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longhaul

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Re: Need double tow 5th wheel options?
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2018, 09:06:29 PM »
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For clarification. I need a 5th wheel that is 25' tip to tail, not 25' deck. Most RV manufactures classify their rigs length of main deck, a 23' 5th wheel is actually closer to 27' tip to tail. This is too long.
For towing doubles with a 5th wheel trailer the length your needing is from the center of the pin to the center of a ball in a receiver hitch on the back of the 5th wheel trailer . If the 5th wheel trailer doesn't have a receiver hitch you will need to do some R&R  as to where the ball will be located.

 Of course the trucks length will be from the front bumper to the center of the trucks rear axle.

 My double tow rig was with a long bed chevy....26' 7800 gvw 5th wheel trailer....a 19' bass boat/trailer at a bit over 25' from the center of the hitch ball to the 175hp outboard motor's skeg .

Just ramblin' here....... Ford markets the F150 with 19 different GVWRs from 6000 on up to 8200 lbs
   and 5 different RAWR from 3300 up to 4800 lbs.
  Depending on which F150 gvwr/rawr package your truck has it may or may not have enough rawr to carry the trailer pin weight plus a hitch and other gear in the bed.
 Payloads ??
 This gets lots of rv newbs in trouble especially with a new gen high gvwr truck . Example one poster says his F150 had a 1780 lb payload and a 3800 rawr. His trucks rear axle weighed 2380 lbs which left his truck with approx 1420 lbs in the bed payload.
 

Hanr3

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Re: Need double tow 5th wheel options?
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2018, 10:59:38 PM »
For towing doubles with a 5th wheel trailer the length your needing is from the center of the pin to the center of a ball in a receiver hitch on the back of the 5th wheel trailer . If the 5th wheel trailer doesn't have a receiver hitch you will need to do some R&R  as to where the ball will be located.

 Of course the trucks length will be from the front bumper to the center of the trucks rear axle.

 My double tow rig was with a long bed chevy....26' 7800 gvw 5th wheel trailer....a 19' bass boat/trailer at a bit over 25' from the center of the hitch ball to the 175hp outboard motor's skeg .

Just ramblin' here....... Ford markets the F150 with 19 different GVWRs from 6000 on up to 8200 lbs
   and 5 different RAWR from 3300 up to 4800 lbs.
  Depending on which F150 gvwr/rawr package your truck has it may or may not have enough rawr to carry the trailer pin weight plus a hitch and other gear in the bed.
 Payloads ??
 This gets lots of rv newbs in trouble especially with a new gen high gvwr truck . Example one poster says his F150 had a 1780 lb payload and a 3800 rawr. His trucks rear axle weighed 2380 lbs which left his truck with approx 1420 lbs in the bed payload.

Longhaul,

Appreciate the reply. Yea, I choose this truck over other options because of its capacities. 
The F150 I bought is rated to tow 16,000 pounds GCVWR (truck, and trailers).
The truck has a GVWR of 6,900 pounds, 2,100 payload capacity. 
Truck, me, full tank of gas and both dogs weighs 4,800 pounds. Leaves 2,100 pounds for the wife, hitch and pin.
The KZ 231RK Sportsmen 5th wheel GVWR is 7,000 lbs. @ 20% a pin weight of 1,400 pounds loaded. Leaves 700 pounds for the misses and hitch. The unloaded weight is 6,000 pounds and 860 on the pin. Pretty small and light 5th wheel. Which is perfect for camping and matches my trucks capacities.
Boat weighs 2,300 full loaded, including a full tank of gas.
Total weight of camper and boat is 9,300 pounds, both fully loaded. I'm pulling 10,000 pounds total. Heck, the truck is rated to tow 11,000 pounds at the receiver. I'm pulling it with a 5th wheel. I'm not worried about it at all.

I bought a 2016 F150 XLT Supercab 145" wheelbase, 3.5L twin turbo, 2wdr with electronic locking rear axle, 3.55 gears, towing package (not heavy duty package so its missing the brake controller, however I can add that and have the puter switch flipped on at the dealer). I will need to add towing mirrors and am debating replacing the original with factory towing mirrors, but those aren't cheap. 2wdr saved me several hundred pounds and increased my load capacity. I looked at a regular cab and 8' box, however that had a shorter wheel base, also looked at the crew cab, however that only comes with a 5.5' bed. Supercab with 6.6' box was the best option there.

I looked a V8, however the EcoBoost twin turbo has better towing numbers and better performance numbers all around. Turbos also give me engine braking. Not like I plan to triple tow through the mountains. I plan on mostly sticking to local weekends trips and a week long trip or two a year for the next decade until retirement. We will see where it goes from there. Altough I grew up in the mountains, so driving and towing through them doesn't bother me a bit. I lived in Summit county Colorado, and back in the day you had to drive over Loveland pass. Now most go through the Eisenhower tunnel. I was there when the tunnel opened back in the early '70's. Seen many a rigs scattered all over the highway and valley below. 
« Last Edit: May 14, 2018, 11:08:36 PM by Hanr3 »
2016 F150 3.5L Ecoboost XLT
2019 K-Z 231RK Sportsmen
1997 16' Sylvan Back Troller Select

Derby6

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Re: Need double tow 5th wheel options?
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2018, 05:26:45 PM »
Two of my favorites things to do are to see every double tow thread turn into a legalities information session and also seeing people reply to posts that are over two years old.
Agree, however, in this case the OP revived his own thread so he' still on the hunt!

I also agree with all that voiced some concern of weights and towing doubles with a 1/2 ton....However

Not like I plan to triple tow through the mountains. I plan on mostly sticking to local weekends trips and a week long trip or two a year for the next decade until retirement. We will see where it goes from there. Although I grew up in the mountains, so driving and towing through them doesn't bother me a bit.

Local trips on flat lands with an experienced towing driver puts me more at ease. Less than ideal, but he doing his homework and will likely be OK.

Unlike the never ending stories of folks that have never towed anything before; buying a medium duty SUV; planning to full time all over the county (mountains and wind) towing their new 32' TT with all the fixens loaded in it....LOL   :-\
2015 Ford Explorer (Wifes Ride)
2011 Ford F350 4x4 Lariat Crew Cab/Long Bed/SRW
2011 Honda Civic-- (Beater with a heater)
2007 28' Desert FOX Toy Hauler             
TOYS:
01 Yamaha Kodiak 400
09 Yamaha Grizzly 550
12 Yamaha Grizzly 450
13 Yamaha Rhino 700 (Wifes Ride)
13 & 14  144" & 155" SKI DOO

Hanr3

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Re: Need double tow 5th wheel options?
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2018, 10:02:01 PM »
Unlike the never ending stories of folks that have never towed anything before; buying a medium duty SUV; planning to full time all over the county (mountains and wind) towing their new 32' TT with all the fixens loaded in it....LOL   :-\

Yep, seen them fixens scattered all over the highway, especially in the mountains.

To be honest, the only thing that makes me nervous is people that have never towed and don't realize the stopping distance needed. They have no problem jumping in that big gap you left for safety reasons and putting everyone in danger. They just don't get it!
« Last Edit: May 15, 2018, 10:08:11 PM by Hanr3 »
2016 F150 3.5L Ecoboost XLT
2019 K-Z 231RK Sportsmen
1997 16' Sylvan Back Troller Select