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Title: Password Nightmares
Post by: Heli_av8tor on December 22, 2017, 06:42:48 PM
Remembering passwords has become a nightmare.

Are any of you using one of the programs to manage passwords and have any recommendations?

Tom
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Tom on December 22, 2017, 06:50:43 PM
I've been using KeePass Password Safe (https://keepass.info) for a number of years, and it's been solid. The auto-type feature makes it really easy to enter user names and passwords automatically. Or you can view/type them manually, and a few other options. There is also a 'portable' version for your phone or tablet.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Sun2Retire on December 22, 2017, 06:53:05 PM
Remembering passwords has become a nightmare.

Are any of you using one of the programs to manage passwords and have any recommendations?


I created a “standard” password that has capital letters, numbers and and a symbol which the has a letter added to make it site specific but easy for me to remember (for example “AE” for American Express). Didn’t like the idea of all my passwords being stored by a single application.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: ruthandken CDN on December 22, 2017, 07:21:51 PM
I use LastPass.  Have done for years.  I think it's a great program.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: xrated on December 22, 2017, 07:45:50 PM
I've used Ascendo DataVault Password Manager for years.....probably 5 or more.  There is also a mobile version for Android and Apple.  It's a very solid program and it's very easy to sync your home computer/laptop/mobile device so that you really only have to enter the info on, let's say the home computer.  Another advantage of course is being able to back up the program's data to a flash drive to store either off site or in a fireproof box of some sort.  I use it on my home computer, phone, tablet, and Surface Pro. 
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: scottydl on December 22, 2017, 07:51:29 PM
My usual browser is Firefox, and it has a function to remember passwords for any site visited (I think many browsers do this now).  Creating a Firefox account allows me to log into any Firefox on any computer/device anywhere, and all my passwords are available there too.  Or if I need to use another browser/computer and need a password, I can open up Firefox on my cell phone and search for any password I need.  The system works pretty well!
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: kdbgoat on December 22, 2017, 08:43:18 PM
I use a couple of pieces of paper.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Rene T on December 22, 2017, 09:14:43 PM
I use a couple of pieces of paper.

Same here. I basically have three passwords for all the sites I get into. For each site, I have them written down on a piece of paper and keep it in my wallet. I omit some of the characters in the passwords so in case someone finds my password sheet, they will not know what they are.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: LarsMac on December 22, 2017, 09:40:17 PM
I have a "set" of passwords based on a cartoon characters from strips I remember as a kid.
Easy enough to remember.
 


Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: 8Muddypaws on December 22, 2017, 11:26:04 PM
I keep an encrypted excel spreadsheet with all my passwords.  Financial passwords are complex and less risky ones are kept simple.

When creating a password I use a phrase like 'I don't like avocado for 2017' (not a real example) would become 'Idla42017'.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: xrated on December 23, 2017, 02:27:26 AM
For all you folks that write passwords down, etc....why don't you just get a password manager like some of the ones mentioned above and use it?  Then, all you have to remember is ONE password...the one to open your password manager.  Once the data has been entered, run a backup and copy all the data onto a flash drive/thumb drive so that if you system ever crashes, you simply reinstall the password manager software and then use the thumb drive to "restore" you data.  Then at least, if you can't remember passwords and have to write them down.....you'd only have one to write down!
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Tom on December 23, 2017, 05:38:16 AM
Quote from: Tom
I've been using KeePass Password Safe (https://keepass.info) for a number of years, and it's been solid.

Forgot to mention it uses an encrypted database and a single password to open the DB. Because of the number of sites and functions I need password protected, I'd have no hope of keeping track of the many complex passwords I use.

User names and passwords can be auto typed, copied/pasted, or manually read and typed. I can copy the DB to other devices, including tablets and thumb drives, for parallel use or for backup. I've liked the fact that it is actively supported by the author.

This is not the only solution, but an example of what works. I've seen several similar programs over the years, some of which I've tried/used until they were no longer supported. I'm sure there are a number out there that work just fine for this purpose, but I haven't had a need to research the field for a number of years.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Daffy on December 23, 2017, 06:22:52 AM
My usual browser is Firefox, and it has a function to remember passwords for any site visited (I think many browsers do this now).  Creating a Firefox account allows me to log into any Firefox on any computer/device anywhere, and all my passwords are available there too.  Or if I need to use another browser/computer and need a password, I can open up Firefox on my cell phone and search for any password I need.  The system works pretty well!

While it is quite convenient it can be compromised quite easily, I recommend a password safe or an encrypted spreadsheet.

Passwords are like underwear and should be changed regularly.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: kdbgoat on December 23, 2017, 06:38:19 AM
Same here. I basically have three passwords for all the sites I get into. For each site, I have them written down on a piece of paper and keep it in my wallet. I omit some of the characters in the passwords so in case someone finds my password sheet, they will not know what they are.

I have a few more passwords than that, but that is essentially what I do.

For all you folks that write passwords down, etc....why don't you just get a password manager like some of the ones mentioned above and use it?  Then, all you have to remember is ONE password...the one to open your password manager.  Once the data has been entered, run a backup and copy all the data onto a flash drive/thumb drive so that if you system ever crashes, you simply reinstall the password manager software and then use the thumb drive to "restore" you data.  Then at least, if you can't remember passwords and have to write them down.....you'd only have one to write down!

Just as easy to write them on a piece of paper. And the chances of having a piece of paper hacked is pretty low. ;D
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: John From Detroit on December 23, 2017, 06:54:48 AM
I use LastPass.  Have done for years.  I think it's a great program.

Ditto works on Chrome book (Chrome browser) WIndows (Assorted browsers) and my Androids.

So long as I remember my LP Log in I can go to any computer. and do a one-time log in and then go to any pw protected site.. Had to do that to rent a car back in 2013 Used the rental's computer to access my E-mail so I could print out a copy of my phone bill.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Corky on December 23, 2017, 06:57:45 AM
With 9 computers and 8 employees I manage all password using Keepass, both at work and at home.
It's a very easy to use encryption program. At the moment I am re-configuring to have the database stored on my FTP site for a single point access. As previously stated you only need to remember just one password.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Tom on December 23, 2017, 07:00:05 AM
That makes two of us using Keepass  ;D
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 23, 2017, 07:41:02 AM
I hate passwords ...and underwear. 

The last time someone got into my account...they left me a note saying they hope things get better.   :)
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Rene T on December 23, 2017, 07:44:31 AM
I hate passwords ...and underwear.

The last time they got into my account...they left me a note saying they hope things get better.   :)

Well you have no choice on one of them but you do have a choice on the other one.  :o ::) ;D
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Dick Zeiter on December 23, 2017, 07:50:02 AM
According to my KeyPass tray, I have 12 groups and 483 entries (71 business, 6 banking, 10 financial as well as other personal entries). Would not be without it. Easily transferable from my home computer to the motorhome desktop when I take off for a trip. Got turned on to this program by an Ice Cream vendor I vended next to at the Blythe CA bluegrass festival.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 23, 2017, 07:58:21 AM
What happens when you forget your password to KeyPass ?


I really hate you can never re-use your favorite password,  if you have re-set it.

Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Dick Zeiter on December 23, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
What happens when you forget your password to KeyPass ?

You forget all the others. Anyone should be able to remember just one. Also It is unique to me and can be obtained alternately. The vendor I worked next to had a sealed envelope with the password in it that he gave to the executor of his estate should he or his wife pass.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: jje1960 on December 23, 2017, 10:21:49 AM
While it's imperative to use different passwords, you only really need to remember 1... This would be the passphrase to an encrypted file!
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: ronniebellie on December 23, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
I have more than 150 passwords for the many web sites, mail servers, hosting servers, financial accounts, emails, forums, etc. I use both the browser save password function (all modern browsers have this) and https://1password.com (https://1password.com). For the browser (both Safari and Chrome), all passwords are stored in keychain in iCloud, so they are both on my MacBook Pro and on my iPhone since both are logged into iCloud.

Remember that passwords MUST BE secure and a combo of upper case, lower case, numbers and characters. Do not use dictionary words, nor sequences that are human generated. In general, passwords that are human generated are insecure. Passwords that are suggested by the browser or other software are generally secure.

Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: wincom6 on December 23, 2017, 02:45:34 PM
I have a Microsoft Word Document with all passwords and it’s password protected. Is this to unsafe?
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Lowell on December 23, 2017, 03:43:32 PM
I have a Microsoft Word Document with all passwords and it’s password protected. Is this to unsafe?

I do the same with a spreadsheet and keep it on  thumb drive. i don't plug it into PC unless I need to check it.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: ArdraF on December 23, 2017, 05:53:35 PM
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I have a Microsoft Word Document with all passwords and it’s password protected. Is this to unsafe?

Assume it's stored in your computer.  Take it one step farther and put the entire list on an external disk (floppy, CD), then erase the document from your computer.  Put the disk somewhere safe and, even if someone accesses your computer, they will not find your passwords.  We don't use any commercial software for ours and we do not store it in the cloud or anywhere else that can be hacked.  Also, every password is different, with those for financial systems very complex.

ArdraF
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: docj on December 23, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Ditto works on Chrome book (Chrome browser) WIndows (Assorted browsers) and my Androids.

So long as I remember my LP Log in I can go to any computer. and do a one-time log in and then go to any pw protected site.. Had to do that to rent a car back in 2013 Used the rental's computer to access my E-mail so I could print out a copy of my phone bill.

I also use LastPass and have enabled two-factor authentication.  If I log in from an unfamiliar device the system will send a text message to the phone registered to my account. After entering the code I can complete the log-in.

As for remembering the master password for LastPass, I use a "special" PW that I don't use anywhere else nor do I permit myself to use any variants of it on any other sites.  It is truly unique to my LastPass account.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Alaskansnowbirds on December 23, 2017, 10:46:11 PM
Another Lastpass user. Been using it for over 5 years. No problems. Its had very good reviews from the security experts. It has a security challenge area that will check all your passwords for duplicates and complexity.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Dragginourbedaround on December 24, 2017, 12:13:39 PM
I've been using Keeper Password Manager for quite a few years and have been very happy with the security. I change my password for keeper and all financial sites once a month.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: pz on December 24, 2017, 12:33:16 PM
All password managers are excellent until they are hacked, in my opinion. I do not like the idea of cloud based password management because if a competent hacker breaks into the system (remember all the major systems that have been hacked recently?), then all your passwords are vulnerable.


There is no perfect management system, but keeping it simple is likely the best method - maybe paper, or Word/Excel document on a flash drive. After all, how much identity theft was there before the Internet?
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Heli_av8tor on December 28, 2017, 10:23:23 AM
Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

I pretty much through a dart at the ones that got several mentions and ended up with LastPass. Actually I thought I was trying the same one as Tom (KeePass) until I reread this topic. LOL

Will see how it goes. There's a lot to learn...

Tom
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 28, 2017, 01:08:27 PM
I use a couple of pieces of paper.

Same here. I keep it in the desk across from the couch and update it as needed. I make a copy when we are going to be away for more than a couple of days.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: kdbgoat on December 28, 2017, 01:36:22 PM
Hey Gator! Great to see ya" back! :) 8)
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 28, 2017, 01:48:43 PM
Hey Gator! Great to see ya" back! :) 8)

Sorry to hear about your medical problems. Hope you're recovery is progressing well.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: kdbgoat on December 28, 2017, 02:06:53 PM
Thank you. Pretty much back to normal (whatever that is!) ::) Your avatar had me concerned about you, but I saw another post explaining the walker. Bet she's not going to tolerate that ruse for long! ;D
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: ileenback on December 30, 2017, 11:42:22 AM
I've been using an app called Cypher Bot for iOS to encrypt passwords, than saved openly in Notes & Cloud.

Here's one of my passwords.... (Encrypted) +3dBzp+mWgZtsa0PEZr6hX2VcjeCqPCYBuG/zer1h2o=

Back in my IT days, I'd simply use combination of clients name & address (uppercase, lowercase, numeric) 

 
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: decaturbob on January 14, 2018, 08:54:43 PM
Remembering passwords has become a nightmare.

Are any of you using one of the programs to manage passwords and have any recommendations?

Tom

I use firefox (since first release) and there is an extension that will save out all your login and password info which I then import into a spread sheeet to print out.  Last count I had 150+ accounts/sites that required a password.  I keep the print out close and safe.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: davismills on January 15, 2018, 04:46:49 AM
I've been using KeePass Password Safe (https://keepass.info) for a number of years, and it's been solid. The auto-type feature makes it really easy to enter user names and passwords automatically. Or you can view/type them manually, and a few other options. There is also a 'portable' version for your phone or tablet.

X1:  Love this program!
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: JackL on January 15, 2018, 04:53:49 AM
I have you all beat.
 I don't have any. That is my wife's job.

Jack L
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Bill N on January 15, 2018, 06:47:39 AM
Basically I keep all mine  in an address book but I do let Chrome remember the ones that will cause no harm if hacked - like RV Forum.....lol
But one problem I don't see mentioned here for folks who use the thumb drives - many of my sites required frequent password changes - banks, government sites, medical sites, etc.  These always seem to be sites that I don't frequent too often and when I do I find it is password change time.  So you would be needing to change the thumb drive with every site change too.  Other than one or two sites I really don't have any that would endanger me if those passwords were compromised.  Like many others, my bank notifies me immediately if an unusual large transaction is made to my account.  I have now become accustomed to notifying them in advance. Today I buy a new portable oxygen concentrator so I will notify them before they get excited.  I do appreciate that service.

Bill
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: John From Detroit on January 15, 2018, 10:13:13 AM
Last Pass is the one I use...  Wrks with FF, Chrome. MSIE, and I think Edge, and likely more. WOrks on Win-10, Win-XP, Chromebook, Android and I don't know what else. Likely linux  Once I log into Last Pass I have my entire bokmarks file, in a searchable database, and I have all the passwords.. Highly encrypted.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Bill N on January 16, 2018, 07:27:28 AM
Last Pass is the one I use...  Wrks with FF, Chrome. MSIE, and I think Edge, and likely more. WOrks on Win-10, Win-XP, Chromebook, Android and I don't know what else. Likely linux  Once I log into Last Pass I have my entire bokmarks file, in a searchable database, and I have all the passwords.. Highly encrypted.

Crazy question John.  If you have to log into a web site to save your passwords, would not that web master have all your information and that of a lot of other folks?  In other words could his system be hacked like every big business seems to be getting hacked these days?

Bill
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Oldgator73 on January 16, 2018, 08:16:15 AM
Crazy question John.  If you have to log into a web site to save your passwords, would not that web master have all your information and that of a lot of other folks?  In other words could his system be hacked like every big business seems to be getting hacked these days?

Bill

When your vital information is stolen, is it being done by hacking passwords? Aren't bank accounts and SSAN's stolen by means other than obtaining PW's? Bill and others that were in the military might remember when we paid by check at the commissary and BX, PX and NEX, we had to have our name, full address, phone number and SSAN printed on the front of the check. Just sitting out there for everyone to see. I keep my PW's on a sheet of paper in the top drawer of a desk in the living room. I retired from the DoD in 2015. We had to have PW's for everything. The government went to CAC, access cards, that replaced the military ID. CAC's are used for everything; base access, computer access, etc. SSAN's used to be printed on military ID,s but no more. Neither AD CAC's nor retired ID's include the SSAN. I would like to have the same PW for everything but it seems the PW requirements vary between those that require PW's to access.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Old_Crow on January 16, 2018, 09:39:56 AM
I would like to have the same PW for everything but it seems the PW requirements vary between those that require PW's to access.

Find the site you use with the most robust password.  ie, number, symbol, uppercase letter, lowercase letter.  Make up a password that satisfies that and then change all your less robust passwords to match.   I'm in the middle of that right now.  It make take time, but it can be done.
I have one password for financial and business sites and a different one for recreational sites like forums and facebook.
Title: Re: Password Nightmares
Post by: Sun2Retire on January 16, 2018, 09:57:26 AM
Find the site you use with the most robust password.  ie, number, symbol, uppercase letter, lowercase letter.  Make up a password that satisfies that and then change all your less robust passwords to match.   I'm in the middle of that right now.  It make take time, but it can be done.
I have one password for financial and business sites and a different one for recreational sites like forums and facebook.

This is essentially what I did several years ago. I have a basic "core" section of a master password that satisfies the requirements of virtually every site. The "core" is made up of a couple of notable dates using letters and numbers, including a couple of capitals plus a symbol. I then add a letter or two to the end, unique to each site (e.g., the RV Forum might have "RVF" appended to the end). In this way I have a unique password for every single site, very strong, and yet easy to remember. I do have a Word document with a list, but that list is just a set of URLs with reminders that would be gibberish to anyone except me. I can then log in to almost every site without referring to my list, with the very occasional site that didn't, for example, allow the symbol I chose.