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Brits need help with those "place names"
« on: May 06, 2005, 02:29:09 AM »

Hello All,

Please forgive our ignorance, but we could do with some help in identifying the many "areas" of the US.

We often hear of the "deep south" - what areas are covered by this ?

What about "mid-west" ?

There are many, many terms you guys use for different regions of the US - would anybody like to list a few please (with the towns, cities or even states covered by that term).

As we are planning our 6 month tour, this would really help.

Many, many thanks.

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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2005, 06:48:30 AM »
Hi UK-RV!

Ignorance? no way. Many of us have lived here all our lives and still have trouble with 'regional' names. I'll do a couple; then let the experts add to the list:

Midwest: Actually not the 'middle of the west' as you would expect, but the central states including Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri.
Deep South: Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Mississippi.

Here are a few others, but I'll let someone else fill in the details. Ohio River Valley, Mid-Atlantic states, Appalachia, Southwest, Desert Southwest, Rocky Mountain states - just for starters.

Actually, it our way of getting back at you Brits for having place names that have six or more words to them. I'm sure you know what I mean.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2005, 07:07:18 AM »

Hello All,

Please forgive our ignorance, but we could do with some help in identifying the many "areas" of the US.

We often hear of the "deep south" - what areas are covered by this ?

What about "mid-west" ?

There are many, many terms you guys use for different regions of the US - would anybody like to list a few please (with the towns, cities or even states covered by that term).

As we are planning our 6 month tour, this would really help.

Many, many thanks.



There is no concensus on exact meaning of these terms. A search on Google for each term will provide a sample of what are generally meant by any one of them.  Type in - define xxxxx e.g. define midwest  The top entry will be a dictionary definition which will probably meet your needs but also it will provide other sources.
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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2005, 08:42:49 AM »
A map will give the easy ones, geographic references such as "The Southeast" or "The Northeast".  They are, as the others have said, approximate rather than defined areas with boundaries.  Some regions, however, are cultural as well as geographic. "Deep South" is one of those, encompassing an area whose predominant culture was established early in US history and generally encompassing Georgia, North & South Carolina, Mississippi, & Alabama. Some people would include Arkansas, Tennesee and Virginia in that area too. 

"Midwest" is another term that was established before the US was settled from coast to coast, so it does not refer to the geographic middle-west but rather a vague area around  Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa,  Missouri. "New England" is the extreme Northeast, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, & Maine.
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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2005, 10:41:40 AM »
I see you're having as much trouble with place names across the Atlantic as you do across the Severn Bridge  :)

I see some folks have provided some examples. We've lived here 25 years, travelled the U.S. extensively over the years and, as the others have suggested, came to the conclusion that there was no consensus that provides a precise answer, except in a few cases. Having said that, geography was never one of my strong subjects when we lived in the UK. (Anything north of Newport is London, right?)

Further west than the other examples, and close to home for us:

Pacific Northwest: Oregon and Washington states, possibly including northern California.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2005, 11:23:56 AM »


"Midwest" is another term that was established before the US was settled from coast to coast, so it does not refer to the geographic middle-west but rather a vague area around  Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa,  Missouri.

This part of quote reminds me of the plan by the Dekotas to put together a national advertising campaign because no one remembers them. They are part of mid-west by many accounts.

The whole discussion reminds me of my Financial Manager at Cummins who was from Scotland who took every opportunity to remind me that "you Americans don't speak English"  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2005, 11:30:48 AM »
Financial Manager at Cummins who was from Scotland who took every opportunity to remind me that "you Americans don't speak English" ;D

Did you tell him that s/he didn't speak any intelligible English?  :)
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2005, 11:45:09 AM »
Here's a partial list:
Beantown = Boston
Cigar City = Tampa
Dumpsville = New York City area
La La Land = Los Angeles
Land of Fruits and Nuts = California
Lost Wages = Las Vegas
Left Coast = West Coast
Motor City = Detroit
Mouseville = Orlando
Right Coast = East Coast
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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2005, 11:46:07 AM »
This part of quote reminds me of the plan by the Dekotas to put together a national advertising campaign because no one remembers them. They are part of mid-west by many accounts.

The Dakotas are an area you go through to get from the midwest to the west :)  In all honesty, South Dakota has some very nice scenery like the Black Hills and the Badlands.  Worth a visit.  North Dakota, on the other hand... :D
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2005, 11:53:28 AM »
LOL Bruce. You forgot one very close to you:

Sunshine plywood state: Florida (click here for illustration).
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2005, 11:58:09 AM »
Why do Floridians buy new plywood for every hurricane?  Don't they save it?  Do they think each storm is the last?  Why do they continue to live there?  All these imponderables :)
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2005, 12:07:41 PM »
LOL Bruce. You forgot one very close to you:

Sunshine plywood state: Florida (click here for illustration).

Very good Ned. It can also be called the Blue Roof State.  :D
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2005, 01:03:04 PM »
The Midwest is also often referred to as The Heartland.
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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2005, 08:19:08 PM »
And then we have Texas, the Lone Star State, the United State of Texas, the only state that can have all four climates going at once!  Snow up north in Amarillo, jungle heat and monsoons in the south, dry desert heat in El Paso, and spring or autumn type weather in the East Texas piney woods.  The only state that takes two days to drive across, unless you're one of those masochistic marathon drivers.  Man I love this state!
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2005, 09:23:04 AM »
>>The only state that takes two days to drive across, unless you're one of those masochistic marathon drivers.  Man I love this state!<<

Only state?  Try driving across Alaska.  There isn't even a road that goes all the way across!   ;)
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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2005, 09:37:11 AM »
Why do Floridians buy new plywood for every hurricane?  Don't they save it?  Do they think each storm is the last?  Why do they continue to live there?  All these imponderables :)

In many cases they probably have no place to store it. :)

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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2005, 12:04:30 PM »
>>The only state that takes two days to drive across,>>

Did you forget California...almost 900 miles North to South. Plus you get interesting scenery to view.<G>


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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2005, 12:23:48 PM »
The only state that takes two days to drive across, unless you're one of those masochistic marathon drivers.

Not the only state that it takes two days to drive across just the only state that is the most boring two days driving across.  Alaska is much more beutiful and you can't drive across in two days. ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2005, 02:51:40 PM »
Ron,

It takes a couple of LONG days to go east/west in MT if you do I-94/90!! 

It takes me 3 but we drive slow and for short times.  Texas is 4 and boring on I-10!
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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2005, 03:50:17 PM »
Long days for Nebraska and Wyoming as well.  and Idaho north to south.

But yes Texas will put you to sleep.
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2005, 10:18:50 PM »
Jim & Smoky,

I normally takes us three or four days to cross Texas and 2 days to cross Wyoming or Montana.

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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2005, 10:55:01 PM »
And then we have Texas, the Lone Star State, the United State of Texas, the only state that can have all four climates going at once!  Snow up north in Amarillo, jungle heat and monsoons in the south, dry desert heat in El Paso, and spring or autumn type weather in the East Texas piney woods.  The only state that takes two days to drive across, unless you're one of those masochistic marathon drivers.  Man I love this state!

Ed,

If you drive from Miami to Pensacola it will take 3 days. It's 400 miles from Miami to Jacksonville. Now if you start at Key West.......

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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2005, 07:03:09 AM »


Ed,

If you drive from Miami to Pensacola it will take 3 days.


Not for those of use who drive 75+ and 700-800 MPD  ;D
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2005, 07:28:33 AM »
Not for those of use who drive 75+ and 700-800 MPD  ;D

Why would anyone want to do that? ;)
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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2005, 08:14:10 AM »


Ed,

If you drive from Miami to Pensacola it will take 3 days.


Not for those of use who drive 75+ and 700-800 MPD  ;D

I'm speaking of "normal" drivers. ;D ;D

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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2005, 03:24:00 PM »
Ah shoor hope them thar Britfolks are reedin the ansers to thar questun.
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2005, 03:31:07 PM »
It's getting so that a Texan can't even brag anymore.
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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2005, 04:00:08 PM »
LaTeX:

That happened way back when Alaska got annexed!    ;D

I still remembered when they anounced that on the news, the very first thing all the reporters said was that, "Now the Texans no longer have anything to brag about."  LOL!
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2005, 08:11:12 PM »
And the Alaskans were saying "If those Texans don't stop bragging, we'll split in two and make them the 3rd largest state".
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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2005, 07:31:28 PM »
LOL!
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« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2005, 10:57:01 PM »
>>The only state that takes two days to drive across, unless you're one of those masochistic marathon drivers.  Man I love this state!<<

Only state?  Try driving across Alaska.  There isn't even a road that goes all the way across!   ;)

Not so!  There are roads that go across -- at least south to north.  Homer to Anchorage on the Sterling Hwy.  Anchorage to Fairbanks on the Richardson Hwy.   Fairbanks to Livengood on the Elliot Hwy.  Livengood to Prudhoe Bay on the Dalton Hwy.   Admittedly that last highway is a 2-1/2 day dirt-road bear of a highway but there it is, from the Pacific to the Arctic Oceans.  In a car.  In the summer.
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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2005, 07:36:45 AM »
Some regions, however, are cultural as well as geographic. "Deep South" is one of those, encompassing an area whose predominant culture was established early in US history and generally encompassing Georgia, North & South Carolina, Mississippi, & Alabama. Some people would include Arkansas, Tennesee and Virginia in that area too. 



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Glad to see that a transplanted yankee floridian understands that Florida is not part of the South! :)
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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2005, 01:05:45 PM »

Hi Tom

YEP - we're still here.

Im starting to get worried that understanding the place names wont be as much of a problem as understanding the way the Americans have messed around with our fine language.  ;D ;D

Whats a TIRE ?
How about LITER ?

Surely they should be TYRE and LITRE,

Oh God, I just realised that Im "learning American" already.........I should have started with Yes, not YEP (where did that come from).

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« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2005, 01:29:43 PM »
YEP - we're still here.

Spoken like a true Yankee doodle RVer.

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.... understanding the way the Americans have messed around with our fine language.

LOL just don't say that when you're here. Your translations were correct, and there are plenty of other examples in everyday use. Many words have an entirely different meaning, e.g. if you happen to be a smoker, don't do as some of our UK visitors do when they get off the plane in San Francisco saying "I need a fag" - you might not get what you expect. Geography also takes on a new meaning when someone asks if the UK is a part of England.

OTOH if you put a pebble in your mouth and speak "college English", most folks won't understand a word you say anyway. You can always tell when that happens - they go very quiet, smile, and have that deer-in-the-headlights look in their eyes.
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« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2005, 01:50:01 PM »
Joel,

Everyone knows that Florida is just a suburb of Cuba ;D
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« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2005, 06:42:58 PM »
Okay, well, I'll admit, it's not the only state, but really, Alaska.  Once you get to Anchorage or Fairbanks, there's not much more except virgin territory.  I spent 3 years in Fairbanks while in the Air Force, and truly love it.  We drove down from Fairbanks to Omaha, and was the best thing I think I ever did.  An absolutely gorgeous drive.  Highly recommended.  But as someone said, normal driving.  And normal states.  And yes, California north to south would be a two dayer, but that's hardly a normal state either.  And, well, I better shut up before I get myself in trouble.  Oh, but I do love sparking a little controversy!  (All in fun  ;D ;D
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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2005, 09:04:01 AM »
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Glad to see that a transplanted yankee floridian understands that Florida is not part of the South!

You got that right, Joel.  Probably some bits of northern Florida should be considered "Deep South" but certainly not the state as a whole!  It's in the Southeast, but not the "Deep South".  Got to be confusing for our UK friends.

On the other hand, the UK has plenty of regional names too. The regions are smaller, sometimes county size, but just as distinct.
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« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2005, 09:21:19 AM »
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Once you get to Anchorage or Fairbanks, there's not much more except virgin territory.

You must be a big city boy, edjunior.   ;) ;)  There's lots more to AK than just Anchorage & Fairbanks. You can readily reach Soldatna, Homer, Valdez, Tok, Haines, and  & Skagway by car or RV. Even little Chicken in the northeast and tiny Hyder in the southern panhandle. I've got to admit, though, the roads to/through those towns still leave a lot of inaccessible  virgin territory  [more than all of Texas!].  ;D
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« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2005, 09:34:38 AM »
On the other hand, the UK has plenty of regional names too. The regions are smaller, sometimes county size, but just as distinct.

LOL a few Gary, like the Midlands, the West Country, and the Smoke.
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« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2005, 09:59:56 AM »
You must be a big city boy, edjunior.   ;) ;) 
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Unfortunately, I am city transplanted.  Which I'm hoping to rectify with this new RV.  However, back to the Alaska thing, it's rough riding just about anywhere except those hotspots.  But for anyone willing, it's a trip I highly recommend taking, even if only to Anchorage/Fairbanks.  And a must see of course is Mt. McKinley.  I can't speak for the road condition there anymore, it's been too long since I've been there, but what was one summer, may not be the same the following summer.  Winters are real bad on the Alaskan roads.  And I did plenty of camping/fishing during my three years there, and loved all of it.  I just hated the cold winters.  That's why I live in the south now!  I'll visit up that way in the summer!
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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2005, 03:20:23 PM »

Hi Tom

YEP - we're still here.

Im starting to get worried that understanding the place names wont be as much of a problem as understanding the way the Americans have messed around with our fine language.  ;D ;D

Whats a TIRE ?
How about LITER ?

Surely they should be TYRE and LITRE,

Oh God, I just realised that Im "learning American" already.........I should have started with Yes, not YEP (where did that come from).

Ah weel, you're just getting started.   I suppose you already know that we drive on the right hand side of the road.   However, I will bet you do not know that....

We have no traffic circles to speak of.  99.9999% of our intersections are right angle crossings.

We do have 4 way stop signs.  Priority is decided by arrival time.   If there is a tie, as is usual, the car on the right goes first.   Don't ask...it seems to work out.

Petrol is gasoline and is sold by the US gallon (3.785 liters).  Cross a state line and the price of the stuff can jump up or down as much as 50 cents a gallon.  One benefit is that you can pay at the pump and not have to pay some slackjawed attendant in a greasy booth.

If you are ticketed for a traffic violation the officer could be a city policeman, a county deputy sheriff, a state highway patrolman or trooper, or even a park ranger.  But don't worry, they all take the same type of dollars at the courthouse.

American roadside dining, if one can call that dining, is suprisingly good and cheap  compared, say, to the Little Chef's that litter the UK.  However, I will caution you that US travel plazas have little to offer beyond UK travel plazas.  There is something evil about travel plazas.

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« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2005, 03:46:20 PM »
I bet your more confused than ever.
Its quite easy really just dont try to make sense of it all.
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Re: Brits need help with those "place names"
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2005, 06:16:26 PM »
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And a must see of course is Mt. McKinley.


If you can see it.  From Fairbanks or Anchorage it is visible only in the winter under normal conditions.  In the summer it is too haze and cloud obscured to be visible.   In the park itself, it is not visible from the town of Denali and for most of the tourist areas.   All those gorgeous shots of the mountain are take of the north wall (all 18,000 feet of it) from Wonder Lake.  Unfortunately, Wonder Lake is at the end of a 85 mile trip on park shuttles -- at 20 mph.
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