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Upgrading to LED lights
« on: February 27, 2016, 04:07:42 PM »
I have a 2014 Keystone travel trailer, and I'm thinking of upgrading all, or most of the lights to LED.  In this day and age, I am a little surprised that LED is not the standard, or at least much more widespread.  But anyway, I'm wondering if there are suggestions on brands and such in swapping out the old style bulbs for LED.

Thanks for the help.

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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2016, 06:07:56 PM »
I'm constantly SHOCKED at the prices the LED light folks want for their products. I'd love  to upgrade to LED's in our coach, but since we rarely boondock, it just doesn't seem like the benefit is worth the price.
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2016, 06:26:54 PM »
One of our forum sponsors handles LED bulb and fixtures. Probably not the cheapest source (though they give a 10% discount to forum members), but satisfaction is guaranteed. Many folks here have bought from them.

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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2016, 07:11:18 PM »
I have tried various led bulbs from different vendors, and am disappointed in the lumen output they give out. To get good output you need to pay a premium if thats really the way you want to go. 3-5 dollar led bulbs are not all that great
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2016, 08:09:13 PM »
  How about $0.90 apiece??  I upgraded a year ago by studying LEDs to better understand the differences and rating systems.
 I then ordered them from CHINA thru E-Bay at .90 cents instead of $9.00, you have to wait a little longer for the shipper but well worth it and I am very satisfied with the result.>>>Dan  ( The common 1000% markup is ridicules)
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2016, 08:12:45 PM »
If you're a bit of a DIYer, the cheap Chinese panels will do fine. You can find them on Amazon or Ebay.

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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2016, 10:12:41 PM »
  How about $0.90 apiece??  I upgraded a year ago by studying LEDs to better understand the differences and rating systems.
 I then ordered them from CHINA thru E-Bay at .90 cents instead of $9.00, you have to wait a little longer for the shipper but well worth it and I am very satisfied with the result.>>>Dan  ( The common 1000% markup is ridicules)
It's pretty easy to find inexpensive standard 1156 LEDs but I've spent a fair amount of time trying to find reasonably priced T5 & T8 tube replacements and same with globe and reading lights. A search for RV interior LEDs yields thousands of hits on eBay. For those who have had luck finding cheaper bulbs it would be helpful for others interested in retrofit to know exactly where they were purchased. Do you have a seller or product you can point us to?
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2016, 04:10:24 PM »
You can get them shipped quicker if you make sure and purchase from a seller shipping from somewhere in the U.S. Rather than China.  I just bought, received, and installed 10 of these lights from a seller on EBay by the seller name of "yitamotor".  He ships out of Bellevue, Washington.  I ordered them Feb. 10th and they were delivered Feb. 13th - 10 bulbs for $9.79 and free shipping.  I just looked and they are still listed.

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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2016, 06:40:27 PM »
I have tried various led bulbs from different vendors, and am disappointed in the lumen output they give out. To get good output you need to pay a premium if thats really the way you want to go. 3-5 dollar led bulbs are not all that great

hmmm, I hate to pay a premium for anything but I'll admit, the 2 different discount sets I ordered from Amazon just dont put out enough lumens
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2016, 06:56:32 PM »
hmmm, I hate to pay a premium for anything but I'll admit, the 2 different discount sets I ordered from Amazon just dont put out enough lumens


Make sure when you order them to choose the proper lumens... if it ain't written or without details, just don't order those.
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2016, 07:06:46 PM »
 Also keep the frequency under 4000 to stay away from the blue intense lighting above that.>>>Dan
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2016, 05:03:17 PM »
Has anyone tried Next Wave LEDs? My local RV store swears by them but they're pricey- about $17/bulb and I can not find any reviews online.

http://www.nextwaveled.com/

This is the first set I bought from Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0154FU4H4

And the second:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EL37R8U
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2016, 05:12:36 PM »
Howdy,

Has anyone tried Next Wave LEDs? My local RV store swears by them but they're pricey- about $17/bulb and I can not find any reviews online.

Humrmmr... $17 for something that can be purchased around/under $1... would *love* to hear about what makes them so superior your vendor raves about... :-)

Seriously, I was under the impression these things had already become more or less commoditized. What is the advantage of those bulbs to justify them being so much more expensive?

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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2016, 05:20:29 PM »
 I would suggest anyone who wants LEDs to start with replacing all the condescend bulbs first, they are the energy hogs. Then look closely at the fluorescent tubes, they are less piggish with energy than condescends and usually not as many to replace.>>>Dan
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2016, 05:23:56 PM »
I tried swapping out my incandescents for LEDs and went back to incandescents two days later. I thought they sucked. Really poor color and very low light output. And the only way they will ever pay for themselves is if you leave it on 24/7. Under normal use they really take a long time to pay for themselves.
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2016, 05:44:26 PM »
 It appears you haven't done the energy math.>>>D (Or studied the way to choose what is best for you )
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2016, 05:48:44 PM »
It appears you haven't done the energy math.>>>D (Or studied the way to choose what is best for you )
I am a retired electrician and I have done the energy math.
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2016, 06:13:56 PM »
An 1150 bulb uses 20 watts of power. The LED replacement bulb uses 2 watts for a savings of 18 watts. That means you have to burn the LED about 55 hours before you save one kilowatt of electricity. A kilowatt costs 10 cents. The LED costs about $3.00. Divide 10 cents into $3.00 and you get 30. Multiply that by 55 hours and that means you have to run the bulb for 1650 hours before the bulb pays for itself.
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2016, 06:29:45 PM »
You can get them shipped quicker if you make sure and purchase from a seller shipping from somewhere in the U.S. Rather than China.  I just bought, received, and installed 10 of these lights from a seller on EBay by the seller name of "yitamotor".  He ships out of Bellevue, Washington.  I ordered them Feb. 10th and they were delivered Feb. 13th - 10 bulbs for $9.79 and free shipping.  I just looked and they are still listed.

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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2016, 06:31:17 PM »
An 1150 bulb uses 20 watts of power. The LED replacement bulb uses 2 watts for a savings of 18 watts. That means you have to burn the LED about 55 hours before you save one kilowatt of electricity. A kilowatt costs 10 cents. The LED costs about $3.00. Divide 10 cents into $3.00 and you get 30. Multiply that by 55 hours and that means you have to run the bulb for 1650 hours before the bulb pays for itself.

Our interest is not the $ savings, but the battery savings when boondocking.
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2016, 06:33:42 PM »
Our interest is not the $ savings, but the battery savings when boondocking.
You have to burn a lot of bulbs for a long period of time before you start to affect the battery life. Most people don't sit around at night with a whole lot of bulbs turned on. Most are watching TV.
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2016, 09:23:10 PM »
rockman - I installed them and they work and look GREAT!!  I would highly recommend the ones I bought if you desire and like the bright white lights.  I also installed them in the 12 volt landscape lighting around my house. They are so-o-o-o much better than the small incandescent lights I was having to replace on a regular basis at about $1.25/bulb from Lowe's.  So far they have done great.  I'm hoping the will last MUCH longer than the invades cents.
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2016, 11:24:44 PM »

Make sure when you order them to choose the proper lumens... if it ain't written or without details, just don't order those.

I never order unless BOTH lumen output and color temperature are given.   Most reputable vendors provide that information; the absence of it indicates to me that the seller is trying to deceive uninformed buyers.
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2016, 08:45:02 AM »
Just a couple of notes; I replaced all of the lights in our MH when I bought the rig:

It wasn't cheap as I selected true equivalent (or grester) lumens and my preferred color temperature (about $300 for ~ 30 as I recall)

Original lights that we run all day average about (8 20W = 160 W); that's about 128W of heating.

I haven't replaced an LED since (~ 3 years). I estimate that at least half would have failed by now!

I can actually read by the reading lights now.

I much prefer the new color, but that's personal preferance.

You certainly could save some over what I paid, but probably not over half buying individually regulated LED's, particularly as most of mine are specialized applications. Frankly, for me the convenience and higher quailty light easily justify the cost. YMMD.

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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2016, 09:30:20 AM »
Even though most of my LED purchases have been from established sellers such as superbrightleds.com  a couple of months ago I bought some "direct from China" stuff on eBay because the specs looked good and the price was so low that I wouldn't mind it if they didn't work out.  I was amazed that the product was exactly as advertised and every one of the items worked and continues to work.  The light output was rated at 525 lumens, which is a lot, and these are extremely bright.  The color temperature was described as warm white and these are among the most pleasing LEDs I have seen.

Here's the item I purchased, even though the seller is not the same one as I dealt with.  I suspect that a lot of these direct-from-China sellers are the same or are at least selling the same items.  At $10.99 for 10 of them how can you go wrong?  http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-X-G4-Reading-Light-525-Lumen-15-SMD-5630-LED-Warm-White-Bulb-Lamp-12V-24V-AC/231747292381?_trksid=p2047675.c100040.m2060&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107095009%26meid%3Dfeefe863f29d40869b22290647635be3%26pid%3D100040%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D231747292381
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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2016, 07:51:25 PM »
Good information here on LEDs.
It is NOT always watts that = Brightness.
Look for color temperature.

http://www.eaglelight.com/category/lighting_tutorials.color_temperature/

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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2016, 09:38:10 PM »
I replaced all lights with good quality LEDs, very happy with the results, right color, brightness and savings in energy usage, which to me is important.

However, a few inexpensive LEDs I tried worked fine but wiped  out the off the air TV reception. Buy and try a few before going all out.

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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2016, 12:11:17 AM »
However, a few inexpensive LEDs I tried worked fine but wiped  out the off the air TV reception. Buy and try a few before going all out.

It is the voltage regulators on the LED that causes the interference.   Since the price has come down on all LED's, you can no longer judge which have regulators by the pricing.  If you want the TV to work, you have to buy cheap lamps that are unregulated even though they may have a shorter life. 

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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2016, 11:52:52 AM »
Not sure that is correct at all, the good quality bulbs I bought WITH regulation do not affect the OTA TV, the cheapies without wiped TV out. And I checked the specs.

I repeat, buy a few and try them.

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Re: Upgrading to LED lights
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2016, 06:26:49 PM »
Recently bought these on Amazon. I would say more of a natural light than a warm, yellow light. Very satisfied for the price. Not blue and just right brightness.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013JXKPHM?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

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