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Tesla
« on: February 22, 2016, 06:38:20 PM »
I test drove a Tesla model S last weekend in anticipation of buying a model 3 when they come out next year. What an amazing experience. The instant acceleration was mind blowing. Tons of futuristic features. I have seen the future.
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2016, 06:59:36 PM »
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2016, 07:02:59 PM »
I've wanted one for almost 10 years now since Musk came out with his roadster. The model S is on of the best vehicles I've ever driven! With it's new batteries and the widening network of free charging stations across the USA, it's actually practical now.
     Still can't afford one, though, so I drive a Nissan Leaf; most of my driving is local commutes(work, groceries, hardware store, etc.). Had it for 2 years now---no complaints and no longer have "range anxiety" as I've learned exactly how far I can travel before charging. My charging system is 220v and is linked to my photovoltaic system that runs my home. No body is burning coal to charge my car! Truly, no expenses, ever, except to finally replace tires sometime in the distant future.
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2016, 07:06:08 PM »
There are currently 2800 Supercharger stations in the US and by the time the model 3 is released there will be about 5000. Musk is smart enough to realize that electric vehicles will never be built until range anxiety is solved and he is doing a great job of solving it. Putting his Superchargers in shopping malls, movie theater parking lots and rest stops is a stroke of genius.
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2016, 07:33:51 PM »
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... the widening network of free charging stations across the USA...

A couple of years ago I was checking out parking at a nearby civic center where our band was booked to play. I couldn't figure out why they had "vacuum stations" in a multi-floor parking garage. Then it hit me - they were charging stations  :-[
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2016, 10:09:57 PM »
Are they towable four down? 

My neighbor leases a Fiat all electric car and the lease allows them 11 days of free car rental in case they want to go on a trip that's further than the 70 mile range.   

Does Telsa do a similar thing in case you want to go a long distance?
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2016, 11:06:34 PM »
Does towing a Tesla backwards charge the batteries ?
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2016, 12:41:39 AM »
No, but the regenerative braking mode turns the motor into a generator and dumps the recovered energy into the battery.  It would be an interesting software hack to let the car do controlled recharging while being towed 4 down.

Of course, the increased drag would directly impact the motorhome's MPG.  TANSTAAFL, you know.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2016, 01:17:52 AM »
It would be an interesting software hack to let the car do controlled recharging while being towed 4 down.
Here's the hack: using the various bits of info available (brake light circuit, deceleration via accelerometers, perhaps modulated brake air pressure) use progressively aggressive regenerative braking only when the coach is decelerating, i.e., use the toad as a brake source when needed. You could do a lot of battery charging scrubbing off the energy required to slow a 30,000# coach. Bingo! No impact to MPG.

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Re: Tesla
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2016, 04:57:39 AM »
No, but the regenerative braking mode turns the motor into a generator and dumps the recovered energy into the battery.  It would be an interesting software hack to let the car do controlled recharging while being towed 4 down.

Of course, the increased drag would directly impact the motorhome's MPG.  TANSTAAFL, you know.
One of the coolest things about driving a Tesla is one pedal operation. The brake pedal really isn't needed. You let off the gas and it starts slowing down, kinda like engine braking. You only need to tap the brakes for the final stop.
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2016, 07:39:52 AM »
If Publisher's clearing house ever knocks on my door I plan on visiting Tesla Motors (Factory) and having a sit down with an engineer.
They say they can not be towed 4 down.. I suspect I know how to fix that.
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2016, 08:21:01 AM »
I've discovered, with my Leaf, that with very conservative driving, I'm able to get over 110 miles before a recharge is necessary. Of course, everyone in the lane behind me is p----d  off. If I coast to a stop, gradually accelerate from the stop, and never drive above 40 mph, avoiding streets with lots of stop and go allows me more freedom of range.
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2016, 05:26:22 AM »
A buddy of mine who is a Ferrari mechanic just drove the model S last week and was very impressed... he had trouble finding something he didn't like about it.
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2016, 05:30:55 AM »
A buddy of mine who is a Ferrari mechanic just drove the model S last week and was very impressed... he had trouble finding something he didn't like about it.
The only thing I could find that I didn't like about the Tesla was the fact my name wasn't on the registration. :-[
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2016, 07:45:45 AM »
I am told it can not be towed 4 down.. But I suspect if I had coffee with some of their engineers that could be very easily fixed.

In fact there are several forum members who could take my place at that coffee meeting and it would be very easily fixed.
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2016, 08:05:28 AM »
Does towing a Tesla backwards charge the batteries ?

no, ..but you do get free Tesla fuel at RV parks with hook-ups.

I have driven many great cars..........but the Tesla is best car I have ever driven...
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2016, 10:30:45 AM »
no, ..but you do get free Tesla fuel at RV parks with hook-ups.

Yea, wait til they see how much power is used to charge this thing. They will not allow it without a fee if they're smart.
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2016, 11:02:07 AM »
Yea, wait til they see how much power is used to charge this thing. They will not allow it without a fee if they're smart.
It doesn't take very much power to charge a Tesla. Certainly not as much as it costs to run an A/C or a microwave. And since Tesla owners can charge them for free at Superchargers most won't bother to charge in a campground.
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2016, 01:48:58 PM »
It doesn't take very much power to charge a Tesla. Certainly not as much as it costs to run an A/C or a microwave.

Tesla's battery holds 60 KwH.  That's $6 worth of electricity at 10 cents per KwH, $12 worth at 20 cents per KwH.  Campground owners would be justified in recouping that cost especially since your other electrical consumption will be the same as someone not recharging their car using the campground's  electricity.

By comparison a 1500 watt air conditioner or electric heater running continuously for 24 hours uses 36 KwH.
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2016, 04:49:13 PM »
No electricity is free. It is created primarily by coal. Free charging stations are a temporary gimmick to get people to buy them.

$12.00 for the most uncomfortable ride for only 100 miles. Today that would buy 6 gallons of gas. Do the math.
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2016, 05:18:33 PM »
No one is going to tow a totally empty Tesla to an RV park just to refill the batteries, but I guess that they will have to start putting up signs at all the RV parks saying no Teslas allowed.

Solar electricity is about as free as you can get. The Tesla I drove has one of the most comfortable rides I have ever experienced.
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2016, 07:48:40 PM »
.  Campground owners would be justified in recouping that cost especially since your other electrical consumption will be the same as someone not recharging their car using the campground's  electricity.
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They don't charge the millions of Prius owners that come into the parks.......is it because a Tesla is beautiful and a Prius is ugly and they feel sorry for them ?
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2016, 07:55:13 PM »
Any electric car.
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2016, 01:59:58 AM »
Electric = Instant torque.  Full torque @ 1 RPM.  When (not if) they get a 300 mile range and a 5 minute recharge, I'm in.  I'm an old school gearhead and love the sound of an old school V8.....but give me that "pin you in the seat" torque, and it will put a big smile on my face. 
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2016, 02:01:47 AM »
They don't charge the millions of Prius owners that come into the parks.......is it because a Tesla is beautiful and a Prius is ugly and they feel sorry for them ?
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I'm not sure they could have made a Prius any uglier if they tried.  With much better looking hybrids out there, I can't understand why anyone would buy one.  And don't give me that "Toyota quality" nonsense.  We had them in the rental fleet, and they aren't trouble free, no matter what the Toyota fanboys tell you.
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2016, 06:47:04 AM »
Well, as I said, TESLA cars, according to the best info I have, can not be towed 4 down... But I suspect if any of several forum members, myself included, were to sit down with a tesla engineer for about 1 cup of coffee, that could be addressed.

I have an idea that might change the range as well.. but that one I'm keeping to myself.
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2016, 08:08:05 AM »

     To the  posters that haven't driven a quality electric car, I have to disagree with some of your assumptions. I own and daily drive a Nissan Leaf; 2 years, no problems, good and comfortable ride, no worse a ride than my "all, the bells and whistles" Jeep Grand Cherokee. Instant torque to get me out of any sudden uncomfortable or dangerous traffic situations. I don't consider it an unattractive car, nor did I the Prius I owned for 5 years prior. To each his own. I'd rather have a vehicle that is well made, with a comfortable ride, and very fuel efficient to boot. At 65, I no longer feel a need for a "chick magnet". Not to mention, the Prius carried as nearly as much gear, people, etc. as my Grand Cherokee. Now to address the coal burning generation of the electricity to charge an electric car------I have a photovoltaic system on my house that not only runs my home, garage, out buildings, and all my tools, but also, charges my car completely from a 0  charge to 100% in 4 hours. If all I need is enough for a 50 mile round trip or less, the time to 85% charge is less than 2 hrs.. Again, I state that of all the cars I've owned (including sport cars, pickups, suvs, family sedans, a hybrid, 2 muscle cars, and my Leaf), the Tesla I test drove is the best made, most fun, most comfortable, most interesting ride I've ever had, coming in 2nd only to the Piper Cherokee I've flown for years. As for appearance, I've never heard a disparaging comment about the Tesla vehicles. As for the cost of charging a Tesla, it's still less energy and cost than the gasoline used in most of our cars.
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Re: Tesla
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2016, 08:16:33 AM »
greensleep - Don't confuse the haters with logic. :P In a few years they will all be driving electrics. There is no reason to drive a polluting gas guzzling monster once the charging stations are everywhere.
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2016, 08:30:43 AM »
As a lifelong gearhead ...I consider the Tesla and other electric vehicles as the future of automotive. The first time I drove a Tesla I knew is is the beginning of the end of gasoline powered vehicles.

It appears that Rexhall is in the business of making electric city busses, and the rumor is we may soon have an electric class A motorhome.

I am excited to see a major change in the automotive world.
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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2016, 08:32:53 AM »
As a lifelong gearhead I consider the Tesla and other electric vehicles as the future of automotive. The first time I drove a Tesla I knew is is the beginning of the end of gasoline powered vehicles.
All you have to do is drive one and the future becomes very obvious.
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