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Title: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: Alpena Jeff on October 28, 2017, 03:17:53 AM
Any known lease or insurance restrictions?
Thanks as always! Jeff
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: Peteyboy on October 28, 2017, 06:51:53 AM
The only restrictions I can think of is it better look like it did when you bought it,,, no holes in the bumper cover and no base plate sticking out.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: SargeW on October 28, 2017, 06:54:19 AM
I doubt the lease company would be forward thinking enough to cover such a condition in their lease regulations. Any problems would probably be covered under a damage clause, if there was any as a result of the towing. That and you would need to have a baseplate installed, and depending on how it was done may constitute damage.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: catblaster on October 28, 2017, 08:31:55 AM
  Just one question, if you flat towed it wouldnt the milage still run us just as if you had driven it and then have to paid for milage.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: NY_Dutch on October 28, 2017, 08:39:23 AM
The electronic odometers on modern cars do not register when the ignition is off on nearly all cars used as toads.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: Gary RV_Wizard on October 28, 2017, 08:40:07 AM
No modern vehicle accumulates odometer mileage when being towed. The electronics that measure and record mileage are turned off.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: Alfa38User on October 28, 2017, 08:42:50 AM
  Just one question, if you flat towed it wouldnt the milage still run us just as if you had driven it and then have to paid for milage.

Not likely! Modern cars have electronic mileage counters and they do not operate while under tow in most cases. But any modifications required for towing 4down might be considered 'damage' by the rental company. The best bet to avoid problems is not to use a leased vehicle for towing.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: NY_Dutch on October 28, 2017, 08:51:17 AM
I doubt the lease company would be forward thinking enough to cover such a condition in their lease regulations. Any problems would probably be covered under a damage clause, if there was any as a result of the towing. That and you would need to have a baseplate installed, and depending on how it was done may constitute damage.

When the sales and service managers at the Toyota dealer where we bought our then new 2011 RAV4 were checking out my baseplate and Remco pump installation, I asked them about leasing and towing 4-down. The sales manager showed me a section of their lease regarding add-ons that most definitely did NOT allow the type of mods typically needed for a baseplate installation. Oddly, the Remco pump was allowed, since it didn't involve any structural alterations like drilling holes in the front sub-frame members or body modifications. They did admit that carefully removing the pump and baseplate, and replacing the plastic grill section that was modified would probably get the car past a post lease inspection though, since the drilled holes wouldn't be easily seen.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: John From Detroit on October 28, 2017, 10:40:12 AM
  Just one question, if you flat towed it wouldnt the milage still run us just as if you had driven it and then have to paid for milage.

Now in the old days.. of mechinical odometers.. YES
But in today's world of all electronic dashes.. I know of no car where the millage is counted unless the ignition is in the ON position..  And That includes reading posts from several others

On the last car I had with mechanical odometer.. I used a "Disconnect" system (Axle Lock since it was Front wheel drive) and towed with the tranny in PARK. no millage accrued.

With my current car (9 years newer) I tow in neutral with a lube pump but due to electronic sensors not being powerd on when towing (usually) No millage accrues UNLESS.. The blasted fuse blows on the lube pump or the pump fails.. Then I have to start the car.  And up goes the digits.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: Mile High on October 28, 2017, 12:51:07 PM
And because the mileage doesn't register, you have to assume a used vehicle with a base plate, or evidence of a base plate, has had additional wear and tear to some parts beyond what the odometer reads.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: RedandSilver on October 28, 2017, 05:11:48 PM
Any known lease or insurance restrictions?
Thanks as always! Jeff
Do you have a leased vehicle now or are you thinking about leasing one to use as a Toad?
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: Tom on October 28, 2017, 05:34:18 PM
Just curious ... U-Haul offers options to tow a car all-4-down, but I haven't seen them install a baseplate (doesn't mean they don't do it). So maybe this is what Alpena Jeff is thinking of doing  ???   I'd still check with the rental company to be sure it's OK with them and their insurance.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: Alpena Jeff on October 28, 2017, 06:53:37 PM
I ordered a 2018 Canyon. Deciding if I should buy or lease. I would put a base plate on it..
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: WILDEBILL308 on October 28, 2017, 08:08:51 PM
Did you order it from a leasing company? Or did you order it through the dealer? I have never heard of being able to order a  car then after it is in decide if you want to lease.
But then where are you that they didn't have enough inventory that you could find what you wanted in stock?
I am just spoiled we have 16 Chevrolet Dealers in the area (not including GMC) with the highest volume dealer in US, Classic.
Bill
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: Rene T on October 28, 2017, 09:29:46 PM
Use a tow dolly and all your problems are gone away. I think.   :o ::) :P
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: KandT on October 30, 2017, 08:09:45 PM
Why not just buy it?  Then you aren't sweating every possible ding or rock chip.  Better yet buy a used car as a toad - Those come pre scratched so there are no worries!  I wouldn't want to have something someone else decides whether or not I tow it or how many miles I drive it or if I spill my coffee in it or my kids ding it.......
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: Alpena Jeff on October 30, 2017, 08:17:16 PM
Sometimes I buy, sometimes I lease. Depends what makes more sense at the time. We were planning on buying this one, it will also be my daily driver. Then we bought a motorhome.... ;D
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: Alpena Jeff on October 30, 2017, 08:29:17 PM
Use a tow dolly and all your problems are gone away. I think.   :o ::) :P

Lol...I wish! ;D
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: GeorgeandTheBear on October 30, 2017, 09:40:49 PM
Use a tow dolly and all your problems are gone away. I think.   :o ::) :P
If it's an AWD car, most likely your problems will be just beginning.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: Ernie n Tara on October 31, 2017, 09:47:44 AM
At best the dolly comes with a new set of problems. :o

Ernie
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: CWSWine on October 31, 2017, 10:03:40 AM
I'm currently have a BlueOx setup on leased vehicle and if I want to turn it in I will have to remove the base plate and replace the plastic grill.  I will either pay it off or let one of kids, grand kids or employees buy it off lease.  Three year lease with 18,000 buy out on load Jeep Cherokee is good deal for someone and I get to take lease payments off my taxes since it really belongs to the business.
Title: Re: Can you flat tow a leased car?
Post by: CJBROWN on October 31, 2017, 11:13:55 AM
Hey, found a new website... and see some familiar names...

My toad is a lease, but will be buying out as soon as a buy payment equals the lease payment which is coming up pretty soon.

This is toad #4 I think, one of them was a Scion XB and when it got appraised at CarMax they spotted the baseplate and said they would not/could not appraise it or buy it since it was a toad. Automatic disqualification.

On my Subaru I traded in on the Colorado, nobody said anything - they paid off the lease and sold it to someone else.

The Colorado has zero mods on the front end other than the baseplate bolted on. The sockets stick through the grill opening without modification. Taillights are drilled for sockets but you would have to know they're there to see them.

Each place is going to have their specifications for this, so if you tow a lease car you should plan to remove any evidence that it was a toad, or buy it out rather than turn it in lease maturation.