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Title: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 02, 2017, 10:17:13 PM
Hey All

I'm a newbie to RVing. Actually if I say newbie it implies ive actually done it which I haven't so I don't know what you'd call me. Probably a jerk. LOL. Anyway, I was loaned a Class B Airstream Sprinter and since that day I've dreamt of owning my own RV. I can by no means purchase what I was loaned. My budget is 10K. I've seen some older RVs Class A and C around my budget. I met a guy who specializes in repairing RVs for a wholesale so I think I have the right guy to inspect one.  I've been searching and have seen some real turds. One woman said her rv was mint when I went to look at it. All the roof seams were split and water damage everywhere.

Alittle about myself. It's my wife, my twin almost 4 yr olds and I. So a family of 4. The way I plan to use the rv is for long road trips possibly sleeping in it once in a blue moon, if driving far and I'm trying to make good time, or just makes sense to sleep in it for a night or 2. But most likely sleeping in hotels. I like to entertain so seating is important more than a actual bed.

Am I being unrealistic that I can find what I want or close to it for 10K? Does a 10K motorhome exist? I'd love all your feedback and ideas. May e turning a bed area into a couch and seating area? Is that possible? Does that put me out of my budget? That sort of thing.

Thanks and I hope to be a newbie soon.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Sun2Retire on September 02, 2017, 10:27:01 PM
Have a look at this site:


http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/


Should give you a feel for what's out there.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: cgmartin on September 02, 2017, 10:32:21 PM
Just my personal opinion, but the older the motorhome and the lower the cost, the shorter the road trips should be. With some exceptions for well kept motorhomes, the older homes just are not made for, and will generally not last those long trips. There are exceptions of course, but as you have already found out, some of those motorhomes are not as pretty and in as good condition as the owners would have you believe, and would be better as stationary abodes.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 02, 2017, 10:56:44 PM
It's funny there really are all different types of uses for these things and not necessarily used for what they designed. There's an ad in craigslist for a class c with its wheels removed and used as a house.

These older ones, some have low miles. I drove one today a 95 with 38K miles. Winnebago warrior. The reason I wasn't crazy about it. No tv hookups anywhere or place for a tv. I know sounds petty but like I said I have never rv'ed.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 03, 2017, 01:05:28 AM
Have a look at this site:


http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/


Should give you a feel for what's out there.

My new favorite sale site. They had a 24 footer that the sale is pending I'm Doring to know what it sold for. That's exactly what I want.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SeilerBird on September 03, 2017, 04:23:35 AM
I have owned several RVs that cost well under $10k and then lived in them for a few years. It is possible however there are a few problems. It takes me four to six months of shopping before actually finding a unit to buy. Most RVs are massively overpriced due to people not understanding how to use NADA. They add in all the options and come up with an obscene price. You do not add in the options to determine the final price on NADA.

Second, you will need at least the purchase price right after you buy it to make it usable. They always need tires and a roof reseal at that price, and that is without exception. Those two items alone will cost in the thousands of dollars. If you try and circumvent this rule it will cost you a lot more. Count on a $10k RV really costing you $20K.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: QZ on September 03, 2017, 07:06:08 AM
It sounds backwards to me. If you are going to sleep in motels often and seating is more important than a bed it sounds like you need a mini van or perhaps a regular van or even a car that gets 2 to 3 times the mpg and far easier to maintain than an RV. I just woke up so maybe I'm missing something.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: QZ on September 03, 2017, 07:14:11 AM
My new favorite sale site. They had a 24 footer that the sale is pending I'm Doring to know what it sold for. That's exactly what I want.

I have been to PPL many times. DO NOT get too excited until you go there and inspect closely. I didn't shop MH but did have a hard time finding anything NOT water damaged. I'm not saying everything is bad but inspect closely and use that knowledgeable person that you know.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SeilerBird on September 03, 2017, 07:30:03 AM
If you are shopping in the under $10k market it is not a question of does it have water damage, the question is how much water damage it has.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: JSplaine on September 03, 2017, 08:36:57 AM
With only 10K to work with I doubt all you will find is something that needs to be repaired (maybe frequently). If you have a pickup start looking at campers. If you don't have a truck, trade in the second car for a crew cab, with the seating you wanted for long road trips, and put a good condition camper. That is how we started RV'ing when the kids were young.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Isaac-1 on September 03, 2017, 09:21:40 AM
Simply put, I don't see you finding what you are after on your current budget.  There are functional $10,000 motorhomes out there, but it takes a lot of shopping to find one, and they are usually from private sellers wanting to make a quick sale.  While it may seem strange they also tend to be Class A's, and sometimes Class C's.  Smaller Class B camper van style RV's seem to actually retain their value more than any other type, which makes your search that much more difficult, perhaps this is due to the fact that they can somewhat be used as daily driver vehicles, something that few people would try to do with a 30+ ft long Class A.  Also even if you do find one in fair condition, you should expect to budget for ongoing maintenance, as well as any deferred maintenance items.  I bought a 15 year old class A with 75,000 miles on it last year for $20,000, and in preparation to take it on a 4,000+ mile trip this summer I ended up spending over $5,500 on maintenance and upgrades, about half (maybe 2/3) of which were things I could have put off a little longer.  This included everything from new shocks to a $700 dash air conditioner repair, as well as new spark plugs and having all the fluids changed, most of the work I did myself.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Pugapooh on September 03, 2017, 12:25:09 PM
Who and where do you plan to entertain?  Sorry, just trying to understand why you want an RV if you don't want to camp or sleep in it.  Maybe a conversion van makes more sense?
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 11:18:18 AM
Who and where do you plan to entertain?  Sorry, just trying to understand why you want an RV if you don't want to camp or sleep in it.  Maybe a conversion van makes more sense?

By entertain I mean having maybe another couple and their children join us for a drive. Or maybe park at kids games and use it as the cooling off point and t make snacks and have drinks. The lazydaze 24 seems to be exactly what I'm looking for as afar what I'd want from the interior layout. I'm not opposed to a class A but would want it no larger than 25 feet
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 11:20:57 AM
Simply put, I don't see you finding what you are after on your current budget.  There are functional $10,000 motorhomes out there, but it takes a lot of shopping to find one, and they are usually from private sellers wanting to make a quick sale.  While it may seem strange they also tend to be Class A's, and sometimes Class C's.  Smaller Class B camper van style RV's seem to actually retain their value more than any other type, which makes your search that much more difficult, perhaps this is due to the fact that they can somewhat be used as daily driver vehicles, something that few people would try to do with a 30+ ft long Class A.  Also even if you do find one in fair condition, you should expect to budget for ongoing maintenance, as well as any deferred maintenance items.  I bought a 15 year old class A with 75,000 miles on it last year for $20,000, and in preparation to take it on a 4,000+ mile trip this summer I ended up spending over $5,500 on maintenance and upgrades, about half (maybe 2/3) of which were things I could have put off a little longer.  This included everything from new shocks to a $700 dash air conditioner repair, as well as new spark plugs and having all the fluids changed, most of the work I did myself.

This is kind of what I figured. So I'm really thinking closer to 15K because I'll want to do my own touches to it. Like hard floors instead of carpet.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 11:24:19 AM
I have been to PPL many times. DO NOT get too excited until you go there and inspect closely. I didn't shop MH but did have a hard time finding anything NOT water damaged. I'm not saying everything is bad but inspect closely and use that knowledgeable person that you know.
Good to know and I don't think I'll want anything from Texas for awhile. I like the $500 deposit thing they have for out of towners. Ugh thinking this RV dream might not happen.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 11:28:17 AM
It sounds backwards to me. If you are going to sleep in motels often and seating is more important than a bed it sounds like you need a mini van or perhaps a regular van or even a car that gets 2 to 3 times the mpg and far easier to maintain than an RV. I just woke up so maybe I'm missing something.

I already own a minivan with 2 monitors. The bathroom, kitchen and seating for many is what did it for me.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 12:32:40 PM
Would you folks mind if I post a couple of local craigslist adds and give me your opinions and thoughts?
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SeilerBird on September 04, 2017, 12:41:09 PM
Would you folks mind if I post a couple of local craigslist adds and give me your opinions and thoughts?
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Tony, the only reason online forums exist is to ask and answer questions. That is the sole reason we are here. Feel free to post as many ads as you wish. :)
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Lou Schneider on September 04, 2017, 12:54:10 PM
It's possible, but the search will take time and effort.   Don't jump at the first one you find.

Here's an example I found on Craigslist in Southern California three years ago.  It's my current motorhome, and while it's too small for a family of four it's an example of what you can find if you look long enough.  Since then I've put another 24k miles on it, and the total maintenance has been to give it a tune-up, replace the house battery, and last week align the front end after replacing the front tires.  I'm currently in the middle of an open ended trip through Colorado and New Mexico - so far 3 weeks and counting!

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,74857.msg680693.html#msg680693 (http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,74857.msg680693.html#msg680693)
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 12:54:18 PM
Would you folks mind if I post a couple of local craigslist adds and give me your opinions and thoughts?
Tony, the only reason online forums exist is to ask and answer questions. That is the sole reason we are here. Feel free to post as many ads as you wish. :)

Thanks here you go! Hahah. And what price I should pay or if it's a good deal.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/rvs/d/2003-four-winds-4000-class-rv/6286722903.html (https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/rvs/d/2003-four-winds-4000-class-rv/6286722903.html)

Edit: Fixed quote tag. -LS
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 01:00:28 PM
It's possible, but the search will take time and effort.   Don't jump at the first one you find.

Here's an example I found on Craigslist three years ago.  It's my current motorhome, and while it's too small for a family of four it's an example of what you can find if you look long enough.  Since then I've put another 24k miles on it, and the total maintenance has been to give it a tune-up, replace the house battery, and last week align the front end after replacing the front tires.  I'm currently in the middle of an open ended trip through Colorado and New Mexico - so far 3 weeks and counting!

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,74857.msg680693.html#msg680693 (http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,74857.msg680693.html#msg680693)

So there is hope. LOl
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 01:30:24 PM
omg I think I found it.

Please comment folks: https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvs/d/21-class-fleetwood-tioga/6279907360.html
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SeilerBird on September 04, 2017, 01:41:57 PM
The 2003 Four Winds looks real good. The price is in line. However that is a really small RV. Go live in your bathroom for a week to find out how small it really is, or go rent one for a weekend. The only downside to this RV despite the fact it is a C, would be making the bed. If you go see it ask them to make the bed.

http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/2003/Four-Winds/M-21RB-C6-0/3011606/Values

The 21 footer is way too small unless you are a midget and travel alone. And it is massively overpriced.

http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/1995/Tioga/M-C-Ford-351/3032418/Values

For four people you should not consider anything under 35 foot. I lived alone in a 32 foot class A for five years and it was way too small. I recently upgraded to a much larger fifth wheel.

Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 01:50:21 PM
The 2003 Four Winds looks real good. The price is in line. However that is a really small RV. Go live in your bathroom for a week to find out how small it really is, or go rent one for a weekend. The only downside to this RV despite the fact it is a C, would be making the bed. If you go see it ask them to make the bed.

http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/2003/Four-Winds/M-21RB-C6-0/3011606/Values

The 21 footer is way too small unless you are a midget and travel alone. And it is massively overpriced.

http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/1995/Tioga/M-C-Ford-351/3032418/Values



Thank you. I don't ever plan on living in it. Think of its use as a really big mini van. The NADA bummed me out. But better to know now. Haha
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 02:09:46 PM
Is it difficult to convert those corner beds in the 24 foot and smaller Eva into sectionals, sofas, seating?..
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Lou Schneider on September 04, 2017, 02:25:54 PM
It depends on what's underneath them.  Often the makers will hide water tanks, outside storage, etc. in that large space.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SeilerBird on September 04, 2017, 02:32:23 PM
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Thank you. I don't ever plan on living in it. Think of its use as a really big mini van. The NADA bummed me out. But better to know now.
It doesn't matter if you are living in it or using it only a few times a year on weekends it still way too small for a family of four. Your kids are small and they will only get larger. Each person brings a bunch of stuff with them. Cs have very little storage. They also have very small holding tank so you would be dumping frequently. You really need to rent a small RV for a weekend and try it out.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 02:44:23 PM

What's your opinion as far as size on a class b airstream lounge ext? 24.5 See that was just right size wise. Are class c's in 24 smaller?
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 02:45:07 PM

By the way All You Folks Are Awesome!!!
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SeilerBird on September 04, 2017, 02:53:56 PM
What's your opinion as far as size on a class b airstream lounge ext? 24.5 See that was just right size wise. Are class c's in 24 smaller?
A class C would be larger than a class B but both are way too small for that many people.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 03:13:09 PM

At the Long Beach Grand Prix we had 6 adults and 5 children in a Class B listening to music, snacking drinking beers, kids watching movie in the back portion, and we managed. Not arguing with you just saying we made due and we were all comfortable-ish. We were parked. I can imagine if we set out an awning and seating we would have really been comfortable. I will want an air conditioner on steroids. Hahaha
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 04:14:10 PM

So what's fair price for this? Let's say it is in "great" shape and it seems to be have been very well cared for and documented. ? NADA avg retail $5,500. This seems like it's got me written all over it.

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvs/d/21-class-fleetwood-tioga/6279907360.html
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SeilerBird on September 04, 2017, 04:34:33 PM
So what's fair price for this? Let's say it is in "great" shape and it seems to be have been very well cared for and documented. ? NADA avg retail $5,500. This seems like it's got me written all over it.

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvs/d/21-class-fleetwood-tioga/6279907360.html
Six years ago I paid $6200 for a 33 foot Damon Challenger class A in great condition. All the RVs on the Internet look great. Wait till you see it in person before making any judgment on condition. How do you come to the conclusion that NADA is $5,500? Looks like $4100 to me.

http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/1995/Tioga/M-C-Ford-460/3032417/Values
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 04:37:30 PM

I inputted all the accessories and extras that you can through NADA to get a more accurate price. Such as 4K generator, Heater, Roof AC etc etc. In the ad it says what it all has.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SeilerBird on September 04, 2017, 04:41:54 PM
I inputted all the accessories and extras that you can through NADA to get a more accurate price. Such as 4K generator, Heater, Roof AC etc etc. In the ad it says what it all has.
That is not the proper way to use NADA. What you missed is the disclaimer found on every page on the site that lists options:

Option note: Only select options below that are in addition to standard equipment and equipment noted in the manufacturer or year notes show above. If you are uncertain of what came standard, please contact your manufacturer with your VIN.

Everything on that unit is standard equipment. This blunder is the main reason most used RVs are priced way too high.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SargeW on September 04, 2017, 04:44:51 PM
Nada also says not to add in the features that will normally be standard in a base unit. That includes heater, 1 A/C, refer, all the kitchen stuff ect.  The gen may or may not be considered standard on that unit.

^^^Yup, what Tom said^^^
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Pugapooh on September 04, 2017, 05:07:16 PM
One thing to consider are seat belts/car seats for each person.  I "get" wanting something to take to the sporting events,esp. not having to use portapotties.  Even on the road,bathrooms can be nasty. 

It may take some time to find the right rig.  Good luck.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Isaac-1 on September 04, 2017, 05:19:56 PM
Personally I don't believe in getting too hung up on NADA, You can spend months shopping in the NADA value range to just find one money pit after another.  To me a well cared for, well maintained RV with an asking price far above NADA can easily be worth the money.

As to what fits your needs, you need to look at each unit in person, think how you will use it, is there enough seating, with most Class B's and C's the front 2 seats are useless when parked, on a few they swivel and can be functional to a degree in the living space vs class A's where the swiveling front seats are generally in integral part of the social seating plan with full height ceiling above them.

Personally my cut off points are nothing built before 1996 (the introduction year for the OBD-II diagnostic port, and shortly after the mandating of R134a refrigerant for vehicles), preferably something built after 98-01 depending on Ford vs Chevy chassis (I think 98 was the introduction year for the Ford 6.8L V-10, and 01 was the introduction of the Chevy 8.1L V8).

As to length a standard full size parking space like those found in big box store parking lots are 9x22 ft, anything up to about 24 or 25 feet will fit in one without too much overhang.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 04, 2017, 11:54:40 PM
Ahhhh, thank you guys on the NADA thing.. Man you guys rock.

Just heard from the 21 footer. He has a Deal pending and he's waiting to hear back.  :(

The 24footer said if I'm really interested he'd take 11,500. Damn that 21if it was I the shape the guy said and I could pay 5 to 6K for it I would have been in heaven. Of course if it al checked out and he would take 6K. 
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: wae on September 05, 2017, 07:52:18 AM
I was able to find a class A in good condition for well within your budget but it took a lot of shopping over a long period of time.  And while I did need to put a little cash into it, it had been measured in hundreds of dollars, not thousands.  The appliances worked (except for one of the AC units on the roof), there was very minimal water intrusion which didn't really do any major damage and was easy and cheap to seal up, and it had basically brand new tires (yes, according to the date codes).  Shop in the fall or winter when people don't have dreams of taking the RV out the next weekend and it's just a maintenance burden to them with no buyers hanging around.  Be prepared to cast a wide net and travel - I went a few hundred miles to Mississippi and back to look at a real turd and happily came home empty-handed. 

One thing you might want to consider, though, is that if you're planning to take road trips but stay in hotels, you might be better suited to a Mercedes GL, a Tahoe, or a Pilot.  A class A or C will eat you alive in fuel, be inconvenient to take places, and be expensive to maintain.  The value, if you can call it that, is in being able to jump in, stop at the grocery store, and then show up at a campground ready to relax.  And if you need to stop along the way, you can just stop and have all the comforts of home.  There are a lot of compromises made in the motor part of the equation to make the home part possible.

Now if you can get a B you might be where you want.  Those hold value a lot more, though because they swing the compromise more towards the van part of the equation.  Easier to drive, cheaper to maintain, easier to park, but way more cramped.  If you can swing one built on the Sprinter chassis with the OM642, you'll even get pretty good fuel mileage.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: B737doc on September 05, 2017, 09:40:04 PM
I purchased my motorhome, a1992 Challenger by Damon 30 footer for $6,500.   My credit Union was eager to help, as the NADA value on it was $11,400 if I remember right.  We've owned her 3 weeks now, took her out for 3 nights at a local COE site,   Everything works great, and I wouldn't take less than $15k for it now! 
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 06, 2017, 12:45:48 AM
That's a great story. I want to buy so,etching for a fair price in my range and then be super happy I did it. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 06, 2017, 09:40:44 PM

If any of you folks see a good buy online. Please send my way.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 07, 2017, 03:22:17 AM
Here is another beauty right in my wheelhouse:

https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/rvs/d/2001-jamboree-class-23ft-with/6293460969.html

BUT NADA says average retail $7800.00 but the guys asking $17900. Seems like NADA is out of touch or am I crazy? The 21 foot RV Sold for 9K more than double what NADA said. This damn saga!
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SeilerBird on September 07, 2017, 05:53:23 AM
That one looks really nice. How did you come up with $7800? I came up with more than double that;

http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/2001/Jamboree/M-23E-Ford-6-8-Liter/3018355/Values
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Isaac-1 on September 07, 2017, 09:11:23 AM
Keep in mind that asking and selling prices can often differ by 20-30% or more.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 07, 2017, 03:53:33 PM
That one looks really nice. How did you come up with $7800? I came up with more than double that;

http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/2001/Jamboree/M-23E-Ford-6-8-Liter/3018355/Values


Okay I am giving up on how to use NADA.. I thought I was not supposed to input any features. everything is standard. And I NADA lesson, LOL..
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 07, 2017, 04:06:14 PM

What do you guys think of this?

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvs/d/1997-chevrolet-allegro/6293515522.html
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Isaac-1 on September 07, 2017, 11:49:44 PM
I would say it may be worth looking at in person, as low res photos can hide all sorts of issues.  I am not sure about seating / sleeping space with the kids.  There was a very similar Tiffin Allegro for sale a couple of miles from here a couple of months ago with an asking price of about $5,600 (I think 1 year newer, maybe the same layout or very similar, maybe slightly more faded).

p.s. I think the model there is a Tiffin Allegro M25 which were made with either queen bed or split twins in the back, not shown in the photos, google Tiffin M25 for similar examples.

Also note these had entry level build quality (plastic vs fiberglass shower stalls, laminate cabinet work, etc.)
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: 99dart on September 08, 2017, 01:11:41 AM
The way I plan to use the rv is for long road trips possibly sleeping in it once in a blue moon, if driving far and I'm trying to make good time, or just makes sense to sleep in it for a night or 2. But most likely sleeping in hotels. I like to entertain so seating is important more than a actual bed

I guess I don't get the reason for even having an RV if you will spend most of your nights in a Hotel... Why?  If you are set on a MH, look for something 26- 30' long for your family. Look at maintainence records and a new enough model that it has an overdrive transmision. A 3 spd auto will totally ruin any hopes of acceptable fuel economy. Also, stay new enough that the MH has a fuel injected engine, not a carburetor.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 08, 2017, 10:20:47 PM
Think of it as it's all about the journey not the destination. I love the idea of my kids and I cracking jokes, playing board games doing whatever while on our way somewhere. A driving adventure. I'm really liking 25 foot Class As.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: fman on September 10, 2017, 09:15:13 PM
I have owned several RVs that cost well under $10k and then lived in them for a few years. It is possible however there are a few problems. It takes me four to six months of shopping before actually finding a unit to buy. Most RVs are massively overpriced due to people not understanding how to use NADA. They add in all the options and come up with an obscene price. You do not add in the options to determine the final price on NADA.

Second, you will need at least the purchase price right after you buy it to make it usable. They always need tires and a roof reseal at that price, and that is without exception. Those two items alone will cost in the thousands of dollars. If you try and circumvent this rule it will cost you a lot more. Count on a $10k RV really costing you $20K.
Spot on about the options. I love watching Big RV on tv seeing weekend users asking for a washer and dryer or a dishwasher. Makes me think that  after 2 trips they will be upset for the money they shelled out for those items. Paper plates and extra clothes. When I go on a weekend trip (fri, sat, sun) I shower twice. Once when I'm done driving and once before I leave. I think some people just want these extra things to show off to friends. A few weeks back I almost dropped $300 for a razyor automatic until I realized we watch tv for about 1 hour each night or we just watch a dvd. Why would I need something like that? The more time I spend in my RV the more time I realize that downsizing is not a bad idea. I look around my basement, garage, house and I think we don't need 70% of this junk. But wife wont let me toss it.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SargeW on September 10, 2017, 09:35:28 PM
I think some people just want these extra things to show off to friends.

While that may be true for some, I find that just the opposite is true. I see rigs of every shape and size in the places that I stay. Each owner outfits their rig with all the stuff that makes it suit their style of living.  And that's the beauty of it. Each owner gets to make that decision for themselves.  For me, I am not on a weekend trip or on vacation. I live in the rig 24/7.  Most everything I own is right here with me. I carry everything I need to make our existence comfortable and satisfying.  I don't much care what the neighbors think!
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Larry N. on September 11, 2017, 07:30:07 AM
 
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Makes me think that  after 2 trips they will be upset for the money they shelled out for those items. Paper plates and extra clothes. When I go on a weekend trip (fri, sat, sun) I shower twice. Once when I'm done driving and once before I leave. I think some people just want these extra things to show off to friends.

Then you think wrong. Not everyone uses an RV the way you do. And I know a number of folks with a lot of these goodies, none of whom are in the "show-off" category, many living full time in the rig, and many more who spend weeks to months in the RV.  A washer and dryer, for example, are very practical items in an RV, for those who don't want to spend time in laundromats, and DW loves ours. Of course you normally need hookups for the water usage and/or the generator running for the electric, but not everyone boondocks all the time.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: fman on September 11, 2017, 08:00:07 AM

Then you think wrong. Not everyone uses an RV the way you do. And I know a number of folks with a lot of these goodies, none of whom are in the "show-off" category, many living full time in the rig, and many more who spend weeks to months in the RV.  A washer and dryer, for example, are very practical items in an RV, for those who don't want to spend time in laundromats, and DW loves ours. Of course you normally need hookups for the water usage and/or the generator running for the electric, but not everyone boondocks all the time.
and i guess you did not read my post when i stated they purchased for weekend trips. I was not talking about fulltimers.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Larry N. on September 11, 2017, 09:43:56 AM
I guess I did miss "weekend users", but I suppose that "When I go on a weekend trip (fri, sat, sun)" must have overshadowed it in my mind. OK, it wasn't clear to me that you were only speaking of "weekend users." And since I know nothing about that TV show...
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: GeorgeandTheBear on September 11, 2017, 11:55:04 AM
Where do I find the "Big RV" show? I did a smart search on my Directv and came up empty.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 11, 2017, 06:17:01 PM
Personally I don't believe in getting too hung up on NADA, You can spend months shopping in the NADA value range to just find one money pit after another.  To me a well cared for, well maintained RV with an asking price far above NADA can easily be worth the money.

As to what fits your needs, you need to look at each unit in person, think how you will use it, is there enough seating, with most Class B's and C's the front 2 seats are useless when parked, on a few they swivel and can be functional to a degree in the living space vs class A's where the swiveling front seats are generally in integral part of the social seating plan with full height ceiling above them.

Personally my cut off points are nothing built before 1996 (the introduction year for the OBD-II diagnostic port, and shortly after the mandating of R134a refrigerant for vehicles), preferably something built after 98-01 depending on Ford vs Chevy chassis (I think 98 was the introduction year for the Ford 6.8L V-10, and 01 was the introduction of the Chevy 8.1L V8).

As to length a standard full size parking space like those found in big box store parking lots are 9x22 ft, anything up to about 24 or 25 feet will fit in one without too much overhang.

Isaac, thanks great info.. I'm keeping this in mind.. The diagnostic port, thats for the class a's aswell, right?
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Isaac-1 on September 11, 2017, 07:08:22 PM
Yes, the OBD-II port was mandated for all gasoline engine vehicles in the US starting with chassis built in 96.  One does have to be careful with motorhome as you may find a 96 or possibly even a 97 model built on a chassis that was built in 95.   As the RV manufacturers buy chassis in bulk, and they may sit for months before a production run of a specific coach is made.  It is rare but not unheard of for this to span 2 model years.

p.s. to give you an idea about squeezing into parking spaces here is my 28 ft (29.5 bumper to bumper) class A Safari Trek backed in over the curb in a standard sized parking space, this was at a museum in Kansas, space may have been slightly smaller than one would find at a big box store.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 11, 2017, 07:38:42 PM
Isaac, thanks for the info.. Thats a sweet ride. I want something like that but in a 25-ish..
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Isaac-1 on September 11, 2017, 09:06:06 PM
When I started shopping I was strongly considering the 26 ft version of the Trek instead of the 28 ft I ended up buying (26'10 with 156 inch wheel base vs 29'5" with 178 inch wheel base of mine).  However in the end I opted for the 28 ft model mostly due to the increased cargo carrying capacity (a bit over 2,000 pounds with full water, fuel and propane tanks, vs just over 1,000 on the 26 ft model), as well as a surprising increase in living space that just a few more inches bring.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: fman on September 11, 2017, 09:32:59 PM
Where do I find the "Big RV" show? I did a smart search on my Directv and came up empty.
http://www.travelchannel.com/shows/big-time-rv

https://www.directv.com/tv/Big-Time-RV-cE9zS1o5S0JlOHFGby9GckxSaXJvUT09/Episode-czdtZ1pNQnVXelUrd0dCOFNqdHZoZz09

Maybe not in your area? I have fios. But it's on the travel channel.

It's ok to pass the time from all the other garbage on the tube these days. Lots of nice coaches and travel trailers to look at. I figure most of it is staged. The people only look at 3 RV's or so. For me personally it's nice because I can compare what I bought used to what's on the market today and feel like I did not get ripped off.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 14, 2017, 04:39:18 PM
Everyone wish me luck. Working on a deal.. If it happens I owe a lot to Isaac... Impatiently waiting.. ahah
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Kevin Means on September 14, 2017, 06:53:02 PM
Good luck Tony. Post some pictures if you end up buying it.

Kev
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: decaturbob on September 16, 2017, 11:46:21 AM
Have a look at this site:


http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/


Should give you a feel for what's out there.

if you have budget issues, buying an old RV will cost you money for all the age-related and use-related failures, repairs and maintenance.  If you can work on engines and handle home repairs then you might survive the ongoing cost.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 19, 2017, 04:04:01 PM
if you have budget issues, buying an old RV will cost you money for all the age-related and use-related failures, repairs and maintenance.  If you can work on engines and handle home repairs then you might survive the ongoing cost.

The budget is to allow for those issues. I could buy a newer and/or spend more money on a RV, and have the same issues. I want to take the smallest hit possible if I end up finding out this RV thing is not anything I want to be a part of.

Funny, today I went to Coast RV Center in Agoura Hills. They had a Brand New 2016 40 foot Class A whose Black water and Grey water tank literally fell out of the RV. The Owner purchased it a month ago. Its covered under warranty but sheesh what an inconvenience, and how disheartening. Give me used!!!!
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Isaac-1 on September 19, 2017, 04:23:11 PM
You have to love that quality that goes into new coaches these days.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 19, 2017, 05:46:57 PM
You have to love that quality that goes into new coaches these days.

I'm an idiot I should have taken a picture. I will try and stop by and take one to show everyone its on my way home.. This was a nice coach too. I hope they didnt move it. 200K+ easy..
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Mile High on September 20, 2017, 05:57:08 PM
The budget is to allow for those issues. I could buy a newer and/or spend more money on a RV, and have the same issues. I want to take the smallest hit possible if I end up finding out this RV thing is not anything I want to be a part of.

Funny, today I went to Coast RV Center in Agoura Hills. They had a Brand New 2016 40 foot Class A whose Black water and Grey water tank literally fell out of the RV. The Owner purchased it a month ago. Its covered under warranty but sheesh what an inconvenience, and how disheartening. Give me used!!!!
hmm, didnt know rhat was possible on a class A.  My tanks are up under the floor.  They would have to fall through the basement floor.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: AStravelers on September 26, 2017, 05:02:25 PM
My new favorite sale site. They had a 24 footer that the sale is pending I'm Doring to know what it sold for. That's exactly what I want.
At PPL, some time after the unit has been sold it will be moved to the "Sold" list:  https://www.pplmotorhomes.com/sold-rvs (https://www.pplmotorhomes.com/sold-rvs)  so you may be able to find out the sold price.

Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on September 26, 2017, 05:58:02 PM
I called and spoke to them. The salesman said it was really rough. Roof damage, passenger side rear damage, rusted steps, AC didn't work. Carpets could use a replacing. He told me being that I'm in California he wanted me to know everything I can before heading out there. Bexause of my new Ttek Buddy Isaac's advice I passed. But should have a picture of what I am getting up soon.
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on October 07, 2017, 07:29:46 PM
Good luck Tony. Post some pictures if you end up buying it.

Kev

Well let's just say the budget got blown out of the water. Hahaha
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: Tony79dr on October 07, 2017, 07:32:35 PM
To answer my own thread. The answer is Yes, it is unrealistic to buy something for 10K. Especially when youre not a DIY-er or can overlook some of the wrecks of RVs I've seen in that 10K range. LOL was fun though. 
Title: Re: 10K Unrealistic???
Post by: SeilerBird on October 07, 2017, 07:41:12 PM
To answer my own thread the answer is Yes it is unrealistic to buy something for 10K. Especially when youre not the DIY-er or can overlook some of the wrecks of RVs I've seen in that 10K range. LOL was fun though.
Yep, you gotta kiss a lot of frogs before finding your princess. Nice looking rig.