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How early do you leave a CG ?
« on: February 05, 2007, 07:52:10 AM »

Hi

After reading the post of the guy who was robbed at the KOA, I had to ask this question :-

The guy had booked into the KOA and was planning to leave at 4am the following morning.

So, given that most CGs have a quiet time until 7am or 8am, how many of you think it is OK to wake your neighbours when leaving your site/CG before 7am ?

Personally, I think it is extremely selfish to book into a CG knowing you are going to leave at such a time.

The same goes for people driving in after 10 or 11pm too.

Or do you guys think it is OK ?

Paul

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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2007, 08:11:05 AM »
Although we don't travel in the dark, we understand why some do; time constraints, less traffic, etc.  An RV arriving late at night won't bother us IF all they do is pull in to a site, and quickly, and quietly, make their hookups.  Same for leaving early, don't run the engine for 15 minutes to warm it up (modern engines don't need that warm up period anyway), just start and pull out.  They key is quietly.  A minute or to of minimal noise won't disturb me.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2007, 08:30:27 AM »
Paul,

What Ned said. Would it be less selfish to do this when overnighting at Wal*Mart?

A few weeks ago we stayed at a campground that had a lot of oil/construction workers living there for a few months. (The office personnel didn't tell us that when we checked in). Most of these guys fired up their engines and left for work around 5.30-6.00am. Although I wasn't an especially happy camper, I wasn't totally unhappy about it. Should they have gone to work late so I could sleep in?
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2007, 08:55:36 AM »

Hi Tom

I think if you stay at WalMart you get what you pay for - Trucks, RVs, 24hr shoppers and even a late-night racetrack for local bikers (had that before).

If the CG you mention had a quiet time policy, and they then chose to accept a number of construction workers, perhaps they should notify people checking-in that the quiet time policy had been suspended and offer you the chance to cancel without penalty.

Perhaps I just like my sleep too much - it usually takes me an hour or so to nod off.

Paul

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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2007, 09:06:40 AM »
It's their buck that is paying for the site and they don't tell me when I can come and go, I don't feel it's my place to tell them.  Although thru the years many many people have told me WHERE to go.  I try to do it quietly cuz I'm an early riser and mover.  I just hope they will show me the same courtesy and do likewise.  If they don't so what,  I retired and a couple minutes of sleep one way or the other isn't going to ruin my trip to whereever.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2007, 09:08:49 AM »
Although we don't travel in the dark, we understand why some do; time constraints, less traffic, etc.  An RV arriving late at night won't bother us IF all they do is pull in to a site, and quickly, and quietly, make their hookups.  Same for leaving early, don't run the engine for 15 minutes to warm it up (modern engines don't need that warm up period anyway), just start and pull out.  They key is quietly.  A minute or to of minimal noise won't disturb me.

Ned,

One small exception. Air ride coaches do need about 5 minutes to air up the bags if they are completely down. If one doesn't put down the jacks then, in most cases, the bags will stay full. This can irritate some neighbors but it is necessary.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2007, 09:14:05 AM »
....perhaps they should notify people checking-in that the quiet time policy had been suspended....

No disagreement Paul. My traveling companion did let them know the following morning that they've turned the CG into a trailer park. They agreed, but I guess they liked the short-term incremental revenue.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2007, 09:27:20 AM »

Jim

We have to have our engine running to raise the jacks, bring the slides in and fill the air bags.

As I cant get into the utility bay with the slides out (my large size rather than restricted utility bay), we would have to run the engine for a few minutes, switch off to do the utilities and then start it up again.

However, if it is dry out, we now tend to pack away the utility stuff the evening before we are due to leave as you can bet it will be raining heavily if we do it the morning we leave - and then we have no alternative other than to go out in the rain (then I usually just send Ann-Marie anyway  ;D).

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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2007, 09:53:15 AM »
Our air pressure comes up in just a few minutes, and I don't object to others doing that.  It's those that think they need to warm up for 15+ minutes that bother me.  Our slide comes in and the jacks come up before we ever start our engine.  I know some coaches don't work that way, but it takes no more time for that than to get the air pressure up.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2007, 12:29:38 PM »
I think a lot depends on the time. If someone next to me fires up their engine at 4 or 5 am, odds are, it's gonna wake me up. And odds are, I'm not going to get back to sleep easily. As for it being "their buck that is paying for the site," well, I paid for my site, too, and I expect to be able to sleep. I can accept anything after 6 am (and I'm a late riser) and anything up until 11 pm but the time period between those hours should be QUIET. I think that's just common respect for your neighbors.

As for Wal-Mart (oh, jeez, here we go again on a new Wal-Mart argument), you get what you pay for, just like rest stops, truck stops, roadside pullouts, etc. I may not like it when the trucker comes into the rest stop at 2 am, parks next to me, keeps his engine running all night long and leaves at 6 am, but, hey, that's the way it is in a rest stop.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2007, 01:10:20 PM »

Wendy

I think you're spot on with the CG and spot on with WalMart too.

Until we got to Florida, we tried to stay in a WalMart twice each week - not really to save money (although now we're paying Florida CG rates it's helped) - but we did it as most WalMarts are located near to Restaurants and we could have a drink and walk back to the RV. Then, it took a lot to wake us anyway. LOL

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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2007, 07:12:58 PM »
I have two setup levels "overnight" where in some cases I can pull up jacks and run in under five minutes, and "Longer" where I'm not leaving the park much before noon, will take that long to finish my AM net run, take down the dish, take in the outside stuff, you get the picture I'm sure.

The earliest I've ever pulled up and ran was around 1am at a flying J truck stop..... All time constraints are off at truck stops
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2007, 08:51:22 PM »
Paul,

I can run the jacks up and bring the slide in without the engine but doing the jacks causes a loud alarm in the coach if the air pressure is down. I really hate that so I start the engine to bring the jacks up. :) The slide is always done before starting the coach.

I try never to spend any more time than necessary if leaving early. Most of the time we don't get underway until about 0700.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2007, 08:53:07 PM »
Ned.

I agree one should not idle for 15 minutes. There are even rest areas on I84 in NY that don't allow trucks to idle more than 15 minutes. If one does idle for any length of time they should be using the fast idle which is even worse!
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2007, 08:21:33 PM »
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We have to have our engine running to raise the jacks, bring the slides in and fill the air bags.

I am surprised that a late model MH requires the engine running to raise the jacks and bring the slides in. Jacks are raised by springs and slides are moved by hydraulic pressure whose pump is run from the house battery.

But sticking with the topic, I always leave a campground at 5 or 6 am and never considered this to be in violation of the cg's quiet hours. I consider quiet hours to mean no loud music, talking or generators.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2007, 09:11:07 PM »
Paul,

I guess if I pay for a campground I  think I  can arrive or leave at any hour.  I   think my neighbors have the same privilege.  Now I hope to be courteous and I hope I luck out and get  folks for neighbors who share my times to get up and sleep in.   Quiet hours only apply to loud noises, parities or running of generators.  Coming and going is part of  a campground.  If a campground is too noisy I leave or use ear plugs in the case of large trains! 

I pay for the time I use the campground and don't think it selfish for others to have their personal schedules as well.  Just me.


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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2007, 09:33:21 PM »
I agree with Betty.  While we very seldom get going before 08:00 or later we don't expect other to comply with our schedule any more than we would comply with somebody elses schedule unless it was somebody we were traveling with.  Now as for running diesels for long periods of time is IMHO inconsiderate of others not to mention their own engine.  I find diesel pickups to be more offending than motorhome engines when the go in and out at all hours.  Trains don't even bother me. ;D
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2007, 06:51:07 AM »
I am surprised that a late model MH requires the engine running to raise the jacks and bring the slides in. Jacks are raised by springs and slides are moved by hydraulic pressure whose pump is run from the house battery.

But sticking with the topic, I always leave a campground at 5 or 6 am and never considered this to be in violation of the cg's quiet hours. I consider quiet hours to mean no loud music, talking or generators.

James,

It depends upon the manufacturer. Some have designed their systems so they won't work unless the engine isn't running. Within manufacturers they also design systems that won't work if the engine is running. Don't ask me why. :) Many slides today, I think the majority, are run by electric motors. Hydraulic slides presented too many problems.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2007, 10:26:16 AM »
If ya gotta go, ya gotta go!  Having tented and traveled in a pop-up campers years ago, I can related to being awakened by motorhomes leaving at all hours, and tenters arrriving late and throwing around tent poles, as well as inconsiderate motorhome owners who run their generator all night, etc.. It's a difficult situation for campground operators trying to keep the peace, when there's really not much that can be done about it because the problem is usually already driving down the road by the time the problem gets to the management by complaints.

That being said, if I had to depart at 4am, I'd probably just leave the night before to get a head start to my destination, then just stop at a rest stop or Walmart for a nap and avoid the whole issue.  I feel bad knowing that I'm causing a disturbance. I don't use campgrounds to stop and sleep for a few hours, that's why I have a motor home.

A campground having  a parking area near the gate with an electrical outlet would be a nice feature for motorhomes having to leave overnight.  The party could just move their rig to the spot closer to the exit and plug it in until the have to leave, at which time they cold just unplug and leave without disturbing others.  That would also free up the site earlier for the campground.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2007, 03:46:16 PM »
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I am surprised that a late model MH requires the engine running to raise the jacks and bring the slides in. Jacks are raised by springs and slides are moved by hydraulic pressure whose pump is run from the house battery.

We try not to run our engine any more than necessary to avoid disturbing others - usually not a problem because we don't arrive late or leave early most of the time.  However, we have diesel pusher with air leveling.  On arrival we have to wait for the leveling system to "come up" to a certain point on the guage (when we hear the "spitter"), after which we turn off the engine and put out the slides.  We have no jacks, but after bringing in the slides we press a button for the air system to level the coach (you may hear air hissing as various bags fill or empty).  On leaving we have to turn on the engine for a few minutes to bring the coach up to ride height, after which we turn off the engine and bring in the slides.  When we're ready to leave we again turn on the engine.  If it's still at ride height we can drive away immediately, but if not, we have to wait again for the "spitter" that indicates we're at ride height.  We never just let it idle for lengthy periods which Cummins says is unnecessary for modern engines.  Keep in mind that every manufacturer has its own directions for leveling and slide movement, so what we do may not be what someone else does in the same situation.  Also, whether we run the engine is an issue independent of springs, hydraulics, and batteries.

We've encountered a few cases where we felt our engine would either be too noisy or perhaps direct diesel fumes directly into our neighbors coach and in those cases we think it's nice to forewarn them so they know what to expect.  We don't like to listen to other people's engines or breathe their fumes, so they should be able to protect themselves against ours.

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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2007, 05:27:42 PM »
The reason they want the engine running, when lowering the jacks, is to insure a full voltage supply to the pump motor

Hooking to shore power on my rig will do that as well (So I can use the accessory position on the switch)

Raising the jacks... Well, there is one reason and only one to raise them once you have leveled (With a couple of special exceptions) and you are gonna need to run the engine... Example of exception.. Had The lovely RV-Girl install a pan-hard bar,  At one point we had to raise jacks w/o moving the rig (But shore power abounded there,, In fact it was the "hotest" spot in the park shore power wise (The transformer was my next space neighbor)

I do someitimes have to raise them if I can't get leveled and move a foot or two to better level the rig... Again, I need engine to move.

But the reason they want engine running is because that pump takes a bunch of power and they do not want you killing your battery half leveled.   

The reason for having you start the engine when Raising the jacks is ... Simplicity of instructions.   Since most of use are smart enough to understand the difference between running the pump and simply opening the valve.

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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2007, 08:03:40 PM »
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The reason for having you start the engine when Raising the jacks is ... Simplicity of instructions.   Since most of use are smart enough to understand the difference between running the pump and simply opening the valve.

I really don't understand the above quotation but I am getting the idea that some leveling jack systems use the hydraulic pump to retract the jacks. Would somebody be kind enough to tell me what systems use a hydraulic pump to retract their jacks.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2007, 07:27:47 AM »
I really don't understand the above quotation but I am getting the idea that some leveling jack systems use the hydraulic pump to retract the jacks. Would somebody be kind enough to tell me what systems use a hydraulic pump to retract their jacks.

James

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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2007, 10:01:23 AM »
JamesOne,

The HWH system uses a hydraulic pump/mechanism to operate the jacks.  We do not have to have the engine on to extend or retract them.  It's an automated system.

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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2007, 11:04:34 AM »
HWH uses springs to return the jacks to the stored position and only uses the hydraulics to extend them.
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Re: How early do you leave a CG ?
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2007, 03:29:38 PM »
Don't know if this fits here, but this thread made me think about a few things and then I got carried away.....
My traveling is work based. My road time is going to an end work destination.
I typically drive until 7:45 PM (leaving about 7:30-8AM). I'm usually 69 feet but, even when shorter, here are the rules I try to follow when traveling to my destination:

No jacks down-Looks to much like camping. The lots and rest centers are level enough for me.
No air bag release-The dog and us have no problem with the extra 6" of elevation.
No slides out-Looks to much like camping.
No awning out-Looks to much like camping.
I stay on the garden center end and not the food end of the Wal-mart.
If rest center size permits, I park in the car section so as not to rob space from the truckers who are mandated to stop at the end of their time (I will pass up a rest center in lieu of a Wal-mart (24 hour) Supercenter when ever possible)

For safety reasons I do not use campgrounds-Don't like to play dodgem with kids after dark plus I'm not camping. (I'm also stingy). Also don't like going way off route just to find closed gates. It's easier to stay on route. I would consider it rude and dangerous to traverse the campground after dark.

After thoughts (after returning from a 5 week, 5000 mile trip):
After dumping, I pull forward before taking on water so the next guy can get started dumping. I hate people that seem to have to play in their  . I have seen people take up to 20 minutes to do a 4 or 5 minute dump, and then, dig out the water hose for another lengthy period.  I actually try to take on water while fueling.
After fueling, I pull forward so the next guy can fuel while I stand in line at the counter.

Definitely not the same subject, but, now that you have me started: If the campground owner is too lazy to get a job in the off season, why should I be expected to subsidize his 4 or 5 month vacation. A campground owner friend of mine (in Michigan) drives semi 5 months per year. He has no off season projects because he does not loaf all summer and let the grounds go to pot.
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