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Title: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Alpena Jeff on November 10, 2017, 03:20:34 PM
Binge watching this series. This is what you did over there?
I was a year away from the draft. Jesus!   Without you Huey guys.... I have buddies that were there and speak of u heros. God bless you all!
I repeat...God bless you!
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Alpena Jeff on November 10, 2017, 03:37:32 PM
This is a tribute to all that served, all conflicts.
God bless you all!
Jeff
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: HueyPilotVN on November 10, 2017, 03:41:23 PM
Thanks for the blessing, but you got the hero thing backwards. 

The guys on the ground are the real Heros and especially anyone that never came back.

I was more like a Taxi driver.  I got to go back to a real bed at night, fly around in cool air conditioned comfort at altitude, and ate real food that usually did not come out of a box.

The Infantry is the heart of the army, the rest of us support them.

Anyway, thanks for the Veterans Day shout out.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Kevin Means on November 10, 2017, 03:53:17 PM
For those who haven't met him, Bill's a generous and humble guy. You should get him to tell you about his autorotation to the ground in Viet Nam. Most helo pilots never experience such emergencies, and many who have never lived through it.

Kev
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Alpena Jeff on November 10, 2017, 03:54:22 PM
I still don't understand how I never served. Late 60's early 70's are blurred out. Some of you will understand.
Bill. Heros all! You downplay your part but I know better.
I have friends still alive that were there. They were dead if guys like you did not lift them out.
This is a tribute to all that served.
God bless!!!!!
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: TonyDtorch on November 10, 2017, 04:47:45 PM
If you ever get a chance, go down to your local VA hospital and say thank you in person to some of those guys that are rolling through the halls.

 Wheel chairs everywhere,  you'll see a bunch of old Nam vets that are enjoying a place where they can finally be proud of their service... and the younger vets with missing legs.

We all gave some,  and some gave all.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Alpena Jeff on November 10, 2017, 05:03:33 PM
Just spent 20 minutes or so on the phone with Bill. Most humble, genuine person ever. So proud that he would even take the time to talk with me. Can't wait to meet him.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: HueyPilotVN on November 10, 2017, 05:08:17 PM
If you ever get a chance, go down to your local VA hospital and say thank you in person to some of those guys that are rolling through the halls.

 Wheel chairs everywhere,  you'll see a bunch of old Nam vets that enjoy a place where they can finally be proud of their service... and the younger vets with missing legs.

We all gave some,  and some gave all.


https://search.aol.com/aol/video?q=all+gave+some+some+gave+all&s_it=video-ans&sfVid=true&videoId=05CA44ADAB9AE8603B5E05CA44ADAB9AE8603B5E&v_t=loki-windoid



Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: More-Gas on November 10, 2017, 05:44:38 PM
Huey Pilots were fearless I cant explain how I felt when they came in to extract us from the bush. Thanks guys
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Wi1dBill on November 10, 2017, 05:53:01 PM
Bill is also a little bit of a Prankster.  Several years ago at Quartzsite, we met him.  I help him hook up his sewer line and 50 amp service in the middle of the desert. ::) ;D
You are totally correct about Bill being a nice guy. Our generator wouldn't work so he let us hook to his.  My wife still talks about the jeep ride out through the desert. 

So Bill have a super day tomorrow.

Wi1dBill

P.S. Bill, If you recall the arrow out in the desert.  Back in the early days of aviation these guy flew mostly by sighting landmarks.  Early airmail routes where marked, with arrows large enough to be seen from the air.  Some were concrete and some if concrete wasn't handy, stones like those near Quartzsite.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: HueyPilotVN on November 10, 2017, 05:58:36 PM
I cannot speak for the other guys, however I was not fearless.

But I was young, dumb, and foolish enough to believe that I was bulletproof.

PS:  I was bulletproof
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: catblaster on November 10, 2017, 06:03:46 PM
For those who haven't met him, Bill's a generous and humble guy. You should get him to tell you about his autorotation to the ground in Viet Nam. Most helo pilots never experience such emergencies, and many who have never lived through it.

Kev

and the ones that did have a back problem that plagues them the rest of their lives.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Photog on November 12, 2017, 11:02:24 AM
But I was young, dumb, and foolish enough to believe that I was bulletproof.
PS:  I was bulletproof
I thought I was bullet proof too, till I found out different. :)
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: mocotom on November 17, 2017, 06:01:20 PM
I started to watch this series with my wife but after the second night I decided to find something else to do.  She watched the rest of the series and said it was enlightening and well done. I wonder if it changed anyone mind as to what we went through over there. 
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: PJ Stough on November 17, 2017, 06:21:11 PM
What I got out of the series was a lot more back ground on the war, and some of the things that happened in the USA while I wasnt there. 
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: YLBlues on November 17, 2017, 09:10:35 PM
Binge watching this series.....

What series Jeff?
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 16, 2017, 09:34:10 AM
http://www.history.com/shows/vietnam-in-hd

Watch it and cry....that's what I did.

So many lives wasted on both sides,   I hate this time of the year,  I helped kill so many people during the Christmas bombings of 72.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: NY_Dutch on December 16, 2017, 09:59:04 AM
I tried to watch, but it brought back too many memories and nightmares. My eternal thanks to Bill and all the other Huey jocks for saving my bacon more than once though!
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Photog on December 16, 2017, 02:45:37 PM
My eternal thanks to Bill and all the other Huey jocks for saving my bacon more than once though!
X2
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Utclmjmpr on December 16, 2017, 05:32:53 PM
 Kevin,, Rotorwing pilots spend many many hours practicing autorotation under emergency conditions as a condition certification.. also they are tested at BiAnnual flight review time until its an automatic reaction..>>>Dan (33 year directer of maintenance of two commercial heli companies)
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Tom Hoffman on December 16, 2017, 08:15:53 PM
What I got out of the series was a lot more back ground on the war, and some of the things that happened in the USA while I wasnt there.

Just snuck a peak at your blog,  come to Yuma AZ we have warm weather year around although some would call summer blisterlingly HOT 8)
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 16, 2017, 08:58:22 PM
What I got out of it was how I was fooled by our government into thinking I was doing the right thing.  Never again.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Tom Hoffman on December 16, 2017, 09:10:54 PM
What I got out of it was how I was fooled by our government into thinking I was doing the right thing.  Never again.

x2  I even volunteered for the Marines and to go to Viet Nam.  Some Senior Trip
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: PJ Stough on December 16, 2017, 09:20:33 PM
What I got out of it was how I was fooled by our government into thinking I was doing the right thing.  Never again.

What you describe is what I call, for lack of a better term, "buyers remorse", which I believe is the number one cause of PTSD, but is not recognized by the VA.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: PJ Stough on December 16, 2017, 09:22:16 PM
Just snuck a peak at your blog,  come to Yuma AZ we have warm weather year around although some would call summer blisterlingly HOT 8)

 :))
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Tom Hoffman on December 16, 2017, 09:23:32 PM
The Bellamy Brothers said it best.

He was sure back in the sixties
That everyone was hip
Then they sent him off to Vietnam
On his senior trip
And they force him to become a man
While he was still a boy
And behind each wave of tragedy
He waited for the joy
Now this world may change around him
But he just can't change no more
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Bill N on December 17, 2017, 07:30:36 AM
This is an interesting thread from the guys who were there.  I spent my time in a Minuteman Missile Launch Control Center in South Dakota but tried to keep up on what was going on in Vietnam.  I recently came across a great book that describes what was going on at the top.  I will admit I have read only about 30 percent of the book (on Kindle) because I got so darned mad I just shut it down.  Some day I will try and finish it when I have more patience.  For those interested the book is:

Dereliction of Duty by H.R. McMaster.  Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies That Led to Vietnam

It is available at Amazon  and is well documented.  Be prepared to be disappointed at how we got into that war and how we managed to lose 50,000+ troops fighting it - all for political hacks.

Bill
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 17, 2017, 09:10:34 AM
The whole nation was misled for years.

My wife and daughter leave the house now when ever I watch a Vietnam documentary,   Something changed after I saw the CNN special of the 40th anniversary of the Fall of Vietnam.  I saw the hard work I did for 3 years be erased.

I thought of all that everyone gave, not just the troops, but the moms and dads, brothers, sisters friends  ... for absolutely nothing. 

Thank you anyway Bill,     I don't want the rage I'd get from reading that book.

 It's over and can't be changed,  I am working on letting it go now.. (With the help of good music, cold beer and a Park Lane cigarette.    ;) )
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Frank Hurst on December 20, 2017, 12:14:44 AM
I couldn’t watch it. I watched a little and then could not sleep for two nights. 
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Old_Crow on December 20, 2017, 06:55:26 AM
Yeah, that's me too.  I can watch stuff on both the WW's and Korea without much problem, but the Viet Nam stuff keeps me up at night.  Guess that's why our parents and Gparents never talked about "their" wars.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 20, 2017, 08:52:54 AM
Yeah, that's me too.  I can watch stuff on both the WW's and Korea without much problem, but the Viet Nam stuff keeps me up at night.  Guess that's why our parents and Gparents never talked about "their" wars.

 Growing up as a young boy I watched and worshiped every war movie. I enjoyed playing Army my friends and I just assumed every generation of boys would have to march off to the horrors of war.  So when my time came, I did my part without question because it was for America. 

I think my Social Security checks have changed how I feel about all 'war movies'.

I had to sit in the theater and collect myself after Private Ryan asked his wife if he was worth it. 

 ( made me think of a wonderful guy I knew...that died for nothing ).



 
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Heli_av8tor on December 20, 2017, 09:03:08 AM
The company I served with trained together as a unit in the States for the mission. They traveled to Vietnam on a ship and made a beach landing at Chu Lai in 1967. One of the "boat people" as we call them wanted the group to keep in touch and has put countless hours in tracking down all who served with this company. It started with just the boat people but later expanded to all the replacements in the five years it was deployed. They started having biannual reunions and have switched to annual.

I've been to 5 of them. I was very reluctant but my wife encouraged me to attend. There were only a few that I knew at that gathering. The next one there were nine of us who had been in the same platoon. What a great time we had. The 40+ years that most of us had no contact melted away in seconds. The bonds we'd formed were intact.

Overall it's been a good healing experience. I was one of the fortunate ones that was able to leave RVN behind and return to the life I'd left behind in the States. Not that there were no demons, but they were successfully buried. The reunions have brought some of that to the present, but it's been ok. I'm now comfortable with talking about the experience but my eyes likely won't stay dry.

The Series:  Though they tried to portray the series as unbiased I felt it was still had a leftist slant. Even so it still gave me a better understanding of just what was going on in Washington and the country. The parts with Johnson, Nixon, and Kissinger pissed me off to the point that I had to walk away. I knew from my viewpoint on the ground that we were not fighting to win. But I didn't realize just how true this was.

After I returned I was in a (dirt competition) motorcycle club. There I met an active duty Colonel who worked in Finance. He told me that as a Lieutenant in 1953 (could have been '54) he was sent to Chu Lai to purchase the land that became our base there. Said it was funny how all that land changed hands just before the purchase. Some Vietnamese got very rich. I was stunned that our involvement went back to the early Eisenhower administration and that they planned then to get involved.

Vietnam will always be a part of who I am, but I have refused to let it define me.

Too bad this country hasn't learned from the RVN mistakes...

Tom (Doc)
B, 1/52, 198, Americal Div
70-71
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 20, 2017, 10:10:08 AM
there is a new series on TV called   "The long Road home".

I can't watch that either....I tried, I can't.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Sam Bar on December 20, 2017, 06:32:30 PM
I’m sorry I can’t quite relate, but my Dad, said the coldest he had ever been, was on a cot in the Korean War. My wife’s grandfather stormed Normandy, and survived. Later in his career, he was scheduled to go on the Thresher, later, but gave up his spot for a friend who needed extra pay.
Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Tom Hoffman on December 20, 2017, 11:22:20 PM
Something I wrote in a few minutes after a very intense moment....



Old Stuff and Memories
Copyright© 2014
by T Hoffman


Old Stuff and Memories. A moment in time...

Today...

My wife of 21 years let me know in no uncertain terms that we were going to clean off the top of our closet where STUFF had lain in repose for seven long years undisturbed since we moved to our Cabin on The Wapsi Pinicon River in Eastern Iowa.

I knew better than to show my dissent to this invasion of my reading time.
As the boxes and old pictures came down to my hands, I dutifully put them on the bed for further examination and disposal as she would deem necessary to further storage, display or disposal as the case might be.

I was looking at the pictures in their frames, the Tiger on Black Velvet and the Polar Bear and Wolves, I had bought in Da Nang, Vietnam in 1968, the memories started to intrude unbidden into my mind. I started to think back just a little.

I finally came to a large double cardboard sheaf sealed around the edges. I asked her what it was.

"It's that picture you'd never let me hang, you know, the one I got you right after we got married."

I vaguely remembered something, but could not remember that picture. I took a razor knife and slit the tape around the edges. I lifted the top cover from the picture and what I saw almost brought me to my knees. Pain washed over me, my tears started to flow and I was overcome with grief. I don't remember the last time I cried.

I am now almost 69 years old and the Memories are over 46 years old. I can't believe they still hurt so much.

The Picture...

As I opened the package what I saw that had so strongly affected me was a picture of "The Wall". I have to this day never been able to go to The Wall. This picture showed a middle aged man leaning on The Wall with his hand on a name as the emotions almost caused him to collapse, arrayed along the base of The Wall are small mementos, Flags and Flowers. Shown in the reflection of the shiny black marble are the images of several young Marines reaching toward the man and one is pressing his hand against the hand of the man sobbing brokenly against The Wall.

This was the picture...


Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: kdbgoat on December 21, 2017, 05:42:02 AM
Crying...
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Heli_av8tor on December 21, 2017, 06:53:28 AM
T.H., I have that picture hanging in my den. It is very powerful and a reminder of the survivors guilt many of us have dealt with.

I've been to several of the traveling walls and also to the real one in DC. Very emotional every time. I would urge you to go.

BTW, I've spent many nights in tents, campers, and a cabin on the Wapsi between Calamus and Wheatland. Learned to hunt in the timbers along the river. Good memories.

Tom
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Tom Hoffman on December 21, 2017, 12:54:11 PM
Tom...

I have never heard of Calamus-Wheatland Ia.  I looked it up on Google map and must have driven close dozens of time as I would drive down through the country to work in Clinton once a month or so.  I worked for a company who was a Hy-Vee supplier.

  I just got a issue covered that had been hanging for 48 years with the VA.  We are now in Yuma and the VA local clinic is completely hopeless.  I hope you don't have to deal with them.  My wife wants me to go to the Wall, PTSD is making it not doable right now.   

We are going to Hawaii on a cruise on Jan 17 and she wants to see Pearl Harbor and the Arizona and I am pretty sure that is a non starter for me too.  Oh'well it is what it is.  I am on med for the PTSD that has saved our marriage as it was teetering on the edge this past summer.  Now I don't get angry or irritated near as much.  Problem was I could never figure out why I would get angry when I got close to home?  It should have been just the opposite.

Cheers Brother

Tom...
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 21, 2017, 03:59:17 PM
Hey Tom:

 I have a VA shrink appt. coming up in a couple days. 

 I've tried some of the anti-deps before with not good results and the VA really wants me to quit Alcohol/Weed.  It's very impolite for me to ask....... but what is the name of that medicine   ?

Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Tom Hoffman on December 21, 2017, 07:40:19 PM
Hey Tony,   Good of you to chime in.  I saw and independent Head Dr  last summer he saw me as a Christian mission to Vets.  He did an in depth PTSD evaluation.  It was submitted to the VA and a 29 minute follow up with the VA Head Doc in Ia City and I gott the help I had been arguing for for 30 years and two other marriages down the tubes.

He started me off with 50mg Zoloff increasing to 200mg over 6 weeks.  Worked great, I just tottered around and when I tried to eat, my fork on the plate sounded like I was playing the " Anvil Chorus", because my hands shook so bad.  I was real mellow, one small side effect, wife didn't have to worry about me chasing her around the TT.  HaHaHa.

My own Dr. saw the shaking and asked if I wanted it to stop and still have a med for the PTSD.  He prescribed ESCITALOPRAM 10MG TAB 1per day.  Shakes are gone, wife is still with me and it is a $6. per month drug. I get it at the WalMart Pharmacy.  Now she has to worry!!!  HaHa...

Hope this helps Brother

Tom...
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 22, 2017, 09:11:45 AM
Thank you Tom.

ESCITALOPRAM.   I will bring it up with the head Dr.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Heli_av8tor on December 22, 2017, 10:16:28 AM
Glad you both are getting what you need. Too bad it took so long.

I've had nothing but praise for the Iowa City VA Hosp and Clinic in Bettendorf.

Tom D
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 22, 2017, 10:22:00 AM
The VA health system has improved in recent years.    Long ago I went to visit a friend and I swore I'd never set foot in a VA hospital again.  I just figured we all got screwed again.
Title: Re: Bill Waugh-Vietnam series on HD
Post by: Tom Hoffman on December 22, 2017, 11:24:05 AM
Glad you both are getting what you need. Too bad it took so long.

I've had nothing but praise for the Iowa City VA Hosp and Clinic in Bettendorf.

Tom D

The Waterloo Local Clinic is top notch and the Iowa City Hospital is as well.

T...