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Title: Camping World Claim
Post by: Bill N on October 18, 2017, 07:14:45 AM
If any of you are baseball fans you will know that the league championships underway are being sponsored by Camping World (signs plastered on nearly every inch of the fences).  But I think they may be unfamiliar with the truth - or at least showing the ability to stretch it - when they announce that Camping World is the #1 Retailer of RVs SINCE 1966.  Do a little wikipedia search and you will see that is when the company was formed in a small store in Kentucky (IIRC).  I bought my first travel trailer in 1965 and joined Good Sam as a charter member in 1966 but it was many years before I ever heard of Camping World.  But who is to dispute some of the claims of Marcus Lemonis? Afterall business is business and shading the truth is part of it I guess.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Gary RV_Wizard on October 18, 2017, 07:50:12 AM
According to their Timeline, the first actual CW store was in 1973, but the retail store business began with a small RV parts & accessory store and campground in 1966.

http://www.campingworld.com/blog/post/celebrating-50-years-the-50-year-history-of-camping-world-and-good-sam/
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: SeilerBird on October 18, 2017, 07:52:42 AM
So they lied. It is the new normal in this country. :P
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Bill N on October 18, 2017, 08:18:02 AM
So they lied. It is the new normal in this country. :P

You mean we now have Fake Advertising?....lol  I think that has been around since the first ad was published.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: sadixon49 on October 18, 2017, 08:31:32 AM
Of course, the claim that they have been the largest RV seller since 1966 is patently false, but, and this is a big but, they have been in business since 1966 and they are the largest seller of RVs in the country. It's all in the way you say it.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Gary RV_Wizard on October 18, 2017, 08:36:35 AM
Well, since they were the only fairly large and dedicated RV store, since 1973 anyway, I think we could forgive some hyperbole. It is advertising, afterall.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: John From Detroit on October 18, 2017, 10:07:51 AM
So they lied. It is the new normal in this country. :P


More like they Exagarated. or perhaps "Used alternate facts" as someone is fond of saying.

The company started in 1966 and is TODAY the largest retailer of RV's.. 

But then remember.. Ad Claims are often inflated, in fact Murphy's laws say to discount all ad claims by at least half, and salesmen's claims by another half (3/4 total)... Or so says the book.

Murphy by the way.. Was a woman, no matter what the book says.. She made Chowder.  Overall chowder.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Rene T on October 18, 2017, 10:20:04 AM

Murphy by the way.. Was a woman, no matter what the book says.. She made Chowder.  Overall chowder.

http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-true.html
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: SeilerBird on October 18, 2017, 10:35:07 AM
http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-true.html
Rene you missed the joke:

http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/m/mrsmurphyschowder.shtml
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: markandkim on October 18, 2017, 10:44:06 AM
Doesn't matter, not allowed to shop there.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Larry N. on October 18, 2017, 11:10:39 AM
Rene you missed the joke:

http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/m/mrsmurphyschowder.shtml

So did I, Tom, until I went to your link. It says traditional children's song, but (maybe I'm too old) I've never encountered it before this. Besides, Murphy was an optimist, not a cook...  8) :o ::) ;D
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Rene T on October 18, 2017, 11:11:09 AM
Rene you missed the joke:

http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/m/mrsmurphyschowder.shtml

Went right over my head.  ;D :D ;) Thanks Tom
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Chet18013 on October 18, 2017, 12:08:06 PM
I had a good friend, now deceased, who used to work at Affinity corporate offices. That is the company that owns Good Sam, Camping World, etc. He stated to me several times, that to whole object, that was always stressed was the "bottom line" before any other consideration.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: maddog348 on October 18, 2017, 12:54:45 PM
Oh Lord ......  I AM old enough to get the joke AND remember the song  Was not a children's song at the time. Just a nonsense song to lighten the mood.   JM2  YMMV
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: NY_Dutch on October 18, 2017, 01:08:07 PM
Oh Lord ......  I AM old enough to get the joke AND remember the song  Was not a children's song at the time. Just a nonsense song to lighten the mood.   JM2  YMMV
I had a good friend, now deceased, who used to work at Affinity corporate offices. That is the company that owns Good Sam, Camping World, etc. He stated to me several times, that to whole object, that was always stressed was the "bottom line" before any other consideration.

Affinity Group was renamed to Good Sam Enterprises in 2011..
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Chet18013 on October 18, 2017, 01:24:18 PM
Affinity Group was renamed to Good Sam Enterprises in 2011..

Right. When my friend worked there, it was Affinity. It appears things haven't changed much since then.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: PJ Stough on October 18, 2017, 01:43:14 PM
Oh Lord ......  I AM old enough to get the joke AND remember the song  Was not a children's song at the time. Just a nonsense song to lighten the mood.   JM2  YMMV

I always thought the song to be an Irish drinking song.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: maddog348 on October 18, 2017, 03:26:37 PM
 Paul & Ann ....You are right.  Doesn't that lighten the mood ??  Family wasn't Irish ...but ...They did drink :o :o
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: therealsimpsons on October 18, 2017, 03:36:33 PM
I used to work for Consolidated Freightways which was founded in 1929 by Leland James. In 1982 they started a subsidiary named Con-Way freight. In 1996 they spun CF out of the holding company as an employee owned business. Cf went bankrupt and out of business in 2002, so Con-Way stated on their website that they were founded in 1929 by Leland James.

A local bank here was started in 1970 when Illinois was a "unit' banking state, meaning that banks could not have more than one location, and could not be a subsidiary of another bank or holding company. The law also meant that there could never be dual directors or officers. The local bank was started by owners of another bank in a neighboring city, secretly (the ownership was someone else on paper, etc.). When all of those laws were repealed in the late 80's, early 90's, the two banks eventually merged in to one with the same name. They merged with the name of the newer bank. Now their website says they have been in operation since 1906.

Two classic examples of outright lies by business in the name of "there is no teeth in the FTC anymore, so we will do whatever we want" syndrome.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: John From Detroit on October 18, 2017, 05:55:53 PM
Rene you missed the joke:

http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/m/mrsmurphyschowder.shtml

THanks Seller.. Yup, you got it.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 18, 2017, 09:02:14 PM
If any of you are baseball fans you will know that the league championships underway are being sponsored by Camping World (signs plastered on nearly every inch of the fences).  But I think they may be unfamiliar with the truth - or at least showing the ability to stretch it - when they announce that Camping World is the #1 Retailer of RVs SINCE 1966.  Do a little wikipedia search and you will see that is when the company was formed in a small store in Kentucky (IIRC).  I bought my first travel trailer in 1965 and joined Good Sam as a charter member in 1966 but it was many years before I ever heard of Camping World.  But who is to dispute some of the claims of Marcus Lemonis? Afterall business is business and shading the truth is part of it I guess.

Your disdain for Mr. Lemonis is is palpable.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Bill N on October 19, 2017, 09:40:07 AM
Your disdain for Mr. Lemonis is is palpable.
My disdain for lies is palpable.  My degrees are all in business related areas and though they were 'back in the day' I don't recall any course where I was taught to lie through your teeth to sell a product.  I know it is done on a daily basis but Mr Lemonis is only one small example of it.  I realize that it is the advertising agency that creates the tag lines but the buck has to stop at the top and Marcus loves to tell us he IS the top.......lol

I do a lot of business with Amazon yet it is owned by a person who I think makes Marcus look like the second coming of Christ.  Sometimes you just have to close your eyes and buy where it is best for you.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: TonyDtorch on October 19, 2017, 10:42:10 AM
We have a vote of what any business does....whether it's Camping World or the NFL.

Vote with your wallet.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Rene T on October 19, 2017, 10:51:13 AM


I do a lot of business with Amazon yet it is owned by a person who I think makes Marcus look like the second coming of Christ. 

And he's worth 90 billion. Richer than Bill Gates
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: TonyDtorch on October 19, 2017, 10:57:27 AM
And he's worth 90 billion. Richer than Bill Gates

That guy that raised the price of the AIDs drug by 5k % is a wealthy guy too.

He also had an MBA.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: PJ Stough on October 19, 2017, 10:59:54 AM
That guy that raised the price of the AIDs drug by 5k % is a wealthy guy too.

He had an MBA.

At least with Camping World and Amazon their businesses are controlled by the laws of supply and demand.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 19, 2017, 12:14:29 PM
My disdain for lies is palpable. 

Interesting.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 19, 2017, 12:19:48 PM
And he's worth 90 billion. Richer than Bill Gates

For 2017 Gates is #1 with $89b and Bezos (Amazon) is at #3 with $72b.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 19, 2017, 12:31:10 PM
That guy that raised the price of the AIDs drug by 5k % is a wealthy guy too.

He also had an MBA.

There's a butt load of rich people. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet give more money away every year than some small countries entire budgets. Oprah Winfrey and donald trump are tied in the money department at just a little over $3b each. Winfrey also gives quite a bit away. I just read that a NFL lineman has given his entire season paycheck, a little over $2m, to charities for under privileged youth college funds. Last year Colin Kaepernick gave a million dollars to several charities. It's nice to hear about folks that have money that use some of it to help others.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: PJ Stough on October 19, 2017, 12:44:33 PM
There's a butt load of rich people. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet give more money away every year than some small countries entire budgets. Oprah Winfrey and donald trump are tied in the money department at just a little over $3b each. Winfrey also gives quite a bit away. I just read that a NFL lineman has given his entire season paycheck, a little over $2m, to charities for under privileged youth college funds. Last year Colin Kaepernick gave a million dollars to several charities. It's nice to hear about folks that have money that use some of it to help others.

I agree.  It is my observation that there are two types of people when it comes to money.  Those that see money as a utility for the things that can be done with it, and those that see money  as an end unto itself.  It appears that that they worship money, and therefore money is their god, but as the Bible says in I believe 1Timothy 6-10.  "For the love on money is the root of all evil."
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: LarsMac on October 19, 2017, 01:12:15 PM
Well, I'll never set foot in a Camping World again, unless it is the absolute last resort for getting something that I cannot make do without.

Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 19, 2017, 02:10:50 PM
Well, I'll never set foot in a Camping World again, unless it is the absolute last resort for getting something that I cannot make do without.

That's what's great about the free market system. We don't have to shop at the company store. We don't drink Yuengling beer or eat at Chick Fil A. The only way we have to show our displeasure with a business is with our pocketbook.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: TonyDtorch on October 19, 2017, 05:43:30 PM
How's Colin doing now days ..... ;D
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 19, 2017, 05:52:53 PM
How's Colin doing now days ..... ;D

He has a net worth of about $25 million. So I would say he is doing fine. Kaepernick will do well in life. He has integrity. He doesn't need the NFL. He would like to play, but doesn't have to.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: TonyDtorch on October 19, 2017, 05:56:12 PM
Yea...it's kinda like many Americans voted with their wallets...(or pocketbooks )
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Bill N on October 20, 2017, 07:16:51 AM
He has a net worth of about $25 million. So I would say he is doing fine. Kaepernick will do well in life. He has integrity. He doesn't need the NFL. He would like to play, but doesn't have to.

Yes he does have integrity.  He places himself above his country.  Now he is filing suit saying the owners colluded against him but his record shows that he is nothing more than a subpar quarterback who made a major mistake and is trying to fit the square peg back into the round hole.  Ain't gonna happen.

To keep it on topic.  Did you know that baseballs Joe Maddon, manager of the Chicago Cubs was gifted a Winnebago a few months ago - by the company.  I am not a Maddon fan but wonder where the PR value is in that?  He does do a lot of RV traveling so maybe it will interest the MLB players to join him 'on the road'.   

Bill
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 20, 2017, 07:39:38 AM
Yes he does have integrity.  He places himself above his country.  Now he is filing suit saying the owners colluded against him but his record shows that he is nothing more than a subpar quarterback who made a major mistake and is trying to fit the square peg back into the round hole.  Ain't gonna happen.

To keep it on topic.  Did you know that baseballs Joe Maddon, manager of the Chicago Cubs was gifted a Winnebago a few months ago - by the company.  I am not a Maddon fan but wonder where the PR value is in that?  He does do a lot of RV traveling so maybe it will interest the MLB players to join him 'on the road'.   

Bill

Just the opposite. Kaepernick is a patriot using his First Amendment right to free speech to bring an injustice to the forefront. And the owners have every right to hire and fire (or not hire) anyone the want.

i can't answer what the PR value is. I don't know how popular Maddon is since I don't watch or follow any sports (too boring). Speaking of Major League Baseball, the Presenting Partner for the 2017 League Championship Series is none other than Marcos Lemonis AKA Camping World.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: NY_Dutch on October 20, 2017, 08:46:30 AM
I will never complain about someone exercising their constitutional rights, but I do wonder how many of us could get away with similar protests while on "company time" in our working lives.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 20, 2017, 09:50:39 AM
I will never complain about someone exercising their constitutional rights, but I do wonder how many of us could get away with similar protests while on "company time" in our working lives.

Very true. I spent the majority of my adult life in the military. The military is not a democracy. But when I worked for DoD I had more say. I walked out of meetings where the commander would start the meeting with a prayer. Not opposed to prayer, just not in the workplace.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Rene T on October 20, 2017, 10:13:36 AM
Just the opposite. Kaepernick is a patriot using his First Amendment right to free speech to bring an injustice to the forefront.

That will be the day I call him a patriot.  Look it up in the dictionary. A patriot is someone who fights, defends and if need be, lays down there life for his/her country. I have a word for people like him but I won't say it in this forum. You're not a patriot using his First Amendment Right. You are an America.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 20, 2017, 11:41:59 AM
That will be the day I call him a patriot.  Look it up in the dictionary. A patriot is someone who fights, defends and if need be, lays down there life for his/her country. I have a word for people like him but I won't say it in this forum. You're not a patriot using his First Amendment Right. You are an America.

According to the dictionary (and I consulted several) a patriot is:

a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.

a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: LarsMac on October 20, 2017, 12:02:20 PM
According to the dictionary (and I consulted several) a patriot is:

a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.

a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

That second one is a bit suspect, I think.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 20, 2017, 12:15:31 PM
That second one is a bit suspect, I think.
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a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

There are many that believe the 2nd Amendment was added just for this reason. I believe the First Amendment was inserted to defend our rights against interference by the federal government. Our right to peacefully protest is part of the First Amendment. We have the right to speak out against our government if we believe our rights are being abridged.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: aguablanco on October 21, 2017, 10:58:52 AM
That will be the day I call him a patriot.  Look it up in the dictionary. A patriot is someone who fights, defends and if need be, lays down there life for his/her country. I have a word for people like him but I won't say it in this forum. You're not a patriot using his First Amendment Right. You are an America.

There is also this definition.

noun
1.
a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2.
a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

Kind of sounds right to me.
RichH
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 21, 2017, 11:06:58 AM
There is also this definition.

noun
1.
a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2.
a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

Kind of sounds right to me.

These are the same definitions I found. Just because someone is acting in way you (not you but you in general) would or want others to, does not make them unpatriotic.
RichH
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: TonyDtorch on October 21, 2017, 04:08:12 PM
According to this....https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301 

a Patriotic American should stand for the playing of our national anthem.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Rene T on October 21, 2017, 04:55:05 PM
According to this....https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301 

a Patriotic American should stand for the playing of our national anthem.

Exactly.  :)) :)) :))  Along with 64% of Americans.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: PJ Stough on October 21, 2017, 05:06:22 PM
Exactly.  :)) :)) :))  Along with 64% of Americans.

But that doesnt mean if you dont stand you are not patriot.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: SeilerBird on October 21, 2017, 05:14:06 PM
I bet none of the people complaining about other people not standing for the National Anthem actually stand for the Anthem when it is played on TV.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Rene T on October 21, 2017, 05:15:40 PM
But that doesnt mean if you dont stand you are not patriot.

I started to write a reply but decided against it. It wouldn't make any of the non believers, believers so there's no point.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 21, 2017, 05:20:56 PM
According to this....https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301 

a Patriotic American should stand for the playing of our national anthem.

Did you know that until 2009 no NFL player stood for the National Anthem. All the teams stayed in the locker room until the pre game festivities were over. It was only when the DoD starting paying teams to stage on field "patriotic" ceremonies that teams lined up and stood for the Anthem. Many millions of dollars.
It's ironic that folks get so wrapped up in a mere symbol like the flag or a song. So much so that if someone doesn't do what they want them to, they call for those folks to lose their job. Because they think they are being unpatriotic. When in fact, by the mere act of taking a knee, an act that is a right outlined in the Constitution, a document that folks have actually lost their lives defending unlike a flag or a song, is unpatriotic. The act of protest is one of the most patriotic acts an American can take.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 21, 2017, 05:24:07 PM
According to this....https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301 

a Patriotic American should stand for the playing of our national anthem.


I started to write a reply but decided against it. It wouldn't make any of the non believers, believers so there's no point.

Look up the definition of should, may and will.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: TonyDtorch on October 21, 2017, 05:39:04 PM
IMO...That's the same bull crap as Bill Clinton's definition of what 'is' is.   
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 21, 2017, 05:42:01 PM
IMO...That's the same bull crap as Bill Clinton's definition of what 'is' is.   ...

You are entitled to your opinion. We all know what an opinion is; they are like ________, everybody has one and most stink.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: TonyDtorch on October 21, 2017, 05:50:28 PM
You are entitled to your opinion. We all know what an opinion is; they are like ________, everybody has one and most stink.

No,    Everyone else's stink.   No one ever thinks their own stinks.     ;D
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 21, 2017, 06:20:40 PM
No,    Everyone else's stink.   No one ever thinks their own stinks.     ;D

I don't know about that Tony. My wife will tell you I have some pretty foul opinions. Just not this one.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: TonyDtorch on October 21, 2017, 08:38:27 PM
I bet none of the people complaining about other people not standing for the National Anthem actually stand for the Anthem when it is played on TV.

I was surprised at my wifes Uncle's full 21 gun Military funeral when the Navy Commander presiding asked everyone to please stand,  and any active or prior military to please salute as the Navy Honor Guard played Taps.  ( a moving experience in person)

Being a patriotic American,   I was honored to both stand, and salute.



As I was the only one that saluted... the Commander came over to me after the ceremony as asked if I too was Navy.   When I replied "No Sir,  Army",    he jokingly said   "Well..Army is okay too"  and shook my hand.   ( it's a military thing )

So I thanked him for the fine ceremony and rifle salute,  and said I was a bit surprised...   I didn't even know the Navy had rifles.    8)

  thankfully,  The Commander laughed    ...                     
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Punomatic on October 21, 2017, 09:06:48 PM
I agree.  It is my observation that there are two types of people when it comes to money.  Those that see money as a utility for the things that can be done with it, and those that see money  as an end unto itself.  It appears that that they worship money, and therefore money is their god, but as the Bible says in I believe 1Timothy 6-10.  "For the love on money is the root of all evil."
Actually, 1 Timothy 6:10 says, "For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evils." There are lots of kinds of evil, and some of them are not rooted in the love of money, but plenty are. It's a fine point, I grant, but I just like to keep the record straight.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: aguablanco on October 21, 2017, 09:31:46 PM
I was vilified for not supporting our government during Viet Nam. You tell me which side was correct now that a few decades have passed. Protest is fundamental to our Republic and should always be so. I believe Great Britain thought the same about our founding fathers as some feel about the NFL players protests, which h have absolutely nothing to do with flags or anthems. Straw men are so easy to defeat, much easier than the actual reasons for a protest.
RichH
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: TonyDtorch on October 21, 2017, 10:40:10 PM
There were many very important people like Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford as well as much of Hollywood that protested our early involvement in WW2 .  they ended up being wrong.

 seconding guessing who was right or wrong may depend on if we won, or lost the war.

Thank you Rich,  I do remember being heckled in uniform during Vietnam,.... I guess I was one of the wrong ones.

Peace.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: aguablanco on October 21, 2017, 11:44:05 PM
There were many very important people like Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford as well as Hollywood that protested our involvement in WW2 .  they ended up being wrong.

 seconding guessing who was right or wrong may depend on if we won, or lost the war.

 I remember being heckled in uniform during Vietnam....so I guess I am the wrong one.

I also believe that both of those men were found to have had strong pro-nazi leanings. In case it matters, which it probably doesn't,  I said I was vilified for not supporting the government during VN, it had nothing to do with you personally, or the military in general. BTW I also served in the US Navy during VN, just not in theater. It is possible to discuss issues without personal attacks, or misconstruing statements. No one who serves this country honorably is wrong, however, that doesn't mean those in power weren't wrong or worse. To challenge another's patriotism is simply wrong without proper justification and I take offense at those among us who choose to do so. The military is there to protect and defend those who can't do so for themselves, not for self aggrandizement or thanks.
RichH
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Bill N on October 22, 2017, 07:54:15 AM
Noticed on the past couple of American League Championship games that the Camping World claim to be #1 since 1966 has been removed.  They must have been getting a lot of heat.

Bill
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Bill N on October 22, 2017, 07:57:51 AM

i can't answer what the PR value is. I don't know how popular Maddon is since I don't watch or follow any sports (too boring). Speaking of Major League Baseball, the Presenting Partner for the 2017 League Championship Series is none other than Marcos Lemonis AKA Camping World.

This was the point I made in starting this thread - that CW is sponsoring the baseball championship series.  Too bad you don't watch any sports but feel qualified to tell us how wonderful a kneeling quarterback is.  By the way, 25 million in professional sports is chump change these days.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Bill N on October 22, 2017, 07:59:59 AM
I bet none of the people complaining about other people not standing for the National Anthem actually stand for the Anthem when it is played on TV.

Do you?

Bill
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: SeilerBird on October 22, 2017, 08:01:56 AM
Do you?

Bill
No I don't and I am not complaining about Kapernick. He is covered under the first amendment and I believe in the Constitution, not what old 'patroits' tell me I should be thinking.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Bill N on October 22, 2017, 08:17:52 AM
No I don't and I am not complaining about Kapernick. He is covered under the first amendment and I believe in the Constitution, not what old 'patroits' tell me I should be thinking.
No need to get nasty with the 'old patriots' blast Tom.  It is not a matter of 1st Amendment or Constitution.  It is a matter of respect but it goes beyond that.  As an employee of an organization, you can be bound by the rules that an organization imposes on you.  The NFL has a weak sounding policy that states players SHOULD  stand so that pretty much is a nothing policy.  If your employer demanded that you stand as a part of your employment, you would either be unemployed or standing.  I am an old patriot Tom and having spent 20 years in the military I have much different feelings about the issue than you but agree that you are entitled to your opinion.  But, in my mind the whole issue is completely overblown by a media that looks for anything negative they can blow up into a major story.  The media today seems to be practicing a policy of hate and discontent and making sure this country is divided on so many levels:  man vs woman, black vs white; gay vs straight; bathroom use; gender ID, etc, etc.    Frankly I don't see any hope of the USA that I remember returning to it's former self.  Progress it may be but not in my eyes.  Enough from me before I get this whole thing locked down.  It has about reached its end anyway since the Camping World sponsorship has ended with game 7 or the ALCS last night.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: SeilerBird on October 22, 2017, 08:25:58 AM
Well it doesn't help when someone claims that NFL viewership is down because of this stupid controversy. The fact is that it was a dead issue until recently. People aren't tuning out the NFL because of this. They never broadcast the National Anthem except at the Superbowl so no one was seeing the protests. If my employer demanded I stand then I would stand. I stand anyway when I am at games. And I take off my hat and put my hand on my heart. But I could care less what anyone else does, it is none of my business.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Bill N on October 22, 2017, 08:40:54 AM
Well it doesn't help when someone claims that NFL viewership is down because of this stupid controversy. The fact is that it was a dead issue until recently. People aren't tuning out the NFL because of this. They never broadcast the National Anthem except at the Superbowl so no one was seeing the protests. If my employer demanded I stand then I would stand. I stand anyway when I am at games. And I take off my hat and put my hand on my heart. But I could care less what anyone else does, it is none of my business.
NFL attendance AND viewership are down because of THIS and OTHER controversies.  It has become known as the National Felons League.  Numerous polls show the decreases to be caused by various factors including the kneeling issue but also the number of criminal offenses by players has added to the NFL woes.  I quit watching 3 years ago.  Just got no enjoyment out of watching old men bang into each other.  College football - that is a different matter - enjoy it a lot.
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Oldgator73 on October 22, 2017, 08:41:47 AM
No need to get nasty with the 'old patriots' blast Tom.  It is not a matter of 1st Amendment or Constitution. It is a matter of respect but it goes beyond that.  As an employee of an organization, you can be bound by the rules that an organization imposes on you.  The NFL has a weak sounding policy that states players SHOULD  stand so that pretty much is a nothing policy. If your employer demanded that you stand as a part of your employment, you would either be unemployed or standing.  I am an old patriot Tom and having spent 20 years in the military I have much different feelings about the issue than you but agree that you are entitled to your opinion.  But, in my mind the whole issue is completely overblown by a media that looks for anything negative they can blow up into a major story.  The media today seems to be practicing a policy of hate and discontent and making sure this country is divided on so many levels:  man vs woman, black vs white; gay vs straight; bathroom use; gender ID, etc, etc.    Frankly I don't see any hope of the USA that I remember returning to it's former self.  Progress it may be but not in my eyes.  Enough from me before I get this whole thing locked down.  It has about reached its end anyway since the Camping World sponsorship has ended with game 7 or the ALCS last night.

But it is about the Constitution and the First Amendment.
Requiring one to stand would be forced patriotism. I really don't think anyone wants that. Well, North Korea.
Having served in the military does not give someone the right to claim more patriotism than those that did not serve. I served 24 years and have the direct opposite opinion as you. I really don't care if you like it or not that Kaepernick and now many others are taking a knee. And I am sure you don't care that I support them. There are many vets and vet organizations that support these folks right to take a knee. I hate it when military service is used as trump card for these types of issues. "I served in the military, therefore I am the only one that can be a patrio". BS
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: Bill N on October 22, 2017, 08:45:20 AM
As the originator of this thread I have requested it be locked by the moderators.  Camping World sponsorship has ended and the thread has drifted into completely different areas where all we are doing is banging heads.  Time to quit before it gets really nasty.

Bill
Title: Re: Camping World Claim
Post by: SargeW on October 22, 2017, 10:10:25 AM
Good idea. Lets get back to the important stuff, like which toilet paper is best........