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SeilerBird

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Really wacky problem
« on: September 08, 2016, 02:28:41 PM »
I have an awesome audio/video system in my RV. 40 inch 4k TV and a 7.1 surround system. It works just fine except for one idiotic problem. I sit in a chair about five feet from the TV and about half the time when I get up out of my chair the sound on the TV goes silent for a second and then returns. Nothing else changes. No, I am not sitting on the remote. It is about two feet away from me. There is no logic to this stupid problem but it has been going on for a year at least.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2016, 02:44:25 PM »
Here's the obvious solution Tom..... ;D ;D
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2016, 02:47:38 PM »
I think the blood is rushing to your head blocking the sound waves through your ears.   :o ::) :-\ :'( ;D ;)
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2016, 02:49:01 PM »
I have an awesome audio/video system in my RV. 40 inch 4k TV and a 7.1 surround system. It works just fine except for one idiotic problem. I sit in a chair about five feet from the TV and about half the time when I get up out of my chair the sound on the TV goes silent for a second and then returns. Nothing else changes. No, I am not sitting on the remote. It is about two feet away from me. There is no logic to this stupid problem but it has been going on for a year at least.
My first questions would be;
  • Does it happen when someone else sits in that chair and then rises?
  • Has anyone else witnessed this sound interruption while you go through these motions?
  • Do you have wireless speakers?  (could your movements be interfering with them?)
My next question (and I'm serious here, because of your past history with a reported health concern);  Are you sure it's not just in your head?  Sometimes blood pressure and blood circulation can do a lot of strange things.
Hoping for the best and simplest answer.
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SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2016, 03:02:17 PM »
My first questions would be;
  • Does it happen when someone else sits in that chair and then rises?
I don't get a lot of visitors and when people do come over they never sit in my chair with the stereo going.

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  • Has anyone else witnessed this sound interruption while you go through these motions?
No, I don't play my system when I have visitors because I am usually busy talking to them.
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  • Do you have wireless speakers?  (could your movements be interfering with them?)
Nope no wireless speakers.
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[/list]My next question (and I'm serious here, because of your past history with a reported health concern);  Are you sure it's not just in your head?  Sometimes blood pressure and blood circulation can do a lot of strange things.
Hoping for the best and simplest answer.
Nope it is not in my head. This has been going on too long. I am not doing any drugs so it not some drug illusion either. My blood pressure is just fine. It was 120 over 77 two days ago.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2016, 03:50:18 PM »
Move one of the speakers.  A foot is all that may be needed.  Or tilt or rotate one of the speakers a few inches.

Rare phenomema, at the exact place in the room where the sound disappears the two speakers cancel each other out.



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SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2016, 04:38:38 PM »
Move one of the speakers.  A foot is all that may be needed.  Or tilt or rotate one of the speakers a few inches.

Rare phenomena, at the exact place in the room where the sound disappears the two speakers cancel each other out.
I am not having a standing wave problem. I have been an audiophile for over 50 years and I would recognise it in a heartbeat. Moving a speaker is not possible. They are all bolted to the RV solidly. And besides that I have a 7.1 system so I have 8 speakers.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2016, 04:46:04 PM »
I think you need to remove that system and send it to me for testing. ;D
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2016, 05:20:08 PM »
does the system have a microphone that automatically adjusts the surrond sound?  some do, disconnect it.

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2016, 05:32:39 PM »
the sound of your butt popping off that chair might be the cause. lol

SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2016, 05:40:08 PM »
I think you need to remove that system and send it to me for testing. ;D
It would be very difficult to remove it. I installed it so that it would not move when I drove down the road.
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SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2016, 05:42:42 PM »
does the system have a microphone that automatically adjusts the surround sound?  some do, disconnect it.
No, it doesn't. It comes with a microphone that can be used for balancing the speakers, but it is not plugged in. I adjust the surround speakers with a sound pressure meter app for my smart phone.

I just noticed today that it doesn't appear to have this problem when I am listening to a CD, only when I am watching TV.
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SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2016, 05:43:19 PM »
the sound of your butt popping off that chair might be the cause. lol
The chair is very quiet and my butt isn't that big. ;)
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2016, 06:54:35 PM »
Maybe a bad audio cable from the tv? Does it cut when moving around your coach?
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SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2016, 06:59:05 PM »
Maybe a bad audio cable from the tv? Does it cut when moving around your coach?
No it doesn't cut out at any other time and I recently replaced the HDMI cable with a very good one and it did not change the problem.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2016, 08:53:54 PM »
Do you have any fluorescent lights on?  Sometimes their ballast frequency is similar to the remote control code pulses, maybe when you get up you're reflecting some light into the TV's remote control sensor?

Is this over the air broadcast TV?  If so, when you stand up you may be rocking the motorhome just enough to move the antenna into a dead spot for a moment or two, killing the signal until it can re-lock.

Just a couple of shots in the dark.

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2016, 09:04:13 PM »
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when you stand up you may be rocking the motorhome just enough to move the antenna into a dead spot for a moment or two, killing the signal until it can re-lock.

Reminds me of when a couple of forum staffers joined me in our coach at a rally; When we all sat on the same side of the coach, I lost sat internet signal. We all moved to the other side of the coach, and signal was restored  ;D
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SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2016, 09:08:39 PM »
Do you have any fluorescent lights on?  Sometimes their ballast frequency is similar to the remote control code pulses, maybe when you get up you're reflecting some light into the TV's remote control sensor?

Is this over the air broadcast TV?  If so, when you stand up you may be rocking the motorhome just enough to move the antenna into a dead spot for a moment or two, killing the signal until it can re-lock.

Just a couple of shots in the dark.
Nope no fluorescents lights at all. No LEDs either. I am having problems with my antenna lately, the wind blew it down and I moved it back inside the RV. Tomorrow I must reinstall it on the mast so I can get channel two. So the antenna has been in several different locations lately and the problem still exists in any antenna position. It is definitely going to be a shot in the dark that solves the problem.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2016, 10:18:19 PM »
Tom,
This sounds as perplexing as the 10 month long saga with my generator issue.
Best of luck.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2016, 10:29:16 PM »
I have an awesome audio/video system in my RV. 40 inch 4k TV and a 7.1 surround system. It works just fine except for one idiotic problem. I sit in a chair about five feet from the TV and about half the time when I get up out of my chair the sound on the TV goes silent for a second and then returns. Nothing else changes. No, I am not sitting on the remote. It is about two feet away from me. There is no logic to this stupid problem but it has been going on for a year at least.
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Just get up those times it doesn't effect the tv.  ;D ::)
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2016, 09:59:08 AM »
I installed a cheap vizio soundbar in mine.  It has some auto adjusting volume function that puts out some screwy results. 
Sometimes when in "normal" mode the max volume level is too low.... but when we try the "auto" mode it gets screwy..... like the volume goes way down in quiet parts of a movie.... too soft to hear.... but then when louder parts of the soundtrack hit it blasts you out of the place.
I haven't completely wrapped my head around it yet....

Maybe your fancy set-up has something similar
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SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2016, 10:25:21 AM »
I installed a cheap vizio soundbar in mine.  It has some auto adjusting volume function that puts out some screwy results. 
Sometimes when in "normal" mode the max volume level is too low.... but when we try the "auto" mode it gets screwy..... like the volume goes way down in quiet parts of a movie.... too soft to hear.... but then when louder parts of the soundtrack hit it blasts you out of the place.
I haven't completely wrapped my head around it yet....

Maybe your fancy set-up has something similar
I have been through the settings several times looking for just such a thing but I never found one.
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SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2016, 10:26:15 AM »
Here is a video of the problem. The volume cuts out three times in a row and this is not network TV, it is Hulu.

https://youtu.be/b1teAu6RVCw
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2016, 10:59:28 AM »
I've gotta admit I don't really hear it for sure in that video.  I hear a bit of a pause maybe, but if it is there it's quick.....  Am I hearing the right thing?

Anyway, my money is on some sort of adaptive audio "feature" conflict.... similar to what i'm getting with my set-up

what brand model of tv is it?
you mentioned hulu.....connecting through any sort of cable or sat box, or a roku/appleTV type box?
are the speakers direct connect, or through a surround amp?

I looked up my issue as a point of reference.  Vizio is calling it TruVolume.
Here's a troubleshooting page....maybe food for thought...
https://support.vizio.com/s/article/Volume-Problems-Fluctuations
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SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2016, 12:43:09 PM »
Yes you are hearing the right thing. It is an annoying pause of just a second. The TV is a Vizio 4k. It is hooked up directly to the Internet through my Wifi network. The speakers are connected directly to the receiver.

I went to the link and it tells me to go to Audio then Advanced Audio and there is no Advanced Audio on my menu. It tells me to look for SRS TruVolume and there is no SRS TruVolume and turn it off. There is a DTS TruVolume and it is already set to off.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2016, 12:57:48 PM »
hmmm... a real head scratcher then.
Very interesting that it's a Vizio.  They seem to have some issue's with their feature filled audio controllers......  features I wish I did not have.  Bet you feel the same!
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SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2016, 01:07:10 PM »
hmmm... a real head scratcher then.
Very interesting that it's a Vizio.  They seem to have some issue's with their feature filled audio controllers......  features I wish I did not have.  Bet you feel the same!
Not really. Audio and video equipment has gotten extremely complicated lately. I am an early adapter and we always have to sort out the bugs with the first releases of anything. So I am used to it. The only reason I am interested is because it is such a bizarre problem. I stand up and the volume drops out. There is no connection between the chair and the Tv or the surround system. Nothing else happens, no lights go off and the picture doesn't change. It is just driving me nuts that I can't figure it out. There has to be a logical explanation is why I posted it here. Where is Ned when you need him? I am surprised Gary doesn't have an answer, I thought he knew everything. :)
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2016, 05:23:46 PM »
Well, a wild thought, Tom -- does it matter how fast you stand up? Try it in slow motion, for example. Or get part way up and stop. See if it still does it that way. I'm still partial to the standing wave idea. Or maybe you could temporarily place something in front of one or more speakers to divert/partially block the sound, or (if your eqpt allows) adjust the audio balance (L/R F/B bass/mid/treble). Also, to expand on Lou's idea, is there something that may reflect IR off of you to something on your amp? Does the overall volume level have an effect on the results?

I know I'm reaching, but...
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SeilerBird

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2016, 05:43:53 AM »
Well, a wild thought, Tom -- does it matter how fast you stand up? Try it in slow motion, for example. Or get part way up and stop. See if it still does it that way. I'm still partial to the standing wave idea. Or maybe you could temporarily place something in front of one or more speakers to divert/partially block the sound, or (if your eqpt allows) adjust the audio balance (L/R F/B bass/mid/treble). Also, to expand on Lou's idea, is there something that may reflect IR off of you to something on your amp? Does the overall volume level have an effect on the results?

I know I'm reaching, but...
Thank you for reaching Larry. It is going to take thinking outside the box because normal thoughts do not solve the problem. I tried standing up at different speeds and it didn't change things, in slow motion it didn't really change much. I got up part way and stopped and it still cut out. I am positive it is not a standing wave. Standing waves generally only affect bass frequencies.  I can't block my speakers since they are mounted on the ceiling. I can't see what could be reflecting the IR and the overall volume doesn't seem to have any effect.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2016, 06:44:29 AM »
Regarding Blood pressure. There is something called Posturial Hypotension.. I've got a mild version, I've seen far more serious versions. (Short story follows) and with this you can test normal at the doctor's or most any other time UNLESS they test you just after you go from like lying down (or sitting) to standing.. Then you will test low (Hypo means low).

The story
Standing holding hands during one prayer in church, suddenly the Alto to my left changed her grip on my hand.. I dropped my wife's hand and turned just in time to catch her as she fell.   Helped her back to her seat, confirmed the problem and she was OK. but her poor brand new husband was a mess.   Thankfully I'd been trained to play catch in that manner... Quite by design (Job related training).

But it is a problem, this is why someone ask if it only happens if you stand suddenly.

Short of a loose connection in the sound system, which I doubt from the systems but can not rule out.. I have not other clue.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2016, 06:56:41 AM »
Have you tried doing a firmware update on the TV and surround receiver? I had audio problems with my Sony receiver and the firmware update corrected the issue and even added a few functions in the menu.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2016, 07:19:21 AM »
Have you tried doing a firmware update on the TV and surround receiver? I had audio problems with my Sony receiver and the firmware update corrected the issue and even added a few functions in the menu.
Both have automatic updates and have been updated recently.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2016, 03:10:29 PM »
Is your smartphone in your pocket when this happens? Thinking it could be like accidentally setting off the car alarm when you move the wrong way with your keys in your pocket.

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2016, 03:33:14 PM »
Is your smartphone in your pocket when this happens? Thinking it could be like accidentally setting off the car alarm when you move the wrong way with your keys in your pocket.
I have a cargo pants pocket that is dedicated to my smart phone and I never put anything in the pocket with it. Too much chance of getting the phone scratched. Anyway my phone is sitting in a Home and Office Organizer that I keep next to my chair. It has slots to keep my remote controls and my inhalers:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FGCHII8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Anyway there is no connection between the phone and the surround system. I have already thought about that since in the 60s we had one of the first remote controlled TVs on the market and it worked by ultrasonic frequencies and not IR. My dad could change the channels on the TV by rattling his keys. He delighted in walking into the room and rattling his keys and then walking out leaving us to scramble to get Tv back to what we were watching.
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2016, 11:46:13 AM »
Do you wear hearing aids? Had a discussion  just last night with some folks that were talking about the advancements in hearing aid technology, and some of the issues they've had.

Possibly the hearing aids malfunction and not the audio system?
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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2016, 12:47:36 PM »
I used to wear them but I no longer need them.
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Jeff in Ferndale Wa

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Re: Really wacky problem
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2016, 12:04:02 AM »
I used to wear them but I no longer need them.

Just another shot in the dark...
2007 Springdale 260
2008 Ford F250
2004 Honda Goldwing GL1800
Rampage Motorcycle Lift

Currently at work in King Cove, Alaska

 

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