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Title: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 23, 2017, 06:54:38 PM
If you all have been reading in the newcomer's forum the post "New to me camper" you all know how bad my wife and I took a beating on a used camper. I played every card in the book to shame or intimidate the guy into taking it back and it seemed to work but he has disappeared this time for good. But I was playing poker, bluffing and he called so I have decided to proceed with trying to do the repairs myself. BTW  please forgive me BikerFlex&HappyJen for stealing some of your idea for the posting's title  :D

I'm only doing this because of being encouraged by many of you who have traveled down this same road and not necessarily having the expertise to do so. I know that I don't but sometimes I have surprised myself but it's always been with the knowledge that I have gleaned from people just like you so I'll be asking for a lot of help.I hope I can pull this off as this will be the only way it will get done as there just isn't any more money to invest in an RV (or at least that's what my wife tells me) :)

A start off question is I would like to use treated lumber for the repair, most have advised against because it's an inside living area and the treated wood will cause perforation of the aluminum. If I seal the wood  with good paint or water sealant will this suffice?   


The next post I'll have preliminary photos of what I'm dealing with, these will be what I know and what I think is damaged. I have not disassembled much because I just made this decision and it is raining here. That is also another problem as I will be working outside, I'm looking for a big tarp and straps to secure it when I'm not working on it.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 23, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
Here are the preliminary photos.

Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on May 23, 2017, 07:15:51 PM
The treated lumber won't be an issue.  Everyone that has any sense repairs their trailer with treated lumber, or something similar.
It's not treated like it was back in the day (which is why it doesn't last as long anymore ::))

First you need to tear out everything rotten and damaged. EVERYTHING.
Be prepared to discover more damage then you see at first glance.
Don't be afraid to remove the cabinets, and whatever needs removing.
Everything tends to be screwed together, and quickly leads to more being removed then first anticipated.
That's OK.  I found that its easier to just accept it and keep rolling then fighting the desire to not have to remove something that seems difficult.

Then you need to determine what the cause was.  That is paramount.
Have you been on the roof yet?
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 23, 2017, 07:55:33 PM
The treated lumber won't be an issue.  Everyone that has any sense repairs their trailer with treated lumber, or something similar.
It's not treated like it was back in the day (which is why it doesn't last as long anymore ::))

First you need to tear out everything rotten and damaged. EVERYTHING.
Be prepared to discover more damage then you see at first glance.
Don't be afraid to remove the cabinets, and whatever needs removing.
Everything tends to be screwed together, and quickly leads to more being removed then first anticipated.
That's OK.  I found that its easier to just accept it and keep rolling then fighting the desire to not have to remove something that seems difficult.

Then you need to determine what the cause was.  That is paramount.
Have you been on the roof yet?

I have not been on the roof but have looked at it from a ladder and everywhere I can reach felt  solid. I hesitate getting on the roof because I weigh in at 285, if the roof is solid will it support my weight?. There has been seam repairs including around all of the equipment and vents and it does not presently leak.When I'm done with the repairs I'm going to seal all the seams using eternabond tape.Is this a good product?
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on May 24, 2017, 08:26:09 AM
I was referring to whether or not you have ever looked at the roof at all.  I would imagine the roof would hold you if it's solid, but you will have to feel that out, literally. ;)

I have yet to use eternabond, but from what I have read people seem very happy with it.

The lap sealant on the roof should be inspected closely, but doesn't necessarily mean it was the source of a leak.  It should be re-applied regularly when cracks are showing.  If everything you come across is old and dry I would think that is a good sign that whatever was the source has been repaired.

I would begin pushing hard against the inside and outside walls wherever you suspect damage feeling for weakness along the way.  Start where the damage is and work out and up from there.  Be sure the damage is localized and not a section of wall from the roof down.  Once you are satisfied begin removing the corners, and lots of screws to investigate further.  The flooring and bottom board needs to be inspected thoroughly.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Peggyy on May 24, 2017, 10:02:29 AM
Good luck and know we are rooting you on!  Keep us updated with your progress!
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Triple Slide Jayco on May 24, 2017, 10:23:27 AM
If you all have been reading in the newcomer's forum the post "New to me camper" you all know how bad my wife and I took a beating on a used camper. I played every card in the book to shame or intimidate the guy into taking it back and it seemed to work but he has disappeared this time for good. But I was playing poker, bluffing and he called so I have decided to proceed with trying to do the repairs myself. BTW  please forgive me BikerFlex&HappyJen for stealing some of your idea for the posting's title  :D

I'm only doing this because of being encouraged by many of you who have traveled down this same road and not necessarily having the expertise to do so. I know that I don't but sometimes I have surprised myself but it's always been with the knowledge that I have gleaned from people just like you so I'll be asking for a lot of help.I hope I can pull this off as this will be the only way it will get done as there just isn't any more money to invest in an RV (or at least that's what my wife tells me) :)

A start off question is I would like to use treated lumber for the repair, most have advised against because it's an inside living area and the treated wood will cause perforation of the aluminum. If I seal the wood  with good paint or water sealant will this suffice?   


The next post I'll have preliminary photos of what I'm dealing with, these will be what I know and what I think is damaged. I have not disassembled much because I just made this decision and it is raining here. That is also another problem as I will be working outside, I'm looking for a big tarp and straps to secure it when I'm not working on it.

I just repaired my Jayco I got at auction with wood,aluminum and trim damage.

The slide out and wall next to slide out had this issue.



Take pictures as you go of every step.

First, take the aluminum and trim off, peel back as far as needed. (save everything)- even the screws. The aluminum will be in long lengths, take a metal sawzall blade or a pair of good tin snips and cut the piece upwards to the next piece. I wouldn't take the entire 8 or 10 foot piece out unless you can easily, because you could be taking it out around windows, vents etc, which makes the job harder. By only taking out a small section (you will have overlapping butt joints when the new siding is installed) but you will save money and time and labor.
Measure the rotted wood the best you can for replacement with new wood. I wouldn't put in treated (google it and you decide) It adds possible other issues and more work to paint it now.
Sawzall all rotted wood out.
Try to buy the same thickness of wood they used and get some good construction adhesive and good outdoor screws so you can rebuild the wall frame. Glue and screw everything.
If the floor is rotted, again the sawzall is the best tool to cut it back as far as needed. Replace that wood first and build off of that. If under cabinet in master bed, remove cabinet fix floor and reinstall cabinet later.
Once wall is built and in place, replace inside wall with luan or other thin wall board ,sold at Home depot ,Menards then install new insulation.
At this point you should hopefully be ready for the aluminum install.
I went into General RV and had them order - Direct from the manufacturer the lengths I needed and the color etc. Its was an exact match. The shipping is the killer, which is why you only peel back what you need to replace. If you need ne trim pieces try to order them or look on Ebay etc or online under RV camper parts.
At this point I suggest you have a local siding/ window company install it for you, possibly ask a guy you see around town who has a work truck if he wants to make a few bucks and help you out. He can install it easily. The reason why I suggest he do it, is because there are little things of aluminum he will have to make for you to make this look right, the bottom skirting, underside caps etc. I ran to my buddies a few times for him to make things on the brake for me.
This is a quick version of the project, but it is doable.
I would also have the same guy that does the siding jump on the roof and caulk the hell out of everything with the self leveling caulk they sell at General RV. These guys are great at that stuff. Also buy the non self leveling and have him do your windows and everything around the TT while hes there.
Its your call on the rear issue, IF its a problem on the inside of the TT then you may want to fix it while your hands are in this project, IF it can be left alone and sold at a later date and you pass this knowledge along thats up to you.  At this point the if it ain't broke don't fix it thought comes to mind to save time, stress and money.

 For shelter go to Ebay or harbor freight and get one of these.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Best-Choice-Products-10X10-EZ-Pop-Up-Canopy-Tent-W-Carrying-Case-/361573396403?hash=item542f742fb3:g:Mp4AAOSwagdXSOqQ
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: ClickHill on May 24, 2017, 03:16:08 PM
First and foremost don't be afraid.  You have merely touch the surface and I can assure you that you will find some more damage as you remove the outer and inner covering, but again, don't let this bother you just be prepared for the find - Don't be afraid, this is totally fixable and shouldn't be too expensive, pressure treated wood will be fine and I see no need to cover it with any sealant or paint.

This is going to take some time and it will be A LOT easier and much more enjoyable if you have an enclosed space to work, especially to protect the trailer from weather once you have opened it.  I can't give you any recommendations on an enclosed space but working on mine is nice because I pull it into my barn where I have power, water and a rubber floor.  I personally wouldn't take on a project like this if I didn't have the barn, because I know it will be open (to weather) longer than I initially expect it to be (others will likely disagree and maybe I'm just spoiled).

If you approach this properly you will have a lot of fun, learn more than most and be very proud of your accomplishment.  We will be asking you for your advice faster than you can imagine.

Have fun!!!

Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 24, 2017, 03:47:51 PM
First and foremost don't be afraid.  You have merely touch the surface and I can assure you that you will find some more damage as you remove the outer and inner covering, but again, don't let this bother you just be prepared for the find - Don't be afraid, this is totally fixable and shouldn't be too expensive, pressure treated wood will be fine and I see no need to cover it with any sealant or paint.

This is going to take some time and it will be A LOT easier and much more enjoyable if you have an enclosed space to work, especially to protect the trailer from weather once you have opened it.  I can't give you any recommendations on an enclosed space but working on mine is nice because I pull it into my barn where I have power, water and a rubber floor.  I personally wouldn't take on a project like this if I didn't have the barn, because I know it will be open (to weather) longer than I initially expect it to be (others will likely disagree and maybe I'm just spoiled).

If you approach this properly you will have a lot of fun, learn more than most and be very proud of your accomplishment.  We will be asking you for your advice faster than you can imagine.

Have fun!!!

I hope you are right  I don't have a choice but to do this outside but I'm doing it in as small a section as I can and covering it with a large tarp . I'm going to start on the front and I'm hoping the  damaged wood does not go to the top, I don't want to remove the last section of aluminum on the top because it has been sealed really good. I'm going with PT wood as dry as I can find, connector screws and liquid nails. I will try to size what is there and be ripping the boards. Oh I'm still afraid BTW I have lived in GA for 3 years and it never seems like it rains....now it won't stop
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 24, 2017, 08:42:14 PM
hats off to ya for taking this on !. when I had to replace the studs in the front of my camper, I started in the damaged front, gutted everything but the top cabinets. this exposed the inner studs, I then ripped out all the damaged boards. I did all this without removing much of the outside. if you do have to remove the siding ?, start at the bottom, work your way up. it can be done by removing a center piece ?, but it's harder to get it stapled back on the studs. this is why you start at the bottom, work your way up. then when it comes time to put it all back on, start at the top, staple, insert next lower panel, staple, and so on. the hardest part I had was the floor joist. because I had to run them under a cabinet wall, then the hard part was getting the plywood on the new joist, under the wall, then rest on the next floor joist. if you have to replace any bottom outside wall studs ?, you will have to cut the membrane away, then tape it back up when your done. word of caution !!!, be very careful about all wires hidden in any wall studs or floor joist !!!!!.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: tombillbob on May 24, 2017, 08:51:08 PM
I'm assuming that most of the leaks are at an edge or corner. That has been my experience. It is usually the corner moldings that let water seep in slowly so damage is done before you realize it. It's all repairable. Once you get into it, it will get easier  as you gain experience with it. What ever you do will a whole lot better than what the manufacture attempted.

Hope it is an interesting project for you, keep us posted.

Tom
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 24, 2017, 08:55:26 PM
after looking your damage over ^^^. I would attack this on a front and rear siding removal only. you can replace the corners after pulling off the siding on both front and rear. this way, you wont have the trailer exposed to much weather.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 24, 2017, 10:41:32 PM
I'm assuming that most of the leaks are at an edge or corner. That has been my experience. It is usually the corner moldings that let water seep in slowly so damage is done before you realize it. It's all repairable. Once you get into it, it will get easier  as you gain experience with it. What ever you do will a whole lot better than what the manufacture attempted.

Hope it is an interesting project for you, keep us posted.

Tom

Yes it appears that most of the damage is the lower corners, I hope it doesn't extend all the way to the top. I will start deconstruction in the morning, I hope its not worse than what I think. I'm lucky to have all the tools I think I will need, yes interesting but I fear the skill set needed to accomplish the repairs. I guess we will see.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 24, 2017, 10:45:27 PM
after looking your damage over ^^^. I would attack this on a front and rear siding removal only. you can replace the corners after pulling off the siding on both front and rear. this way, you wont have the trailer exposed to much weather.

That sir is the plan, after removing the front aluminum I hope I can peel back the side aluminum enough to make room to remove and replace the damaged corners. I bought a heavy duty 16x20 tarp to cover up the opening between working on it.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 24, 2017, 10:48:01 PM
hats off to ya for taking this on !. when I had to replace the studs in the front of my camper, I started in the damaged front, gutted everything but the top cabinets. this exposed the inner studs, I then ripped out all the damaged boards. I did all this without removing much of the outside. if you do have to remove the siding ?, start at the bottom, work your way up. it can be done by removing a center piece ?, but it's harder to get it stapled back on the studs. this is why you start at the bottom, work your way up. then when it comes time to put it all back on, start at the top, staple, insert next lower panel, staple, and so on. the hardest part I had was the floor joist. because I had to run them under a cabinet wall, then the hard part was getting the plywood on the new joist, under the wall, then rest on the next floor joist. if you have to replace any bottom outside wall studs ?, you will have to cut the membrane away, then tape it back up when your done. word of caution !!!, be very careful about all wires hidden in any wall studs or floor joist !!!!!.

If I am able to left the side bottom aluminum away from the camper can I get at the staples and take the membrane loose that way without cutting into it?
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 24, 2017, 10:52:31 PM
Good luck and know we are rooting you on!  Keep us updated with your progress!

Thanks but if I disappear you know  I have thrown in towel and lit a match I'm a fair mechanic but I have never claimed to be s carpenter. Carpentry is like being an artist, it is a skill you have and it cannot be taught... at least that's my opinion
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: kdbgoat on May 25, 2017, 05:51:05 AM
One of the last things that I can claim to be is a carpenter. I do have one special carpentry skill though, I can cut a crooked line on a radial arm saw. ;D Just take your time, think a bit and ask questions. I'm rooting for you also, and I believe you can handle it. If you get flustered on something, just step back, sit down with a good cup of coffee and stare at it for a while. It'll come to you as to how you need to handle it.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 25, 2017, 08:46:35 AM
One of the last things that I can claim to be is a carpenter. I do have one special carpentry skill though, I can cut a crooked line on a radial arm saw. ;D Just take your time, think a bit and ask questions. I'm rooting for you also, and I believe you can handle it. If you get flustered on something, just step back, sit down with a good cup of coffee and stare at it for a while. It'll come to you as to how you need to handle it.

Will do and thanks, the coffee might be a beer though 🙂 I'm up and ready to start, I'll be posting pictures of my progress.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: BikerFlex&HappyJen on May 25, 2017, 09:04:30 AM
Yes, take pictures all along the way. It especially helped us when reassembling everything back together. We reused our outside aluminum pieces so if you do, just be careful when removing them and keep them in order (you could label the inside with a marker). By removing the siding, you will likely have to remove the corner trim pieces. Take several sand which baggies with you and a marker. Label the hardware for each area you are doing to help keep everything organized. And like it's been mentioned....prepare yourself that what you currently know about the damage may possibly get more extensive as you open it up. Don't let it dishearten you! We found once we got it opened up and assessed and all damaged wood out, our determination kicked in! Full force.
Any questions go ahead and post them here. Lots of great folks here with all different experiences who are  ready to help you in any way we can!
We also found YouTube a great source for knowledge. It helped being able to watch and see how it's done.
If you type in 'camper water damage' you can find some videos that may help.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 25, 2017, 12:48:07 PM
So far, yuk!  What is the outside material called and where can I get it. Looks like a very thin plywood
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Helmerb on May 25, 2017, 01:02:47 PM
Probably 1/4" Luan (Loo-wan) plywood.  You can get it at any lumber yard.  Lowes and Home Depot sell full sheets or smaller pieces.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: kdbgoat on May 25, 2017, 01:13:44 PM
Looking at that pic, it looks like the studs survived.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on May 25, 2017, 02:17:25 PM
Looking at that pic, it looks like the studs survived.

They certainly do appear to be good.  That would be good news.


Unfortunately you may have to replace it with more luan depending on what needs to get matched up.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 25, 2017, 08:37:22 PM
The wood on the bad corner is gone from top to bottom, I started replacing everything on the bad corner and I got the hardest piece done. The other side is in good shape but I have to reproduce this part. I pulled the center one to use it as a template.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 25, 2017, 08:45:57 PM
They certainly do appear to be good.  That would be good news.


Unfortunately you may have to replace it with more luan depending on what needs to get matched up.

Luan appears to be there just to hold the insulation in place. I'm going to use Styrofoam insulation that I will
 glue in place. Would I really need the luan?
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on May 25, 2017, 09:19:17 PM
The luan is likely holding the form and adding integrity to the front by tying everything together.  I would replace it with something stronger, but if  the thickness is increased it will push the siding forward enough that the corners and edges won't match...possibly.  Hard to say without seeing it.  You need something.  One thing is certain the trailer mfg's won't spend 10 cents on something if it were not necessary.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 25, 2017, 10:48:46 PM
If I am able to left the side bottom aluminum away from the camper can I get at the staples and take the membrane loose that way without cutting into it?
if you have to replace a bottom wall stud that sits on top of the membrane ?, you may have to cut it ?, they put the membrane on first, then set the walls and floor joist on top of that. you can try to replace the wall studs without cutting the membrane ?, but you will need to remove the siding from the outside in order to get to it, or the inside if it's damaged ?. either way, it can be done. the biggest problem you will face ?, is if you have any large lumber that has bolts going through it, and it is attached to the frame , and is bad ?, then you will either have to work from the floor inside ( best if your replacing the floor decking ), or, you cut the membrane from under the camper to get to this lumber. this is what I faced on a few spots on the front of my camper. I had some lumber that had bolts through them, and they bolted through the membrane, so, in order to replace them, I had to cut the membrane out, get the damaged lumber out, replace it, new bolts, taped the membrane back up with black gorilla tape, seems to be holding great so far. this all will depend on where, how yours is damaged ?, then you can decide if you have to cut the membrane ?.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 25, 2017, 10:55:11 PM
So far, yuk!  What is the outside material called and where can I get it. Looks like a very thin plywood
luan, home depot, or lowes, about 20 something dollars a sheet, roughly about 3/16's thick ?, just ask for 1/4 luan, they will point you to it :-).
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 25, 2017, 10:58:21 PM
just want to add, your doing a great job so far !. I looked at the front you tore apart, well done !. its not as bad as you thought huh ?. it does take a lot of your time..that's for sure !. keep at it, lots of great folks here to lend a few words of advice :-).
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 26, 2017, 12:02:13 AM
just want to add, your doing a great job so far !. I looked at the front you tore apart, well done !. its not as bad as you thought huh ?. it does take a lot of your time..that's for sure !. keep at it, lots of great folks here to lend a few words of advice :-).

Yes and no
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: jackiemac on May 26, 2017, 12:49:22 AM
Wow what a project well done for taking it on. Good luck with the completion, you're doing a great job so far.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: BikerFlex&HappyJen on May 26, 2017, 06:58:29 AM
You are doing good on your project! Way to go! Looks like you're going to have a great camper when it's done.  Keep it up!
Side note: Make sure to use a mask if you're getting into any mold. They had some in the paint section at Home Depot for around $22-26?

You will be happy with yourself after you get this done and on the road. The sense of accomplishment is wonderful and you will appreciate this camper (it's probably hard right now).

We even have a lemon sticker on the back window now...it says 'Easy Peasy' and a lemon underneath.  :)

Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: catblaster on May 26, 2017, 07:15:28 AM
Luan appears to be there just to hold the insulation in place. I'm going to use Styrofoam insulation that I will
 glue in place. Would I really need the luan?

   Have you considered using tempered masonite, some call it oiled hardboard? Tempered masonite has a linseed oil coating that is baked on and makes it water resistant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardboard
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 26, 2017, 07:35:26 AM
Yes and no
I had just about as much damage to mine, IF NOT WORSE !?!. just think of how much cash your saving, by doing it yourself ! :-). it's not hard to do, it just takes a lot of your time, this much I know for a fact. we are not some factory with a dozen workers stapling it together in a few min's ?, we are people that take our time, and make sure its done right...well..we try ?!..lol. I think your doing a wonderful job so far, get-r-done !.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on May 26, 2017, 07:39:39 AM
As you are removing the skin do check the floor.  Be sure it's intact.

Is everything you are finding still dry?  Looks it.
I would take that as a good sign. 

Hey take what you can get. ;D
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 26, 2017, 08:15:01 AM
I had just about as much damage to mine, IF NOT WORSE !?!. just think of how much cash your saving, by doing it yourself ! :-). it's not hard to do, it just takes a lot of your time, this much I know for a fact. we are not some factory with a dozen workers stapling it together in a few min's ?, we are people that take our time, and make sure its done right...well..we try ?!..lol. I think your doing a wonderful job so far, get-r-done !.
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I never seen so many staples, there where many places the had 3 or more staples in an area the size of a dime.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 26, 2017, 08:23:57 AM
As you are removing the skin do check the floor.  Be sure it's intact.

Is everything you are finding still dry?  Looks it.
I would take that as a good sign. 

Hey take what you can get. ;D

In my first post I indicated that about 3ft of the floor in the very front had damage and the someone had put new plywood over the bad floor.  It is solid and sense it is under the back of the bed and just a storage area I was going to just live with that. Yes it was all dry so they did get the leaks stop. I hope I can get it back together again and leak free. I did order the corner seal tape , they also recommended chalking the edge corners over the tape what kind of chalk should I use?
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Rene T on May 26, 2017, 08:29:35 AM
In my first post I indicated that about 3ft of the floor in the very front had damage and the someone had put new plywood over the bad floor.  It is solid and sense it is under the back of the bed and just a storage area I was going to just live with that. Yes it was all dry so they did get the leaks stop. I hope I can get it back together again and leak free. I did order the corner seal tape , they also recommended chalking the edge corners over the tape what kind of chalk should I use?

I think you mean caulk.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 26, 2017, 08:36:36 AM
You are doing good on your project! Way to go! Looks like you're going to have a great camper when it's done.  Keep it up!
Side note: Make sure to use a mask if you're getting into any mold. They had some in the paint section at Home Depot for around $22-26?

You will be happy with yourself after you get this done and on the road. The sense of accomplishment is wonderful and you will appreciate this camper (it's probably hard right now).

We even have a lemon sticker on the back window now...it says 'Easy Peasy' and a lemon underneath.  :)

Thanks, I put in about ten hours yesterday, there does not appear to be any mold as they did get the leaks stop a longtime ago and its now bone dry. I don't know how great my repairs will be as I am taking some liberties but maybe it will be strong enough to keep the aluminum from flying off in the breeze🙂
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 26, 2017, 08:37:36 AM
I think you mean caulk.

Yea that stuff😀
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on May 26, 2017, 08:43:10 AM
You pretty much need to use lap sealant and putty tape everywhere.  Nothing else seems to stick well in my experience.  Don't use silicone.  The lap sealant is very sticky so wear vinyl gloves.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Helmerb on May 26, 2017, 11:54:49 AM
Luan appears to be there just to hold the insulation in place. I'm going to use Styrofoam insulation that I will
 glue in place. Would I really need the luan?

Luan will tie everything together and add a lot of structural integrity.  I'd replace with luan, glued and screwed.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 26, 2017, 07:50:36 PM
Yep, my brother who I would call a master carpenter told me the same. He had a good explanation, that cheap furniture you buy wobbles all over the place until you stick that piece cardboard on the back. Found it at Lowes tonight. If you wondering why he is not helping he lives in West Virginia and I'm here in good ole Georgia.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 26, 2017, 11:54:02 PM
dicor non-sagging sealant is what you need down the edge of your j-rails. dicor self leveling is what you will need for the top front cover trim, the trim that covers the siding, then laps on the roof. as your putting the j-rails back on, run putty tape, or butyl tape on the back side, followed up with the dicor non sagging sealant.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 26, 2017, 11:55:38 PM
I had just about as much damage to mine, IF NOT WORSE !?!. just think of how much cash your saving, by doing it yourself ! :-). it's not hard to do, it just takes a lot of your time, this much I know for a fact. we are not some factory with a dozen workers stapling it together in a few min's ?, we are people that take our time, and make sure its done right...well..we try ?!..lol. I think your doing a wonderful job so far, get-r-done !.
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I never seen so many staples, there where many places the had 3 or more staples in an area the size of a dime.
lol, yeah, they sure know how to use that staple gun huh ?..lol. I know what your saying !. seen it for myself a few times..lol.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 27, 2017, 01:09:32 PM
dicor non-sagging sealant is what you need down the edge of your j-rails. dicor self leveling is what you will need for the top front cover trim, the trim that covers the siding, then laps on the roof. as your putting the j-rails back on, run putty tape, or butyl tape on the back side, followed up with the dicor non sagging sealant.

Where can I find this sealant? Do I have to order online? I ordered seal tite corner seal and I would use this stuff in combination with that? Thanks
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on May 27, 2017, 02:02:23 PM
Google Dicor lap sealant.  The non sag is a bit pricey (still sags a bit) but works reasonably well.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 28, 2017, 05:09:06 PM
Where can I find this sealant? Do I have to order online? I ordered seal tite corner seal and I would use this stuff in combination with that? Thanks
I purchased all mine from a local rv dealer ship I buy from. they are around 9 dollars a tube ?, but worth it in my book. yes, you can use this to go with your seal tite product. I used buytal tape, and non sag dicro on all my j-rail corners. I also replaced every rusted square screw ( hate those ! ), with all stainless steel screws every place I could !. no more rusting screws. you can buy the dicor sealant from ebay.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 28, 2017, 10:50:46 PM
I have reconstructed the bad corner , unfortunately I  had to take back apart because I did not pay attention to the excat angles. The aluminum would not have lined up right, I saw what I did wrong and  the aluminum follows perfectly  down the side. I had to guess at how it all fit because all the wood that was there was basically gone and I did not want to pull the good side a part to have a look there. Not being a great carpenter and the fact I hillbilly engineered it does not look factory neat but it is strong as hell and it appears it will work.

I have to cut out the half moon brace that forms the curve in the aluminum than I can insulate and cover it. The good side for whatever reason the bottom frame board on the end is gone so I'm going to try and cut away the bad and fit a new section in there.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 28, 2017, 11:46:41 PM
I have reconstructed the bad corner , unfortunately I  had to take back apart because I did not pay attention to the excat angles. The aluminum would not have lined up right, I saw what I did wrong and  the aluminum follows perfectly  down the side. I had to guess at how it all fit because all the wood that was there was basically gone and I did not want to pull the good side a part to have a look there. Not being a great carpenter and the fact I hillbilly engineered it does not look factory neat but it is strong as hell and it appears it will work.

I have to cut out the half moon brace that forms the curve in the aluminum than I can insulate and cover it. The good side for whatever reason the bottom frame board on the end is gone so I'm going to try and cut away the bad and fit a new section in there.
I also had the problem of the paint lines, and pattern lining up perfect after I rebuilt my front , and front sides, I had no angles to go by ?, other than the aluminum siding cut ?, so I used that to go by on the corner angles. did the best I could, I think it will live. as for those round parts ?, yeah, as long as you have one good one to use as a pattern ?, your ok. I lucked out on my roof rafters, I had one good one left, I used it for a pattern to cut new rafters. word of caution !, do not use any sheet rock screws to attach any siding !!!. sheet rock screws will corrode aluminum siding, at least it did on mine ?, I then used wood screws made for outdoor weather where ever I attached wood to wood, then stapled the siding to the wood frame. when I attached all my j-rails, I used stainless steel screws.   
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 28, 2017, 11:48:51 PM
oh, and I think your doing a great job taking it on !, well done for sticking to it !.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 29, 2017, 06:53:45 AM
I also had the problem of the paint lines, and pattern lining up perfect after I rebuilt my front , and front sides, I had no angles to go by ?, other than the aluminum siding cut ?, so I used that to go by on the corner angles. did the best I could, I think it will live. as for those round parts ?, yeah, as long as you have one good one to use as a pattern ?, your ok. I lucked out on my roof rafters, I had one good one left, I used it for a pattern to cut new rafters. word of caution !, do not use any sheet rock screws to attach any siding !!!. sheet rock screws will corrode aluminum siding, at least it did on mine ?, I then used wood screws made for outdoor weather where ever I attached wood to wood, then stapled the siding to the wood frame. when I attached all my j-rails, I used stainless steel screws.

There were two half moon pieces intact and I used the middle one for the pattern. I glued and screwed everything using exterior hardware. Im off to lowes again for saw blades and insulation, I have decided against styrofoam, its just too hard to install with pieces of plywood in the way the factory installed to reinforce tieing the structure together.     
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Punomatic on May 29, 2017, 09:02:12 AM
Modeladay, I am so impressed with the work you are doing. I followed your other thread about the raw deal you got from the seller, and I was afraid you were going to just give up. Kudos to you for rolling up your sleeves and taking on this project. I predict you will enjoy your trailer more than many do when you start camping in it. You and the trailer are becoming one because of the intimate knowledge you are gaining by making repairs. Color me IMPRESSED!  :D
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 29, 2017, 11:59:59 AM
Modeladay, I am so impressed with the work you are doing. I followed your other thread about the raw deal you got from the seller, and I was afraid you were going to just give up. Kudos to you for rolling up your sleeves and taking on this project. I predict you will enjoy your trailer more than many do when you start camping in it. You and the trailer are becoming one because of the intimate knowledge you are gaining by making repairs. Color me IMPRESSED!  :D

Thank you, but lets save the kudos until I get finshed and it stays together on the first trip

As far as the seller goes I still like to choke the SOB. He owns a successful business yet he still felt the need to screw us.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Oldgator73 on May 29, 2017, 01:15:15 PM
Thank you, but lets save the kudos until I get finshed and it stays together on the first trip😁

I'm the same way when I do work around the house, especially if it's plumbing or electrical. I tell the wife to leave the room and then I turn the power off. She can't return until after she gets the all clear from me.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 29, 2017, 04:22:23 PM
Heck of a storm here ,I hope my tarp stays on. On the other hand if that big pine would fall on it that might work🤔
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on May 29, 2017, 04:34:55 PM
Hope she's tipped rearward. :o
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Rene T on May 29, 2017, 05:10:42 PM
Heck of a storm here ,I hope my tarp stays on. On the other hand if that big pine would fall on it that might work🤔

Save the ladder.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 29, 2017, 05:27:17 PM
Hope she's tipped rearward. :o
y

It is👍
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Punomatic on May 29, 2017, 07:39:20 PM
y

It is👍
I'm guessing God's Country means so that any water on the roof will run toward the rear and not under your tarp.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 29, 2017, 09:28:22 PM
I'm guessing God's Country means so that any water on the roof will run toward the rear and not under your tarp.

The Y was a typo 😁
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 31, 2017, 02:49:33 PM
About 90% done with the front
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Oldgator73 on May 31, 2017, 03:41:49 PM
I know who to call when I need work done. You may have found your retirement job.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 31, 2017, 07:52:32 PM
Really I suck, its just not real clean and finshed. If my dad was alive or I had my brother here you would see what a real carpenter can do. I admit it is strong and should be ok if I can keep the leaks out🙂
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: tombillbob on May 31, 2017, 09:13:47 PM
Hey go easy on your self. It's a 100% better than what the ''pros'' attempted at the factory!

Tom
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on May 31, 2017, 09:40:22 PM
Hey go easy on your self. It's a 100% better than what the ''pros'' attempted at the factory!

Tom

I wonder how these things stay together, staples, staples and more staples.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Punomatic on May 31, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
I'm sticking to my previous kudos comment. You are doing a great job.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on May 31, 2017, 11:49:13 PM
I agree, I think your doing a great job !. don't kick yourself, it's not like you work in a trailer factory...right ?. odds are, your putting it back together 10 times stronger than it was when it left the factory !..lol.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: BikerFlex&HappyJen on June 01, 2017, 07:36:29 AM
You are doing great on your repairs. Don't be so hard on yourself. You, like us, went into the rv repairs with little knowledge and no experience tearing apart and replacing rv damage. Once into the project, we realized just how much we were capable of. Like others have said, when you get this rv done you will defiantly appreciate it much more than before and take even more ownership it it than you did when you just picked and bought it. You will feel like it's your personal accomplishment and feel proud to take 'er out on the road. I know we feel comfort knowing our camper in a way we didn't before. Hopefully the raw feelings will subside and end up in the rubble with your damaged pieces. Now that we have ours close to done, we love our rv and don't carry the same hurtful emotions for the rv dealer than we did before. We have not forgotten what we went through. We would not recommend them to others to deal with. Nor would we likely ever go back. We are able to put it behind us now and enjoy our rv the way it was intended before the entire damage control occurred.
Keep up the good work on your project.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 01, 2017, 08:00:28 AM
You are doing great on your repairs. Don't be so hard on yourself. You, like us, went into the rv repairs with little knowledge and no experience tearing apart and replacing rv damage. Once into the project, we realized just how much we were capable of. Like others have said, when you get this rv done you will defiantly appreciate it much more than before and take even more ownership it it than you did when you just picked and bought it. You will feel like it's your personal accomplishment and feel proud to take 'er out on the road. I know we feel comfort knowing our camper in a way we didn't before. Hopefully the raw feelings will subside and end up in the rubble with your damaged pieces. Now that we have ours close to done, we love our rv and don't carry the same hurtful emotions for the rv dealer than we did before. We have not forgotten what we went through. We would not recommend them to others to deal with. Nor would we likely ever go back. We are able to put it behind us now and enjoy our rv the way it was intended before the entire damage control occurred.
Keep up the good work on your project.

Thanks you and to all the others but I have followed your" delema"(pun intended) and your finsh work  is amazing  I do think what I'm doing is much stronger but I have taken some liberties with the repairs and could have dug deeper. But it will be usable, I need to finish the front and than move to the back where I'm almost sure I'll find find floor damage under the shower although I find the shower tub its self solid. I hope to sure it up in some way if there is but refuse to deeper than that. I will reframe the entire rear if necessary but that's it. I want to make sure the roof is secure. If I can get 3 years out of it I'll feel somewhat vindicated   So you purchased your RV from a dealer and he got away with what he did? I guess it was one of those "buy as is"  I talked to a repair specialist at an RV dealership and he said he built his camper from a specially ordered tall steel box trailer. This way he would never have to worry about leaks. That sure says a lot about the quality of the campers he was involved in selling.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 02, 2017, 07:43:03 PM
Insulation done, I have some tidying underneath with the membrane ( Gorilla tape)  Test the lighting and then put on the luan.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on June 02, 2017, 07:56:05 PM
Be sure to check the gorilla tape.  Not sure how much mending needs done, but I have not been happy with GT.
It's heavy, but the adhesive is no better then  anything else.  A product called flex mend may work better.  I have not used it, but it is what is used to repair the membrane on mobile homes.

Otherwise looking good!  :))
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 03, 2017, 12:23:34 PM
Looking ahead to doing the rear how hard is it to remove the hot water heater?
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on June 03, 2017, 02:23:48 PM
Not hard if you can get to it.  I had to remove cabinets (had to anyway).  Mine wasn't coming out any other way.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 03, 2017, 08:22:21 PM
Not hard if you can get to it.  I had to remove cabinets (had to anyway).  Mine wasn't coming out any other way.

I'm in a bit luck there as its under the bunk beds, I thought I would get off easy and was hoping for the ones that the door and frame come off releasing the aluminum with out completely removing the tank. Nothing else has been easy so I don't know what I was thinking 🤔
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 04, 2017, 06:22:40 PM
Ready for the Seal-Tite edge tape and edging, I hope I got close with the edge gap where the aluminum meets.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on June 04, 2017, 08:24:31 PM
looks great !!. I do hope you checked the running lights before you installed the siding back on the top section ? ( i'm sure ya did ). I replaced all my running lights the other day, as well as the tail/turn/stop lights. figured it was a good time to give the ole girl a touch of class huh ?..lol. anyway, I think you have done a great job so far !. think of all the cash your saving by doing it yourself ?!. that's how I look at anything I put my hands on.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 04, 2017, 08:31:45 PM
looks great !!. I do hope you checked the running lights before you installed the siding back on the top section ? ( i'm sure ya did ). I replaced all my running lights the other day, as well as the tail/turn/stop lights. figured it was a good time to give the ole girl a touch of class huh ?..lol. anyway, I think you have done a great job so far !. think of all the cash your saving by doing it yourself ?!. that's how I look at anything I put my hands on.

Yes I did check the lights 🙂 In order to disassemble  I had to cut some of the wiring and nut it back together ,thanks again
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on June 04, 2017, 08:34:47 PM
Yes I did check the lights 🙂 In order to disassemble  I had to cut some of the wiring and nut it back together ,thanks again
your welcome :-). I am just glad ya hung in there, bit the bullet, and said..oh well..lets get this done !..lol. keep up the great work !.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Peggyy on June 05, 2017, 09:17:45 AM
I am so impressed!  I am so proud for you and your wife!  You will soon be able to hit the road and enjoy some great adventures!   Put that seller guy behind you and just move forward!  Happy camping!!
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 05, 2017, 10:39:41 AM
I am so impressed!  I am so proud for you and your wife!  You will soon be able to hit the road and enjoy some great adventures!   Put that seller guy behind you and just move forward!  Happy camping!!

Thanks, still have some work on the front and than its on to the rear so it will be awhile and Georgia summer is here and it can get brutal out there. As for the low life that sold me the camper I rather put him under my truck than behind me🙂
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 07, 2017, 04:12:00 PM
Seal-Tite corner seal on, cleaned everything and applied non sagging Dicor to edge as well. Edge went on with some  persuading. It works but I'm not making believe its factory specs but its not to bad.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 07, 2017, 04:20:06 PM
The real bad corner before and after
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Triple Slide Jayco on June 07, 2017, 05:15:18 PM
WOW looks great.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 07, 2017, 07:17:14 PM
WOW looks great.

Thanks, it took most of the day just to do one edge, hope to get the other one tomorrow than on to the rear
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Oldgator73 on June 07, 2017, 07:29:42 PM
Great job. I'm going to share this with my son. He is going through a similar process.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 07, 2017, 08:25:36 PM
Great job. I'm going to share this with my son. He is going through a similar process.

I highly recommend the Seal-Tite edge seal.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on June 07, 2017, 09:01:01 PM
I highly recommend the Seal-Tite edge seal.

Never heard of it.  Where were you last year when I had to completely gut and rebuild???? ;D

I will have to look into that product.

Looking good BTW.

Feeling good too, I imagine.   ;)
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 07, 2017, 09:09:56 PM
Never heard of it.  Where were you last year when I had to completely gut and rebuild???? ;D

I will have to look into that product.

Looking good BTW.

Feeling good too, I imagine.   ;)

It has incredible stick and exterior webing would appear to make it very strong. Last year? I sure wasn't worried about a leaky camper.😀 
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: kdbgoat on June 08, 2017, 05:51:16 AM
You have done a really nice job on your repairs, and it is an inspiration to folks that find they have considerable damage to their RV. Get it out there and start enjoying it! Looking at the title of this thread, I think an appropriate name for your trailer is "Sweet Lemonade" :). That would peak folks curisosity and you can explain the background, and "brag" about how much work you did on it. I'm really glad things are working out for you. 8)
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 08, 2017, 11:24:16 AM
You have done a really nice job on your repairs, and it is an inspiration to folks that find they have considerable damage to their RV. Get it out there and start enjoying it! Looking at the title of this thread, I think an appropriate name for your trailer is "Sweet Lemonade" :). That would peak folks curisosity and you can explain the background, and "brag" about how much work you did on it. I'm really glad things are working out for you. 8)

Thank you, I wouldn't wish this on anyone but for whatever selfish reason it would be interesting too know how many others have suffered this same fate. There seem to be many horror stories out there of people dealing with the same circumstances . I talked to an "RV Tech " at the local dealership. He said someone bought a camper and paid $15000.00 for it from an out of town dealer and he found extensive water damage in it and the dealer refuses to do anything about it... ouch! Do I still feel bitter? yes I guess I am. I got to finsh the other edge today than on to the back to see what treasures I find there.   
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Oldgator73 on June 08, 2017, 11:55:35 AM
My son has been diagnosed with PTSD. He separated from the AF in about 2009-2010. He was living in Monterey, CA working as a civilian for the Navy. To make a long story short he came to live with us to get some issues worked out. He expressed interest in living in an RV. We looked at several but they had visible extensive water damage. We finally found a TT that looked great. It had been renovated on the inside and looked to be in great shape. I paid $2500 for it and the guy towed it to a park. After being in it for a short period my son found some extensive water damage. I didn't even entertain the idea of going back to the seller. Too much hassle and disappointment in that. Luckily my son was a carpenter and welder in the AF so he can do the work. He is doing it as he gets money so it's going slow. The good thing is he really enjoys living in it and his PTSD seems to be somewhat in check.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on June 08, 2017, 12:27:16 PM
Thank you, I wouldn't wish this on anyone but for whatever selfish reason it would be interesting too know how many others have suffered this same fate. There seem to be many horror stories out there of people dealing with the same circumstances . I talked to an "RV Tech " at the local dealership. He said someone bought a camper and paid $15000.00 for it from an out of town dealer and he found extensive water damage in it and the dealer refuses to do anything about it... ouch! Do I still feel bitter? yes I guess I am. I got to finsh the other edge today than on to the back to see what treasures I find there.

Don't feel bad.  I could see there was some damage to my trailer, but way underestimated the damage, work, and shoddy workmanship from the mfg.  It's the nature of the territory.  You can either get ripped off buying a new one or take your chances buying used, and get ripped off down the road.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 08, 2017, 12:49:21 PM
Don't feel bad.  I could see there was some damage to my trailer, but way underestimated the damage, work, and shoddy workmanship from the mfg.  It's the nature of the territory.  You can either get ripped off buying a new one or take your chances buying used, and get ripped off down the road.

You are right but I still feel as if someone broke in to my house and stole my stuff. But at least if that happened I could recover because of insurance 🙂 Anyway time to move on after all this is a repair, remodeling forum so I'm off to work😁 I am tired though.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 08, 2017, 07:12:15 PM
My son has been diagnosed with PTSD. He separated from the AF in about 2009-2010. He was living in Monterey, CA working as a civilian for the Navy. To make a long story short he came to live with us to get some issues worked out. He expressed interest in living in an RV. We looked at several but they had visible extensive water damage. We finally found a TT that looked great. It had been renovated on the inside and looked to be in great shape. I paid $2500 for it and the guy towed it to a park. After being in it for a short period my son found some extensive water damage. I didn't even entertain the idea of going back to the seller. Too much hassle and disappointment in that. Luckily my son was a carpenter and welder in the AF so he can do the work. He is doing it as he gets money so it's going slow. The good thing is he really enjoys living in it and his PTSD seems to be somewhat in check.

It gives your son something to help occupy his mind and I'm sure this will help, tell good luck and if he is a carpenter he will make my repairs look like a Trump presidency BTW I wish I had only paid $2500
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 08, 2017, 07:15:22 PM
Done with the front, I'm going to give myself a week off before starting on the rear.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: ClickHill on June 13, 2017, 06:54:14 PM
That came out sooooo nice, looks great!!!
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 13, 2017, 08:52:29 PM
That came out sooooo nice, looks great!!!

Thanks, about to start the rear in the morning and I'm afraid of what I'm going find😩
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: muskoka guy on June 14, 2017, 10:25:25 AM
The work is coming along nicely. I read your entire post and the previous one where the deal was made. You still sound bitter about the deal. You have to move on, and not let it ruin your future good times in the rv. You have to take responsibility for the sale yourself. You should have gotten it inspected. You didnt. oh well. You made a mistake. oh well. We all do. No big deal. You hopefully will look back some time in the future as you sit around a campfire, and laugh about it all. You will have a sense of pride in knowing you learned from your mistake, and completed all the hard work to make the camper right. You will be much wiser in the future and your story will hopefully help others from making the same mistake. Good luck on the completion of the camper and happy camping.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 14, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
The work is coming along nicely. I read your entire post and the previous one where the deal was made. You still sound bitter about the deal. You have to move on, and not let it ruin your future good times in the rv. You have to take responsibility for the sale yourself. You should have gotten it inspected. You didnt. oh well. You made a mistake. oh well. We all do. No big deal. You hopefully will look back some time in the future as you sit around a campfire, and laugh about it all. You will have a sense of pride in knowing you learned from your mistake, and completed all the hard work to make the camper right. You will be much wiser in the future and your story will hopefully help others from making the same mistake. Good luck on the completion of the camper and happy camping.

Thanks and you are right, I find I'm more upset with myself than the seller for letting us get taken like this. In the past I have always done well buying  stuff, at no time did I take a beating like this. I guess it was time it caught up with me😕 Anyway I am finding some satisfaction put it back together, I just with I was better at it.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 14, 2017, 09:39:51 PM
Well I opened up the back......crap😡
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Triple Slide Jayco on June 15, 2017, 05:56:38 AM
WOW. Ya hate to stand and stare at the damage, your mind gets racing with all kinds of thoughts- good and bad. Put your head down and start ripping out the old and get it done.

Everyone on this site is behind you.!
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on June 15, 2017, 06:16:39 AM
Well, you were expecting it.  Keep your chin up.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 15, 2017, 06:52:09 AM
WOW. Ya hate to stand and stare at the damage, your mind gets racing with all kinds of thoughts- good and bad. Put your head down and start ripping out the old and get it done.

Everyone on this site is behind you.!


I wish everyone was here to help😀
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 15, 2017, 06:53:17 AM
Well, you were expecting it.  Keep your chin up.

Yea I know😕 Well I'm off to Lowes.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Punomatic on June 15, 2017, 08:04:29 AM
Having seen your accomplishment on the front end, I am confident you will handle this. We are all pulling for you.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: BikerFlex&HappyJen on June 15, 2017, 10:26:54 AM
Don't be discouraged. Once we tore all our damaged stuff out and could see a clean slate, it was exciting to start putting it back together. It was determination at its greatest at that point. Make sure to get and wear a mold mask before you start ripping that nasty stuff out.

You did a great job on the front, you can do the same here. Make sure to find where the leak started. Can't remember if you mentioned if you did?

I remember the emotions we felt as we did ours. You probably had the 'gut punch' moment when you opened this up. The rest of this repair will be determination, excitement and then when you're done, it will be such a feeling of accomplishment and hopefully you will love your rv just as we do now. We like it more now than we did when we bought it. Because it's 'ours'. With all the work we put into it, we have a sense of ownership that wasn't there before.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 15, 2017, 11:50:00 AM
Don't be discouraged. Once we tore all our damaged stuff out and could see a clean slate, it was exciting to start putting it back together. It was determination at its greatest at that point. Make sure to get and wear a mold mask before you start ripping that nasty stuff out.

You did a great job on the front, you can do the same here. Make sure to find where the leak started. Can't remember if you mentioned if you did?

I remember the emotions we felt as we did ours. You probably had the 'gut punch' moment when you opened this up. The rest of this repair will be determination, excitement and then when you're done, it will be such a feeling of accomplishment and hopefully you will love your rv just as we do now. We like it more now than we did when we bought it. Because it's 'ours'. With all the work we put into it, we have a sense of ownership that wasn't there before.
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Thanks for the words of encouragement, the leaks as in the front occurred under the edge molding. I'm using Seal-tite edge tape and cant believe it will happen again. There are more challenging issues on the back than on the front and maybe way out of my ability to fix properly.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: jackiemac on June 15, 2017, 01:08:54 PM
Looks awful. You have three right attitude though go for it. Ask questions if needed. Hopefully it will be easier than you think know once you get the rotten stuff out of the way. You will be an expert by the end of this that's for sure.

Rooting for you!
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on June 15, 2017, 01:32:05 PM
Just want to emphasize that although the water may have entered around the corners don't ignore sealing the roof edges and corners with lap sealant.  Personally I would reseal all the existing roof sealant.  It won't take but a few hours to clean it and seal it.  It's probably overdue anyway.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 15, 2017, 08:01:06 PM
Well😞  Does anyone know what kind of adhesive is used under the rubber roof. Also would there have been luan on the outside framing as in the front?
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on June 15, 2017, 08:29:11 PM
There are numerous adhesives and patches, etc. available. 

http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/dicor-rubber-roof-installation-kit-dove-grey/32141

http://www.adventurerv.net/epdm-rubber-roof-water-based-adhesive-gallon-p-6896.html?gclid=CjwKEAjw4IjKBRDr6p752cCUm3kSJAC-eqRtiuyJnN7Xw7fFHZwF6pB1J86dviMuZzm_IK2K1AXCKRoCzyLw_wcB&utm_campaign=partsfeed_ppc&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=Froogle
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on June 15, 2017, 08:53:26 PM
Well😞  Does anyone know what kind of adhesive is used under the rubber roof. Also would there have been luan on the outside framing as in the front?
First, as you already know, add me to the '' got taken for a ride '' list. second, your roof looks just like what I ripped off my trailer when I first repaired the roof, same stuff, I call it wafer board, some call it chip board, and a few other names out there. it really does not matter what you put down ?, luan, chip board, plywood ?. I used 3/8 plywood on my last roof repair, considering it had 5/8 wafer board on it ?..I gave it a diet !!..lol. may I suggest you plan on putting down a new rubber roof, you will need the special glue ( DO NOT USE CONTACT CEMENT ! ), this glue is made for rubber roofs only !!. most rv dealerships, or ebay sells this. just look for rv roof adhesive. the rubber roof membrane will not be cheap !!..but it's a very wise investment this far in !!.  plan on buying the décor lap sealant ( self leveling ) for all your vents, fridge vent, everything cept the roof air ( if there is one ? ), plan on a new seal for it. you will need butyl tape for all your vents, tv antenna , fridge vent, sewer pipe cap. I used all stainless steel screws on everything on my roof..no more rusty square screws !!..lol. ( stainless steel screws all around my trailer ). hardest part you face ?, is getting all that old putty tape off the seam joint sealers on the top end, that stuff is a pain to scrape off..lol. if you decide to install a new rubber roof ?, you must install the rubber roof at the front under the siding, then install the seam rail. when you get to the rear on the roof, install the siding down on the new wood with a few staples across the very edge, cement the new rubber roof over the siding just a tad, about as wide as the seam rail ?, new putty tape on the seam rail , new screws, after the seam rail is down, trim off the back side of the rubber roof, leaves it simple and clean :-). as for the rear damage ?, meh..you done well on the front, I have no doubts you can rebuild the rear !. sorry for the long post ?, but I wanted to tell you how I did mine, others my have a shorter version :-).
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 15, 2017, 09:59:23 PM
First, as you already know, add me to the '' got taken for a ride '' list. second, your roof looks just like what I ripped off my trailer when I first repaired the roof, same stuff, I call it wafer board, some call it chip board, and a few other names out there. it really does not matter what you put down ?, luan, chip board, plywood ?. I used 3/8 plywood on my last roof repair, considering it had 5/8 wafer board on it ?..I gave it a diet !!..lol. may I suggest you plan on putting down a new rubber roof, you will need the special glue ( DO NOT USE CONTACT CEMENT ! ), this glue is made for rubber roofs only !!. most rv dealerships, or ebay sells this. just look for rv roof adhesive. the rubber roof membrane will not be cheap !!..but it's a very wise investment this far in !!.  plan on buying the décor lap sealant ( self leveling ) for all your vents, fridge vent, everything cept the roof air ( if there is one ? ), plan on a new seal for it. you will need butyl tape for all your vents, tv antenna , fridge vent, sewer pipe cap. I used all stainless steel screws on everything on my roof..no more rusty square screws !!..lol. ( stainless steel screws all around my trailer ). hardest part you face ?, is getting all that old putty tape off the seam joint sealers on the top end, that stuff is a pain to scrape off..lol. if you decide to install a new rubber roof ?, you must install the rubber roof at the front under the siding, then install the seam rail. when you get to the rear on the roof, install the siding down on the new wood with a few staples across the very edge, cement the new rubber roof over the siding just a tad, about as wide as the seam rail ?, new putty tape on the seam rail , new screws, after the seam rail is down, trim off the back side of the rubber roof, leaves it simple and clean :-). as for the rear damage ?, meh..you done well on the front, I have no doubts you can rebuild the rear !. sorry for the long post ?, but I wanted to tell you how I did mine, others my have a shorter version :-).

I'm going to replace the one bad panel which is 8ft X 18 inches X 3/8. I'm just going to apply adhesive and put the rubber roof back down. If I have to replace the whole rubber roof I'm throwing in the towel I don't see why I can't do that?  What I was wondering if luan was used on the outside rear wall, it was on the front. Sense I believe that this is not the first time this has been apart I figured maybe someone just didn't replace it.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on June 15, 2017, 11:54:40 PM
I'm going to replace the one bad panel which is 8ft X 18 inches X 3/8. I'm just going to apply adhesive and put the rubber roof back down. If I have to replace the whole rubber roof I'm throwing in the towel I don't see why I can't do that?  What I was wondering if luan was used on the outside rear wall, it was on the front. Sense I believe that this is not the first time this has been apart I figured maybe someone just didn't replace it.
I can't tell you if your camper had luan on your back wall or not ?. mine did not, and most campers I have seen never showed to have it back there ?. mostly just siding. but these were all old campers ?, maybe newer models do ?, I don't know ?. I would not install in in the back if it were mine. as long as you have studs to attach the siding ?, just do that. as for the rubber roof ?, if its in good shape ?, then re-use it. if it's chalky, pin holes every where ?, well..i can tell you right now, all your hard work your doing is going to be coming right back in no time !. that rubber roof is what keeps the water ( mostly ) out of your camper, that..and  a good tight seal on all your joints, vents. your main problem your facing ?, is getting new glue to stick to that old rubber ?, I don't think it will stick very well ?, but maybe it will ?. if you do re-use it ?, make sure you seal the top vents, everything very well !. as well as the j-rails on the back corners, and you may luck out, and be dry free  ?!. by looking at your end pics ^^^^, you had a ton of water damage coming in from either the roof termination bar ?, or the side j-rails ?, or..worse case, your rubber roof is bad ?.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on June 15, 2017, 11:57:12 PM
and to answer your question as to why luan was in the front ?. simple : that is where the camper is getting all the head wind, they put it on there to give it strength would be my guess :-).
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on June 16, 2017, 12:23:26 AM
tip: make sure you check/re-seal the awning rails on both top sides !. make sure you check the awning lag bolts !. these area's will lead to water run off to each end of your camper, and you will have water damage. you can just re-seal these with no sagging sealant ?, or, pull the awning down, and replace the putty tape under them ?, BE WARNED !!!, that awning is a two or three person job to put back on your camper !! ( been there..done that..lol ). I had a stupid awning install on my camper, and who ever installed the awning lag bolts ?, ran the lag bolts right across the drip rail !!..very dumb !..lol. needless to say, I had to drop the new awning rails I bought about 1 inch, so I could raise the awning top brackets up enough to clear the drip rail, this way, no water would run down to either end, and run straight in through the lag bolts, so far, with all this heavy rain I have had here lately..NO LEAKS SO FAR !. I also noticed on a pic ^^^ from your first post, and seen where your clearance lights were before you removed the back siding ?, and from looking at your back end now, I see a lot of water damage right where some of the lights were ?. make sure to seal your lights up good with some non-sagging sealant as well :-). too bad your so far away ?..I got caught up around here, if ya was a lot closer, I would lend you some help :-). too bad no one is closer from here, and willing to give ya a hand. I deff would if ya was closer :-) I know how your feeling about all this..like I said..i too..was in the same boat as you !!, not once...but twice I had to repair my roof !. I had to gut the whole front inside of my camper to repair it, as well as rebuild all but one roof truss !, I know what your going through..trust me..i really do !!!. it is not the end of the world, yes..it sucks..i know it does !..lol. but..this can be fixed !!!, if I can do it ?, then surely you can too !. and I know dang well, there are others on here, that was in the same boat as you, me were in, or are in ?. if they haven't been were you are now ?..they will be !..lol. hang in there :-).
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AM
I can't tell you if your camper had luan on your back wall or not ?. mine did not, and most campers I have seen never showed to have it back there ?. mostly just siding. but these were all old campers ?, maybe newer models do ?, I don't know ?. I would not install in in the back if it were mine. as long as you have studs to attach the siding ?, just do that. as for the rubber roof ?, if its in good shape ?, then re-use it. if it's chalky, pin holes every where ?, well..i can tell you right now, all your hard work your doing is going to be coming right back in no time !. that rubber roof is what keeps the water ( mostly ) out of your camper, that..and  a good tight seal on all your joints, vents. your main problem your facing ?, is getting new glue to stick to that old rubber ?, I don't think it will stick very well ?, but maybe it will ?. if you do re-use it ?, make sure you seal the top vents, everything very well !. as well as the j-rails on the back corners, and you may luck out, and be dry free  ?!. by looking at your end pics ^^^^, you had a ton of water damage coming in from either the roof termination bar ?, or the side j-rails ?, or..worse case, your rubber roof is bad ?.

The rubber appears to be ok as all the leaks had been stopped by someone as everything was dry front and back. I don't know how long it would take for this kind of damage to dry out but it had. The j-rails look like the source for both the front and rear leaks. If someone had paid some attention to keeping these areas sealed it would have saved me a lot of work🙂  I'm using the Seal-Tite product to seal the corners and it looks like it will provide a permanent fix. Thanks for your write up 🙂
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 16, 2017, 04:52:50 AM
tip: make sure you check/re-seal the awning rails on both top sides !. make sure you check the awning lag bolts !. these area's will lead to water run off to each end of your camper, and you will have water damage. you can just re-seal these with no sagging sealant ?, or, pull the awning down, and replace the putty tape under them ?, BE WARNED !!!, that awning is a two or three person job to put back on your camper !! ( been there..done that..lol ). I had a stupid awning install on my camper, and who ever installed the awning lag bolts ?, ran the lag bolts right across the drip rail !!..very dumb !..lol. needless to say, I had to drop the new awning rails I bought about 1 inch, so I could raise the awning top brackets up enough to clear the drip rail, this way, no water would run down to either end, and run straight in through the lag bolts, so far, with all this heavy rain I have had here lately..NO LEAKS SO FAR !. I also noticed on a pic ^^^ from your first post, and seen where your clearance lights were before you removed the back siding ?, and from looking at your back end now, I see a lot of water damage right where some of the lights were ?. make sure to seal your lights up good with some non-sagging sealant as well :-). too bad your so far away ?..I got caught up around here, if ya was a lot closer, I would lend you some help :-). too bad no one is closer from here, and willing to give ya a hand. I deff would if ya was closer :-) I know how your feeling about all this..like I said..i too..was in the same boat as you !!, not once...but twice I had to repair my roof !. I had to gut the whole front inside of my camper to repair it, as well as rebuild all but one roof truss !, I know what your going through..trust me..i really do !!!. it is not the end of the world, yes..it sucks..i know it does !..lol. but..this can be fixed !!!, if I can do it ?, then surely you can too !. and I know dang well, there are others on here, that was in the same boat as you, me were in, or are in ?. if they haven't been were you are now ?..they will be !..lol. hang in there :-).

Yes,yes and yes, there are two types of campers(at least in my price range) one that is leaking and one that will leak. One good thing is I'm learning a lot, I just wish it was not on the job training 🙂
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 17, 2017, 01:36:25 PM
Shouldn't there be insulation here??
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on June 17, 2017, 08:27:18 PM
Shouldn't there be insulation here??
yes, there should be insulation there. side to side, front to back. my guess is, whoever worked on it before you ?, musta felt like not putting it back in. I installed all new pink r-13 in my roof. it's made for walls, as most walls are 3 1/2 thick, so this turned out great for my roof. if I had to guess ?, I would say I got better insulation in my roof now..then when it left the factory !..lol.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 17, 2017, 10:36:51 PM
yes, there should be insulation there. side to side, front to back. my guess is, whoever worked on it before you ?, musta felt like not putting it back in. I installed all new pink r-13 in my roof. it's made for walls, as most walls are 3 1/2 thick, so this turned out great for my roof. if I had to guess ?, I would say I got better insulation in my roof now..then when it left the factory !..lol.

The only thing I can think of it was wet and they took the insulation out,than left the rotten plywood in.If the SOB that sold me the camper did this there is a special place in Hell for him. Do I think he did these "repairs" ? No but he knew the condition of it when he bought it. I'm not good but whoever work on it should not be allowed to reproduce. I did get one corner repaired and part of the other side. I have to be careful not to demo more than I can fix at a time. I'm not good at figuring how things should be. I do understand that the aluminum edges have to meet closely so that's what I focous on. I had to order the roof cement so I'm waiting to replace the bad plywood section.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Punomatic on June 17, 2017, 11:43:18 PM
One would sure think so. I haven't taken the roof apart on any of my RVs except when I changed the skylight in my TC. There was insulation between the roof and the ceiling panels.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on June 18, 2017, 06:02:36 AM
The only thing I can think of it was wet and they took the insulation out,than left the rotten plywood in.If the SOB that sold me the camper did this there is a special place in Hell for him. Do I think he did these "repairs" ? No but he knew the condition of it when he bought it. I'm not good but whoever work on it should not be allowed to reproduce. I did get one corner repaired and part of the other side. I have to be careful not to demo more than I can fix at a time. I'm not good at figuring how things should be. I do understand that the aluminum edges have to meet closely so that's what I focous on. I had to order the roof cement so I'm waiting to replace the bad plywood section.
any chance you happened to look at the front roof when you was working on that part of the camper to see if insulation was in that section ?.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 18, 2017, 09:38:09 AM
any chance you happened to look at the front roof when you was working on that part of the camper to see if insulation was in that section ?.

Nope, the roof was was solid so I did not dig into it. When I peel off the damaged rear section I should be able to look further in and see if there is any there. If there not could the factory just skip that part🤔 It wouldn't surprise me🙂
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on June 18, 2017, 10:11:24 PM
Nope, the roof was was solid so I did not dig into it. When I peel off the damaged rear section I should be able to look further in and see if there is any there. If there not could the factory just skip that part🤔 It wouldn't surprise me🙂
no, they would not skip that part..lol. pretty much every camper built back then, and today, has insulation put in the roof from front to back. kinda cheesy insulation ?, but there is insulation put in the roofs.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 22, 2017, 09:27:42 PM
Having a hard time finding 3/8s OSB???? for the roof. Also was told that the wood has to be wet in order to bend the wood to conform to the roll of the roof???
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on June 22, 2017, 09:42:40 PM
I can't believe that arch requires wet wood to bend.  I  don't have much experience with OSB other then using it  for sheathing. Maybe it won't bend much because of the glue.   I would be looking a 3/8 ply if it measures up. That should bend just fine. Just go to Home Depot.  Most of their wood will already be curved beyond what you need. :D 
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 22, 2017, 10:36:31 PM
I can't believe that arch requires wet wood to bend.  I  don't have much experience with OSB other then using it  for sheathing. Maybe it won't bend much because of the glue.   I would be looking a 3/8 ply if it measures up. That should bend just fine. Just go to Home Depot.  Most of their wood will already be curved beyond what you need. :D

😀 I was just there and you are right, you think plywood would be ok? I read somewhere that it would be more prone to warping???
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: catblaster on June 23, 2017, 06:56:51 AM
Like I mentioned before, have you looked at oiled or tempered masonite?? Plywood would work just fine, my father rebuilt a trailer years ago with plywood. I had masonite sheets left over off a construction job and laid them on the ground to store materials on, they lasted for almost two years.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on June 23, 2017, 08:28:33 AM
😀 I was just there and you are right, you think plywood would be ok? I read somewhere that it would be more prone to warping???

So long as it can be fastened securely and matches I would use plywood.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 23, 2017, 12:02:34 PM
Look what arrived today
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: muskoka guy on June 23, 2017, 04:17:10 PM
We use a product called wiggle wood for carpentry. It will bend over a pretty tight radius. We do a lot of radius stuff. You can buy it with the grain either direction. ie it will bend long way, or side ways. You might have to order it from a lumber store. We get it through our regular lumber supplier. Here is a link to the product. https://www.andersonplywood.com/410/bending-boards-shape-forming-panels/ 
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: muskoka guy on June 23, 2017, 04:25:22 PM
Here is a utube tutorial of someone showing you how bendable plywood works. Good luck.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c30fwtSCvuA
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 23, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
Here is a utube tutorial of someone showing you how bendable plywood works. Good luck.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c30fwtSCvuA

That stuff is cool, I wonder though if it has any strength if your standing on it? 
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 26, 2017, 07:52:30 PM
Coming along, I've reenforced the somewhat damaged truss , redid the top and bottom corners so that there is something to attach the aluminum to. Reframed the hot water tank opening. Still have a lot of adding new studs to reinforce the interior wall. 
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: muskoka guy on June 26, 2017, 09:08:48 PM
Coming along, I've reenforced the somewhat damaged truss , redid the top and bottom corners so that there is something to attach the aluminum to. Reframed the hot water tank opening. Still have a lot of adding new studs to reinforce the interior wall.
We use it to sheet roofs that are on eye brow dormers on fancy houses. Easy to bend over the radius of the roof. We do circular entries and barrel framing with it as well. Any place where we cant bend regular plywood.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: ClickHill on June 28, 2017, 03:18:55 PM
Your persistence and tenacity are admirable!! Its looking good.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on June 28, 2017, 04:03:00 PM
Your persistence and tenacity are admirable!! Its looking good.

Thank you, I think I have over come all the difficult construction, I have the whole thing framed in and  now just reinforcing the wall. Than I will have too tackle the roof, the big thing is that all the aluminum fits back with the proper edge and the hot water tank fits back in its hole Good news is I got the wife out to look for a new mattress for the bed
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on July 02, 2017, 08:17:59 PM
Ok, finshed up the back wall and frame now on to the small section on the roof.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Rene T on July 02, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Ok, finshed up the back wall and frame now on to the small section on the roof.

Pictures look identical except for a little shading on the 1st one.  ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Punomatic on July 02, 2017, 09:28:40 PM
Nicely done. You're almost there! Then you get to go camping. I am sooo impressed with your work.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on July 02, 2017, 09:57:02 PM
Nicely done. You're almost there! Then you get to go camping. I am sooo impressed with your work.

Thank you, still a ways to go but I can see the light at the end of the rot I still got to test fit the hot water tank but it should be fine. I paid close attention to clearances so the aluminum edges go back together with the right gap. Only time will tell how bad I might have screwed up Anyway I have to climb on the roof to repair that and at 64 years old I'm not looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: alan6051964 on July 03, 2017, 10:15:20 AM
Looking great !!!. don't forget to drill holes in your new wall studs in the back for all your light wires :-). other than this ?, I think your doing a wonderful job !. it's not as bad as you thought huh ?. as for the 3/8 osb ?, just use 3/8 plywood, if you use good wood screws for outdoors ?, it should bend, and hold great, don't worry about it bending...it will bend just fine. I used liquid nails on my roof trusses, wood screws, worked great so far. I've had a lot of rain here in Arkansas lately, and no leaks yet ? ( knocks on head )...lol. keep it up, your doing great, saving money, and your learning the in's and out's of campers !.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on July 03, 2017, 11:39:38 AM
Looking great !!!. don't forget to drill holes in your new wall studs in the back for all your light wires :-). other than this ?, I think your doing a wonderful job !. it's not as bad as you thought huh ?. as for the 3/8 osb ?, just use 3/8 plywood, if you use good wood screws for outdoors ?, it should bend, and hold great, don't worry about it bending...it will bend just fine. I used liquid nails on my roof trusses, wood screws, worked great so far. I've had a lot of rain here in Arkansas lately, and no leaks yet ? ( knocks on head )...lol. keep it up, your doing great, saving money, and your learning the in's and out's of campers !.
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I did go with 3/8s plywood and I'm using decking screws. I started with liquid nails and found this glue from LOCTITE that seems much better. If I looked at all that had to be done I don't know if I could have done it. I focused on one small thing at a time and did not dwell on the things that I thought I could not do. When I got to the things I thought were difficult I was able to sort it out. I think I will have less than $500 in material. I got one estimate and he said it would probably exceed $3000 , nether one of us thought it would be as bad as it was so it would have been much more. Having said that could a pro done better? Yes but I feel it is structurally strong. Yes I have learned a lot, I now look at RV ads and many times can ID leaks by just looking at the pictures   
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on July 03, 2017, 12:50:57 PM
Having said that could a pro done better?

Meh unlikely.  Of course time will tell, and I'm sure some RV repair persons are really good, but most are just hacks that charge a lot to deal with someone else's headaches.

I'm glad you decided to deal with this yourself.  You will be far more confident with the repairs, know where you cut a few corners, and be able to deal with other issues down the road.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on July 03, 2017, 07:22:10 PM
Nothing like knowing the guy personally when it goes wrong😁 Got the roof panel on tonight and will glue the roof down tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Gods Country on July 03, 2017, 07:58:55 PM
Errr I would do something about the knot.  I presume you flipped it best side up.  Sanded ply may be a better fit for this purpose.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on July 03, 2017, 10:15:19 PM
Errr I would do something about the knot.  I presume you flipped it best side up.  Sanded ply may be a better fit for this purpose.

Yea I did, considering what OSB looks like I didn't think it would be a problem. I might use some wood puddy to fill the knots. At any rate it is staying
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on July 03, 2017, 10:21:54 PM
Look at this,  the screws were meant to be driven into the plywood to hold something from inside, they missed. This is the kind of hapless construction factories do
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Rene T on July 04, 2017, 07:52:00 AM
Nothing like knowing the guy personally when it goes wrong😁 Got the roof panel on tonight and will glue the roof down tomorrow.

I would also countersink ther screws a little deeper and fill the holes with putty. You don't want them touching the roofing material and eventually breaking through.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on July 04, 2017, 10:32:27 AM
I would also countersink ther screws a little deeper and fill the holes with putty. You don't want them touching the roofing material and eventually breaking through.

Thanks, they may not look it based on the photo but they are deep. Factory did the same on the side that butts up to the next panel but used nails for the rest🤔
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on July 06, 2017, 07:39:44 PM
 Nearing the end🙂 I hope everything fits back together and I can get all the lights to work
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Post by: Rene T on July 06, 2017, 07:48:37 PM
Try the lights now before you put it all back together.
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Post by: Modeladay on July 06, 2017, 08:03:49 PM
Try the lights now before you put it all back together.

Sense the lights are attached to the aluminum I will have to at least temporarily hang the aluminum. Yes I could just meter them out but with so many wires that interconnect I think everything will be needed to be attached to complete circuits.
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Post by: Rene T on July 06, 2017, 09:11:23 PM
The aluminum is only the ground. Just run a temporary ground and test each light.  Or get a test light. If you don't test them somehow and you put everything back together, you're going to kick your butt when you have to take it all apart to fix one light.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/k-tool-international-6-or-12v-circuit-tester-with-48-leads-kti72770/
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Post by: Gods Country on July 06, 2017, 09:21:08 PM
So did the floor turn out to be OK?
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Post by: Modeladay on July 06, 2017, 10:00:04 PM
So did the floor turn out to be OK?

The rear corner under the shower was gone, it amounted to less than a half a square ft. Sense it was under the shower and you would never walk on it I left it as it was. The shower enclosure sits on a wooden raised base which sits on the trailer's steel frame for support so the bad corner was of no concern.
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Post by: Gods Country on July 07, 2017, 08:41:52 AM
I realize it's been a lot of work, but that was some real luck that the floor is OK considering the amount of damage.

Looks like you will be RVing soon! :))
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Post by: Modeladay on July 07, 2017, 10:40:35 AM
I realize it's been a lot of work, but that was some real luck that the floor is OK considering the amount of damage.

Looks like you will be RVing soon! :))

Yea, the roof panel I replaced had far more damage, I think I would have quit if there was extensive floor damage. My goal was the make it structurally sound so everything would tie back together. Its amazing how much damage water can do and as in the front it was the aluminum edge covering that leaked. I hope using the Seal-Tite tape and the Dicor sealant it will keep it dry. The rubber roof never give out it was just the sealants.
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Post by: Gods Country on July 07, 2017, 11:10:56 AM
The first rule with RV/TT maintenance is vigilance.  The smallest amount of water repeatedly soaking the same area will ruin anything real quick.

Now that you are almost there, if you reapply sealant annually or as needed and inspect in the spring and fall you will avoid many of these issues.  Don't forget to keep an eye on everything after you use it a couple times.  Things are going to settle and shift a little.  I keep a few tubes of lap sealant on hand.
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Post by: Modeladay on July 07, 2017, 12:28:02 PM
The first rule with RV/TT maintenance is vigilance.  The smallest amount of water repeatedly soaking the same area will ruin anything real quick.

Now that you are almost there, if you reapply sealant annually or as needed and inspect in the spring and fall you will avoid many of these issues.  Don't forget to keep an eye on everything after you use it a couple times.  Things are going to settle and shift a little.  I keep a few tubes of lap sealant on hand.


I intend to carry an emergency repair kit, just can't figure out how to get on the roof without a ladder🙂
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Post by: prairiegirl on July 08, 2017, 12:26:54 PM
I just read your entire thread.  You are my hero. :)) I hope I never have to face anything close to what you faced. Very nice work.  You really need to go camping soon.   
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Post by: Modeladay on July 08, 2017, 03:42:45 PM
I just read your entire thread.  You are my hero. :)) I hope I never have to face anything close to what you faced. Very nice work.  You really need to go camping soon.

Thank you! It has been a lot of work, a lot of money(in total)  and a lot of heart ache.... mostly because I let myself get burned this bad. I don't know how the guy sleeps at night but that is his problem. I do feel good about what I have accomplished, someone esle would have done better but I found something in me that I didn't know I had ...... a little patience  I did get the clearance lights rewired today so I will have some room to work. It hard because Georgia heat can be relentless and I'm West Virginia boy
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Post by: alan6051964 on July 08, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
outstanding !!. I am impressed !!. wasn't that bad, now was it ?. well done sir..well done !!!.
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Post by: Modeladay on July 08, 2017, 06:08:49 PM
outstanding !!. I am impressed !!. wasn't that bad, now was it ?. well done sir..well done !!!.

Thank you,thank you ,thank you. Sorry it was that bad😁 But I'm close, lots of little things to do though.
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Post by: muskoka guy on July 09, 2017, 07:39:24 PM
Way to go. Keep up the good work. We are all cheering for you. Please post some pics of you and yours camping once you get it complete.
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Post by: Modeladay on July 09, 2017, 09:48:19 PM
Way to go. Keep up the good work. We are all cheering for you. Please post some pics of you and yours camping once you get it complete.

It will be awhile yet but will do🙂
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Post by: Modeladay on July 11, 2017, 07:35:11 PM
Inch by inch, cleaned the old caulking off the roof which was a ton of work. BTW all the clearance lights work 
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Post by: tombillbob on July 11, 2017, 08:48:59 PM
I have been keeping up with your thread.  Great job and way to hang in there! Your last post regarded removing caulk. I just found something to day that really helps. Plastic razor blades! I tried them out on silicon and other hardened caulks. They work great. they won't gouge the aluminum or scrape the paint off the aluminum. There great on glass because they will not scratch it. I wish I had them when I rebuilt our trailer. Their available on Amazon.

Tom
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Post by: Modeladay on July 11, 2017, 09:20:44 PM
I have been keeping up with your thread.  Great job and way to hang in there! Your last post regarded removing caulk. I just found something to day that really helps. Plastic razor blades! I tried them out on silicon and other hardened caulks. They work great. they won't gouge the aluminum or scrape the paint off the aluminum. There great on glass because they will not scratch it. I wish I had them when I rebuilt our trailer. Their available on Amazon.

Tom

Would be great on metal but I'm not sure it would work on the rubber roof. I think the last time someone worked on the roof they used Dicor self leveling caulk, I'm here to tell hhis stuff sticks! I'm using it now to reseal every nook and cranny 🙂 
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Post by: BikerFlex&HappyJen on July 12, 2017, 08:41:15 AM
We too peeled up our old sealant on the roof vents, skylight, etc and went around resealing everything ourselves. Your repairs look great. Hope you and DW get to go camping soon so you can relax and enjoy like you had intended to when you bought it. Now that you will have everything resealed (check around your windows/door too) it will be much easier to maintain each year now that you know when it's been done. You should feel very accomplished at what you've done.
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Post by: Modeladay on July 16, 2017, 09:40:10 PM
A quick update, put in 8 hrs and I got all the aluminum on and the lights work! Repaired the membrane where I had to open it up to replace bad wood and changed a flat tire because the valve tore. Next is the hot water tank, once I'm satisfied that its working and nothing leaks than I will work on the reinstalling the edge molding. Guess what I'll be done 😁 Im going to pull the drums and grease the wheel bearings while I'm at it and the wife will do her clean thing on the inside.
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Post by: jackiemac on July 16, 2017, 11:24:55 PM
Fantastic!! Well done. Presume you have checked grey and frssh tanks not leaking too. ☺
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Post by: Modeladay on July 16, 2017, 11:54:51 PM
Fantastic!! Well done. Presume you have checked grey and frssh tanks not leaking too. ☺

They do not appear to be leaking, I had to move the camper to front of the garage where I have a pad to jack it up to change the flat and do the greasing. I'll be able to hook up the water there  to make sure none of the water pipes are leaking. A preliminary check before I bought showed nothing but  after everything that has happened I don't have much fath in my previous inspection. Being next to the garage will save a lot of back and forth but the down side is I will be in the blasted sun all day and it is supposed to go into the hundreds this week
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Post by: Modeladay on July 17, 2017, 04:39:43 PM
Helper installing the hot water tank...not much help😕
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Post by: Punomatic on July 17, 2017, 07:17:54 PM
About as much help as my doxie mix!  :-\
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Post by: jackiemac on July 18, 2017, 01:03:36 AM
They do not appear to be leaking, I had to move the camper to front of the garage where I have a pad to jack it up to change the flat and do the greasing. I'll be able to hook up the water there  to make sure none of the water pipes are leaking. A preliminary check before I bought showed nothing but  after everything that has happened I don't have much fath in my previous inspection. Being next to the garage will save a lot of back and forth but the down side is I will be in the blasted sun all day and it is supposed to go into the hundreds this week
Hopefully all will be well and you can enjoy the sunshine, I mean air con 😎
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Post by: Modeladay on July 23, 2017, 04:45:13 PM
Final corner closed up tight with Seal-Tite edge tape. Ready for the edge cover. Guess what? Than I'm done😁
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Post by: Punomatic on July 24, 2017, 09:40:04 AM
Congrats! Where are you going for your first outing? If I might make a suggestion, spend a couple of nights "camping" at home. That way, you can run in the house and grab whatever you learn that you forgot to pack. Make a list of those things so you can pick up replacements when you are next on a shopping trip. ENJOY that trailer. You have earned it!!  :D
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Post by: Gods Country on July 24, 2017, 10:13:00 AM
Congrats!  Now go relax! :D
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Post by: gravesdiesel on July 24, 2017, 01:24:35 PM
WOW!  You did a great job on fixing your "lemon".  I just read this whole thread and followed your repairs.  AWESOME job!  It looks perfect!  I went and looked at a camper a while back at that same dealership, although it was a new one.  Ended up buying out of state because they had exactly what I was looking for.  What part of Georgia are you in?  I live just northeast of Athens and have a deeded membership to Mountain Lakes Resort near Cleveland.
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Post by: Modeladay on July 24, 2017, 02:47:09 PM
Congrats! Where are you going for your first outing? If I might make a suggestion, spend a couple of nights "camping" at home. That way, you can run in the house and grab whatever you learn that you forgot to pack. Make a list of those things so you can pick up replacements when you are next on a shopping trip. ENJOY that trailer. You have earned it!!  :D

Thank you, we plan a dry run close to home, I have checked everything to see if it operates as it should. The A/C, fridge on gas and electric, hot water tank on gas and electric and furnace. The water pump work but makes a spraying sound like its blowing water out somewhere ? Its near the pump and I may have to remove the panel hiding it under the bathroom sink, but  I don't see any water. I checked the wheel bearings and they have fresh grease????? but ignoring the leaks????
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Post by: kdbgoat on July 24, 2017, 02:50:10 PM
How does your freshwater system sound when hooked up to city water?
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Post by: Modeladay on July 24, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
Congrats!  No go relax! :D

Really there isn't much time to relaxThat's why it took me as long to fix the camper as it did , I  squeezed it in around all the rest .We have a small farm with horses and there is always something that needs fixed or just regular maintenance, heck I got 3 acres to mow just around the house and all the stuff I have is old. So there is not much rest, but I believe I will be on this earth a little while longer than if I was wasting away on a porch
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Post by: Modeladay on July 24, 2017, 03:01:09 PM
How does your freshwater system sound when hooked up to city water?

That's the first thing I checked, I could not hear or see any leaks . It makes the spraying sound only when the pump is running. Shouldn't it should off automatically  once everything is pressurized?
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Post by: Modeladay on July 24, 2017, 03:04:45 PM
WOW!  You did a great job on fixing your "lemon".  I just read this whole thread and followed your repairs.  AWESOME job!  It looks perfect!  I went and looked at a camper a while back at that same dealership, although it was a new one.  Ended up buying out of state because they had exactly what I was looking for.  What part of Georgia are you in?  I live just northeast of Athens and have a deeded membership to Mountain Lakes Resort near Cleveland.

Thank you, I'm really not that far from you, I live between Washington and Lincolnton, GA. I'm about 6 miles from one entry spot for lake Thurman.
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Post by: Rene T on July 24, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
That's the first thing I checked, I could not hear or see any leaks . It makes the spraying sound only when the pump is running. Shouldn't it should off automatically  once everything is pressurized?

Yes it will shut off when it reaches a preset setting inside the pump.
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Post by: Gods Country on July 24, 2017, 06:08:19 PM
Really there isn't much time to relaxThat's why it took me as long to fix the camper as it did , I  squeezed it in around all the rest .We have a small farm with horses and there is always something that needs fixed or just regular maintenance, heck I got 3 acres to mow just around the house and all the stuff I have is old. So there is not much rest, but I believe I will be on this earth a little while longer than if I was wasting away on a porch

I hear ya.  Just spent the day putting up some hay.
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Post by: Oldgator73 on July 24, 2017, 06:31:36 PM
I watched TV and then went and got ribs and beer. I'm worn out.
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Post by: Modeladay on July 24, 2017, 11:12:21 PM
Yes it will shut off when it reaches a preset setting inside the pump.

It never does 😕
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Post by: Modeladay on July 24, 2017, 11:12:53 PM
I watched TV and then went and got ribs and beer. I'm worn out.
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I feel foy ya😩
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Post by: Rene T on July 25, 2017, 07:25:32 AM
It never does 😕

Then you most likely have a water leak unless the pressure switch in the pump is broken.
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Post by: Howard R on July 25, 2017, 09:27:44 AM
Is the water tank gravity fill only or is there a valve that diverts the city water to fill the tank?  If there is a valve when left in "fill" pump will run continuously with no pressure build up. 

Don't ask how I know that !   ;D ;D

Howard
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Post by: Peggyy on July 25, 2017, 11:18:11 AM
 I have really enjoyed watching your progress through this thread !    I know you were going to have many many hours of happiness camping with your wife     Enjoy every minute of it !
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Post by: Modeladay on July 25, 2017, 11:49:31 AM
Is the water tank gravity fill only or is there a valve that diverts the city water to fill the tank?  If there is a valve when left in "fill" pump will run continuously with no pressure build up. 

Don't ask how I know that !   ;D ;D

Howard

No it has a separate fill cap like a gas tank.
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Post by: Modeladay on July 26, 2017, 09:18:03 PM
The pump turns out to be fine, did not have much water in the tank and it was sucking some air. This is thespraying water sound I heard, I filled the tank and it work as it should  Also I put the final corner cover on and was going to grease the axels but they all had fairly new grease. Go figure it was rotting away yet they greased the axels
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Post by: Gods Country on July 26, 2017, 09:42:50 PM
At some point in the near future you should repack the bearings.  New grease pumped in doesn't mean the grease is good where it counts.
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Post by: Modeladay on July 26, 2017, 10:44:04 PM
At some point in the near future you should repack the bearings.  New grease pumped in doesn't mean the grease is good where it counts.

It looks like it has been repacked, they even supplied new dust covers🙂
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Post by: Gods Country on July 27, 2017, 07:09:38 AM
It looks like it has been repacked, they even supplied new dust covers🙂

Sounds good to me.
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Post by: Meadowlark on August 22, 2017, 06:19:39 PM
I am completely rebuilding Class C over cab bunk.  Can yo tell me, how to modify the exterior front corner trim, to make it wider so that it doesn't leak again.  Thanks!
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Post by: SeilerBird on August 22, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
I am completely rebuilding Class C over cab bunk.  Can yo tell me, how to modify the exterior front corner trim, to make it wider so that it doesn't leak again.  Thanks!
You would be better off starting a new thread rather than piggyback on this one.
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Post by: Modeladay on August 23, 2017, 04:38:38 PM
I can't believe someone is asking me for advice on repairs, some how I've fooled all of you in to thinking that I know what I'm doing😃
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Post by: Punomatic on August 24, 2017, 08:07:26 AM
I can't believe someone is asking me for advice on repairs, some how I've fooled all of you in to thinking that I know what I'm doing😃
The pictures you posted above are worth thousands of words. And as for asking you for advice, well, you are miles ahead of those of us who have not taken on the task that you completed. Give yourself a little credit.
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Post by: kdbgoat on August 24, 2017, 08:21:49 AM
The pictures you posted above are worth thousands of words. And as for asking you for advice, well, you are miles ahead of those of us who have not taken on the task that you completed. Give yourself a little credit.

^X2^ You have done a great deal more than most of us. Give yourself a LOT of credit. You did a fantastic job on your trailer.
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Post by: Modeladay on August 24, 2017, 09:22:54 AM
I wpuld not have even started the repair if it were not for the  support I found here. A lot credit goes to you all😁 Thanks again for helping me through this it has been hard mentally and physically. It still stings they way I got taken but it is on me for being so naive  😞 But I got a lot of exercise and found a lot of new friends here .
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Post by: muskoka guy on August 24, 2017, 06:43:16 PM
Way to go. You will sit around some day and laugh about it. As stated, you are now a big step ahead of someone else in the same situation. Pass along what you have learned. Thats what makes these forums work. We all share what we know, and ask what we dont. Cheers and happy camping.
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Post by: jackiemac on August 30, 2017, 12:35:03 PM
I can't believe someone is asking me for advice on repairs, some how I've fooled all of you in to thinking that I know what I'm doing😃
You're an expert now!
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Post by: Modeladay on September 11, 2017, 09:48:48 PM
Well to add salt to the wound now this, thanks Irma
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Post by: Punomatic on September 12, 2017, 09:07:56 AM
When I saw the thumbnail picture, it looked like there was a giant hole in the side of your trailer. My heart sank. I was relieved when I opened the picture to find it is the awning. That is fixable, and although you have been through so much already, you know you can fix it. I guess this is why people say that our "stuff" owns us...always demanding attention. FWIW, I use our awning very little, because I have have had problems with wind dismantling it. I never go to bed with the awning deployed. You'll get through this repair and find that it is easy compared to what you have already done to your trailer. Godspeed, my friend.
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Post by: kdbgoat on September 12, 2017, 10:00:19 AM
Man.... Covered by insurance?
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Post by: Modeladay on September 12, 2017, 11:18:10 AM
When I saw the thumbnail picture, it looked like there was a giant hole in the side of your trailer. My heart sank. I was relieved when I opened the picture to find it is the awning. That is fixable, and although you have been through so much already, you know you can fix it. I guess this is why people say that our "stuff" owns us...always demanding attention. FWIW, I use our awning very little, because I have have had problems with wind dismantling it. I never go to bed with the awning deployed. You'll get through this repair and find that it is easy compared to what you have already done to your trailer. Godspeed, my friend.

Thanks and you are right, I'm off to the RV place to see about repair parts. I don't have problems compared to a lot of people.
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Post by: Modeladay on September 12, 2017, 11:20:31 AM
Thanks and you are right, I'm off to the RV place to see about repair parts. I don't have problems compared to a lot of people.

$500 deductible  :(
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Post by: kdbgoat on September 12, 2017, 11:50:34 AM
$500 deductible  :(

Bummer.
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Post by: DigitalVI on September 12, 2017, 12:07:34 PM
If the inside is still dry, you are way ahead of the game.  That was a true test of your hard work.
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Post by: Dvan on September 12, 2017, 02:00:49 PM
Well to add salt to the wound now this, thanks Irma

The question is, did it leak? :)
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Post by: Modeladay on September 12, 2017, 04:06:26 PM
The question is, did it leak? :)

Well not that I could tell, problem is I bought it not knowing it was full leaks :) the only way to know if it is leaking again is to buy a moisture meter or wait for it to rot ;D
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on September 12, 2017, 04:13:48 PM
Well I spent another 115.00 in repair parts, one rv place had a complete used arm assembly $55.00. Sense there were no more to be found I had the bottom foot welded back on the arm 60.00 buck plus tax which I thought was high for 15 minutes work :( oh well , now if I can get help threading the canopy back in place. Still have not used it and I can never sell it because my conscience won't let me.
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Post by: catblaster on September 13, 2017, 07:47:54 AM
Well I spent another 115.00 in repair parts, one rv place had a complete used arm assembly $55.00. Sense there were no more to be found I had the bottom foot welded back on the arm 60.00 buck plus tax which I thought was high for 15 minutes work :( oh well , now if I can get help threading the canopy back in place. Still have not used it and I can never sell it because my conscience won't let me.

I get that a lot but I usually wont throw the switch on my welder for less than $60. I have 6K in tools and time spent (5 yrs) apprenticeship...I have seen what cheap welding looks like. If you were close I would have done it for free, just for you!
Glad your damage was not worse and hope you dont find any moisture later. Good job !!
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Post by: Modeladay on September 16, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
TA DAh!
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Post by: kdbgoat on September 16, 2017, 01:19:47 PM
Lookin' good, just like everything else you've done. :))
Have you ever thought of opening an RV repair business? 8)
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Post by: Rene T on September 16, 2017, 02:03:59 PM
Now swap your wheels around so the match.
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Post by: Modeladay on September 16, 2017, 02:40:22 PM
Lookin' good, just like everything else you've done. :))
Have you ever thought of opening an RV repair business? 8)

Thanks, I don't think I want to do that, now I know why the repair guy wanted $3000 to $4000. I wouldn't do it....wait a minute, I did :)
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Post by: Modeladay on September 16, 2017, 02:41:43 PM
Now swap your wheels around so the match.

Now why did you have to do that :'( I didn't notice it until now :)
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Post by: ConductorX on September 28, 2017, 02:37:18 PM
I just read your entire thread.  I am very impressed.  I seem to find people claim they have no experience or skills and then they turn out some beautiful work. 

I just thought I had a daunting task to replace a pair of twin beds with a single full size bed.  My hat is off to you!

"CX"
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Post by: Modeladay on September 29, 2017, 09:53:01 PM
I just read your entire thread.  I am very impressed.  I seem to find people claim they have no experience or skills and then they turn out some beautiful work. 

I just thought I had a daunting task to replace a pair of twin beds with a single full size bed.  My hat is off to you!

"CX"

Thank you!
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Post by: ClickHill on October 03, 2017, 06:14:49 PM
So glad you got her fixed again and the damaged wasn't too bad.  I actually laughed out loud when I read the comment on your mix matched wheels.  I went back and looked, they didn't start out that way and here I was so impressed with your work and attention to detail. - Haha I have no doubt you have already switched them back for matching sides.   :)
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Post by: Modeladay on October 04, 2017, 11:49:16 PM
So glad you got her fixed again and the damaged wasn't too bad.  I actually laughed out loud when I read the comment on your mix matched wheels.  I went back and looked, they didn't start out that way and here I was so impressed with your work and attention to detail. - Haha I have no doubt you have already switched them back for matching sides.   :)

Actually no😁 the tire that was on there went flat while I was working on it. The valves rubber seal had torn??? I put the spare on and never notice the difference in the wheels. I was going to replace the bad valve and use this tire as the spare because it is worn. Now because someone had to raise the point about different wheels I may have to rethink that idea😡 On a brighter note after 5 months sense purchase we are going on our first trip... to the beach!
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Post by: Rene T on October 05, 2017, 05:58:46 AM
Now because someone had to raise the point about different wheels I may have to rethink that idea😡 On a brighter note after 5 months sense purchase we are going on our first trip... to the beach!
Sorry.  :-X :'(
Hope you have a good time at the beach. Enjoy. 
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Post by: Modeladay on October 06, 2017, 11:51:19 AM
Sorry.  :-X :'(
Hope you have a good time at the beach. Enjoy.

I was just pulling your chain🙂 I will enjoy despite the wheels😃
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on October 29, 2017, 11:15:07 PM
I thought I would finsh this thread up by saying we just spent a week at the beach. We made it back in one piece, as far as I can tell nothing fell off, collapsed or caved in😁
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Post by: Oldgator73 on October 30, 2017, 06:57:50 AM
I thought I would finsh this thread up by saying we just spent a week at the beach. We made it back in one piece, as far as I can tell nothing fell off, collapsed or caved in😁

You are speaking of the trailer I assume. Every time we go camping something falls off, caves in or collapses on me not our RV.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: kdbgoat on October 30, 2017, 07:46:20 AM
I'm happy for you. That just shows how well you did making repairs. That lemonade is getting sweeter now huh?  8)
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Post by: Punomatic on October 30, 2017, 08:26:51 AM
I had complete confidence you would make such a report after your first trip. Your efforts have paid off, and while you would have chosen not to have to make them, you now know more about your trailer than the vast majority of us. I should think that would give you great peace of mind. Congrats! I hope you have many pleasurable days camping in your trailer.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on October 30, 2017, 10:46:50 PM
I had complete confidence you would make such a report after your first trip. Your efforts have paid off, and while you would have chosen not to have to make them, you now know more about your trailer than the vast majority of us. I should think that would give you great peace of mind. Congrats! I hope you have many pleasurable days camping in your trailer.

Thanks, it was a long hot summer, I guess the camper will last as long as me anyway. Just got to keep an eye on that roof🙂 BTW we also have a 2014 Titan SL😁
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: HueyPilotVN on October 30, 2017, 11:24:38 PM
I read your entire story and I want to add my congratulation for doing a great job and hanging in there with patience and perseverance.

I hope you use it in good health and often.

Back in the 90s i lived near Stone Mountain for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Sour lemonade
Post by: Modeladay on October 31, 2017, 05:48:52 AM
I read your entire story and I want to add my congratulation for doing a great job and hanging in there with patience and perseverance.

I hope you use it in good health and often.

Back in the 90s i lived near Stone Mountain for a couple of years.

Thank you, I do hope it is an inspiration and warning to others🙂 We live sbout 140 mile east of there, we are originally from WV, I miss it everyday.