM »
we put about 26,000miles on our original Michelin tires changed because they were 7plus years old. no cracks, looked new, short trips during summer, and one long one to Florida . otherwise stays inside on rugs. that's why we put them back on. hope the new ones last as long as the old ones do.
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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2015, 09:16:25 PM »
Ours were 6 years old when we pulled them off in May. The cracks were so deep a repair shop refused to inflate them. I shopped around and found non-Michelins for about $1,300 less than the FMCA price for Michelins. We'll see what happens in 6 years.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2015, 05:04:52 PM »
I just bought a 2011 Fleetwood with 8,000 miles on it and it's been stored indors. It has Michelin  22.5 tires with no visible cracking and very little wear. How many years should they last assuming it doesn't sit for long periods or time? I will never wear them out with milage!

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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2015, 07:50:59 PM »
7-10 years. Somewhere at or beyond age 7 you need to consider the risk of extensive body damage from at blowout. Might not happen, but if it does, the risk of major damage to the coach from pieces of tire is substantial. More is at stake here than the tire.
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2015, 08:05:08 PM »
Hi Tremor... If you don't wear them out (few RVers do), you should seriously look at replacing them when they're six to seven years old - even if they "look" fine. The reason is, the chemicals in the rubber that holds the tires together become less effective with age - even though the tires may appear to be fine. I know that's a hard pill to swallow, because they certainly aren't cheap (believe me, I know), but if you have a blowout, the damage from the slinging steel-belted shrapnel can do thousands of dollars in damage to fiberglass body parts, holding tanks etc. (not to mention control problems if it's a front tire).

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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2015, 10:37:59 PM »
I just bought a 2011 Fleetwood with 8,000 miles on it and it's been stored indors. It has Michelin  22.5 tires with no visible cracking and very little wear. How many years should they last assuming it doesn't sit for long periods or time? I will never wear them out with milage!


You should be good till at least 2018 ! ;)  Keep them covered from hard sunshine !
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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2015, 11:36:42 PM »
Thanks you guys. It is being stored under cover and I kind of expected 7 years! I replace my boat trailer tires every 3 years and that one really hurts by not so hard on the wallet.

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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2015, 09:23:53 AM »
Two weeks ago I replaced my Michelin 24570R19.5 XRV tires with the same.
Removed tires were made 5th week of 2004; 11 1/2 years old.

They had very, very minor cracking near the bead; where you expect to see
it on radial tires.  Treads were worn evenly, and tires appeared to be in very
good condition.
Only reason I replaced them is because of age.  I typically replace Michelin
RV tires at 10 years, but let these run a little longer.  Have run Michelins on
several different types of vehicles and have yet to experience the horrendous
sidewall cracking I read about on this forum.

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Re: Michelin Tires
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2015, 09:53:09 AM »
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Have run Michelins on several different types of vehicles and have yet to experience the horrendous
sidewall cracking I read about on this forum.

Cracking may or may not occur - nobody seems to understand all the factors involved that cause surface cracks on the sidewall. Michelins seems more prone to it than other brands, but surface cracks in the sidewall are not necessarily a sign of failure anyway. The Michelin RV Tire Guide gives advice on when to consider cracking to be dangerous.

The aging issue is more complex than just cracking and a tire may appear fine on the outside but still have severely weakened sidewall structure or a tread area that is separating from the body. Sometimes these incipient problems can be spotted if the tire is dismounted and viewed from the inside, but not always.

It is certainly possible to have a tire last 10 years and I've seen other reports of 11-12 years. The point that we try to make here is that the risk of a major failure grows substantially with each passing year, and that risk involves more than just an inconvenient flat tire.  An analogy might be 70 year old men running the Boston Marathon. There are surely some 70-year-olds who can do that, but if a large and randomly selected group  70 year old men ran the Marathon, many of them would fail to complete it and some of them would fail catastrophically, e.g. have a heart attack and die. Merely looking at them at the starting line won't tell you much about which will survive and which will die.
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