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Title: WATER
Post by: ditsjets7 on December 01, 2017, 09:13:27 AM
Hi All, so in planning our first big trip with our newly acquired motor home. It is not until March nut during the course of a week we will leave upstate NY, travel about 1,500 miles over the course of a week with about 5 stops including family and other great events.

We have a 2003 Coachmen Leprechan ( 31 foot). First, I am not sure the size of the water tank. my question is it safe, ideal to carry some water in the tank from one destination to the next? I want to be sure I am not putting any undo strain or risk of damage. I would like to have some water for dishes and maybe a quick shower. Some of our stops have water but two will not. Thanks in advance.

Mike
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: Robert K on December 01, 2017, 09:23:51 AM
I always carry water most of the time a full tank. I would think your tank would be designed to carry full also. If not there should be a warning label somewhere.
We leave western ny in middle of  Feb
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Post by: kdbgoat on December 01, 2017, 09:27:23 AM
The water tank in our Leprechaun is about 45 gallons. We carry water all the time. Sometimes only about 10 or 15 gallons to get us to a place with water at the site, but we have started out out with a full tank on a trip when we knew we wouldn't have hook-ups for 4 days. Ours is under the bed, so it probably wouldn't stand much chance of freezing as long as we kept the RV warm inside. You can always prop the mattress up while traveling to get heat in there.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: rockin rockwood on December 01, 2017, 09:32:33 AM
 Absolutely, fill it up. Before you leave youll want to sanitize the tank and water lines with bleach. I believe it's 1/4 cup per 15 gallons. Fill tank and run it thru the sinks etc till you can smell it. Let it sit there for a couple hours then rinse a couple times. Then fill it up and go
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: ditsjets7 on December 01, 2017, 09:35:52 AM
Absolutely, fill it up. Before you leave youll want to sanitize the tank and water lines with bleach. I believe it's 1/4 oz. per 15 gallons. Fill tank and run it thru the sinks etc till you can smell it. Let it sit there for a couple hours then rinse a couple times. Then fill it up and go

Thanks guys! Awesome!
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: SeilerBird on December 01, 2017, 09:44:36 AM
I have never once thought about how much water was on board before moving my RV. I can't think of anything less important to worry about.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: ditsjets7 on December 01, 2017, 09:48:42 AM
I have never once thought about how much water was on board before moving my RV. I can't think of anything less important to worry about.

I am new to all this. I figured since water weighs 8 lbs per gallon it was a worthy question. Just want to avoid causing self-inflicted problems
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Post by: skydivemark on December 01, 2017, 09:50:15 AM
We always fill fresh water before departing. Never gave it a second thought.
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Post by: SeilerBird on December 01, 2017, 10:12:44 AM
I am new to all this. I figured since water weighs 8 lbs per gallon it was a worthy question. Just want to avoid causing self-inflicted problems
This subject has come up many times here. Some people actually think filling the water tank will reduce your gas mileage, which it will not do. And some people think that driving with an empty tank could be a disaster if you arrived somewhere and there was no water available. Both sound too ridiculous to worry about. But you are not alone, many other people have the same question.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: Frank Hurst on December 01, 2017, 10:47:41 AM
I was on my was to Tuscaloosa, AL when a tornado hit. I was able to get into a campground but there was no power or water for 2 days. I was glad I had 2/3 tank of water and a full fuel tank. Never wrong to be prepared.
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Post by: spencerpj on December 01, 2017, 10:50:15 AM
You have 36.5 Gal of fresh water.  Absolutely fill it up with water, they are made for that.  Maybe some older camper with rusted out underflooring, then I'd be leary about traveling with full tanks

Here is a link with great info for your RV.  scroll t the bottom, and all the specs you ever need
https://www.fmcmagazine.com/back-issues/134-2007-back-issues/march-2007/2135-coachmen-leprechaun.html
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: SeilerBird on December 01, 2017, 11:53:30 AM
And now you have answered my next question so thank you. I figured with approximately 360 additional lbs for a 45 gallon tank that would cause the gas mileage to decline. You say no so that's good enough for me.

I don't ever tow but many people here claim that when towing a 3000 pound vehicle behind their class A that their gas mileage only drops about a half a mile per gallon, so a few hundred pounds of water won't make any difference at all. Gas mileage is determined mainly by two factors, the wind resistance and how heavy you right foot is.

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Now that you got me thinking about gas mileage that leads me to these questions.
Class C 31 Foot.. Ford Triton V-10. What speed should I travel at to maximize my gas mileage. is 65mph good? is 10 MPG realistic to achieve?
I have no idea because I always travel between 50 and 55 mph. Basically buying an RV and worrying about gas mileage is about as senseless as marrying Dolly Parton and worrying if she is a good cook.

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Tires. My tires are two years old. I was told 55 PSI is idea. Question, what, where do I get an extension for the tires to check the pressure and fill them if need be?
I would recommend getting the rig weighed and checking the manufacturers tables for weight rather than the number quoted by a friend or what is on a sticker. That will be more exact and give you the best handling.

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Thanks again for helping out this former Veteran pop-up camper and now Rookie at motor Homing!
You are welcome.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: NY_Dutch on December 01, 2017, 12:08:42 PM
We leave upstate NY in January enroute to Florida. We always fill the water tank to the top, and even in -4 below F weather, we haven't had any problems. We have however, arrived at parks along the way to find that their water was either off for the winter or frozen.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: RVRAC on December 01, 2017, 12:27:02 PM
Welcome to the forum.

It all depends on how much your unit weights and how much load you will have on the rear axle. Leprechauns do not have a lot of space on rear axle weight limit.  I know, I have one. 

If filling the water tank takes you over the rear axle weight limit, don't do it.  I will put all the things and people doing the trip in the unit, go to a certified scale and weight the unit.  If you are at, too close, or over the rear axle weight limit, only put a few gallons of water.  Otherwise, you are looking for trouble. MHO
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: Rene T on December 01, 2017, 12:53:59 PM
As far a sanitizing, the formula is 1/4 CUP for every 15 gallons of water not 1/4 oz.  I fill the tank and run it through all the faucets till I smell bleach. Also fill the water heater and run it through all the hot water faucets. Don't forget the ice maker, the toilet and the outside shower.  Then I usually add another 1/4 cup of bleach and top off the tank again and let it set a couple of days before dumping.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: newfurrows on December 01, 2017, 12:58:39 PM
Here in Canada our water is 10 pounds per gallon and we still don't worry about it.  Fill the tank and have fun.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: rockin rockwood on December 01, 2017, 01:07:38 PM
  Good eye Rene T
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Post by: Rene T on December 01, 2017, 01:18:54 PM
  Good eye Rene T

You should be able to go back and fix it.
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Post by: John From Detroit on December 01, 2017, 05:12:39 PM
Is it safe? That is what is is for.

How much? Good question

I tanked up in Mi, Now I've been drinking from the same water system all summer. This was on a Monday.. That Thursday I pulled into S.Carolina, did not refill.. Last week, also on Thursday I finally ran out (80 gallons)( that was 3 weeks plus 3 days on 80 gallons.. This week, also on Thursday, I ran out, that's 7 days on one tank.. Yes. I spent a lot of time Sitting in a specific location last weekend.

Have fun figuring out how much water you need.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: OLDRACER on December 01, 2017, 06:39:13 PM
Wait a minute, Upstate New York, March, water, below freezing????? Possible problem.

As far as carrying 50 gallons of water versus 50 gallons of air, which will possibly be more useful to you at your destination or along the way?  Which is available in an emergency?

Easy answers to simple questions.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: maddog348 on December 01, 2017, 07:26:32 PM
newfurrows ~~ WHY does water weigh so much more in Canada ???  8.33/# US  or is it just that much more expensive???  Just curious.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: Stephen S. on December 01, 2017, 07:37:33 PM
newfurrows ~~ WHY does water weigh so much more in Canada ???  8.33/# US  or is it just that much more expensive???  Just curious.

Imperial Gallon is based on 10 pounds of water at a certain temperature. The Standard US Gallon is about 80% of that, and based on volume.

Title: Re: WATER
Post by: maddog348 on December 01, 2017, 09:37:24 PM
THanks ~~ something new every day.  Hope there isn't a quiz
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: schoolsout2 on December 02, 2017, 10:39:05 AM
1500 miles in 7 days?  That will be about 5 hours on the road 5 o 7 days.  Plus setup.  Makes for short visits and not much time for fun.  Hope the 1500 is round trip.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: ditsjets7 on December 02, 2017, 10:40:10 AM
1500 miles in 7 days?  That will be about 5 hours on the road 5 o 7 days.  Plus setup.  Makes for short visits and not much time for fun.  Hope the 1500 is round trip.

Round trip yes. Loop.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: spacenorman on December 02, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
We start every trip with a full tank of fresh water (100 gallons).   We also dump the holding tanks and refill the fresh water tank every time we leave a campground.   You just never know what may happen along the way.  Having fresh water and empty holding tanks puts you in the position to be flexible along the way if it becomes necessary.    We're in a 44' DP with a tag axle.  The unit has a Net Carrying Capacity of 6,771 lbs.   We're never anywhere near that in terms of load - so the 830 lb weight of a full tank of fresh water hasn't really been much of a concern.  We've never noticed a discernable impact on our mileage.   
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: rls7201 on December 03, 2017, 07:34:54 PM
Imperial Gallon is based on 10 pounds of water at a certain temperature. The Standard US Gallon is about 80% of that, and based on volume.

Why do you mention the imperial gallon (4.54 liters not weight)? Hasn't Canada been on the metric system for many years? Or haven't you heard about the change yet?

Title: Re: WATER
Post by: Alfa38User on December 04, 2017, 08:35:07 AM
Because some of us 'old farts' still think of in terms or Imperial Gallons (160 liquid oz. ) when comparing to the the US gallon (128 oz) and miles instead of Kilometers when traveling in the USA. We are "flexible" heh heh.... 8)
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: catblaster on December 04, 2017, 04:55:52 PM
newfurrows ~~ WHY does water weigh so much more in Canada ???  8.33/# US  or is it just that much more expensive???  Just curious.

Canadian water comes from glacier ice and everyone knows that ice weighs more that liquid water. anyone that has been hit with a snowball vs a glass of water can testify to that!!  Just kidding but I needed a laugh even if I am laughing by myself

I fill my water tanks before leaving the house mainly because I hate the taste of water in the few campgrounds I have been to. besides it is good the have a cup of coffee on the road or while waiting on I-95 traffic to clear.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: Larry N. on December 06, 2017, 08:13:49 PM
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and everyone knows that ice weighs more that liquid water.

So therefore the water floats on the ice... :o ::)
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Post by: decaturbob on December 06, 2017, 08:56:32 PM

Basically buying an RV and worrying about gas mileage is about as senseless as marrying Dolly Parton and worrying if she is a good cook.


amazing and awesome reply
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: ditsjets7 on December 06, 2017, 09:01:21 PM
So therefore the water floats on the ice... :o ::)

Wow, I will buy all of these. Thank you very much!!!!

Mike
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: Lou Schneider on December 07, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
I moved the tire topics to their own discussion, they are available here (http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,110691.0.html)

Lou
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: KandT on December 07, 2017, 09:50:02 PM
 about as senseless as marrying Dolly Parton and worrying if she is a good cook.

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You are dating yourself a little Seilerbird.  She is 71 now so actually I would be interested in her club sandwich.   ;) ;)
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: newfurrows on December 08, 2017, 11:10:05 AM
and now no one thinks science can be funny.
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: HitNtheroad on December 16, 2017, 02:14:16 PM
This has been great information for this newbie...so thank you all for the information. I live in Oklahoma but will be leaving for NJ next week. Temps are expected to be pretty cold and I was concerned about water lines and freezing while running down the road. Is the ambient heat in the unit enough to keep the water lines fluid? Anything else I may need to consider? This will be my first long distance trip and my first trip in cold/winter weather.  Any other advice anyone can offer about traveling in the cold/snow in a class C would be appreciated!
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Post by: rockin rockwood on December 16, 2017, 05:55:05 PM
I'm in Galloway NJ now. Also my first time winter camping. I'm in a class A mh. My water supply is attached inside a bay door. I have a 100 watt light bulb running 24/7 for a heat source, and heat tape running along the length of the hose with pipe insulation on top. The first night when it got down in the low 20's, I turned the water off and blew out the lines as a precaution. Since then I noticed that Noone else was doing any prep like that. Since then I haven't done anything other than run the bathroom sink at a trickle with no problems
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Post by: HitNtheroad on December 16, 2017, 06:32:38 PM
Thanks for the info. I bought a 50' heated water hose so hopefully I will be good in that department. I was more concerned with driving down the road with water in the tank but that has been addressed. I appreciate this thread and all of the knowledgeable info posted. Thanks again!
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Post by: WILDEBILL308 on December 16, 2017, 07:22:50 PM
Thanks for the info. I bought a 50' heated water hose so hopefully I will be good in that department. I was more concerned with driving down the road with water in the tank but that has been addressed. I appreciate this thread and all of the knowledgeable info posted. Thanks again!
When it is real cold, fill your fresh water tank disconnect the hose and put it inside and close your black and gray water tanks. I would also drain any water out of the sewer hose so it doesn't freeze into one big icicle. 
I would run the furnace to give you enough heat if it is riley cold. The furnace should blow some heat to the wet area to prevent it from freezing. I also leave the hot water heater on propane for the same reason + I like to have hot water to wash my hands after a pit stop.

With your rig 10mpg might be doable but be happy if it is 8-9.
Bill
Title: Re: WATER
Post by: HitNtheroad on December 17, 2017, 04:22:45 PM
When it is real cold, fill your fresh water tank disconnect the hose and put it inside and close your black and gray water tanks. I would also drain any water out of the sewer hose so it doesn't freeze into one big icicle. 
I would run the furnace to give you enough heat if it is riley cold. The furnace should blow some heat to the wet area to prevent it from freezing. I also leave the hot water heater on propane for the same reason + I like to have hot water to wash my hands after a pit stop.

With your rig 10mpg might be doable but be happy if it is 8-9.
Bill

Thanks Bill. Those are some great tips. Just what I was looking for. I appreciate all the information!
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Post by: Charger1204 on December 19, 2017, 05:11:39 AM
I've found through trial and error that having a full or at least 3/4 full tank of water actually makes may rig handle a little better...but I tend to pay attention to every little noise and movement as it pertains to the rig as well as my other vehicles. I don't like strange movement or unusual noises when I drive anything, my dad taught me that through 40+ years as a truck driver...always know your rig and what it's supposed to sound/feel like when you're driving.
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Post by: HitNtheroad on December 19, 2017, 07:35:13 AM
Yeah...I drove an ambulance for many years and was always super cautious with noises my truck made as well as what it felt like as pertaining to handling. I was taught to drive and corner as if my "family heirloom grandfather clock were being transported and could not tipped over"...LOL! My rig handles exactly like our ambulances did so I am very comfortable driving it. I will definitely start driving with some water in the tank though...thanks for the suggestion.
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Post by: WILDEBILL308 on December 19, 2017, 11:25:44 AM
Yeah...I drove an ambulance for many years and was always super cautious with noises my truck made as well as what it felt like as pertaining to handling. I was taught to drive and corner as if my "family heirloom grandfather clock were being transported and could not tipped over"...LOL! My rig handles exactly like our ambulances did so I am very comfortable driving it. I will definitely start driving with some water in the tank though...thanks for the suggestion.
I don't think you will be able to tell any change. It will give you the flexability of having water when you need it. I know some people claim they never had a problem but I might just be lucky. Had a campground loose power and coulden't pump water and the outher big thing(free tip of the day) you have water that is drinkable. I have made the practis to flush out the line when I hook up the hose before conecting to the coach. I allso taste the water if it is to bad and we are just overnighting I will just run off my onboard tank.
Have fun and Merrey Christmas.
Bill
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Post by: HitNtheroad on December 21, 2017, 02:09:06 PM
I have a filter pitcher that I drink water from. Travels well but again this will be my first longer trip. Really looking forward to this week on the road. Hopefully the weather will play nice😬
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Post by: WILDEBILL308 on December 21, 2017, 09:41:44 PM
Great, where are you headed?
Bill
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Post by: HitNtheroad on December 22, 2017, 09:37:52 PM
Heading out to NJ to pick up my kiddo. Dual purpose trip to help a friend bring her very ill brother to OK. Making round trip 2600 miles in 6 days. Should be interesting 😬
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Post by: WILDEBILL308 on December 23, 2017, 11:37:07 AM
Drive carefully that is a long trip in a short time. At least 8 1/2 hours a day just driving. For /planning I use the average of 50mph as a base number. I have found it to be pretty accurate. It doesn't matter what the speed is you average 50. Remember to take stops about every hour to walk around. 
Make shure your propane tank is full before you leave so you can run your furnace if you need it to stay warm.
I am spoiled now I don't like to drive over 300-350 miles a day. The goal is to be set up in a campsite before happy hour. ;)
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Post by: HitNtheroad on December 23, 2017, 11:29:17 PM
Good advice sir. If I could take more time to enjoy the drive I certainly would. My friend and I are tag-teaming the driving. We will be switching  out frequently to prevent fatigue. I will definitely have full tank of propane.  Heading out Wednesday...just hope the weather will play nice😎
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Post by: WILDEBILL308 on December 24, 2017, 08:58:40 PM
Safe travels and Merry Christmas.
Bill
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Post by: HitNtheroad on December 25, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
Merry Christmas!