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BeaverCrap

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Electric powered bicycles or scooters.... let's see them!
« on: February 21, 2016, 03:00:40 PM »
I always get into conversations with folks at RV parks about my lithium powered mountain bike with the trailer and wagon I tow with my kids and all of our stuff.....So who out there has them? Lets see some pics. I'll start....

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Re: Electric powered bicycles or scooters.... let's see them!
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2016, 02:23:29 AM »
Greetings,

Bought my electric bike a while back. Plan on taking it with us as we travel and may buy the second bike if my wife has an interest.
I can go an easy 25 miles on this. A bit heavy but battery gets me home if I get tired of peddling. Besides travel will be riding it for exercise when at home bade.
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2016, 11:05:53 PM »
I love my electric assist bicycle. I use a simple front wheel kit that I had on first my retro beach Schwinn and now on my ultra comfy Day 6 bicycle. Just moved the electric kit over and kept right on biking.

I bought my electric kit on Amazon after tons of research and I am plenty happy with it.
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I love riding every day now! The elec kit gives me the confidence to keep on going.

I have included 3 pics of the new Day 6 bicycle I just love and 1 pic of my old Schwinn starter bike. Ironically both are same color. I moved most of my bling over from the old Schwinn to the new Day 6.

I'm a big kid now and I'm loving it!
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2016, 11:46:21 AM »
Schwinn folding electric, great bike, dont need bike rack, folds up and goes into side storage compartment

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2016, 01:07:52 PM »
Schwinn folding electric, great bike, dont need bike rack, folds up and goes into side storage compartment

Where did you buy the Schwinn from?
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2016, 06:01:06 PM »
The little Schwinn electric bike looks cute as can be, but I don't think you can get any real exercise from it with those tiny tires.

But it does look fun!

However, in trying to research where to buy one, the only other one I could find a guy bought in Canada and had a lot of problems with his. First he had it replaced and later returned and refunded due to multiple problems.

He called his a
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Re: Electric powered bicycles or scooters.... let's see them!
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2016, 12:48:04 AM »
The white one is my wifes, the black beast is mine,
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2016, 12:04:51 PM »
Rickiani;
     I've got an electric fat bike too, Radrover---I believe the same as yours. In the highest assist mode, it effectively becomes a motorcycle.
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2016, 08:54:04 PM »
The only difference between the RadRover and mine in the mid drive, which uses the gears to multiply the electric assist, the hub drive is a single speed assist. Either way the fat bike is a blast, isn't it!

The fat bike is a 48 volt 1000 watt mid drive, pedal assist stops at 50 MPH. The White one has a Bosch mid drive, and pedal assist tops out at 33 MPH.

The fat bike freaks car drivers out when leave them in  dust when the light turns green!

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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2016, 04:55:58 AM »
The only difference between the RadRover and mine in the mid drive, which uses the gears to multiply the electric assist, the hub drive is a single speed assist. Either way the fat bike is a blast, isn't it!

The fat bike is a 48 volt 1000 watt mid drive, pedal assist stops at 50 MPH. The White one has a Bosch mid drive, and pedal assist tops out at 33 MPH.

The fat bike freaks car drivers out when leave them in  dust when the light turns green!

 :o    50MPH and 1000 watts....holy crap!! That sounds insane..... Mine is only 300 watts and 36 volts but I am thinking about adding a second battery, a second throttle (for my left hand thumb) and another hub motor/wheel assembly on the front.

People do get a little freaked when they see me go up a steep incline with 2 kids in the trailer and a radio flyer wagon behind that filled with our stuff.... believe me there is some serious pedaling to do with only 300 watts up hill....adding the second motor to the front wheel would make hills easier and probably increase my range too.

I am digging everyone's different setups....keep em coming!
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2016, 01:47:04 PM »
One of the best moments on my Radrover yet, came on a day when, in succession, I came up from behind on a group of 4 preteens riding expensive off road "x" bikes and passed them with ease while pedaling (can't really hear the motor) and the looks I got from them;  followed a few minutes later as I did the same thing to a small street bike club (5 members) riding single file drafting in all their glorious Italian biking togs at the peak of their breathless sweaty ability. An old fat guy in shorts and flip-flops casually pedaling by on an obviously heavier bike. I've gotten a lot of positive comments on the bike. It's a blast.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2016, 05:13:56 PM »
The only difference between the RadRover and mine in the mid drive, which uses the gears to multiply the electric assist, the hub drive is a single speed assist. Either way the fat bike is a blast, isn't it!

The fat bike is a 48 volt 1000 watt mid drive, pedal assist stops at 50 MPH. The White one has a Bosch mid drive, and pedal assist tops out at 33 MPH.

The fat bike freaks car drivers out when leave them in  dust when the light turns green!

Did you make yours or did you buy it complete?

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Re: Electric powered bicycles or scooters.... let's see them!
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2016, 07:54:56 PM »
An e-bike I built for commuting to work...
Top speed never pushed though most days hit 40mph quick and easy.

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2016, 09:25:36 PM »
Did you make yours or did you buy it complete?

The white bike we bought complete, it is a line we sell at work. The fat bike is a complete bike that I purchased from a local buke builder. White one is all German made and runs like a fine watch, Black one is just shy of insane, my son has had it up over 70 at which point he was free wheeling the pedals.
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2016, 01:25:50 AM »
had it up over 70 at which point he was free wheeling the pedals.
A road bike's large chainring goes freewheel near 40mph ... to have any assist factor at 70mph I'd guess 90+ toothed custom chainring with a radius as long or longer than the pedal arms.

My first commuter type donor bike taught me that speeds over about 25-30, in typical city street bike lanes, wasn't a good combination for emergency stops. Rubber must stay in contact with road surface to stop! It's surprising how skinny tires skip over rough asphalt and crap on the side of the road when trying to brake at speeds above 30mph. Suspension, grippy fat tires and disk brakes helped with stopping (nicer ride too).

I urge anyone thinking about building/retrofitting a bicycle powered at city street speeds, to use the best parts possible and design it for the purpose. People don't expect bicycles to be moving that fast so the need for defensive riding increases greatly. I also suggest skipping even the best bicycle frame and think motorcycle parts for speeds above 35mph.

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2016, 04:53:53 AM »
How stable are those things at 70? I guess the fat tires make it ok...that is insanely fast for a bicycle.

With the bike trailer behind me my top speed was 24mph....I won't go faster than that with my daughters on board...even though she yells at me when I go too slow.. Go Dadda go!! I've not done a top speed run alone yet... I'd imagine with pedaling I could get it up to 30 or so.....

90% of the time we are riding around a campground... the only time I can get good speed is when we go to a local state park with large wide bike trails.

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2016, 08:23:37 AM »
     My fatbike will cruise over anything, rocks, gravel, sand, soft tall grass, mud, snow, sticks, etc.. I can run 5 psi in the tires for the soft stuff requiring grip. At 10 psi, these tires are very stable on the streets; small patches of dirt, sand, gravel, etc. are no issue. The disc braking is very efficient, cornering is easy, and the speed attainable is mindblowing to people watching you fly by on a bicycle. I now ride it more frequently than I do my home converted street bike(see Dearmissmermaid's posts for the same conversion kit) which is fun and lighter than my Radrover. By the way, my self converted e-bike has belt drive rather than chain. I think it's the future for casual cruisers.
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2016, 09:00:41 AM »
A road bike's large chainring goes freewheel near 40mph ... to have any assist factor at 70mph I'd guess 90+ toothed custom chainring with a radius as long or longer than the pedal arms.

My first commuter type donor bike taught me that speeds over about 25-30, in typical city street bike lanes, wasn't a good combination for emergency stops. Rubber must stay in contact with road surface to stop! It's surprising how skinny tires skip over rough asphalt and crap on the side of the road when trying to brake at speeds above 30mph. Suspension, grippy fat tires and disk brakes helped with stopping (nicer ride too).

I urge anyone thinking about building/retrofitting a bicycle powered at city street speeds, to use the best parts possible and design it for the purpose. People don't expect bicycles to be moving that fast so the need for defensive riding increases greatly. I also suggest skipping even the best bicycle frame and think motorcycle parts for speeds above 35mph.

That was my 20 something YO son, going downhill just to try it out. I am a little older and slightly less insane. We built this bike to haul my large frame up hills, as my wife and I like to ride alot. We live by a forest and a greenway and we hardly ever ride on paved streets. Years of riding a motorcycle has taught me to be very alert when on any two wheeled device.

My DW is very aware of the speeds she rides and I just use enough speed to keep up with her when we ride together.

I was just posting the capabilities of my bike, it is no different than when I take my car to the race track for a track day. I can get it up to over double the legal highway speed on the raceway, but would never think about driving that fast on any public thoroughfare.

 

 
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2016, 12:23:26 PM »
Here's my rainy day & after dark commuter with fender flairs and a full lighting system powered from the 14s source battery (58V charge). DIY dual LED headlights, red tail and amber turn signals with components tucked into a plastic box.  That last pic shows CA recorder screen for max speed and average speed for my commute.

I've watched many e-bikes come and go at my work campus. Very few stand the test of time in daily use.

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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2016, 06:48:36 PM »
Just curious but has anyone been stopped by the cops for not having a license plate on a motorized bicycle. I know several people here in Homestead, Fl who have been cited.
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2016, 07:39:16 PM »
I did tons of research on this before buying my electric kit.

Many times I came across a speed limit max before tags were required because the speed and motor size enabled it to become a motor bike rather than electric assisted bicycle.

The speed demons have created havoc in New York City to the point that ALL electric bicycles were banned.

Many senior citizens and handicapped are up in arms about this because the 15mph and under crowd relied on this newfangled form of transportation to make their life a bit more hospitable.

My electric bicycle doesn't go over 15mph on electric without a really good tail wind and perfect pavement.

I hate to see the speed demons complicate matters for those who need electric assistance at a sedate  sane speed.

Because of my own ongoing complications, I seriously need my electric assist to enable me to get out often on my bicycle. I don't own a car and I sometimes do use my bicycle to shop for provisions. Coming home with the front basket and both rear baskets full of cargo is much easier with the electric assist if I get tired.

Electric assist also helps me cross busy intersections much quicker which makes me safer and the drivers are thrilled to have me out of the way again.

Everyone has to do their own research on their state's laws. I just hope that I can continue to use mine without hassle. I mostly try to pedal and exercise, but the electric assist gives me freedom to test my limits yet still make it back home.
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« Reply #21 on: February 29, 2016, 08:02:22 AM »
Here in BC as long as the pedals are on the bike it is considered a bike, remove the pedals and it is a motorized vehicle. There are a lot of laws on the books that were written before the arrival of ebikes that have to more to do with the motorcycle style of e rides.

On the other side of the pond ebikes are very main stream, and if I remember correctly the average age of purchasers has risin to  55+.

The main problem that I see on some bikes is the use of a throttle as opposed to pedal assist.
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« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2016, 09:27:16 AM »
Back when I looked for local e-bike rules, I remember something like; maximum 600W motor and 20mph unassisted. One good reason to have what I called my valet switch that limits the output power. Perfect for letting other people ride the bike or having some appearance of being in the rules if ever needed. Presumably going above 20mph might be ok with pedaled assistance, so the pedals would need to move accordingly. A large chainring increases the ability to assist at higher speeds and if nothing else provide some illusion of potentially being within the rules. I found 51t and 52t chainrings for a couple of my e-bikes and they worked great for providing assist for speeds above 20.

Other aspects; silence and clutter ... Those that make the least noise and look like a normal bike are least noticed.

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« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2016, 05:41:05 PM »
Here in BC as long as the pedals are on the bike it is considered a bike, remove the pedals and it is a motorized vehicle. There are a lot of laws on the books that were written before the arrival of ebikes that have to more to do with the motorcycle style of e rides.

On the other side of the pond ebikes are very main stream, and if I remember correctly the average age of purchasers has risin to  55+.

The main problem that I see on some bikes is the use of a throttle as opposed to pedal assist.

Mine has both... a throttle for your right hand to use the power however you want to....push a button and it switches it to pedal assist mode where it will only accelerate when pedaling......cuts off when brakes are applied........it's a decent system.... I only use it in throttle mode.
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2016, 02:43:46 PM »
I've been wanting a better camper bike for a while now.
I like the look of that foot forward Day 6 Miss Mermaid!  I've seen the townies, but didn't like them so much with not enough caster angle I guess in the forks, so they didn't feel stable.

I love the idea of these electrics too!....
but I'm torn, wanting a better but cheap bike that I don't have to feel concerned about if I park it at a SP bathhouse or someplace for a bit without locking it up.
and the price is steep for what I have seen
So sadly, I think electrics are out for me
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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2016, 04:22:29 AM »
I've been wanting a better camper bike for a while now.
I like the look of that foot forward Day 6 Miss Mermaid!  I've seen the townies, but didn't like them so much with not enough caster angle I guess in the forks, so they didn't feel stable.

I love the idea of these electrics too!....
but I'm torn, wanting a better but cheap bike that I don't have to feel concerned about if I park it at a SP bathhouse or someplace for a bit without locking it up.
and the price is steep for what I have seen
So sadly, I think electrics are out for me

You can get a new ebike with decent power for as low as $500..... Mine shipped was $800....it is easy to spend several thousand on one as well.
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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2016, 02:37:21 PM »
Greetings,

Just took a 22 mile ride the other day. Felt better than I thought I would after the ride and the next day. Took some shots with my camera that I thought might be of interest to people. Like a lot of communities, we have a number of bike trails. The pictures are on the bike trail and include an old bridge at one end, and the other end of trail where I started (after riding into town). I hide the battery cleverly under the carrying bags. Best!
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« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2016, 10:19:52 AM »
I've been wanting a better camper bike for a while now.
I like the look of that foot forward Day 6 Miss Mermaid!  I've seen the townies, but didn't like them so much with not enough caster angle I guess in the forks, so they didn't feel stable.

I love the idea of these electrics too!....
but I'm torn, wanting a better but cheap bike that I don't have to feel concerned about if I park it at a SP bathhouse or someplace for a bit without locking it up.
and the price is steep for what I have seen
So sadly, I think electrics are out for me

The Day 6 is AWESOME. I travel with a lock on my bicycle and wrist thing I wear that holds the key to bike and motorhome. I lock it outside bath houses and when shopping plus I lock it in the campsite.

Most camps are 99% crime free but in one certain area where I camp, fools are looking to steal bicycles to sell for scrap metal to support curious habits. I lock mine up so the thieves will have to work super hard to take it.

The electric assist bikes or in my case bike plus kit, are SO worth it. I went from riding my bicycle once in awhile to riding it EVERY day. Even now in the heat of summer, I get up insanely early, drink a cup of java then hop on my bicycle in the cool morning for fun and exercise.

The electric has given me the confidence to get up and GO GO GO! The funny thing is I now ride more, pedal more and have super tiny ankles... go laugh oh and I have pretty sturdy legs now too. I have a zillion health problems, but I find bicycle exercising to be much easier than walking.

Then there is the FUN part... at the beach where I camped a month, I could load up my bicycle with doggy, toys, chair, umbrella, water, picnic, towel, book, dog treat, frisbee, beach ball and what ever else I felt like taking that day. We could pedal down the beach away from the crowds and set up our "outpost" which we enjoyed immensely. (I had company.)

If you are not riding your bicycle 6 days a week... then you need electric assist. Also my Day 6 has the back rest so I can seriously put some torque into my pedaling. Awesome!  When I stop I don't have to leave the seat, both my feet hit the ground.

I have 2 rear panniers on my bike so I can haul out the garbage and haul in the provisions. The doggy typically rides in the front basket. Sometimes I stop to exercise him and I just lock up to a tree or sign post or bike rack.

My rear baskets lift off, so I put them in a shopping buggy and know how much in groceries I can buy. The folks at the farmers market got a real kick of me riding from stall to stall tossing in produce.

I see my bicycle as an investment in my HEALTH.

My stamina has improved, my leg muscles are sturdier and this is coming from someone who spent over a year learning to walk again with walkers, canes, cranes and pure torture at physical therapy.

By the way... I had a 40 year hiatus when I did not ride a bicycle at all! So yes, you can teach and old dog new tricks. :)
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2017, 12:14:59 PM »
DearMissMermaid - I love the setup on your Day 6.  Could you share a bit on the various additions you have - like the seat back and the wicker baskets?

And where do you stow the bike when you move, do you need a special setup for it?

And lastly, by doing the bike kit on a traditional bike, do you have the same "must stay dry" concerns as some of the other bikes?
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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2017, 01:31:19 PM »
I bought a Day6 myself (http://day6bikes.com) for my wife for Christmas after seeing DearMissMermaid's post last year. It's really tremendous. I added electricity with a Clean Republic motor. It was a lot less expensive than the ones offered my Day6 and was relatively easy to install. The seat back, as you'll see on the web site, comes with the bike.
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