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Struggling with guitar
« on: October 08, 2016, 08:03:31 PM »
I've recently returned to (trying to) play guitar, but I must admit to having to start from scratch; I've returned to watching basic guitar videos (I have a complete course on CD). Simple chord progressions are not so simple.

Meanwhile, I continue to practice for our Oct 21 uke concert, which has to take priority at this time
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Re: Struggling with guitar
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2016, 08:12:55 PM »
I am also trying to learn to play a lap steel guitar, as you say " not so easy " Have  a cd program which is good but my fingers are not so good  :=)
 Keep up the effort and I will too.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2016, 08:22:03 PM »
Don't feel bad Tom, the guitar is a difficult instrument to learn.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2016, 09:48:04 PM »
Don't feel bad Tom, the guitar is a difficult instrument to learn.

I have, for many many years, considered trying to learn. Always thought it would be fun to play. What kind/size guitar should I consider? Best way to start? Lessons? CD? Internet?
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2016, 10:46:30 PM »
you got to keep at it.  Don't let the muscle memory lapse.

A month or so back I was testing strings for Gore, Inc.  They suggested that playing an hour a day was just adequate.  So I did at least that and sometimes much more.  I noticed that my overall playing and 'fluidity' improved a bunch.

And now, because we're dealing with a new puppy I'm not able to play much at all.  I've reverted to sounding like crap.

So, play some every day.  Nothing builds muscle memory like daily repetition.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2016, 10:58:43 PM »
Thanks Russ. I play guitar a little every day, but muscle memory is taking a long time to kick in again.
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2016, 09:19:21 AM »
I am having a problem learning the uke because of my muscle memory. I learned how to play Stairway to Heaven on a guitar in 1972 and since then I have played it hundreds of times. It is simple to play and I could play it in my sleep. I decided to learn it on the uke and my muscle memory is messing me up. The first three bars are virtually identical since on the guitar it is played by barring at the fifth fret. On a uke that means playing it in the first position without the barre. Simple. But then it goes to a D chord and I automatically play a D chord which is really a G chord on the uke. It is going to take some time to rewire my brain.
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2016, 09:50:07 AM »
Strange, but I have less trouble switching to my baritone uke, which is tuned like the 4 (musically) highest strings on a guitar. I can switch between the baritone and any of my other ukes (re-entrant tuning) and vice versa with little difficulty. But switching to the guitar is a lot tougher (for me).

It's going to be interesting when, after our upcoming uke concert, I pick up my plectrum banjo and try to play  ???
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2016, 09:57:52 AM »
I have 50 years of guitar playing and two weeks of uke playing which makes it more difficult for me to switch.
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2016, 10:18:00 AM »
Aye, 50 years of muscle memory must be tough to change. I just have 50 years of playing nothing to change  ;D
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2016, 11:23:03 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2016, 12:12:52 PM »
Now throw in a few alternate tunings on the guitar and really get ruined.   ;)
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2016, 12:44:22 PM »
Now throw in a few alternate tunings on the guitar and really get ruined.   ;)
I have never had the nerve to try alternate tunings. Even playing slide I leave it tuned normally. But then again my electrics always have a Floyd Rose bridge and retuning is a bitch.
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2016, 04:25:29 PM »
Thats an indication that you need more guitars.  Or a guitar synth. ;)
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2016, 04:57:46 PM »
Thats an indication that you need more guitars.  Or a guitar synth. ;)
I have too many instruments around the house. Of course I would love to have more but I don't have the room since I live in a 32 foot class A. Three ukes, three guitars, one set of drums and one keyboard. It is dangerous for me to enter into Guitar World. :o
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2016, 04:21:03 PM »
I have been watching the baseball playoffs and practicing the uke at the same time all week long. I have finally got to the point where I can play the opening bars without getting messed up. Now all I have to do is learn the other seven minutes. :-\
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2016, 05:01:06 PM »
I have discovered what is without a doubt the strangest duet in the history of duets. Warren Buffet (not Jimmy) on a Kala doing the Glory of Love with Jon Bon Jovi.

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2016, 06:28:19 PM »
I have several conservatory degrees and play music professionally (see user name), and after a brief attempt at guitar, I have decided that 6 strings is too many strings. Kudos to all you guitar players out there. I recently got a new job that includes teaching ukulele to middle school kids. I picked up a tenor and I'm hooked. It will most definitely come with me if we ever get ourselves out and camping.

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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2016, 06:43:48 PM »
Hopefully, Warren Buffet can/will afford to hire a uke and singing tutor.
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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2016, 06:44:57 PM »
violajack, where are you located?
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2016, 06:48:29 PM »
Hopefully, Warren Buffet can/will afford to hire a uke and singing tutor.
I noticed the audience applauded wildly. What a bunch of butt kissers.
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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2016, 08:59:11 PM »
I think I've seen weirder.  Waylon Jennings and Big Bird singing 'Wrong'.  A song written by my friend Steve.

I've heard plenty of worse singers than Warren too.
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2016, 09:08:57 PM »
I think I've seen weirder.  Waylon Jennings and Big Bird singing 'Wrong'.  A song written by my friend Steve.
They should have sang 'And Your Bird Can Sing'. ;D
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2016, 08:02:46 PM »
violajack, where are you located?

SF Bay Area.

I have been bit hard by the Ukulele bug though. I just got my second tenor from Amazon today.

On the camping front, I was hoping to set up my new (to us) Volvo XC90 with a hitch and get us out in a little pop-up or hybrid, but some unexpected extra repairs to the Volvo and some home repairs crept up and ate up that budget for now. I'm looking at tents and local campgrounds, and we're considering a small bike trailer for DH's motorcycle, but we're in the rainy season now, so I've been looking at cabins too. ;)

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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2016, 10:14:58 AM »
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SF Bay Area.

I have been bit hard by the Ukulele bug though.

The reason I ask is that there are a number of ukulele clubs in the greater Bay area. We (the Delta Strummers) are based in Brentwood.
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2016, 11:13:11 AM »
Tons of great instructional vids on youtube also.  Good luck. 
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2016, 07:46:23 PM »
Violajack,

Where in the Bay Area?  A friend of mine teach Uke in Pleasanton, there's another class in Los Gatos.  I'm sure there are ones all over.
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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2016, 09:17:17 PM »
The reason I ask is that there are a number of ukulele clubs in the greater Bay area. We (the Delta Strummers) are based in Brentwood.

*clicks link* Well, I'll just be over here reading ALL THE THINGS.

The school is Hilldale in Daly City. I'd love to have a group come and play for the kids some time, or find a way for us to participate, or just be more involved in the larger community. I'm working my way through Ukuguides.com and combing through ukutabs to find stuff for the kids to play. I have a college who is a few years into doing ukulele with his middle school choirs who has shared some resources with me and I have the Ukulele in the Classroom book 1 (both teacher and student edition). Right now, we're just working on the change from C to F, but the kids are really enjoying getting to play and sing. They can sing Frere Jaques in rounds while strumming C already. Ukulele is just so darn approachable and even at only three classes in, I love it as a classroom instrument.

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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2016, 09:33:30 PM »
*clicks link* Well, I'll just be over here reading ALL THE THINGS.

The school is Hilldale in Daly City. I'd love to have a group come and play for the kids some time, or find a way for us to participate, or just be more involved in the larger community. I'm working my way through Ukuguides.com and combing through ukutabs to find stuff for the kids to play. I have a college who is a few years into doing ukulele with his middle school choirs who has shared some resources with me and I have the Ukulele in the Classroom book 1 (both teacher and student edition). Right now, we're just working on the change from C to F, but the kids are really enjoying getting to play and sing. They can sing Frere Jaques in rounds while strumming C already. Ukulele is just so darn approachable and even at only three classes in, I love it as a classroom instrument.
I just finished reading a book that would be a perfect textbook for grade school kids learning the uke. It starts slow and progresses at a very slow speed. A beginner would not be able to miss with this book:

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« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2016, 02:22:46 AM »
Here are several trailers to The mighty Uke, a DVD/movie that would encourage/inspire any ukulele teacher.
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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2016, 01:49:33 PM »
Thanks! You guys are awesome. Sadly, I only get the kids for music once a week, 45 minutes. We've got 7 more classes before we have to pull off the winter program, so right now, we'll have to just go with whatever we can play on two, maybe three chords. I was hoping to have the ukes accompany the recorder groups, but I either have to teach F natural to the 3rd grade recorder group (nope) or teach the D chord to the middle school uke group (also nope), so I'll probably have them provide accompaniment for the younger grade songs instead. I really want to get the various classes playing together.

I then have a whopping 18 classes for the second half of the year. I'm not sure how much we'll be able to do in those 18 lessons as I'm also responsible for theory and history lessons as well as the practical playing of the ukulele. I want to do some scales and melody line playing in the second half of the year too, in addition to building their repertoire of chords and understanding of chord progressions.

There really is a lifetime of musical growth and enjoyment to be had. I hope I can set a good foundation for them.

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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2016, 02:20:42 PM »
What's the issue with teaching the D chord? In its simplest form:

http://www.ukulele-chords.com/D

I use 2 fingers for the 3 adjacent strings. Smaller fingers might use 3.

Meanwhile, I'm sure you're aware of the multitude of 2- and 3-chord songs. Google will show long lists of them with lyrics and chords.
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I just finished reading a book ...

I'm not a lover of learning from books, prefering hands-on and relying on my ears. But I ordered the book based on the positive reviews; Thanks for the link.
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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2016, 06:55:38 PM »
I don't do well learning from books but this one is exceptional. Even though I knew most of the material I still completely enjoyed reading it. He really does have a great method for learning the uke. He starts with songs with only one chord and then progresses to songs with two chords. Then three chords. And he explains everything very clearly.

BTW I play a D chord several different ways depending on the context. My favorite way is to use my index finger as a bar and just not playing the A string or putting my pinkie on the fifth fret of the A string.
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2016, 07:10:50 PM »
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BTW I play a D chord several different ways depending on the context. My favorite way is to use my index finger as a bar and just not playing the A string or putting my pinkie on the fifth fret of the A string.

Yes, but many of us can't do that (i.e. we/I have a weak barre).
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I ordered the book based on the positive reviews;

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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2016, 06:13:46 PM »
I've been puttering with the guitar for the last couple of years, and have gotten fairly comfortable with the simplest chords.  Just when I was getting cocky I tried to learn how to play an F chord.....are you kidding?  My fingers don't bend that way!!
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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2016, 06:19:08 PM »
LOL on a ukulele that's a Bb chord. It's a real challenge for some of us. On the uke I play a cheater chord, but haven't tried it on guitar.
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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2016, 06:30:42 PM »
I've been puttering with the guitar for the last couple of years, and have gotten fairly comfortable with the simplest chords.  Just when I was getting cocky I tried to learn how to play an F chord.....are you kidding?  My fingers don't bend that way!!
Actually it might be your left arm that doesn't bend that way. Most beginners hold the neck too close to their body making an F chord almost impossible. Your left arm should be holding the neck way away from your body at about a 45 degree angle. Kinda like how you would hold a machine gun if you were going to shoot some one at your 10 o'clock. I have posted a photo to give you an idea. If you are already holding the guitar that way and still having trouble then try this. Start by only playing the top four strings instead of all six strings. In other words the four strings closest to the floor. Forget about the two bass strings. It will still be an F chord just without the bass. Then when you can play that way comfortably you can add the two bass strings.
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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2016, 09:25:18 AM »
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Your left arm should be holding the neck way away from your body at about a 45 degree angle.

Comments such as this give me an "aha moment", although they don't always register the first time I read them &/or I forget until I'm reminded. Thanks.

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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2016, 11:30:48 AM »
What's the issue with teaching the D chord? In its simplest form:

http://www.ukulele-chords.com/D

I use 2 fingers for the 3 adjacent strings. Smaller fingers might use 3.

Meanwhile, I'm sure you're aware of the multitude of 2- and 3-chord songs. Google will show long lists of them with lyrics and chords.

These kids just learned F. They struggle to go from C to F. We'd also need to have G before D would be useful in the context I need. I'm going to try G with them next class, but right now, they don't even all have F. Going G to D is an even bigger leap. I'm sure it'll be doable in the second half of the year, but at least 6 ukes are left on the shelf at the end of class. G to D is not something you can learn in 30 minutes, one day a week.

I don't even like playing D. We'll probably use D7 when we get there anyway. Stupid smushed up fingering. (my violin background probably plays a role in my bias here)

I do have a curriculum shared from a fellow teacher taking us through about a dozen easy singable tunes to get us through a handful of basic chords and then the Ukulele in the Classroom set to get some scales and melody playing in too. I've started combing through some of the websites with chord charts, but I'm also hoping to work with the songs the younger grades are learning on recorder (as that's also the background the middle school kids have).

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« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2016, 11:47:09 AM »
Understood. You don't get a lot of time with the kids, and it's not contiguous time either.

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We'll probably use D7 when we get there ...

Some forms of D7 are harder for me to play than D (see here). I play a cheater D7, also known as a "Hawaiian D7", that requires just 2 fingers (see attachment).
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Re: Struggling with guitar
« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2016, 12:06:43 PM »
I was lucky learning how to change from A to D (D to G on the uke) since I learned at the time Gloria by Them was big hit. I spent many hours learning the E to D to A chord progression that repeated endlessly and very fast. I spent hours of my youth practicing it.
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Re: Struggling with guitar
« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2016, 10:07:18 PM »
Understood. You don't get a lot of time with the kids, and it's not contiguous time either.

Some forms of D7 are harder for me to play than D (see here). I play a cheater D7, also known as a "Hawaiian D7", that requires just 2 fingers (see attachment).

Yes, that's the D7 I'm planning on going with if they can't quite get a good D. Since I'll be using it in the context of pieces in the key of G, a "sort of" D7 will fill the role of Dominant nicely.

Ideally, any performing instrumental class should meet at least 3 times a week, or for a longer class period if it's only twice, but I get what I get and I will give them the best I can with the time we have. I'm really going to try to push for a twice a week music experience for the kids in the future, but the school is currently limited by facilities and schedule. I share the studio with Art and Spanish.

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Re: Struggling with guitar
« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2016, 06:47:58 PM »
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Started reading, interesting story so far.

Finished the book, but was somewhat disappointed. The first 35-40% was merely 'history', and most of the rest covered subjects somewhat superficially. Maybe my expectations were too high, based on the celebrity status of the author and the orchestra he plays in. I suppose I'd have a different perspective if I hadn't been playing (or trying to play) the ukulele for 5 years.
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Re: Struggling with guitar
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2016, 06:57:39 PM »
I was not disappointed since I know what to expect from books about music. They can only teach you so much. I just finished it yesterday also. Near the end is a list of uke players to check out so I have been on YouTube checking them all out. I love music from the 20s and 30s and there is a lot from that era.
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