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AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« on: September 27, 2016, 03:24:35 PM »
Saw this posted on another forum.  You may want to hold off upgrading to that new expensive satellite system...

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog/techflash/2016/09/report-at-t-has-set-a-timeline-to-phase-out.html
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2016, 03:49:15 PM »
I planned on getting another receiver for the trailer next year to use while doing the campground host thing. Guess I won’t now. I’ve never liked Directv in spite of signing up twice in the last 16 years. This reinforces my feelings.
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2016, 03:53:57 PM »
It seems to say they intend to make streaming the primary platform, but not necessarily eliminate satellite. Included in the story is this quote:

“There’s going to be segments of the population that are going to continue to use satellite for a period of time to come”

On the other hand, a substantial reduction in satellite subscribers can only lead to a reduced investment in that medium. Satellites are expensive to launch and maintain, and it doesn't bode well for pricing if the subscriber database is small.

AT&T is already known for focusing on densely populated markets and giving short shrift to geographically dispersed users. Streaming via wireless media makes sense in dense markets, but few carriers build the infrastructure to deliver it in rural areas. As RVers already know...
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2016, 03:55:21 PM »
A receiver isn't expensive, and you can lease it from DTV is you want. I just wouldn't spend a bunch of money on a fancy dome or automatic open-face dish.
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2016, 05:54:01 PM »
That's pretty crazy.  For many people that live in rural areas, DirecTV satellite is the way to go.  I am in a rural area, and even though new stuff is going up all around us, AT&T is very haphazard in how they provide service here.  Very helter skelter and those that do get any kind of AT&T service are about half and half on the reliability.  I sure would hate to lose it after being with them for over 10 years now.  Especially if they can't deliver anything better than what they have so far.  Which to my house has been nothing!
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 08:13:59 PM »
I think AT&T is playing the numbers game.  They would rather spend their efforts and dollars on highly packed urban areas that have lots of subscribers, instead of rural areas that have few paying customers.  It will be interesting how this shakes out.
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2016, 08:43:18 PM »
This may turn into another fine example of where the guv'ment (SEC) didn't do their job when they let AT&T buy DirecTV. >:(
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2016, 09:04:22 PM »
It'll be interesting to see what Dish does with this announcement. It might be a good marketing opportunity to boost satellite subscriptions in the near term, while waiting for wireless technology to catch up with the needs of widespread streaming. Combined with Sling, they can grab the best of both worlds in the interim. There will be plenty of disenfranchised DTV subscribers that don't have high speed broadband available that will be looking for a new TV programming "home".
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2016, 10:01:22 PM »
I think this is a very astute move on their part.  If you haven't heard the term 'cord cutters' you've been living under a rock.  Cord cutting has cut into their subscription base in a huge way already.  And the trend is accelerating.  HBO offers their programming via HBO Now, a streaming service.  Other premium channels will follow suit soon if they haven't already.  There are dozens of streaming boxes on the market, Roku, and Apple TV come to mind but there are dozens of others.  I have four different Homebrew streaming boxes, one of which is based upon a $35 Raspberry Pi computer.  The software is free.

Streaming is going to be the primary method of content delivery long before 2020.  In my house it's already more than 50% of what we watch.  And when we're on the road it's more like 80% because I download full seasons of programs to take with us on $39 hard drives.

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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2016, 10:10:15 PM »
I quit Direct TV then Time Warner a few years ago...Dish is the current company to handle our TV needs..and with the 2K automatic sat dish on our rig I hope they are here for awhile.......
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2016, 10:34:47 PM »
When 5G wireless rolls out then need for satellite connection diminishes, if they really don't count Directv streaming against the data limit.

I just hope I don't have to replace the Travelr dish in the next few years. Still this won't be great for RVers because there area lot of places today that don't have good 4g connections and therefore probably won't have good 5g. The good side is you won't have to fight the trees for satellite view.
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2016, 06:32:17 AM »
Well.. I'm not all that upset over the loss of DirecTV.. In days of old DISH offered DNS, 5 different cities you could choose from, But it turns out they were a bit free with the DNS accounts (Distant Network Service), I might add DirecTV is no less free and easy with the accounts.. But let me continue

Dish got sued, Settled with ABC, CBS and so on all but FOX, FOX refused to settle.  Turns out one of the major owners of FOX also held major interest in DirecTV so he was feathering his own nest.. now AT&T owns Direct (So my complaint against them is hitory) but Fox is still un-American. (Primary stock holders are foreign interests)

I suspect Dish network will continue for many years if AT&T pulls the plug on DirecTV and converts it to a internet network.

This will make life somewhat easier for us here in the forum because now when people have issues with their Sat TV we have to ask Dish or Direct. and when AT&T pulls the Direct pulg.. We won't have that question any more.
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2016, 07:19:19 AM »
"Cord Cutting" is another urban thing, though. Rural residents in the US have poor internet access as well as poor tv, so they typically don't have a streaming option. 
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2016, 07:44:02 AM »
The Dish DNS issue was settled long ago and Dish or a contractor has offered it since then, although it's now a dead issue. Changing service addresses with Dish to get the area locals is such a simple process that there's likely not enough demand to cost justify maintaining a DNS offering. It's even possible to get a sort of pseudo-DNS by using a service address in a TV market area that has non-spot beamed locals. There are over a dozen to choose from, although the NYC market is the only one I know of on the western arc sats. The rest are all on the eastern arc, ruling out reception with automatic domes like the Tailgater.
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2016, 04:27:49 PM »
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Changing service addresses with Dish to get the area locals is such a simple process that there's likely not enough demand to cost justify maintaining a DNS offering.
That's fine if the RV is the only place you're caring about. But I take one receiver from home, and I expect to have my home setup continue to record programs, using the RV unit in a more limited fashion. So changing the service address isn't good for me. Still, I don't have the DNS, either, so I currently miss the local channels other than over the air.

It's not a big deal for me, but it might be for some.
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2016, 08:08:25 PM »
That's fine if the RV is the only place you're caring about. But I take one receiver from home, and I expect to have my home setup continue to record programs, using the RV unit in a more limited fashion. So changing the service address isn't good for me. Still, I don't have the DNS, either, so I currently miss the local channels other than over the air.

It's not a big deal for me, but it might be for some.

If you use the "pseudo-DNS" method I described in my post, both your RV and home units would get the same major networks, assuming they're both using the same Dish satellite arc set. Other than that, we frequently record network programs on the Hopper at our upstate NY cottage while traveling though. We just record them from the OTA stations instead of the non-working sat feeds. On the road, we use the Hopper's "Search and Find" feature to set up our recurring network recordings so they're not channel dependent.
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2016, 10:51:43 AM »
As was already mentioned. DirecTV DID NOT say they are discontinuing satellite TV. They did say that their primary focus would be streaming IF the technology is in place to make this viable for them. There is no need for anyone to change service or delay purchasing a satellite system. Chuck
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2016, 04:16:24 PM »
Chuck is correct. I won't panic yet.
Maybe they will spin off the satellite systems to someone who wants the customers.
If i remember correctly they lease the satellite space while dish owns theirs.
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2016, 06:32:59 PM »
As was already mentioned. DirecTV DID NOT say they are discontinuing satellite TV. They did say that their primary focus would be streaming IF the technology is in place to make this viable for them. There is no need for anyone to change service or delay purchasing a satellite system. Chuck

Well, I must have missed that.  I suppose a "Whew" is in order.  Or something like that.  Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2016, 03:55:31 PM »
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Streaming is going to be the primary method of content delivery long before 2020.  In my house it's already more than 50% of what we watch.  And when we're on the road it's more like 80% because I download full seasons of programs to take with us on $39 hard drives

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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2016, 04:06:20 PM »
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Streaming is going to be the primary method of content delivery long before 2020.  In my house it's already more than 50% of what we watch.  And when we're on the road it's more like 80% because I download full seasons of programs to take with us on $39 hard drives

Not sure how downloading and watching what you download equates to streaming. Chuck
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2016, 05:28:31 PM »
I know one thing, every time I go into our local Sam's club store, I have trouble getting past the young folks who are hawking Direct TV.  Also, I get an offer in the mail at least every week!!!  They're still pushing for subscribers pretty darned hard!
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2016, 05:43:15 PM »
Sure, might as well make every buck possible.......
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2016, 07:56:10 AM »
Just another reason I am so happy I went with Dish Network, rather than Direct TV!

Also with Dish I am able to change my local channels with a simple chat session with Dish.  Years ago we use DNS (Distant Network Service) where we only got NYC or LA.  I much prefer getting the local channels.  A lot of the time there are 1/2 hour segments about very interesting things in the local areas.  While I don't care much about the news of local car crashes, traffic reports, or who shot whom, I do like seeing easy to watch video of local activities.

Additionally we spend a lot of time out in the boonies, where the cell phone signal is weak or non existent, so getting streaming TV over the cell network, won't work.
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2016, 08:48:08 AM »
I think there is a misconception here. AT&T is not trying to eliminate Direct TV service at all. What they expect is that in the future they will deliver more canned video rather than broadcast tv, including shows of their own that are available only from AT&T-owned distribution channels.

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Not sure how downloading and watching what you download equates to streaming.

You might think of it as "delayed streaming" rather than realtime.  Digital streaming from a storage device on your computer rather than from storage somewhere in "the cloud" using the internet. 
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2016, 06:38:39 PM »
The other misconception is that it's AT&T/DIRECTV doing this to us.  In fact it's just the opposite.  Netflix, Hulu, Amazon have all cut deeply into 'the market'.  And those are just the big three!  There a dozens of others.  I, and millions like me, get most of my entertainment through streaming, and downloading.  The ONLY reason I still have DTV is because of the RV.

With Netflix setting up to stream live TV any day now the writing is on the wall.  If AT&T/DIRECTV doesn't become a leader in streaming soon they will go the way of Blockbuster. 
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2016, 06:57:49 PM »
The other misconception is that it's AT&T/DIRECTV doing this to us.  In fact it's just the opposite.  Netflix, Hulu, Amazon have all cut deeply into 'the market'.  And those are just the big three!  There a dozens of others.  I, and millions like me, get most of my entertainment through streaming, and downloading.  The ONLY reason I still have DTV is because of the RV.

With Netflix setting up to stream live TV any day now the writing is on the wall.  If AT&T/DIRECTV doesn't become a leader in streaming soon they will go the way of Blockbuster.

If it were just that simple. But until the wireless carriers decide to offer true unlimited service, this isn't going to happen for a very long time. Those with high caps or unlimited service through their home DSL or whatever wired modem is provided can take advantage of Netflix, etc.  But a very large segment of the populations has data limits that make this less than practical for other than occasional viewing. Even DirecTV's offer for slimmed down streaming packages that will be offered this month, DirecTV Now, is only going to be good for portable devices like your cell phone or tablet. Any attempts to use it tethered to these devices for streaming will cost big time. So all this is NOT ready for prime time yet. And in the mean time, we will continue to use our satellite systems, over the air antennas and cable connections to get our programming. Yes you can push the mobile device to your TV, but how many will really want to go through the trouble and what happens when you're in an area where the signal is not strong enough or non-existent? My satellite system works everywhere. Certain technologies will take time despite what those that will try and sell us the latest and greatest want us to believe. Chuck
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2016, 07:00:07 PM »
We have direct TV at home and take old huge sat. With us n our extra receiver to get tv in the rv. We have slow Internet at home as we live in the country. To stream anything would be a push... but how can I stream at kids house and store on what to take in rv? Have laptop, what else do I need. A newbie at this...
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2016, 07:16:48 PM »
Millions of people already have such high caps that it is virtually unlimited.  Heard the term 'Cord cutters'?  That's what it's about.  In my highest usage months I have barely made a dent in my cap.  And I download several TV programs at a time and save them for later.  Later being when we're in the RV.

Streaming is a bad choice for mobile living.  That's going to be true for several more years.   But for now capturing the stream and saving it for later works for me.  It just takes a little geeky wizardry and time.  Mostly time.   ;)
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Re: AT&T looking toward eliminating Direct satellite TV by 2020
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2016, 10:16:48 AM »
Millions of people already have such high caps that it is virtually unlimited.  Heard the term 'Cord cutters'?  That's what it's about.  In my highest usage months I have barely made a dent in my cap.  And I download several TV programs at a time and save them for later.  Later being when we're in the RV.

Streaming is a bad choice for mobile living.  That's going to be true for several more years.   But for now capturing the stream and saving it for later works for me.  It just takes a little geeky wizardry and time.  Mostly time.   ;)

But not with a mobile device, which most of us use in our RV's, unless we pay more than the satellite service. That's the point. Millions of people using their mobile devices for internet AND streaming do not have virtually unlimited caps. Unless most of us are missing something. Chuck
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