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Title: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 20, 2017, 04:30:31 PM
California has 850 miles of shoreline on one ocean. Florida has 1350 miles of shoreline on three different large bodies of water, thousands of lakes, rivers, canals, streams and ponds. Florida is the fishing capitol of the world. You should check it out. Plus it is a lot cheaper to live in Florida than California, and I have lived both places. ;D
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2017, 05:08:01 PM
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California has 850 miles of shoreline on one ocean. Florida has 1350 miles of shoreline on three different large bodies of water

We have 1200 miles of inland waterways in our small part of California.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SargeW on September 20, 2017, 05:17:08 PM
And then there is Florida weather..........
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 20, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
And then there is Florida weather..........
Absolutely perfect year round weather. And it is a lot cheaper to live in Florida than in California. ;D
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Arch Hoagland on September 20, 2017, 07:52:34 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnowing_Oar 

Just keep going with an oar on your RV until someone asks you what it is.

Grew up in Pennsylvania and eventually wound up in California. Went to a yard sale with a CA native friend and there was a snow shovel for sale. He picked it up and said "With the heck is this?"  I replied "Count your blessings!"
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 20, 2017, 08:10:17 PM
But unlike Florida, California doesn't have the all the swamps, alligators, sink holes, bugs, humidity and hurricanes.   


And our Disneyland doesn't have any prehistoric lizards that grab kids and eats them either.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 20, 2017, 08:22:27 PM
But unlike Florida, California doesn't have the all the swamps, alligators, sink holes, bugs, humidity and hurricanes.   


Our Disneyland doesn't have any giant prehistoric lizards that grab kids and eats them either.
And Florida does not have an eight year drought to contend with and you won't see one hundred wildfires burning at the same time like California did earlier this year.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 20, 2017, 08:26:15 PM
And Florida does not have an eight year drought to contend with and you won't see one hundred wildfires burning at the same time like California did earlier this year.

that's because a wildfire in Florida is referred to as a "grass fire'. 

The biggest hill in Florida is a handicap ramp.. ;D
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 20, 2017, 08:27:45 PM
California has the Manson Family, OJ Simpson, Death Valley, Santa Ana winds, earthquakes and the San Francisco Giants.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 20, 2017, 08:31:24 PM
California has the Manson Family, OJ Simpson, Death Valley, Santa Ana winds, earthquakes and the San Francisco Giants.

and also Big Sur, Yosemite, Carmel, Pismo, San Fransisco, lake Tahoe....and the Dodgers.

and I think O.J. will be a Florida resident again...once he gets out.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Memtb on September 20, 2017, 08:31:53 PM
     
      Thanks, but, no thanks! We'll pass on both!   (:(
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: LarsMac on September 20, 2017, 08:46:54 PM
I like both, but I wouldn't want to be a permanent resident of either.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: UTTransplant on September 20, 2017, 09:01:54 PM
I used to do a lot of business in Florida, especially Melbourne. Lovely place in the fall and winter. I found it horrid in the late spring and summer. I hate humidity and bugs, and both are in abundance in Florida. I also spent a lot of time in California on business, mostly either near LAX or Orange County. Weather is nice, but there are too many people for me. We still enjoy visiting in the winter, especially in the desert (Death Valley, Joshua Tree, etc). This year we have reserved a week at Bolsa Chica State Park, just north of Huntington Beach plus we will be at Death Valley for a week and a half in November. We are looking forward to both trips. That being said, I have no intention of retiring to either location. My long term winter spot would probably be in Arizona or New Mexico. Our sticks and bricks will probably eventually be in the Midwest close to the kids and grandkids, but we will travel the northern part of the west during summer and fall.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2017, 09:10:53 PM
Quote from: UTTransplant
I found it horrid in the late spring and summer. I hate humidity and bugs, and both are in abundance in Florida.

Me too!

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I also spent a lot of time in California on business, mostly either near LAX or Orange County. Weather is nice, but there are too many people for me.

You were in the 'wrong' part of California.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: UTTransplant on September 20, 2017, 09:18:51 PM
You were in the 'wrong' part of California.
Not arguing that! After all, it was work, not play  :)
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2017, 09:21:20 PM
Been there, done that  ;D
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SargeW on September 20, 2017, 09:30:04 PM
The humidity and bugs here are too much for me too. And if not for other obligations I would have pointed the rig north long ago.  But being born and raised in CA I am the first to admit it's not perfect either.  I just like the greater range of ecosystems in the west, but that is just me.

I had a house in north county San Diego for 8 years, and the weather was usually great. I was just rarely there to enjoy it! It's this darn "RV habit" that I have.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Betty Brewer on September 20, 2017, 10:10:58 PM
The argument is like chocolate  vs  strawberry, a  personal preference that is not going to  be  swayed  by the opinion  of others!  As if anyone  really cares!  I like vanilla.

Betty
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom and Margi on September 20, 2017, 10:41:11 PM
 :)) :)) :)) :)) :))   I was thinking apples vs. oranges, but like your version much better, Betty. :-) 

If anyone thinks slamming California OR Florida makes for interesting conversation, they need to choose a new subject.  It's all been said before, is rarely correct, usually stereotypical, and, quite frankly, very boring. 

Margi
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2017, 11:08:15 PM
LOL Margi, I love the way you say it as it is  ;D
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 20, 2017, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: Betty Brewer
The argument is like chocolate  vs  strawberry...

Betty, you're also one of my favorites for saying it the way it is. I sincerely hope that you and Terry are both doing well.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Oldgator73 on September 20, 2017, 11:42:44 PM
The argument is like chocolate  vs  strawberry, a  personal preference that is not going to  be  swayed  by the opinion  of others!  As if anyone  really cares!  I like vanilla.

Betty

I'm partial to pistachio. But, then again I am a Gator.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 21, 2017, 03:47:02 AM
The argument is like chocolate  vs  strawberry, a  personal preference that is not going to  be  swayed  by the opinion  of others!  As if anyone  really cares!  I like vanilla.

Betty
Betty I was making a joke. No one here ever understands humor unless you put this is humor in large capitol letters.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: BobNSam on September 21, 2017, 05:24:32 AM
Betty I was making a joke. No one here ever understands humor unless you put this is humor in large capitol letters.
Often way too true! And not just with our forum friends; our humor is often too subtle and refined!
And I consider both states nice to visit but wouldn't want to live there.
Will probably never visit California again.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 21, 2017, 05:44:59 AM
Often way too true! And not just with our forum friends; our humor is often too subtle and refined!
And I consider both states nice to visit but wouldn't want to live there.
Will probably never visit California again.
I didn't start this stupid thread even though I am getting credit for it. Someone took something I said in another thread and split it into this one. Don't waste your time responding to this stupidity. I love both California and Florida, I have lived in both. Twin sons of different mothers. 
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Memtb on September 21, 2017, 08:14:43 AM
Betty I was making a joke. No one here ever understands humor unless you put this is humor in large capitol letters.


     SeilerBird, I hope that I do not offend you, but.... I agree!!!   :))  ;)   ;D
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 21, 2017, 08:44:30 AM

     SeilerBird, I hope that I do not offend you, but.... I agree!!!   :))  ;)   ;D
You don't offend me, I have been offended by the best around here and my skin is really thick. I have lived in California for 40 years and Florida for 5 years and I find it humorous how often people feel it necessary to bad mouth both states. They are probably jealous because they are not smart enough to live in either state so they bad mouth them to try and make their state look better. This is really a stupid thread and I hope the mods will kill it.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 21, 2017, 09:01:10 AM
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This is really a stupid thread and I hope the mods will kill it.

No reason to lock or remove it. If you don't wish to read it, don't click on it  ;)

FWIW we don't have 'threads' here, and haven't since 2005; Replies are made to a topic, not to individual messages and posters. It took folks a while to adjust to the change from the prior 12 years.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Oldgator73 on September 21, 2017, 09:03:12 AM
You don't offend me, I have been offended by the best around here and my skin is really thick. I have lived in California for 40 years and Florida for 5 years and I find it humorous how often people feel it necessary to bad mouth both states. They are probably jealous because they are not smart enough to live in either state so they bad mouth them to try and make their state look better. This is really a stupid thread and I hope the mods will kill it.

THIS IS HUMOR

I'm just happy you consider me one of the best. If you don't think I am, don't tell me. I have a fragile ego.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: kdbgoat on September 21, 2017, 09:13:58 AM
I was stationed in San Diego for the summer of 1980 and enjoyed it as much as a sailor could on $211 a month. It rained once when I was there, poured about 40 drops to the acre! I also lived in Florida for a while. I enjoyed both places. The biggest drawback I would have living in California would be the cost of living. I have a few friends and a bunch of family in Florida.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Oldgator73 on September 21, 2017, 09:21:55 AM
No reason to lock or remove it. If you don't wish to read it, don't click on it  ;)

FWIW we don't have 'threads' here, and haven't since 2005; Replies are made to a topic, not to individual messages and posters. It took folks a while to adjust to the change from the prior 12 years.

Okay. Not locked or removed. I was born and raised in Florida and I was stationed at Eglin AFB in Ft. Walton Beach while serving in the AF. Florida has some great attributes like the University of Florida. There are also some down sides to Florida such as Florida State University (THAT WAS A JOKE).Florida has some beautiful beaches and great fishing plus Disney World (the RV park is great). California has the Redwood zforest and Fern Valley plus San Francisco and San Diego. My son lived in Monterey for a few years. He said it was the most beautiful place he had ever lived (and he traveled the world with the AF). Having lived in 13 States and traveled through most all 50 States I would be pressed to say which state is my favorite. Just don't ask me which state, out of all we have lived in or visited, I dislike the most. That might start a real argument on this thread.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Memtb on September 21, 2017, 09:28:02 AM
No reason to lock or remove it. If you don't wish to read it, don't click on it  ;)

FWIW we don't have 'threads' here, and haven't since 2005; Replies are made to a topic, not to individual messages and posters. It took folks a while to adjust to the change from the prior 12 years.


  Thanks Tom!!!!    I approve your message!   :))    ;)
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: kdbgoat on September 21, 2017, 09:36:08 AM
Just don't ask me which state, out of all we have lived in or visited, I dislike the most. That might start a real argument on this thread.

Probably the one you're in now. Can't say it's the worst, but close!
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 21, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
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I would be pressed to say which state is my favorite

We've lived on 2 continents and traveled extensively on a third. We've also traveled in/through most of our states. I often think that it would be difficult to pick a single 'ideal' place to live the rest of our days; Every place we've been has pros and cons.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Oldgator73 on September 21, 2017, 09:55:01 AM
There's only two places people live; where they are born or where they land. I overheard a conversation once, don't remember where or who but someone asked a guy "You lived here all your life?" The old guy said "Not yet."
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: glen54737 on September 21, 2017, 10:07:21 AM
We've lived on 2 continents and traveled extensively on a third. We've also traveled in/through most of our states. I often think that it would be difficult to pick a single 'ideal' place to live the rest of our days; Every place we've been has pros and cons.
Another reason to have the RV if you don't like it where you are it's on wheels and easy to move.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Oldgator73 on September 21, 2017, 10:12:41 AM
Probably the one you're in now. Can't say it's the worst, but close!

 :)) :))
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: kdbgoat on September 21, 2017, 10:14:54 AM
No argument from me! :))
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 21, 2017, 10:34:39 AM
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Another reason to have the RV if you don't like it where you are it's on wheels and easy to move.

True, although my prior comment was in the context of a 'fixed' place to live out our days; We don't plan to do that in an RV. But, to your point, we can leave Dodge in the RV whenever we want.

FWIW the last several years we've adopted a retirement lifestyle involving 3 fixed bases:
When we bought the CA house in 2000, it was planned as our "future retirement home", with the ability to lock it up and leave for several months at a time, either by boat or by RV. We've done both, but the RV gets more use than the boat nowadays.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Arch Hoagland on September 21, 2017, 11:33:29 AM
The thing I've noticed about Florida is their roads are the smoothest in the country. 
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 21, 2017, 11:56:30 AM
The thing I've noticed about Florida is their roads are the smoothest in the country.
You know when I moved here I hated the fact there are toll roads everywhere since I had lived in California most of my life where toll roads are as rare as alligators. Then my BIL visited and drove me around. He used the toll roads and I was shocked at how smooth and nice they were. They actually use the money to keep the roads in great repair. I got a SunPass immediately. I have been back to California twice since then and I was shocked at how bad some of the roads are. I-40 is like driving off road. In fact when Lou S. took me out to the Race Track in Death Valley it was smoother.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 21, 2017, 12:33:03 PM
I'd like to trade governors with Florida.

our gas is going up 20 cents per gallon in Nov. (the first of several increases) and the registration fees are going way up too.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Oldgator73 on September 21, 2017, 12:38:45 PM
I'd like to trade governors with Florida.

I wondered how long it would take to get to this.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 21, 2017, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: TonyDtorch
our gas is going up 20 cents per gallon in Nov. (the first of several increases) and the registration fees are going way up too.

I don't look forward to the increases, but hopefully we'll get some of those roads fixed.

When we go to the MidWest (twice a year), we use several toll roads, and I always remark how well maintained they are. But, they're usually freeways, and some secondary roads make CA roads seem smooth.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: John Beard on September 21, 2017, 01:02:09 PM
Born in California, lived in California, moved away from California never to return,except when required by travel. Never had a desire to see Florida. Maybe someday we'll make the trek east, although it is not even on the radar.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 21, 2017, 01:06:18 PM
I don't look forward to the increases, but hopefully we'll get some of those roads fixed.

When we go to the MidWest (twice a year), we use several toll roads, and I always remark how well maintained they are. But, they're usually freeways, and some secondary roads make CA roads seem smooth.

Back in the 70's our roads here in California were the pride of the nation.  They're are at the point of being dangerous now.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 21, 2017, 01:11:22 PM
I was stationed in San Diego for the summer of 1980 and enjoyed it as much as a sailor could on $211 a month. It rained once when I was there, poured about 40 drops to the acre! I also lived in Florida for a while. I enjoyed both places. The biggest drawback I would have living in California would be the cost of living. I have a few friends and a bunch of family in Florida.

...What ...Everyone was paid $211 per month as a Private E1 for involuntary servitude in 1971 !....     10 years later and you guys never even got a pay raise ?

Yes the worst part of CA is the cost of living....and the roads.   ;)
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: UTTransplant on September 21, 2017, 01:20:01 PM
I often think that it would be difficult to pick a single 'ideal' place to live the rest of our days; Every place we've been has pros and cons.
I totally get that. Every place I have been has some good things about it. Every place also has some negatives. We intend on eventually buying a condo in the Midwest near kids and grandkids while continuing to travel. Is the Midwest my favorite part of the country? No, but family makes it seem just fine. It will be a lot more relaxing to pay family to watch the place and handle anything that comes up rather than a management company. I guess when we can't travel any more I will put up a wall sized mural of the Rockies and live on memories.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 21, 2017, 01:39:20 PM
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Is the Midwest my favorite part of the country? No, but family makes it seem just fine.

Same here. I don't like the humidity (it's 80 degrees and 94% RH this week and I'm glad we're not there), and I'm not a big fan of the winter snow. But Chris has to have her Grandma fix. We could stay with either family, but having the town home gives us the ability to have our own time.

Several years ago, while Chris was staying with one of the families (I was at home), I asked her to look around for an apartment we could rent, to see if we liked the idea of our own place there. She found a nice place, but they wouldn't give any discount for paying a year's rent in advance, and they wanted to go through all kinds of 'qualifying' stuff. Had I been there, I would have grabbed a suitcase, gone to the bank and picked up $12,000 (a year's rent) in $1 bills, and dumped it on the counter asking "does this qualify?" Instead, I told Chris to go buy a place, which she did.

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It will be a lot more relaxing to pay family to watch the place and handle anything that comes up rather than a management company.

I figure 'the bank of Dad' has paid forward somewhat  ;D but we obviously repay the kids for stuff they need to buy for us.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: kdbgoat on September 21, 2017, 02:00:40 PM
...What ...Everyone was paid $211 per month as a Private E1 for involuntary servitude in 1971 !....     10 years later and you guys never even got a pay raise ?

My bad, $211 per pay period, twice a month.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: blw2 on September 21, 2017, 02:43:28 PM
interesting thread.
I was born in CA but left as a little tike...
Military bratt but most of my upbringing happened midwest and east coast
have lived in FL since mid 1994 except for a 10 month stretch
as an adult I have traveled a lot for work all over the 48 and a good bit to Canada too...but never to CA, except a short ski / work visit to Tahoe
but for some reason I am drawn to CA. 
Everything I see.... Yosemite is a prime example... is right on up there with the most beautiful place in the world IMHO.
but
I can never imagine myself living there.  A shame really
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: glen54737 on September 21, 2017, 02:50:52 PM
I was stationed in San Diego for the summer of 1980 and enjoyed it as much as a sailor could on $211 a month. It rained once when I was there, poured about 40 drops to the acre! I also lived in Florida for a while. I enjoyed both places. The biggest drawback I would have living in California would be the cost of living. I have a few friends and a bunch of family in Florida.
I was stationed there in feb-june of 82 2 months before i went anywhere with the raincoat, bet they would like that weather for a little while now.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Kevin Means on September 21, 2017, 04:09:25 PM
I grew up in the Pacific Northwest but the Navy brought me to San Diego in the late 70s, and I've lived here ever since. In the Navy, I was fortunate enough to be stationed Pensacola, Fl for awhile, and thought it was a real nice place.

The San Diego area is, IMO, one of the most beautiful parts of our country, with arguably some of the best year-around weather in the world. With tall mountains to the east, an international border to the south, beautiful beaches to the west and (thankfully) a barrier between us and LA to the north (Camp Pendleton) what's not to like?

Well... how about the largest budget deficit in the country, the highest overall tax rates in the country, some of the highest vehicle registration fees in the country, the highest electrical rates in the country (our electrical bill was $985.00 last month) the highest water rates in the country, the highest gasoline prices in the country (typically), the highest population in the country, the highest homeless population in the country, (would mentioning the highest illegal alien population in the country be too political?) some of the worst roads in the country... but hey, it's sure nice weather out here.

Kev
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Larry N. on September 21, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
My bad, $211 per pay period, twice a month.
Hmmm... E2 in the early '60s was $85/month.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: wackymac on September 21, 2017, 04:23:40 PM
Born in 1944 in Tillamook, OR.  When I was 15 we moved to Fillmore, CA.  One year later (1960) moved to Santa Cruz, CA. In 1999 moved to Oregon City, OR near Portland.  In 2009 moved to Ocala, FL.  Love it here.
I agree with Arch, Florida roads are great.  California's roads are horrible, especially I-5.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 21, 2017, 04:27:32 PM
Born in 1944 in Tillamook, OR.  When I was 15 we moved to Fillmore, CA.  One year later (1960) moved to Santa Cruz, CA. In 1999 moved to Oregon City, OR near Portland.  In 2009 moved to Ocala, FL.  Love it here.
I agree with Arch, Florida roads are great.  California's roads are horrible, especially I-5.
Sounds like you were following me around mac. I lived in Ventura in the 60s, 70s and 80s then in Santa Cruz in the 90s and now I live near Orlando.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Pugapooh on September 21, 2017, 07:01:15 PM
I've been to both.  It's clearly better in
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 21, 2017, 07:53:54 PM
  /\  see,   that was funny... ;D
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: muskoka guy on September 21, 2017, 08:53:13 PM
I like both, but I wouldn't want to be a permanent resident of either.
:)) :)) :))
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 21, 2017, 11:49:37 PM
Paradise is transient,   you need a house on wheels to live there. 
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Arch Hoagland on September 22, 2017, 02:19:19 AM
Hmmm... E2 in the early '60s was $85/month.

I was an E2 in the Navy and in 1963 I remember my pay was $80 a month. Thought it was pretty good considering I had everything else I needed and the job I left before joining paid .75 cents an hour.

My, my, my  how times have changed.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Rene T on September 22, 2017, 04:36:43 AM
I was an E2 in the Navy and in 1963 I remember my pay was $80 a month. Thought it was pretty good considering I had everything else I needed and the job I left before joining paid .75 cents an hour.

My, my, my  how times have changed.

I was a E4 in 2008, with one dependent (DW) and I think I was making $110 per month
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Oldgator73 on September 22, 2017, 07:20:39 AM
I was a E4 in 2008, with one dependent (DW) and I think I was making $110 per month

2008 military pay scale indicates an E-4 pay with less than 4 years Service:

Basic Pay: $2000 pm
BAH: $638 pm
BAS: $202 pm
Clothing Maintenance  Allowance: $50 pm
= $2890 pm
This does not include a location allowance for housing which is dependent on where you are stationed.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SargeW on September 22, 2017, 07:43:36 AM
the highest electrical rates in the country (our electrical bill was $985.00 last month)
Kev

Ouch, I thought ours were bad in Fallbrook (same SDG&E).  That is why I put in Solar when I had been there a few years. Turned out to be the best decision I ever made. It not only raised the value when I sold it, but even when I was home during the winter months and paying for the electric for us and my sister's Bungalow in the back, I was still paying less than $100 a month. 

When she moved out a few months before I sold and it was just us living there, my bills went negative. I actually got a refund check from SDG&E when the escrow closed.  Their electric rates are horrible.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 22, 2017, 08:00:33 AM
Well... how about the largest budget deficit in the country,
Florida was to have a surplus this year but Irma wiped that out.
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the highest overall tax rates in the country
Florida has no state income tax.
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some of the highest vehicle registration fees in the country
It cost me $450 to register my fifth wheel last March.
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the highest electrical rates in the country (our electrical bill was $985.00 last month)
My electrical bill for August with the A/C running 24/7 was $75
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the highest water rates in the country
My water is include in my site rent which is $360 a month.
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the highest gasoline prices in the country (typically)
$2.65 a gallon here and that is the highest it has been in years. Usually $2.15.
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the highest population in the country
Third highest population in the country. Half of California.
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the highest homeless population in the country
I don't know where we stand on homeless but I never see any in my home town of Saint Cloud.
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some of the worst roads in the country
Best roads in the country.
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but hey, it's sure nice weather out here
Yep, I lived up the road from SD and you can't beat the weather, but I like the weather here just as much.

Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: kdbgoat on September 22, 2017, 08:09:15 AM
I keep seeing Florida has the best roads, but there are a lot of dirt roads in Florida. To the best of my knowledge, there are no more dirt roads in Delaware.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 22, 2017, 08:22:06 AM
I keep seeing Florida has the best roads, but there are a lot of dirt roads in Florida. To the best of my knowledge, there are no more dirt roads in Delaware.
I have traveled the entire country and Florida gets my vote for the best roads. However, as always it is my opinion and not based on fact. I have no clue about the dirt roads since I never drive on dirt roads, too destructive to vehicles.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on September 22, 2017, 08:24:46 AM
     OK, time for me to throw my oar into this race.  I think we have the best situation possible, 6 months in Florida, and 6 months in God's Country, that is Maritime Canada.  Great weather 12 months of the year, great healthcare, unbelievable scenery in both locations, cheap lobster and crab along with fresh salmon, cod or haddock.  As for California, have only visited 3 times, for short durations each time, so I'll leave the comments about living there to those who have spent more time there.
     All that said, having worked in an industry that moved us around, I can honestly say that once we set up housekeeping we adjusted and loved our time there, where ever it was.
     Life is good, great to be retired.

Ed
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Oldgator73 on September 22, 2017, 10:11:26 AM
I keep seeing Florida has the best roads, but there are a lot of dirt roads in Florida. To the best of my knowledge, there are no more dirt roads in Delaware.

I haven't taken the 90 minutes it does to travel the entirety of the state of Delaware, but I would posit there is a dirt road somewhere. One of the charms of Florida are the back roads, some of which are dirt. I grew up in Florida, Daytona Beach, and we had family in Tampa. In the 50's we didn't have I-4 to take to Tampa so we had to take a two lane highway. As soon as we left Daytona we were in citrus groves the whole way to Tampa. It was not uncommon to stop and pick oranges, tangerines and grapefruit along the way.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: garyb1st on September 22, 2017, 11:04:38 AM
Born and raised in Minnesota.  Sub zero temps for the entire month of February 1973, finally convinced me to leave.  Relocated to So. Cal. where I traded freezing temps and an occasional foot of snow for year round weather that's pretty hard to beat.  There is one huge downside that can't be fixed.  The ever growing population.  Never ending traffic jams.  It's the only reason I want to move.  The DW, on the other hand, will only consider moving if/when we can find a comparable area.   That's not likely to happen unless we can find an, as yet undiscovered, area near the beach that doesn't cost $1+ million for a fixer on a 4,000 sf lot.   But traffic aside, nasty roads, too many people, potential for earthquakes that don't come with a weeks notice to leave town, the highest priced gas in the nation and supposedly one of the most costly places to live in the lower 48, it's got a lot to offer.   
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 22, 2017, 01:01:01 PM
Florida had a budget surplus !!      and no Income Tax !!

What the heck is Florida doing differently....... ???
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 22, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
Florida had a budget surplus !!      and no Income Tax !!

What the hell is Florida doing differently....... ???
Florida has more tourists than any place else in the US. We get 60 million people a year in Orlando alone. NYC gets 55 million and Las Vegas gets 40 million. The tourists pay the taxes and keep the roads smooth as a babies butt. Thank you Mouse. ;D
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: John Beard on September 22, 2017, 01:55:48 PM
Being a Las Vegas native where our State Shrub has been designated as the Orange Construction Cone, our roads are being repaired quicker than they can be used up, all thanks go to our esteemed tourists. I am thankful for Californians who show up on Friday and leave Sunday afternoon. God love the tourist.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 22, 2017, 02:00:40 PM
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our State Shrub has been designated as the Orange Construction Cone

That's funny  ;D

Apologies if I say that I hate Las Vegas; I visit maybe once in 10 years, and usually under duress. Hope I don't offend our forum friends who live in a beautiful place in LV  ???
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: kdbgoat on September 22, 2017, 02:08:36 PM
I know about 15 years ago, this was North Carolina's state song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L7UAyQ83Yg
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: John Beard on September 22, 2017, 02:12:11 PM
That's funny  ;D

Apologies if I say that I hate Las Vegas; I visit maybe once in 10 years, and usually under duress. Hope I don't offend our forum friends who live in a beautiful place in LV  ???

I have put my foot down with my wife, I have spent my last summer in Las Vegas, they are a merciless four months of 100+ degree days. So I hear you and I also can appreciate your disdain for this town, which is not the town I grew up in.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: garyb1st on September 22, 2017, 02:32:50 PM
I have put my foot down with my wife,

Let me know how that works out for you.   ;)   
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Rene T on September 22, 2017, 02:41:17 PM
I have put my foot down with my wife,

And she probably gave you permission to say that.  >:( :( :'(
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Gizmo on September 22, 2017, 02:47:24 PM
And then there is Florida weather..........

My thought exactly.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 22, 2017, 03:07:38 PM
My thought exactly.
Best in the nation. I wear shorts, polo shirts and sandals all year long. The weather never gets too hot and never gets too cold. I am always comfortable. I know a lot of people hate the humidity but it has no effect on me. We do have a lot of rain in the summer but then again we don't get an eight year drought like California.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 22, 2017, 04:23:15 PM
I think with the tourism and some of the some of the other industries like Google, Facebook,  Apple, etc. that California has....I'll bet we probably have a bit more taxable income than even Florida.

..there must be some other reason Florida has better roads, no income tax and a budget surplus.    ::)
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: dave54 on September 22, 2017, 04:26:30 PM
California is so much more than the coastal megapolis.  Go to the inland north and escape the insanity.  No people.  My county, for example, is roughly the size of Connecticut with only 33,000 population.  And a full third of those are involuntary guests of the state.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: garyb1st on September 22, 2017, 04:34:57 PM
California is so much more than the coastal megapolis.  Go to the inland north and escape the insanity.  No people.  My county, for example, is roughly the size of Connecticut with only 33,000 population.  And a full third of those are involuntary guests of the state.

How close to the Oregon border?  How far are you from the reluctant guests? 
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 22, 2017, 05:04:33 PM
Honestly,   

Why is it so 'politically incorrect' to even talk about the reasons everyone hates California.

It truly is  "the elephant in the room" .
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: John From Detroit on September 22, 2017, 05:18:33 PM
First let me state both Florida and California are among our 50 most beautiful states.

ALL 50 have advantages and disadvantages..  One of those is politics  But taxes may be higher or lower. Weather is different. Florida gets hit by more major storms. California more major droughts and fires. 

Frankly I kind of like Michigan.. Big and like FL and CA it is one of our 50 most beautiful states.

Of course we get snow and tornadoes. but where as IRMA just hit ALL of flordia. Tornadoes are generally much much smaller .
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Rene T on September 22, 2017, 05:29:21 PM
First let me state both Florida and California are among our 50 most beautiful states.

 but where as IRMA just hit ALL of flordia.

I believe It missed the pan handle for the most part.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Robert K on September 22, 2017, 06:51:18 PM
I think with the tourism and some of the some of the other industries like Google, Facebook,  Apple, etc. that California has....I'll bet we probably have a bit more taxable income than even Florida.

..there must be some other reason Florida has better roads, no income tax and a budget surplus.    ::)

Isn't California the 7th largest economy in the world or someting like that.And it still isn't enough.
I don't want to start the shut down of this conversation so will stop at this.
All the states are nice places
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 22, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
I find it amusing that the person who suggested we shut this discussion down has been the most prolific poster  ???

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This is really a stupid thread and I hope the mods will kill it.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: John Beard on September 22, 2017, 07:08:48 PM
Let me know how that works out for you.   ;)

I think she is finally on board, the summer was especially brutal this year, the temperatures made a significant plunge finally today.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: John Beard on September 22, 2017, 07:09:36 PM
And she probably gave you permission to say that.  >:( :( :'(

She was in the other room...lol
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: dave54 on September 22, 2017, 10:45:50 PM
Honestly,   

Why is it so 'politically incorrect' to even talk about the reasons everyone hates California.

It truly is  "the elephant in the room" .

Watching the state legislature is the best comedy show around.  I maintain my sanity by doing as much shopping as possible in Reno and giving my sales tax to Nevada.
The CA legislature has a simple rule: if you cannot tax it then ban it!
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Alfa38User on September 23, 2017, 10:43:56 AM
Florida had a budget surplus !!      and no Income Tax !!

What the heck is Florida doing differently....... ???

Hauling in Snowbirds and charging them the full property tax rates (no 'homestead cap' for us!!!)
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 23, 2017, 10:51:28 AM
Hauling in Snowbirds and charging them the full property tax rates (no 'homestead cap' for us!!!)

The property taxs in Florida may be a lot higher than California.    We get some Snowbirds too, maybe they should look into that. I would really like some better roads and a budget surplus... :D




Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: wackymac on September 23, 2017, 11:15:34 AM
Seilerbird--We met last year at a luncheon near Lakeland.  I tell people in Ocala we have two seasons, summer and January.  People don't recognize me when I wear long pants.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 23, 2017, 12:23:58 PM
Oh yeah I remember you now. I have a hard time remembering what I had for breakfast lately.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: wackymac on September 23, 2017, 01:09:50 PM
You don't hold a monopoly on that.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Stephen S. on September 23, 2017, 01:11:48 PM
Florida had a budget surplus !!      and no Income Tax !!

What the heck is Florida doing differently....... ???

Floridans make a reasonable, realistic financial plan, and stick to it!

Californians make unrealistic promises about everyone getting free stuff, paid for by the rich, then go off plan in less than a month.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 23, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
Unfortunately it appears the rich people and many other many other tax paying people are moving out of our state.

It kinda sounds like California needs a change of course......but that I don't think that's ever gonna happen   :-\

Sucks for us.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Derby6 on September 27, 2017, 05:25:36 PM
Florida had a budget surplus !!      and no Income Tax !!

What the heck is Florida doing differently....... ???

Floridans make a reasonable, realistic financial plan, and stick to it!

Californians make unrealistic promises about everyone getting free stuff, paid for by the rich, then go off plan in less than a month.

Thread just got political....LOL
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 27, 2017, 05:35:39 PM
Thread just got political....LOL
Yes it did but California bashing is allowed here.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 27, 2017, 05:36:57 PM
Yes it appears that many of the problems that California has are political in nature.

 We have had the same governor and party control for over 4 terms now.

It was such a beautiful state,  but sadly.....it's a goner... :'(
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 27, 2017, 05:39:33 PM
Yes it appears that many of the problems that California has are political in nature.

 We have had the same governor and party control for over 4 terms now.

It was such a beautiful state,  but sadly.....it's a goner... :'(
Oh the state is fine. Jerry is a cool dude. He used to shack up with Linda Ronstadt.  8)
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 27, 2017, 05:43:20 PM
Oh the state is fine. Jerry is a cool dude. He used to shack up with Linda Ronstadt.  8)

This from one of the biggest Cal slammers..   :)

It's cool, Tom,     I too was madly in love with Linda from the first time I saw ever her at the Golden Bear back in the days. 

The whole history of the Laruel Canyon bunch is amazing.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 27, 2017, 05:58:15 PM
This from one of the biggest Cal slammers..   :)

It's cool, Tom,     I too was madly in love with Linda from the first time I saw ever her at the Golden Bear back in the days. 

The whole history of the Laruel Canyon bunch is amazing.
I have never slammed California. I love Cali. I saw Linda in concert at Anaheim Stadium in 1975. But I was there more to see her guitar player Andrew Gold. He had just released his first album and it was fantastic. It was stadium seating so everyone was standing. I was in the front row. Everyone was yelling for Linda, I was yelling for Andrew. Everyone must have thought I was gay. Linda looked so cute being barefoot in short shorts.  ;D :-*
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 27, 2017, 06:57:34 PM
Loved the times... In 69 (I think) I saw Dylan in Anaheim at the old Melodyland arena,   and lately I've been to several incredible Stones concerts at the Big A.

 I fondly remember the old days of the Doors, Sweet Baby James, Lynda along with Don Henley and Glen as backup at the Whiskey.

But,  by the time I got out of the Army it appeared the music had died....as they say.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 27, 2017, 06:59:40 PM
Every single generation claims the only good music ever created just happened when they were 17 years old. I have had a lucky life, music has been great my whole life.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 27, 2017, 07:04:09 PM
Every single generation claims the only good music ever created just happened when they were 17 years old. I have had a lucky life, music has been great my whole life.

Yes, growing up here in So. Cal 17 was a magic year for me too,   and that's a Great outlook on life.   (Too bad you have to live it in Florida... ;) )
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 27, 2017, 07:05:25 PM
(Too bad you have to live it in Florida... ;) )
I love it here in Florida. Absolute paradise. Could not be happier.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 27, 2017, 07:08:19 PM
But,   We have much better waves here...
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 27, 2017, 07:12:46 PM
But,   We have much better waves here...
Yep, you can't possibly beat Mavericks.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 27, 2017, 07:37:39 PM
You ride any of the Mavericks Tom?
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom on September 27, 2017, 07:43:28 PM
I recall the day we headed south from the Golden Gate when the weather man got it wrong. Called Half Moon Bay (Pillar Point) for refuge. There were 28 foot waves coming up from the south that afternoon, and I was scared we'd capsize as we made the U-turn into the harbor. The following morning there was 43 foot surf outside the harbor, and we stayed put for several days.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 27, 2017, 07:58:21 PM
You ride any of the Mavericks Tom?
The largest wave I ever rode was about three feet. I was a horrible surfer. Great water skier, good snow skier and terrible racket ball player. Sports were not my bag.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: TonyDtorch on September 27, 2017, 08:12:34 PM
I've had my life saved by a Huntington Beach lifeguard and seriously injured at the wedge..... Mavericks is for young pros only.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 27, 2017, 08:16:26 PM
California has the Dodgers :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SargeW on September 27, 2017, 08:19:59 PM
Now I never surfed, but I water skied, played racket ball, and weight trained. But California was always "home". It's goofed up now, but all things will cycle. That still doesn't take away from many of the amazing wonders that are Ca.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 27, 2017, 08:33:43 PM
People love to claim California is overcrowded and parts of it are. But about 90% is nothing but open spaces. And beautiful. California has the most National Parks of any state in the union due to it's beauty. They have 9, Alaska has 8, Utah has 5, Colorado has 4 and Florida has 3. The neat thing about the nine National Parks is that they are all radically different. You have Death Valley, Joshua Tree, Lassen Volcanic, Pinnacles, Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Yosemite, Channel Islands and Redwood. An amazing collection.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SargeW on September 27, 2017, 08:34:56 PM
Great explanation Tom.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom and Margi on September 27, 2017, 08:37:03 PM
Now I never surfed, but I water skied, played racket ball, and weight trained. But California was always "home". It's goofed up now, but all things will cycle. That still doesn't take away from many of the amazing wonders that are Ca.

Exactly, SargeW.  Things may occasionally become screwed up in my home state.  I have faith they will eventually become "unscrewed".  It is a beautiful state with mountains, deserts, plains, valleys, seashores and temperate temperatures.  It has always been a state destined to succeed.  Sometimes success needs to take a step back, clean up an act, and march forward.  I have faith that, in the long run, the state will eventually do just that.  Soon, I hope.  ;)
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Tom and Margi on September 27, 2017, 08:38:33 PM
People love to claim California is overcrowded and parts of it are. But about 90% is nothing but open spaces. And beautiful. California has the most National Parks of any state in the union due to it's beauty. They have 9, Alaska has 8, Utah has 5, Colorado has 4 and Florida has 3. The neat thing about the nine National Parks is that they are all radically different. You have Death Valley, Joshua Tree, Lassen Volcanic, Pinnacles, Sequoia, Kings Canyon, Yosemite, Channel Islands and Redwood. An amazing collection.

 :)) :)) :)) :))   Yes!!!
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 27, 2017, 08:55:42 PM
:)) :)) :)) :))   Yes!!!
And the interesting thing is that many of the most beautiful parts of the state should be National Parks but are not. Lake Tahoe, Monterey Bay, Farallon Islands, Santa Barbara coast, Elephant Seal colony, Big Sur, Lake Havasu, the Little Grand Canyon, Crescent Bay and the list goes on and on.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: garyb1st on September 27, 2017, 09:48:41 PM
And the interesting thing is that many of the most beautiful parts of the state should be National Parks but are not. Lake Tahoe, Monterey Bay, Farallon Islands, Santa Barbara coast, Elephant Seal colony, Big Sur, Lake Havasu, the Little Grand Canyon, Crescent Bay and the list goes on and on.

Wow, I've been in California for 40 years and never knew about the Little Grand Canyon.  I'm an hour away.  Thanks for enlightening the group Tom. 

Good to see positive things about California.  We've taken a lot of hits on the Forum.  A few are correct, most are a tad off base. 
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: Stephen S. on September 27, 2017, 09:58:49 PM
The 9 years I was living in LA and Orange counties I loved the 12 month motorcycle season.

And then there were the "Snow to Beach" parties in the winter. Skiing until around 4 or 5 PM, then go down to the beach and help the cook dig up the whole pig.
Title: Re: California vs Florida
Post by: SeilerBird on September 28, 2017, 04:51:53 AM
Wow, I've been in California for 40 years and never knew about the Little Grand Canyon.  I'm an hour away.  Thanks for enlightening the group Tom. 
You are welcome Gary. My step dad was raised in Paradise and after he married my mom we took a trip to Paradise to visit his parents. One day Chuck decided to take me to see the Henry Bidwell Museum. To get to Chico we had to drive past the Little Grand Canyon. Along the way we passed a plot of land with a for sale sign tacked up to a tree. I had Chuck stop so I could take a photo of the tree because it looked like it was the tree that was for sale. At the Bidwell mansion they had an 1800s piano so I sat down and started playing Lady Madonna. Chuck took my photo and he almost died. There was no one else in the museum and the piano was very loud. He was sure we were going to get thrown out but no one said a word. Several years later Chuck sent me a photo of the same tree after it had been hit by lightning and was mostly destroyed. I didn't save either photo of the tree.

In my lifetime I have been to three different places claiming to be the Grand Canyon of something. The Little Grand Canyon near Chico, the Grand Canyon of the Pacific on Kauai and the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstones. My favorite joke is that if the real Grand Canyon ever saw any of these impostors that the real one should sue the fake one for impersonating a Grand Canyon. While all three are nice they are in no way closely related to the real thing.