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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2016, 01:40:07 PM »
I still using my Windows 7 home premium version and I have never had anything from MS telling me I need to update to Windows 10.  Infact I have been wondering why I have not received anything.  I think I would like to update to Windows 10 and have been waiting to receive something.  Two sides to every story!  Dick nvrver
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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2016, 06:52:23 PM »

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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2016, 07:06:23 PM »
I agree. We hang enough out on forums.

I believe most posters on the forums post for specific info, or to try and be a help to fellow RV'rs.  Very few spew every idiot thought that floats randomly between their ears.  My wife seems compelled to hang the most inane thoughts and pictures and videos that she comes across. 

I have told her time and again I want nothing regarding me posted on Facebook.  I would be perfectly content to be completely invisible to the Family and Friends who have to patronize it.

I feel my curmudgeon syndrome manifesting once again. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2016, 07:15:09 PM »
I'm at the other end of the spectrum.  I like Windows 10.  A lot.  And I use FaceBook every day to stay in touch with friends & family all over the world.

I'd advise you to get a Mac but my luck with Macs is pretty bad lately.  I had to restore my Mac Mini (Christmas gift) twice before I got it set up the way I wanted.

Chrome is a good idea, but I've been in the business too long (since 1968) to put much trust in 'the cloud'.  It's OK as a backup but I wouldn't put my only copy of anything in it.  I'm also not fond of Google or anybody else capturing every keystroke and storing it 'in the cloud'.  First thing I'd do with a chrome book or box would be to put it into developer mode and load Ubuntu Linux.

Seriously, if you bite the bullet, ignore the negative hype, and spend a couple of weeks with it you'll probably like it.  If you're nervous about going back do a full disk backup to an external drive - I use ToDo backup (free) from www.majorgeeks.com.  No time limit on going back that way.

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Bill N

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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2016, 08:03:23 AM »
I'm at the other end of the spectrum.  I like Windows 10.  A lot.  And I use FaceBook every day to stay in touch with friends & family all over the world.


This is probably the most common statement I see from those who support and use social media and I don't criticize them for it.  But you know what?  I do the exact same thing with email and Skype.  I see good things and bad things about social media in the news but it seems lately that the bad is starting to outrun the good.  For a society that whines about privacy every five minutes, I have a hard time equating privacy with anything that happens on social media. 
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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2016, 09:08:54 AM »
One rule applies, "If you're not paying for it, you're the product".
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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2016, 09:57:02 AM »
People use social media for a lot of other uses than describing every moment of their life.
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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2016, 04:57:34 PM »
Tom,

Do you do your photo editing on a Mac?  Which app?

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SeilerBird

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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2016, 05:08:15 PM »
Do you do your photo editing on a Mac?  Which app?
No I use Lightroom in Windows 10. However since I started using my Samsung S6 I have found that I rarely need to do much editing. The colors come out almost perfect every time and I rarely need to crop. It is the only reason I keep my Windows computer around, everything else I can do in my Chromebook. There are rumors that Adobe will be making a version for Android and for Chromebook and when that comes true I will be able to sell my windows machine. I do like W10 a lot but I like Chrome a lot better.
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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2016, 09:00:12 PM »
Being the new guy here on these forums I'll chime in on this subject as I am in the business.

 I own a well established computer repair shop and based strictly on what  I have seen and people that I have talked to is that for the most part users are having a good experience and a flawless upgrade to Windows 10. Everything went smooth, without a hitch and their computer even seems to run faster.

 On the other hand there are a fair amount of people that have had issues to some degree with the upgrade process or have troubles after the upgrade is complete. A wide range of issues that vary from user to user. Including the same exact issues that the members talk about here.

 Most of the people I speak with, when it comes to the Windows 10 thing have no issues. The people who do have issues.... well I get to share in their frustrations as their Windows 10 headaches end up on my work bench.
A big issue I see is that users have an existing problem with their computer before the upgrade. Whether it be errors, running slow, popups etc... So in their mind they think that upgrading to Windows 10 will magically make all of those existing problems go away. That is a bad reason to try and upgrade as those original problems will most likely cause deeper issues after the upgrade.

 Now there is another fair bit of users that have no original issues at all before the upgrade and they decide to give Windows 10 a try and wish they never did. This is in no way the fault of the user.

 So I do see quite a few computers coming through my shop that have not played well with Windows 10 and I would say that most of those had no previous issue.

 My point being is that if I am seeing these issues come through my shop at my one location it makes me wonder what the ratio really is of good experience vs bad experience really is and why is Microsoft using it's users as guinea pigs. I would have thought that they would have released this major upgrade AFTER it has been thoroughly tested just as they did with Windows 7.

 Then there is the big change in the license agreement in Windows 10 that I will not get into.

I think Windows 10 is a great looking operating system and has some unique features. I am not sure of Microsoft's future intentions by releasing Window 10 for free. Call me skeptical.
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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2016, 05:55:42 AM »
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My point being is that if I am seeing these issues come through my shop at my one location it makes me wonder what the ratio really is of good experience vs bad experience really is and why is Microsoft using it's users as guinea pigs. I would have thought that they would have released this major upgrade AFTER it has been thoroughly tested just as they did with Windows 7.
There are just too many different types of computers and too many different third party programs that conflict and that makes it impossible for MS to test every configuration. If they tried they would never release anything. Meanwhile you are not seeing a representative sample of computers coming through your shop. There are too many users like myself whom have never taken a computer into a repair shop.
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Timster

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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2016, 03:51:37 PM »
There are just too many different types of computers and too many different third party programs that conflict and that makes it impossible for MS to test every configuration. If they tried they would never release anything. Meanwhile you are not seeing a representative sample of computers coming through your shop. There are too many users like myself whom have never taken a computer into a repair shop.

When Windows 7 upgrade was released issues where far less common. I do agree it is impossible to test all scenarios. As I stated I know that most users also have no issue.
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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2016, 04:22:24 PM »
When Windows 7 upgrade was released issues where far less common. I do agree it is impossible to test all scenarios. As I stated I know that most users also have no issue.
Hi Timster:
This is not intended to be a criticism of you or your business.  The statistics surrounding your contention that "most users also have no issue" are at best, subjective (mostly provided by people with a vested interest, or by Microsoft itself) and cannot be considered a reliable guideline, being that it is so early after the release of Windows 10.
As I stated in an earlier post, I have not had any problems with upgrades either for myself or clients BUT that is only speaking for a small town where I conduct my business.
Similarly, you may be able to speak for Savanna, GA area, but beyond that you are mostly relying on the opinions of others I would think. 
Conversely, there are people who just don't like it, or are frustrated because it made them change from the familiar to the unknown. Those people have a voice as well, and have said so on this forum. Opinions may change over time, but there will always be dropouts and cop-outs. 
If it is any consolation to them, I too am 'slipping back to my Windows 7' OS for lots of things.   

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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2016, 04:25:21 PM »
Most users do not have an issue. If they did there would be a mass migration away from Windows. They do have competition.
I would like to apologize to anyone I have not yet offended. Please be patient and I will get to you shortly.
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Timster

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Re: Irritating W-10
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2016, 04:59:28 PM »
Hi Timster:
This is not intended to be a criticism of you or your business.  The statistics surrounding your contention that "most users also have no issue" are at best, subjective (mostly provided by people with a vested interest, or by Microsoft itself) and cannot be considered a reliable guideline, being that it is so early after the release of Windows 10.
As I stated in an earlier post, I have not had any problems with upgrades either for myself or clients BUT that is only speaking for a small town where I conduct my business.
Similarly, you may be able to speak for Savanna, GA area, but beyond that you are mostly relying on the opinions of others I would think. 
Conversely, there are people who just don't like it, or are frustrated because it made them change from the familiar to the unknown. Those people have a voice as well, and have said so on this forum. Opinions may change over time, but there will always be dropouts and cop-outs. 
If it is any consolation to them, I too am 'slipping back to my Windows 7' OS for lots of things.

Agreed, that is exactly why I opened the my post with "strictly on what  I have seen and people that I have talked to"

I have no bias for or against Windows 10. I do have a issue with the EULA that Microsoft has attached to Windows 10. Other than that my statements are strictly based on what I have observed in my area in my line of work. I will say that I am in contact with many other repair techs around the world who see these exact issues in their shop.

 In my line of work all I am going to see are the users that are having issues. Not the ones that are having no issues. I do realize this.
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