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Title: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: desertguy24 on October 17, 2017, 08:30:53 PM
It seems as if these sorts of RVs only get 10-15 mpg. Even an older ford Brougham I looked at fetches 10-15. Should I be happy with that? The alternative seems to be Road Trek, so you lose all the living space and are stuck in a van with two people but you gain mpg. Or is there another way to approach this? Road Treks have such a crazy asking price....Isn't there an older RV which obtains decent mileage? I can't believe people drive around with Rvs which top out at 5 mpg. That's nuts...
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Sun2Retire on October 17, 2017, 08:49:50 PM
I can't believe people drive around with Rvs which top out at 5 mpg. That's nuts...

While there have been improvements efficiency, it all comes down to a math problem. It still takes a lot of horsepower (i.e., fuel) to move a heavy, large vehicle down the road.


What sort of mileage does your house get?  ;)
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: WILDEBILL308 on October 17, 2017, 09:57:54 PM
It seems as if these sorts of RVs only get 10-15 mpg. Even an older ford Brougham I looked at fetches 10-15. Should I be happy with that? The alternative seems to be Road Trek, so you lose all the living space and are stuck in a van with two people but you gain mpg. Or is there another way to approach this? Road Treks have such a crazy asking price....Isn't there an older RV which obtains decent mileage? I can't believe people drive around with Rvs which top out at 5 mpg. That's nuts...
Call me nuts if you want but my condo gets 8-9 MPG (over the last 4600 miles). My toad gets 30+ I go to a new area and explore with the toad.
I bet in reality the old Ford only gets 9-10. By the way I am leaving on another trip Thursday. Yep I am nuts but I am traveling.
By the way welcome to the forum. :))
Bill
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Pugapooh on October 18, 2017, 05:09:32 AM
The whole idea of a house going down the road is crazy!

Nobody said this was gonna be cheap.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Gary RV_Wizard on October 18, 2017, 08:15:56 AM
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Isn't there an older RV which obtains decent mileage? I can't believe people drive around with Rvs which top out at 5 mpg. That's nuts...
Short answer is NO. Smaller van or pick-up styles do better, but anything with a substantial house is going to be in the 8-10 mpg arena. If on an 80's vintage vehicle chassis, probably 5-8 mpg.   Medium and heavy duty trucks got 4-6 mpg back in that era.  Weight (which creates tire rolling resistance) and frontal area (wind resistance) makes for hard work!

The good news is that bigger ones aren't any worse - 40 foot diesel coaches still get about 8 mpg.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: WILDEBILL308 on October 18, 2017, 11:16:12 AM
Garry, It won't help the OP but the new diesel's running DEF are getting better mileage because they don't have to dial back performance for emissions. Some were running up to 40% EGR. One of the members in a club I belong to is getting 12 in his 40 ft. coach.
On the other side I had a class C with a thirsty 460 that got 4-6 mpg less in town.
desertguy24, The newer coach you can buy the better mileage you will get. you want all the improvements you can get. Better engine. fuel injection more gears
 6-9 in a gas coach is about what reality is.
Bill
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Spring Creek on October 18, 2017, 11:54:25 AM
All figures below interstate driving at or about 65mph and all with 6.8L Ford gas.

2016 Class C 27 ft = 6-8 mpg towing.  Best mileage was 9.2 w/o towing and 30mph tailwind for an entire day.
2016 Class A 38 ft = same as above (I was surprised too...figured a larger coach would be less mpg)
2018 Class C 33 ft = same as above

All numbers hand calculated using actual miles divided by gallons.

Bottom line is 3 different units and nothing under 6 and nothing substantial over 9.  Can you get better mpg with a small coach w/ diesel?  Sure, but they cost more so I'm not sure it's a real form of savings when you pencil it out.

If gas $$ are that important, you may get better than 9 but you'll have to drive 50-55 mph....and that is a maybe.   I used to cringe the first few times I filled up.  Now I just consider it the cost of doing business.

If the money spent on gas is a concern, probably should look at another form of fun.  RV'ing isn't cheap.

And, I don't need a wind tunnel or a PhD to prove a brick has horrible aerodynamics  ;D
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Mile High on October 18, 2017, 03:42:24 PM
Boy,
My Dad's Tioga with a carbureted 460 made him smile if it got 6 mpg :) 
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: desertguy24 on October 19, 2017, 09:28:01 AM
I have never checked the mileage on my house....My goal is to avoid the Ford 460 motor. Nearly every older motor home I see seems to have that very engine.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: WILDEBILL308 on October 19, 2017, 10:04:26 AM
Hear is a good buy for the money.
 https://www.pplmotorhomes.com/used-rvs-for-sale/class-a/1999-fleetwood-bounder_rv-37024
No slides but it does have new tires. The Ford V10 is a great engine.
Tell me what you think about it.
Bill
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: mikebreeze on October 19, 2017, 01:22:16 PM
That 1999 Bounder does look good, the mileage is about average and the price is right.  The only thing that I'm not crazy about is the material used on the sofa, chair and drapes. 
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: desertguy24 on October 19, 2017, 03:04:01 PM
i appreciate the link but I really don't like Class A motor homes...They always remind me of Greyhound and I doubt I could drive one without piling it up. I really want a class c or a class B.....we used to have  a Toyota Dolphin which was actually a Toyota pick-up truck with a manual tranny so putting gas in it was not scary. Trouble was, pulling that Camper shell, so to speak, was crazy and horribly under powered.
I think I achieved about 13.5 mpg. That was fine. My concern about buying this motor home is that we live in a time of fracking and petroleum glut. That won't last. gas is reasonable now but.....next year could be different. I guess i should be content as the guy who wants to sell me this retro Ford brougham says he gets between 10-15 mpg.  I would think those would be good mpg owing to the fiberglass,,,,
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: ArdraF on October 19, 2017, 03:49:17 PM
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I have never checked the mileage on my house

Dang!  What fun are you?  ;D Here I was looking for a really interesting number....

Desertguy24, if you get over 8mpg in any '80s motorhome I'd be surprised.  We had three gas Cs with Chevy, Dodge 440, and Chevy 454 engines between  1972 and 1999 and I don't recall much under 8mpg unless going downhill with a tailwind!  One year up in Newfoundland we paid US$6/US gallon for our diesel pusher.  Definitely not cheap!  But we sure had a great trip.  If the cost of fuel is going to be stressful, then having a motorhome might not be for you because it should be fun.

By the way, as I recall those Toyota Dolphins were grossly underpowered and easily over weight.

ArdraF

Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: WILDEBILL308 on October 19, 2017, 05:56:03 PM
i appreciate the link but I really don't like Class A motor homes...They always remind me of Greyhound and I doubt I could drive one without piling it up. I really want a class c or a class B.....we used to have  a Toyota Dolphin which was actually a Toyota pick-up truck with a manual tranny so putting gas in it was not scary. Trouble was, pulling that Camper shell, so to speak, was crazy and horribly under powered.
I think I achieved about 13.5 mpg. That was fine. My concern about buying this motor home is that we live in a time of fracking and petroleum glut. That won't last. gas is reasonable now but.....next year could be different. I guess i should be content as the guy who wants to sell me this retro Ford brougham says he gets between 10-15 mpg.  I would think those would be good mpg owing to the fiberglass,,,,
Did you bother to look at the class C coaches on that site?
Bill
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: ArdraF on October 19, 2017, 07:02:41 PM
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The only thing that I'm not crazy about is the material used on the sofa, chair and drapes.

Fabrics can be changed as can flooring materials and things like sofas.  You should check out our Remodeling your RV board to see how much can be done.  If you find a floor plan you both love and feel like it could be home then you're on track and can make cosmetic changes.  If there are too many negatives or impossible structural changes, then you need to keep looking.

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They always remind me of Greyhound and I doubt I could drive one without piling it up.

They're all boxes and we can't do much about that, but As often are easier to drive than Cs.  I've loved all our motorhomes (both Cs and As) but love driving our As.  And you certainly get more bang for your buck especially in terms of livability and storage which you will need fulltiming.  We've never been full-timers but we often spend months at a time traveling so as part-timers know the importance of comfort and livability features - whether a C or A.  I wouldn't recommend a B for full-timing although some people do it.  Just not my ideal.

ArdraF

Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: cgmartin on October 19, 2017, 08:22:40 PM
10 to 15 mpg? Not even my 2016 Buick gets that good a mileage. My Class C Tioga gets about 7.5 to 8 mpg on a mirror glass surface and without any bumps, and driving at 58.5 mph
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: muskoka guy on October 19, 2017, 09:00:21 PM
This guy is just telling you what you want to hear. There is no way you are getting anywhere near 10 to 15 miles per gallon in anything bigger than a stripped down B class. My tundra barely gets that if it does most of the time. Dont be scared of an A class. They are just like driving a car, only a bit bigger. lol  C class mhs are  just as wide and usually just as long as a smaller A. Good luck and happy travels.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Mile High on October 19, 2017, 09:31:57 PM
I have never checked the mileage on my house....My goal is to avoid the Ford 460 motor. Nearly every older motor home I see seems to have that very engine.
They ran neck and neck with the Chev 454, which was a POS in my opinion.   The primary failure on the old Fords was the transmission, and the GMs was the engine and that 454 was expensive to replace and even find.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: desertguy24 on October 20, 2017, 02:39:36 PM
The Toyota dolphin was grossly underpowered.....Imagine a 4 -cylinder motor trying ti pull that weight. it did get you there after a while.  My memory is of 13.5 mpg.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: WILDEBILL308 on October 20, 2017, 03:54:04 PM
You need to seriously go look at that bounder again or some of the outer coaches. You can find out what engine they have.
Bill
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: desertguy24 on October 20, 2017, 09:06:51 PM
Bill: That Bounder for sale-you sent me the link-what would you estimate it would cost me to drive that thing from here to where I want to be in the summer, 424 miles one-way. I would not be towing anything.....jeep, Plymouth Neon nada....it's a hilly 424 rising to 7000 feet from 598 feet above sea level...
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Sun2Retire on October 20, 2017, 09:13:45 PM
Bill: That Bounder for sale-you sent me the link-what would you estimate it would cost me to drive that thing from here to where I want to be in the summer, 424 miles one-way. I would not be towing anything.....jeep, Plymouth Neon nada....it's a hilly 424 rising to 7000 feet from 598 feet above sea level...


$150-200 in fuel assuming nothing breaks
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Old_Crow on October 21, 2017, 06:42:53 AM
I've got an '00 37' Bounder with the V-10.  Just drove across Hwy 64 in N New Mexico/Oklahoma.  Fuel mileage was about 5mpg in western NM(including 3 10,000' summits), and around 7 across eastern NM/OK(fairly flat). 
I usually try for 300-350 miles a day, so, basically 1 fill-up at around $115-$125 a day.  You get used to it after a while.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: WILDEBILL308 on October 21, 2017, 09:34:44 AM
To many variables to give a fixed cost. I would use 6mpg as a planning number. If you get better mileage you are ahead of the game. I would use 6 with any RV till you have concrete history.
I would plan on setting the jeep up as a towed. Much cheaper to drive the Jeep to town for grocery's or to go exploring.
Bill
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: desertguy24 on October 21, 2017, 09:38:08 PM
good info....but I believe my fear of vehicles and cost stems from my Mother giving me a fixed amount of money when i was a kid  to go to swim class in a taxi. i would watch the taxi meter-ping ping ping.....wondering if I had enough cash to cover the trip. Always hated that-especially when at a stop light going nowhere but the meter still churned....ping ping ping....I just want a simple conveyance with mileage not resembling one of Patton's tanks slogging through North Africa. My cousin JUST TOLD told me his 80s Sunrader achieves 17-18 mpg. I think it's AN '84. bILL, NO TOWING FOR ME! The wife drives the Toyota behind me.....
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Gary RV_Wizard on October 22, 2017, 08:22:12 AM
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Garry, It won't help the OP but the new diesel's running DEF are getting better mileage because they don't have to dial back performance for emissions.

They are only "better" than the diesels built after 1/1/2007 but before DEF (1/1/2010). The DEF (SCR) engines get back the mpg that was lost when the 2007 emissions regs went into effect. Engines built prior to 2007 already got an mpg equal or better than DEF engines.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Gary RV_Wizard on October 22, 2017, 08:29:54 AM
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My cousin JUST TOLD told me his 80s Sunrader achieves 17-18 mpg. I think it's AN '84

The Toyota mini-truck based campers like the Sunrader and Dolphin did indeed get decent mpg, though I think your cousin is bragging more than a little!  Sunraders were built up until about 1990, so you might find one that isn't totally worn out mechanically. Whether the house body is Ok is still another question. And those are pretty small as well.

If you are much afraid of unexpected expenses, buying an old, old RV ought to scare the beejezus out of you. Especially one that was overloaded when it left the factory!


http://toyotarvforsale.com/tag/sunrader/page/2/
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: WILDEBILL308 on October 22, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
good info....but I believe my fear of vehicles and cost stems from my Mother giving me a fixed amount of money when i was a kid  to go to swim class in a taxi. i would watch the taxi meter-ping ping ping.....wondering if I had enough cash to cover the trip. Always hated that-especially when at a stop light going nowhere but the meter still churned....ping ping ping....I just want a simple conveyance with mileage not resembling one of Patton's tanks slogging through North Africa. My cousin JUST TOLD told me his 80s Sunrader achieves 17-18 mpg. I think it's AN '84. bILL, NO TOWING FOR ME! The wife drives the Toyota behind me.....

Ok why do you hate your wife? If you can't budget 5-8 MPG for fuel expense quit wasting our time. THERE IS NO RV OUT THER YOU CAN AFORRD THAT GETS 17-18 MPG.
Your cousin  is lying to you.
Bill
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: desertguy24 on October 23, 2017, 02:40:18 PM

starstarstarstarstar   1986 Winnebago Lesharo
by: Anonymous

turbo diesel, front wheel drive. 22mpg
I've owned 6 of these. I have gotten as high as 24 mpg once or twice.
(Random listing on the web....)
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: desertguy24 on October 23, 2017, 02:49:18 PM
I own two Sunraders one is a 1983 with a 22R motor 4-speed 21ft. The other is a 1988 with a 22RE, auto trans, it is 18ft. Runs strong with over 200,000 miles on it. Gets 17 mpg on the highway.
Chuck
(Random web posting)
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: muskoka guy on October 23, 2017, 05:51:27 PM
Unless you plan on driving it non stop, the mileage is not a big issue. Lots of mhs only get a few thousand miles a year on them. That is why there is so many 15 year old mhs with 30 or 40k miles on them. If you only have to fill it up four or five times a year, it hardly becomes an issue. As Gary stated, I would be more worried about buying something 35 years old. Unless it spent its life in Arizona and the frame was good, and the rest had been refurbished recently, I would opt for something late 90s and newer. Better motors, slides, and all around better mhs. I had travel trailers for years. They do the job and many are quite nice, but since going to the class A, I could not go back. Having had two 38 ft mhs as well, I would not go smaller either. The more you plan on using it, the bigger it should be. Cheers.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: desertguy24 on October 23, 2017, 10:31:12 PM
Great advice...I think Bill on this site is irritable because he owns a Bounder that gets about no miles per gallon.
I would be cranky, too....But he insists that that is how it is...Nope......The Sunrader has the superb engine and goes slowly. i don't mind....I simply must have 15-17 mpg or I will wind-up cranky like Bill....
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Old_Crow on October 24, 2017, 08:20:15 AM
Hey, my old Sportscoach with the 454 got 5-6mpg.  My Bounder gets 6-8.  I'm not cranky, just the cost of doing business.
I like having my full size queen bed with a topper, the washer/dryer, and room to pass my wife in the hallway without doing the limbo, and I'm willing to accept the mileage it takes to drag all that stuff around.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Gary RV_Wizard on October 24, 2017, 08:59:29 AM
The newer Mercedes Sprinter-van based rigs get around 15-16 mg from their diesels. If mpg is your top priority, there are solutions available. 

But you originally asked about old Tiogoas and Jamborees, and the best of them never saw more than 10 mpg, downhill with a tailwind. Whether using the Ford or Chevy van as the base vehicle.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: WILDEBILL308 on October 24, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
Great advice...I think Bill on this site is irritable because he owns a Bounder that gets about no miles per gallon.
I would be cranky, too....But he insists that that is how it is...Nope......The Sunrader has the superb engine and goes slowly. i don't mind....I simply must have 15-17 mpg or I will wind-up cranky like Bill....
I get cranky when people make absurd statements when talking about mileage. We were talking mileage on larger class C and class A coaches.
By simply doing a quick search I find that you are making up your facts.
"Based on data from 11 vehicles, 378 fuel-ups and 78,316 miles of driving, the 1983 Toyota Pickup gets a combined Avg MPG of 18.96 with a 0.21 MPG margin of error."
This is from http://www.fuelly.com/.
Now trying to convince us you have some kind of miracle rv  that overloaded and has a huge drag coefficient gets as good of mileage as a empty truck isn't working.
You were given some good information, use it or don't, I am going camping, good by.
Bill
 
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Sun2Retire on October 24, 2017, 10:56:01 AM
In accordance with forum rules let’s all address the facts and not personalities folks. Remember, this is the friendliest place on the web and we’re all here for the fun of it  :)
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: billwild on October 24, 2017, 01:02:34 PM
So desertguy24, there is all the help you can expect. Plan on about 8 mph. in an older class C. If that is no good, then buy a mini van.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: A Traveler on October 24, 2017, 06:34:45 PM
I always get a kick out of people who claim double-digit miles per gallon on a motor home. Listen carefully...it ain't gonna happen!

Yes, you might see 10+ mpg on a short segment of a trip that's downhill with a tailwind, but that's a very unusual situation. With 95,000 miles on our 42' diesel with a 400 hp Cummins ISL, driven as economically as possible, it has averaged 7.4 mpg. That is a REAL WORLD NUMBER that is as accurate as can be.

As another poster in this thread said, if you can't afford 5 to 8 mpg, you're wasting your time.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Gary RV_Wizard on October 24, 2017, 07:02:04 PM
Well, the old Dolphins and Sunraders on the little Toyota mini-truck chassis really did do better than 10 mpg. And the modern day Sprinter based coaches do as well.  So it's not really accurate to say that NO motorhome gets better than 10.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: TonyDtorch on October 24, 2017, 07:20:40 PM
I own two Sunraders one is a 1983 with a 22R motor 4-speed 21ft. The other is a 1988 with a 22RE, auto trans, it is 18ft. Runs strong with over 200,000 miles on it. Gets 17 mpg on the highway.
Chuck
(Random web posting)

It may actually get 17 mpg... but it will be at 54 mph on flat land with an egg under your foot.
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: WILDEBILL308 on October 24, 2017, 07:55:20 PM
Well, the old Dolphins and Sunraders on the little Toyota mini-truck chassis really did do better than 10 mpg. And the modern day Sprinter based coaches do as well.  So it's not really accurate to say that NO motorhome gets better than 10.
You are right Gary, I spoke to a camper last month when I was in Gettysburg PA. and he was excited to get 11-13 with his vintage Toyota camper. The average for a empty Toyota is only 18. So there is no way I can believe the wild mileage claims. I was excited that when I ran the numbers for the last 4400 miles it was 9.1. Now that's some wild mileage.
Bill
 
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: desertguy24 on November 04, 2017, 09:10:43 PM
My old Toyota Dolphin averaged 12-13 mpg. Slow as heck but putting gas in it was no biggie....
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: JudyJB on November 05, 2017, 01:48:38 AM
On the other hand, I am full-timing in a larger Class C, and I spent a whopping $218 in propane for all of 2016 to heat my home, cook, and heat water.  And I use about 15 gallons of water each day, not counting the load or two of laundry I do once a week at a laundromat.

So, how much do you spend each year on heating your home?  And how much water do you use?  My toilet uses only a cup or two to flush instead of the 1.4 gallons a home toilet uses.  Also, the average person uses 80-100 gallons of water per day, so I think my home is pretty efficient.  Hauling it around to moderate climates all year may cost in gas, but it sure saves on water and propane. 
Title: Re: older motor homes-jamboree, Tioga etc.
Post by: Spring Creek on November 05, 2017, 07:16:53 AM
For us, instead of stressing how much money we spend on fuel (and the RV payment), I've reviewed how much we spend on other things every month that we don't need.  We canceled the newspaper, Netflix, negotiated a better price for our cell phones, and skipped buying a new car and made repairs.

While I do calculate the mileage on every tank (no clue why; just like to know I guess), we have so much fun RV'ing, I couldn't tell you what we spend for fuel  ;D

Buy and go have fun!