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Rudeness...
« on: July 05, 2016, 10:35:05 PM »
This evening my wife and I went out to a Chinese Restaurant in Independence Ia for supper.   We were seated in an out of the way corner.  The next two tables closest to us were filled within minutes of our arrival. 

Once we got settled, I noticed that on both of the tables closest to us cell phones out and in use of some sort.  One table had an elderly couple with what appeared to be their young adult grandson.  He proceeded to make calls and carry on phone conversations all the while pretty much ignoring the old couple.

The other table had a Husband and Wife with about a 3 year old little girl who was very lively, through out their meal the Dad had his phone in front of his face while seemingly keeping one ear cocked to the little girl who was bouncing off the seat cushions.  He seemed to completely ignore the wife. 

I was appalled at the actions of the young adult male and his complete rudeness toward the old couple.  They seemed to be resigned to it and said nothing to him.  It was all I could do to not walk over and take the phone from him and stick it where he would not be able to retrieve it easily in case he actually had to make an important call. 

I called all of the proceedings to my wife's attention.  She had been aware of it as well.  Only then did she tell me that the young mother had her phone out as well and was texting and playing a game too.  I couldn't see, as her back was to me and my view was obscured by it.

What is going on?  Have the people completely lost their minds?  Where does this rudeness come from? 

I have seen the commercial about "digital dead walkers"  I guess I am now starting to slightly understand.  I think that these digitally addicted could be led off a cliff like lemmings and the world would be a better place.
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2016, 12:56:48 AM »
A number of years ago I took my daughter and son, who were home for a visit, out for dinner. Before our meals were served my daughter took a call and stayed with it for the first half of her salmon dinner, about 20 minutes.

One of her customers had a problem with a networking system she engineered and a tech called her for assistance. She walked him through solving the problem and a quick operations test.

Not all of those youngsters are playing games all day and night. Some of them, like my daughter, never leave their office... which is their laptop and cell phone.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2016, 01:40:03 AM »
Your point is well made, however it was a blatant display of rudeness on her part to do it the way you describe. 

Because she is tethered to her office at all times, then she had the ability to get up, excuse herself, leave the table and go and field her service call from the bathroom, or outside or back in the car.

Had I been a diner in close proximity to her 20 minute service call, my dinner would have been just a disrupted as hers and yours, and you should have not put up with it as well.

We are to the point now that non action on our part condones rudeness.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2016, 02:06:20 AM »
First you are offended because you see someone on a cell phone.

Now you're offended because someone at an adjacent table could handle their business in a quiet, professional manner while eating their dinner. Frankly, our table was much louder after she was done with her business and all three of us caught up on each other's lives.

Maybe it is you who should pay more attention to your own dinner guest and less time staring at the actions of every other patron in the establishment, who must find you really rude.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2016, 03:08:24 AM »
Larry,  you have to be kidding. 

A restaurant is not the setting to take a call, make a call, play a game or surf the web.  It is completely inappropriate and should not be done and if done is blatant rudeness, thus the title of my original posting.  The fact that you choose to attack me shows that you obviously condone these actions.  You must have a high tolerance for BS and must not have raised your daughter to be any better. 

Where are her manners?  Did you really teach her to have so little regard for you as to feel it is appropriate to disrespect her parent by this display of 'RUDENESS'?

Just because technology lets this kind of thing happen, does not give some one else the automatic  right to subject strangers to their life or conversations many times held loudly with little regard for anyone else other than their feeling that since their "PHONE" summoned them they now have the right to be RUDE to total strangers.

I was not offended that he took or made the call, he could have taken his leave and handled it appropriately as your daughter could have also.  What offended me was the disrespect to the Grandparents who were obviously hurt by the whole thing, but had grace enough to be embarrassed and end the meal and let him get back to his busy life.
 
When all this takes place loudly less than five feet away it is a little hard to ignore.  You don't have to look up or pay attention, you don't have any choice than to be drug into it kicking and screaming as normal conversation with my wife was all but impossible with his call going on.
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Re: Rudeness...
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2016, 06:08:10 AM »
Hi Tom,

Every situation is different, of course, and often hard to thoroughly describe.  That said, I too find people's behavior with their phones to be generally rude and inconsiderate.  Sadly, that describes our modern society in a nutshell...  There are a few folks that are able to talk quietly into their phone but the majority seem to talk quite loudly.  I am fairly miserable when 'trapped' in a restaurant, airport gate, doctor's office, or similar with these folks.  Games (with the sound off) or using the phone for reading doesn't bother me though (assuming these are strangers and not people that I am treating to dinner!).  I'm not positive but I think (using your scenario) that it is no longer socially acceptable for the grandparents to tell the boy to put the phone away and visit with them (sadly).  Of course, all this tells me that my expectations of adults is obviously out of line considering how little is expected from our youth. 

Not a very positive comment on my part.... sorry.   :(
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2016, 06:37:11 AM »
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2016, 06:49:19 AM »
I spent the month of May on vacation visiting friends and relatives, most of whom I had not seen in over a year. I was shocked at how often someone would pull out a phone and start texting while we were in the middle of a conversation. I only have a few hours to visit with them and they can't put down the dam phone for an hour or two.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2016, 07:06:00 AM »
I see more and more establishments posting signs asking not to use cell phones while in their building. If you have to use a phone for business or a personal call, take it outside away from everyone. I don't want to hear what's going on in you life. It's just being respectful.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2016, 07:09:47 AM »
What this truly is? A sign of the times.....
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2016, 07:34:50 AM »
Tom,
It's is truly a different generation. Not bad, but different. Their electronics become an extension of themselves identifying where they are, what they're doing, and what they're thinking. When we had teenagers at home I would put the kibosh on electronics at the dinner table so we could visit. That rule has stuck even today when we get together to visit. But now it seems this generation can multi-task so well they can do both - carry on a conversation and click their little buttons!
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2016, 08:19:21 AM »
1. Being a geezer I find using a cell phone at the restaurant table something I never do. Emergencies, (work included) would require me to excuse myself from the table to help some newbie to get a clear picture on their RV tv. (Push the damm button I showed you on the walk through.)

2. Thinking through the situation, what is the difference when other patrons are having a conversation between themselves? Do you eavesdrop on them?

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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2016, 08:34:00 AM »
Tom,

Nowhere in your original post did you say anybody was loud. Do you now think now you need some additional justification for your comments?

You were offended because someone was quietly talking on a phone and another was texting! You need to get out more. Or, maybe not!
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2016, 08:47:37 AM »
Larry, In all fairness, Tom posts his appall at the rudeness displayed by the kid to the older couple; not toward him personally.
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2016, 08:57:50 AM »
We were walking in downtown Charleston the other day. A Mom & Dad were being followed by 3 teens/pre-teens and each had their noses in their cell phones (the kids, not the parents) as they walked. DH and I looked at each other and rolled our eyes. It really was kind of pathetic.

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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2016, 09:00:34 AM »
There is nothing new here. Teenagers have been ticking off old people since day one. It will never stop no matter how much complaining you all do on a forum. Of course when I was a teenager then all teens were perfect. ::)
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2016, 10:06:30 AM »
Tom Seiller I wish we had a thumbs up button! You are so funny!  ;D ;D My same thoughts........ ::)
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2016, 10:12:40 AM »
I agree with Tom that it is indeed a a strange indicator of society when a group of 4-5 people (in some social gathering/situation) involves almost everyone looking down at their phone/device... whether work, recreation, etc.  Heck, restaurants are even promoting electronic communications to do business.  One sit-down burger place we went recently has devices on each table which permit the customer to order their food, play games while they wait (for a fee of course), and pay the bill at any time.  Why bother with waiters or waitresses!

While younger generations are certainly more device-centralized (as they have grown up with it and don't know any different), that's not exclusively the case.  My parents (in their mid 60's) have Galaxy S6 phones, probably pay $100/month for their data plan, and always seem to be messing around online.  Meanwhile my wife and I have among the cheapest Tracfone and Boost Mobile smart phones/plans, with a teenager and preteen who still don't have their own phones yet (almost unheard of).

Face to face interaction is becoming a rare commodity, something that my wife & I are trying to actively teach our kids since they certainly won't learn it anywhere else!  We're trying to keep them grounded to the "real" world as much as possible.
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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2016, 10:24:26 AM »
Amber and I are the parents of a 5 y/o and we are VERY conscious of tech addiction. I am a software developer, so my income depends on people using the software I help create. HOWEVER, when Amber and I grew up there were no such devices, we just had TV and very primitive game consoles. We both ate dinner at a dinner table and talked about our days with our respective families. That was how it was.

Today, we find ourselves distracted by our iPhones and iPads, but one of us is usually there to say "Turn it off." We have made it a point to eat dinner at the dinner table where we can talk to each other and leave the distractions, including TV, off. When we do go out in public, we are dismayed by how other parents (and grandparents) use technology as ways to keep children occupied, almost as if they don't want to talk to them or are afraid if they don't give them the gadget, they will scream and embarrass them. Little do they know that in some people's eyes, they are shaming themselves by allowing the technology to replace their interaction.

Just like Tom mentioned, children have always had things that their parents didn't and everyone says this will destroy our race. It hasn't yet and I sincerely hope that we will acknowledge the problem and educate parents and caregivers regarding the harmful effects of technology on sleep, attention, aggression, etc.

Fingers are crossed.
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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2016, 10:36:42 AM »
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Heck, restaurants are even promoting electronic communications to do business.  One sit-down burger place we went recently has devices on each table which permit the customer to order their food, play games while they wait (for a fee of course), and pay the bill at any time.  Why bother with waiters or waitresses!

King's Food Host (I was in Topeka, KS then) was doing that back in the mid '60s -- they didn't have waitresses, you just ordered from the booth. Someone did bring your order to the table, though.
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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2016, 10:39:40 AM »
Maybe this is a sign that some restaurants need to take the initiative and introduce a dining area with a "cell free zone". How hard would it be to build a room with a Faraday cage around it so no electronics would operate within the area?
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2016, 10:50:26 AM »
Maybe this is a sign that some restaurants need to take the initiative and introduce a dining area with a "cell free zone". How hard would it be to build a room with a Faraday cage around it so no electronics would operate within the area?

As far as I know, it is illegal to block cell signals. There was a "gentleman" that was arrested and charged with a federal crime for blocking cells signals on his way to work on I4 here in Florida. He purchased a device online from China. He said he was tired of watching people using their phones while driving. Problem is that he disrupted first responder communications also.

This link specifically talks about jammers, but I think it applies to intentional blocking also.

https://www.fcc.gov/general/jamming-cell-phones-and-gps-equipment-against-law
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« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2016, 12:00:49 PM »
Maybe this is a sign that some restaurants need to take the initiative and introduce a dining area with a "cell free zone". How hard would it be to build a room with a Faraday cage around it so no electronics would operate within the area?


Ive thought that schools should do this to keep students off their devices during class hours.  But its been shot down by parent groups who want little Billy to have access to communication at all times.  I can understand the access in some crisis situations, but most of the time I think it causes more distractions and downplays the authority of the teacher & school rules.
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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2016, 02:08:17 PM »
There is nothing new here. Teenagers have been pissing off old people since day one. It will never stop no matter how much complaining you all do on a forum. Of course when I was a teenager then all teens were perfect. ::)

Agreed, but this goes way beyond teens.
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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2016, 02:18:49 PM »
It's the culture and I don't think it's going to change anytime soon.

We were kayaking with three other full-timing couples. The other three still needed to work. While we were kayaking two of the other women were on conference calls.

Before I retired I used to have lunch every Friday with three or four other guys. We had been doing this for over twenty years and our cell phones were becoming a distraction at lunch. So we decided that everyone would put their phone in the middle of the table and the first to answer his phone paid for lunch. Pretty much solved our problem.
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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2016, 05:29:11 PM »
Saw this and thought about this post.
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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2016, 05:36:07 PM »
LOL Jackie, good one!
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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2016, 06:00:56 PM »
For what it is worth Tom' I agree with you 100 percent.
 It is rude, but unfortunately the sign of our times

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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2016, 07:04:53 PM »
Saw this and thought about this post.

LOL. But the next generation will not go outside...
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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2016, 07:12:08 PM »
My father was upset at my Transistor Radio and the way I carried it all of the time. Times have changed...Lighten Up for heaven's sake. Bigger things to be concerned about then what other folks do with their time. :)
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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2016, 08:44:15 PM »
I once walked over to an adjoining table in a restaurant where a guy was holding a loud conversation on speaker phone and joined the call. I told them that since we had to listen to the call, I might as well be part of it.
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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2016, 10:38:58 PM »
It may be illegal to use get caught using one,  but now I want one of those Chinese cell phone blockers..
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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2016, 12:23:53 PM »
So far we have people who want to stick someone's phone where it wouldn't be easily accessible, build Faraday cages in schools,using radio signal interference to control other people's behavior and deciding, with absolutely no basis in fact, how other people feel when dining companions use technology. Whatever happened to mind your own business? If one doesn't like people using technology in their presence that is fine, and should be communicated prior to being with those people. Maybe send a text? LOL. I find this more to be an issue with "mature" people. Please do not try to force upon me, and other people, your opinions on the proper times and places to use technology. We should all set our own individual boundaries without trampling on other people's rights.
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« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2016, 01:01:41 PM »
So far we have people who want to stick someone's phone where it wouldn't be easily accessible, build Faraday cages in schools,using radio signal interference to control other people's behavior and deciding, with absolutely no basis in fact, how other people feel when dining companions use technology. Whatever happened to mind your own business? If one doesn't like people using technology in their presence that is fine, and should be communicated prior to being with those people. Maybe send a text? LOL. I find this more to be an issue with "mature" people. Please do not try to force upon me, and other people, your opinions on the proper times and places to use technology. We should all set our own individual boundaries without trampling on other people's rights.
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Obviously YOU are missing the whole point... Many of us would very much like to mind our own business, but we are being infringed upon by the inconsiderate actions of the ones who are loud and obnoxious behavior with their electronics devices.
What I said earlier a restaurant having a dining room with a Faraday cage was for people who CHOOSE to use such an area of their own free will in order to be free of the annoying devices. There are some people who would appreciate their desires to be met too, you know .... well maybe you don't??
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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2016, 01:55:13 PM »
Obviously YOU are missing the whole point... Many of us would very much like to mind our own business, but we are being infringed upon by the inconsiderate actions of the ones who are loud and obnoxious behavior with their electronics devices.
What I said earlier a restaurant having a dining room with a Faraday cage was for people who CHOOSE to use such an area of their own free will in order to be free of the annoying devices. There are some people who would appreciate their desires to be met too, you know .... well maybe you don't??

I don't think I missed any points. Is there a difference between technology users and just plain old loud people? Unless you are in a fine dining establishment, a number of which have no cell phones at the table policies, there has to be a reasonable expectation that some noise from the other guests will be happening. Just the proximity of the tables, not to mention the acoustics, in a casual dining restaurant will make that environment reasonably noisy. We have many rights in this great country, the right to not be offended/outraged is not one of them. If an establishment had the environment you so dislike I would not patronize it. I would not expect everyone to meet my expectations. Our comfort and happiness is not anyone's responsibility, it is ours alone. Vote with your wallet, don't patronize those noisy establishments, and see if that brings about the changes you desire.
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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2016, 02:10:44 PM »
First you are offended because you see someone on a cell phone.

Now you're offended because someone at an adjacent table could handle their business in a quiet, professional manner while eating their dinner. Frankly, our table was much louder after she was done with her business and all three of us caught up on each other's lives.

Maybe it is you who should pay more attention to your own dinner guest and less time staring at the actions of every other patron in the establishment, who must find you really rude.
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« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2016, 02:15:20 PM »
We have many rights in this great country, the right to not be offended/outraged is not one of them.

I have to disagree to a certain extent. Remember years ago when they came out with those huge boom boxes. Kids would need a forklift to carry them around they were so big. They would take them to the beaches in my area and crank the volume up on them. People got so tired of hearing that they complained and before long they were outlawed on the beaches. Just like loud exhaust/mufflers on cars,  loud music from cars and loud motorcycles.   
Just like smoking in restaurants. It's Illegal in most states as far as I know because smokers were infringing on my rights and health.
If you ant to use your electronic devices in restaurants, please have the courtesy to walk away so that people can enjoy their meal and not have to listen to what's transpired that day in someone's life.
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« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2016, 03:54:17 PM »
I have to disagree to a certain extent. Remember years ago when they came out with those huge boom boxes. Kids would need a forklift to carry them around they were so big. They would take them to the beaches in my area and crank the volume up on them. People got so tired of hearing that they complained and before long they were outlawed on the beaches. Just like loud exhaust/mufflers on cars,  loud music from cars and loud motorcycles.   
Just like smoking in restaurants. It's Illegal in most states as far as I know because smokers were infringing on my rights and health.
If you ant to use your electronic devices in restaurants, please have the courtesy to walk away so that people can enjoy their meal and not have to listen to what's transpired that day in someone's life.

The boom boxes is a great example of exactly what I was talking about. People voted with their wallet and/or complained and a new policy was started. Why not use the same tactic for, what some perceive, rude people on electronic devices? If enough people complain changes will be made, otherwise we have a new norm.
Since we are all guaranteed the rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness I understand the smoking ban for obvious reasons. Maybe even the loud mufflers to protect our hearing above a certain decibel level. Someone talking at the next table? Not so much. Kids bugging "mature" people by having their noses in an electronic device, not really. As has been said before, there really is no difference between a loud group seated near you and someone on an electronic device. If it bugs you that much inform management that you will no longer patronize that establishment unless things change. Don't expect everyone to conform to your standard of quiet. Most restaurants and bars don't have a library.
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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2016, 06:00:11 PM »
If someone is using a phone in a public place it doesn't bother me, however if they are loudly talking I will move closer and in an obvious way listen in to the conversation. They usually will move away or disconnect.

On a completely different  note. I once saw a young girl texting while she was walking across a parking lot. She tripped on a curb and fell face first into a planter. She got up, brushed herself off and fell into the same planter again. But she never dropped the iphone or missed a text.

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On a completely different  note. I once saw a young girl texting while she was walking across a parking lot. She tripped on a curb and fell face first into a planter. She got up, brushed herself off and fell into the same planter again. But she never dropped the iphone or missed a text.

Ah yes "walking while texting" could be the next major threat out there on the streets... threat to themselves that is.  Watching people ride a bicycle while texting (or even just talking on the cell phone) is even more laughable!
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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2016, 09:19:58 PM »
IMO ).............the "Electronic Device" is probably responsible for more traffic accidents than drunk driving is today.

cell phones kill motorcyclist,    I know several people killed by these same people that are addicted to their..... 'Electronic Device' .
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« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2016, 06:50:53 AM »
Alas I know someone who texts while driving....
I have my own way of doing that.. I usually have the phone in a holder, playing TORQUE (A Glass Dash application) monitoring engine performance..  So when a message beeps in I can glance and read the pop up so I know what it is.. "New sale at Tangier Mall" Ignore it.. Something Important from the young lady above.. Find a parking spot and deal with it, then continue on.
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« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2016, 07:11:36 AM »
NH passed a law recently banning the use of a cell phone while driving, period. Even if you're stopped at a red light or a stop sign. It's still illegal.  I love it.  :)
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« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2016, 07:39:14 AM »
Sounds like NH is a little slow Rene; California passed such a law some years ago, and subsequently passed a separate "no texting while driving" law. Mayor Chan of Oakland was caught on video clearly holding her phone up; She was let off, claiming she was using the GPS app, not making a call or texting  ::)
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« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2016, 07:44:24 AM »
Sounds like NH is a little slow Rene; California passed such a law some years ago, and subsequently passed a separate "no texting while driving" law.

We are a little slow.   ;D :D ;)  Some people still have Princess phones. How many members never heard of them?  No more party lines either.
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« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2016, 07:57:14 AM »
I have been in the New England area for a while now, and have seen tons of people messing with their phones while driving. It's easy to tell, they are the ones driving slower, and slower, and slower........
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« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2016, 08:04:08 AM »
Some people still have Princess phones. How many members never heard of them?

We don't have a land line, but DW still has a pink Princess phone.Our granddaughter that recently turned four loves to play with it.
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« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2016, 09:58:13 PM »
Ah yes "walking while texting" could be the next major threat out there on the streets... threat to themselves that is. 

We toured James Madison's Montpelier today. The tour was over, and our group was going down the stairs from the 2nd floor. An older teen with the group fell down several stairs because he was........you guessed it....texting or whatever on his phone!!!!
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« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2016, 10:10:57 PM »
What a great kid that teenager must be! I hope you helped him up and expressed concern for any bumps he may have received.

He was probably using a mouse tracks or other program to save his aged grandparents a few steps going back to the car. What a kid!!
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« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2016, 04:52:13 AM »
Maybe this is a sign that some restaurants need to take the initiative and introduce a dining area with a "cell free zone". How hard would it be to build a room with a Faraday cage around it so no electronics would operate within the area?

I kind of like this idea. But not physically blocking the signal, just an enforced rule. Remember being asked by the hostess "smoking or non-smoking?" Now it can be "texting or non-texting?"
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« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2016, 07:33:38 AM »
IMO ).............the "Electronic Device" is probably responsible for more traffic accidents than drunk driving is today.

cell phones kill motorcyclist,    I know several people killed by these same people that are addicted to their..... 'Electronic Device' .

I just lost a friend this year that had made it thru life 85 years. He was in great health and was working with his son doing landscaping when he was run over by a person on their cellphone. He was against the curb on a standup mower in a residential neighborhood when she crushed him.
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« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2016, 08:12:19 AM »
We are a little slow.   ;D :D ;)  Some people still have Princess phones. How many members never heard of them?  No more party lines either.

We don't have a Princess, but we do have a couple of Trimline's (R), one on the wall and one on a nightstand.  ::)
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« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2016, 03:37:09 PM »
British Columbia has a law against using hand held devices while driving and the fines recently got much stiffer. Some still don't get it, one recently lost her license after the 15th ticket. The fines were just part of the cost of doing business. A bylaw has been proposed to ban texting while walking in public places in Vancouver but it likely won't fly. Even if it does enforcement would be difficult to say the least.
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« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2016, 05:19:56 PM »
My wife was called into work (Hospice On Call) Saturday because the Duty On Call Nurse was going to a patient's house and had her laptop open on the passenger seat and speculation was, she may have looked down at the computer and drive at the same time and hit a curb, bounced over it and hit a tree and was injured severely, taken to Iowa City on the Life Flight Helicopter.  She was taken off the machines today. She did not make it.

From one stand point this is tragic.  From  another, at least she took no one else along with her.

My wife told me that the reason Hospital Hospice Dept went to computers for the Hospice nurses was because a couple of years ago another nurse died in an accident and Patient Records (paper) were strewn all across the accident site and many were lost.
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« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2016, 11:24:50 PM »
What is going on?  Have the people completely lost their minds?  Where does this rudeness come from? 

I have seen the commercial about "digital dead walkers"  I guess I am now starting to slightly understand.  I think that these digitally addicted could be led off a cliff like lemmings and the world would be a better place.

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I don't think is rudeness, it's a real disease. Virtual world is addictive and so the victims are addicts. It's like any drug, it creates dependency and they feel real discomfort if they stop using the internet, games, apps, etc.
Last week our family with my father in-law where walking in the park, I was with the kids at the play area and DH and his dad where talking politics, etc. Then we noticed dozens of people, mostly young, in their 20's, walking in groups or in couples, staring at their phones, all of them... Some where holding one hand, while the other was active on the phone. We live in a small city, but the "zombie bug" is everywhere. And now is a complete hysteria going on with that Pokemon game... :o
The computer, tablet, laptop do the same thing. So many people are spending the vast majority of their awake time, in front of a gadget of some kind.
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« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2016, 12:25:21 AM »
This entire thread would be hilarious except for the fact that conversations such as this will soon be taking place:

"Hey Mom, did I have grandparents?"

"Of course you did... here, I'll send you a picture of them."
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« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2016, 06:41:20 AM »
This entire thread would be hilarious except for the fact that conversations such as this will soon be taking place:

"Hey Mom, did I have grandparents?"

"Of course you did... here, I'll send you a picture of them."

They are the one's with nothing in there hands.   ;D
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« Reply #58 on: July 30, 2016, 04:35:16 PM »
This thread has become even more true with the explosion of Pokemon Go recently.  It's a digital app game that is based on GPS maps and requires users to physically travel around their areas to locate different goals in the game (not unlike geocaching with time restrictions).  Now there are all sorts of recent documented cases of people walking out in traffic, trespassing on restricted property, and basically having no regard for themselves/others... all in the name of finding some digital trinket that means nothing.
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« Reply #59 on: July 30, 2016, 06:13:37 PM »
I was following what I thought to be a drunk driver last week. When he finally pulled over, I could see that the idiot was playing Pokemon while driving.
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« Reply #61 on: July 31, 2016, 05:33:20 PM »
Whenever you do something that makes you feel stupid - just remember there are people out there playing Pokémon go :)
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« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2016, 07:34:26 PM »
When I bought my last car car, a 06 Mustang GT, I was driving along listening to the radio and my phone rang. I ignored it like I always do and next thing I know the damn car answered my phone!!!! Bluetooth radio and it was set to answer the phone. It was my daughter but I can tell you I was NOT comfortable talking on a phone even though I had no hands on anything. I just told her I would call her back. I just plain find it distracting to talk on the phone. I have since set the bluetooth not to answer the phone. Strange because we all carry on conversations with passengers with no problems. Some even have conversations with themselves. ;D ;D

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« Reply #63 on: July 31, 2016, 09:37:52 PM »
What's your point? That's the only way I can get the answer I want. ;D
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 ;D ;D ;D ;D It is also the only way I win arguments. ::) ::) Actually I even lose some of them. ??? ???

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« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2016, 06:45:13 PM »
Rudeness...I actually fired myself for insubordination from the jobsite one day because no one is allowed to talk to me the way that I had talked to myself.
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;D ;D ;D ;D It is also the only way I win arguments. ::) ::) Actually I even lose some of them. ??? ???

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« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2016, 10:14:56 AM »
Back to the OP...

Isn't intentionally listening to other people's conversations and watching what the next table is doing the epitome of rudeness?

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« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2016, 02:07:05 PM »
Back to the OP...

Isn't intentionally listening to other people's conversations and watching what the next table is doing the epitome of rudeness?

Dave,   

You would of course be correct, if that had been the intent.  The intent had been to have a quiet dinner, it was the actions and sounds of the other parties that drew the attention.  When events are so bold and loud that it negates the intent of "QUIET" from that point you are drug along by circumstances whether you want to be or not.  You can hardly "unhear" or "ignore" others rude actions, unless you wish to compound the situation by becoming personally involved. 

The real solution should have been to leave or worsen the situation by demanding that the offenders be asked to desist by the owners of the restaurant.

Since this post has brought out a lot of discussion regarding the "POINT" of the post, the use of electronic devices and "OUR" collective acceptance that because a person has one it automatically gives that person the "RIGHT" to use it any old time or place they choose regardless of anyone else's "RIGHTS".

My feelings are that Device Owners DO NOT have the "RIGHT" to inflict their ownership of the device on others. 

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« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2016, 02:16:50 PM »
Dave,   

You would of course be correct, if that had been the intent.  The intent had been to have a quiet dinner, it was the actions and sounds of the other parties that drew the attention.  When events are so bold and loud that it negates the intent of "QUIET" from that point you are drug along by circumstances whether you want to be or not.  You can hardly "unhear" or "ignore" others rude actions, unless you wish to compound the situation by becoming personally involved. 

The real solution should have been to leave or worsen the situation by demanding that the offenders be asked to desist by the owners of the restaurant.

Since this post has brought out a lot of discussion regarding the "POINT" of the post, the use of electronic devices and "OUR" collective acceptance that because a person has one it automatically gives that person the "RIGHT" to use it any old time or place they choose regardless of anyone else's "RIGHTS".

My feelings are that Device Owners DO NOT have the "RIGHT" to inflict their ownership of the device on others. 

Where are good manners today?  Do they even exist any more?

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« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2016, 02:30:52 PM »
Rudeness?  An article appeared today regarding baseball umpire Bob Davidson who "ejected" a fan from the stadium.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/umpire-bob-davidson-ejects-phillies-fan-heckling-mlb-giants

The article, and much commentary, referred to the offender as "heckling", repeatedly telling the ump, "you suck." Of course many fans and commentators were outraged, and that the umpire was out of line and should get a thicker skin.
What was not mentioned in many news reports, was that the guy didn't stop at "you suck", but also indicated just what he should suck, along with other profanities. One announcer actually disagreed with the action since the "heckler" paid for a ticket to see a game.
What about the children, families, and other decent people nearby this guy that also paid for a ticket to see the game?
The short sighted stupidity of these fans and announcers just makes me wanna scream sometimes....
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« Reply #72 on: August 03, 2016, 02:46:31 PM »
Some folks get so old that they can't remember their youth; others just like to complain about anything and everything.

When I was a kid virtually every restaurant had a jukebox. Play one 45 for a dime or three songs for a quarter. You listened to whatever music the person with the dime played.

In addition to the jukebox, some had a pinball machine or two and you listened to that too.

Next, these restaurants put individual jukeboxes on EACH table and booth. Now you listened to the combined music all of the individual jukeboxes and the pinball machine.

My parents owned such a restaurant. If you had told my mother to shut off any of these devices she would have told you the A & W drive-in could use your business. My father would have just told you to go to hell and wouldn't have served you a second cup of coffee.

Perhaps I have inherited my rudeness from my family... or simply refined it over my own life experiences. Quite possibly, though, I simply remember how people used to enjoy life back in my youth.

And today we complain because someone is texting at the next table.
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« Reply #73 on: August 03, 2016, 03:06:07 PM »
In other words, because you were raised in that environment, which I rarely went into (we weren't all in that environment back then), it's OK for people who weren't to be hassled with garbage that doesn't belong. Odd logic. Hmmm...
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« Reply #74 on: August 03, 2016, 03:06:22 PM »
Larry,  In the instances you cite, the customer has the right to vote with their feet and patronize the restaurant with the Juke boxes or not, in my instance, that was NOT the issue, it was the customers choosing how to inflict their use of their device on others without their permission and it is not restricted to just restaurants (as shown by the many posts added to this thread) it is everywhere and it is rude of the device owners to do so.

My question still stands "Where are good manners now?  They seem to be woefully lacking most everywhere...

My guess by your signature would suggest you are most likely a gun owner or at least support the right of a person to own a gun.  Does the mere "owning" of a gun bestow on the gun owner the "RIGHT" to inflict its use on others or does courtesy and good manners preclude that from happening? 

The electronic device and the gun are both tools.  They both demand the same manners and courtesy be accorded their use regarding other persons would you not agree?
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Re: Rudeness...
« Reply #75 on: August 03, 2016, 03:11:51 PM »
Sorry folks, there's just one way this discussion can go from here, so I'm shutting it down.
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