Weird Indiana Diesel Road Tax Structure

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Larry N.

Larry N.

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Yesterday we refueled in Indiana for the first time. It seems that if you go to the truck pumps you are either denied use of the pumps or else they will add $0.20-$0.30 per gallon for tax to the pump price. So even with my 45' rig I have to use the car pumps which seem to be near the same price as posted on the truck pumps. Cost me some headaches looking for car pumps I could actually get in to (finally found some on the Indiana Toll Road (I-80).

Weird!
 
Personally I think truck stops just hate it when a none truck tryed to use the truck pump.  I used to be denied service all the time when I tryed to fill the 100 gal fuel tank in my ulitely truck. When I used to service generator.
 
On a trip this spring, my credit card was not accepted at truck pumps and had to use car pumps.  Not always easy when pulling a 35' 5er to get into those pumps.  I never looked to see if there was a price difference.  I will now.
 
Politics is discouraged here but the problem is Politics....

Now,,Understand this: IF you have it, a TRUCK brought it to the store or factory,, Thus taxes on diesel fuel (And gasoline) sold to truckers cost ALL of us in increased product prices.  Because only CONSUMERS pay taxes. 


Many states believe in taxing business very heavily, so they slap more tax on Diesel fuel if it's used in Semi Trucks... Now in truth this is somewhat justified.. Those Rigs typically tip the scales at 30,000 to, in my Brother's casde 160,000..  Where as your motor home 40,000 would be overweight.  Plus the semi's run every day.. you don't.

But still. It is not the truck stop that jacks the price at the Trucker pumps.. IT IS THE STATE Government.

If you wish to discuss the tax.. I'll sit that out. 

The following is my only POLITICAL statement: Come November 2016:  VOTE!!!
 
buy your fuel at an Indian casino.....

heck....buy everything you need at an Indian casino,  food, booze, fuel, cigarettes.

being a sovereign nation, they don't pay the same state and national taxes.....so everything is cheaper.

 
You have to remember that Indiana is still in the 19th century, not the 20th or the 21st century.
This is on most of the laws as well.
Good Luck,
Indiana Journey
 
John From Detroit said:
Politics is discouraged here but the problem is Politics....


The following is my only POLITICAL statement: Come November 2016:  VOTE!!!
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Really John ?  ...


There is no need for me to even vote in 2016.......with the existing electoral college system,

I already know the presidential candidate every single electoral vote in my state will be cast for.



( signed )
Joe the disenfranchised plumber


(sorry Mods...I couldn't help myself on that one )
 
There really is no mystery, nor any politics, in the Indiana fuel taxes.  Indiana collects a road use tax on commercial trucks directly from the truck owner. They have to report the miles driven on Indiana roads and send in payment for the tax due, but they do not pay a road-use surcharge as part of the fuel price. Non-commercial (personal use) vehicles pay a road use fuel tax at the pump rather than being required to file a road tax form every quarter. Pay your tax at the pump, as it were. Both users pay road use taxes, but they are collected in two different ways.

This is a big nuisance for fuel stations that deal with both commercial and personal vehicles, since they have to charge two different prices. Typically one set of pumps are set be default to the personal use price, which includes road taxes, while the big rig diesel pumps are set to the non-tax price. The truck's Indiana DOT registration number is recorded instead, to be tied later to their Indian road tax form. When a personal use vehicle wants to fuel at a pump set up for direct taxation method, they have to manually assess the road tax (add xx cents/gallon) and put the money aside for the state gov't. PITA, so many stations simply refuse to sell to non-commercial vehicles at those pumps. They may tell you to fuel at the personal-use vehicle pump, or to buy your fuel somewhere else.
 
Aw, Gary, you had to go and spoil a good conspiracy theory :(
 
Larry N. said:
Yesterday we refueled in Indiana for the first time. It seems that if you go to the truck pumps you are either denied use of the pumps or else they will add $0.20-$0.30 per gallon for tax to the pump price. So even with my 45' rig I have to use the car pumps which seem to be near the same price as posted on the truck pumps. Cost me some headaches looking for car pumps I could actually get in to (finally found some on the Indiana Toll Road (I-80).

Weird!
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I solved that problem..  I make sure I have enough fuel to go through Indiana without needing any additional.
 
Other states do a similar thing. Oregon truck stops for example advertise their "PUC" price which is .18 cents or so lower than the actual price for an RV. PUC trucks pay their road tax on a form each month or quarter and private or recreational vehicles pay theirs at the pump. So, looking at Gas Buddy, one has to make a guess as to which price is being reported. If one station is .20 cents lower than everyone else in the area....... probably PUC price.

Ken
 
TonyDtorch said:
buy your fuel at an Indian casino.....

heck....buy everything you need at an Indian casino,  food, booze, fuel, cigarettes.

being a sovereign nation, they don't pay the same state and national taxes.....so everything is cheaper.
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And where is that along I-80 in Indiana? New Mexico, etc. OK, but Indiana I-80?
 
This has been the normal situation for years, and, as mentioned above is political for each state.

Our Semi Trucks always refuel at the truck pumps at any truck stop for the reasons of convenience and also the fact that we pay a fuel tax assessed against us on a regular time schedule, by each state based on their law, such as varying fuel tax requirements, ton-mile taxes, tax formulas set by law, etc. We even have to pay taxes in some states for fuel that our drivers did not buy, based on the states formula that assumes that " we should have bought their taxed fuel for driving there". We also, in some states are required to pay an extra sales tax on the fuel bought, or not bought, for our semi trucks in those states.

I always purchase Diesel Fuel for our RAM Truck(s) at non-truck Diesel pumps at truck stops when we travel with our RV. We get an RV discount on Diesel Fuel at some truck stops such as Flying J or Pilot. Almost all Truck Stops, such as Loves, TA, Petro, Sapp Bros, Cenex, etc., have Diesel pumps along with their gas pumps, usually at the ends of the fuel pump island or separate. This makes it convenient to fuel with an RV at those pumps.
 
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