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Title: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Arbys on December 05, 2017, 05:32:53 PM
Has anyone had any experience crossing the border from the USA into Canada with a DUI on their record?  I have one (0.082... yes, I'm guilty, I made a bad decision) and I've read this can be an issue when entering Canada. I figured this would be a good place to ask.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Paul 1950 on December 05, 2017, 09:34:37 PM
From what I know of others in the same situation, you will not be allowed into Canada.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Tom on December 05, 2017, 09:41:54 PM
I've never had a DUI, but I don't recall them asking the question when we entered Canada. Maybe they have access to US DMV databases?
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: debsmg on December 05, 2017, 10:14:06 PM
They run your plate number. I had one of those car guards on my tow bar and apparently they could not see my plate. I had to show a picture of the plate or give the something with plate number on it. On the caravan I was on to Alaska we were told if you had dui you would not be permitted to cross.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: UTTransplant on December 05, 2017, 10:44:58 PM
DUI is a felony in Canada, and they take it seriously. I am a canoeist, and I know people who could not go to Canada for canoeing due to a DUI. There is a way to get yourself allowed in if it has been a long time (10years IIRC) and you have been shown rehabilitated, but it is paperwork and there is no guarantee it will work. There is information on a Canadian Government website that I have seen with details. And my friends were told that Canada did have access to US criminal records.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Robert K on December 06, 2017, 03:48:01 AM
I think you can buy your way in by paying a fee,I have been told. No personel expeirence. Think some states have reciprocipy ( sp ?) On licence believe NY does.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: phil-t on December 06, 2017, 04:04:35 AM
Google will answer your question: Can you go to Canada with a DUI  (http://www.canadaduientrylaw.com/)

Good luck - doesn't look like a simple process, but possibly worthwhile.  I have a close friend that had a DUI in his distant past and did something to gain admittance to Canada.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 06, 2017, 04:16:47 AM
Based on DUI being a felony in Canada and entry for those with a DUI is denied, would any felony result in entry denial? And what crimes, other than DUI, are considered felonies in Canada and not in the US?
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 06, 2017, 04:25:56 AM
Based on DUI being a felony in Canada and entry for those with a DUI is denied, would any felony result in entry denial? And what crimes, other than DUI, are considered felonies in Canada and not in the US?

Just found the answer to this:

So who exactly is not permitted to enter Canada? The Immigration Act may deny admission to anyone recently convicted of driving while intoxicated (D.W.I.) or driving under the influence (D.U.I.), both of which may be considered an indictable offense in Canada (similar to a felony in U.S.A.) and punishable by a term of imprisonment for up to five years. Other criminal offenses that can cause someone to be denied entry to Canada include theft, assault, reckless driving, possession of stolen property, shoplifting, fraud, driving while license suspended, extortion, battery, domestic violence, misdemeanor drug possession, and any felony such as breaking and entering or armed robbery. White collar crimes can also affect a foreign national's Canadian excludability. Some people may need the services of a qualified immigration professional to determine if they can legally enter Canada. Other people may already know that they criminally inadmissible but require help from an attorney to come up with a workable plan for how to cross the Canadian border successfully. A criminal conviction does not necessarily mean a person cannot enter Canada ever again; it simply means they may require special permission to enter and therefore should prepare an acceptable application before visiting. Canada Temporary Resident Permit eligibility requirements and document requirements have recently changed. This is one of the many reasons it may be important to work with an immigration lawyer familiar with the 2018 Canada DUI Entry rules (as well as any scheduled Canada DWI entry 2019 or 2020 changes).

Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Rene T on December 06, 2017, 07:01:28 AM
I worked for a company years ago and had to go into Canada for work. We got to the border and one of my coworkers was denied entry because of a DWI conviction over 40 years earlier when he was just out of high school. We entered Canada and he had to wait for another company vehicle to come and pick him up.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Roy M on December 06, 2017, 11:56:20 AM
Also be aware that if a person who is not a citizen commits a felony, known here as an indictable offence, leaves the country he/she will not be allowed to return. My bil has a minor drug possession on his record from the early 70's, he is not even allowed to be on a flight that lands in the U.S to refuel.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 06, 2017, 01:12:10 PM
it's a big country with lots of ways to just walk in or just step off of a boat on to Canada soil.

There is even one U.S. state that is only land accessible by going into Canada and back out.  Are there no Alaskans that ever got a DUI ?
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Bill N on December 06, 2017, 04:49:43 PM
My daughter lives in Canada and we visit every year.  In 10 years we have never been asked the question and we have never had a DUI.

Bill
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: kjansen on December 06, 2017, 06:10:27 PM
The DWI show on your drivers lic when you try to enter Canada.  I have had people tell they were denied access even tho the DWI was 25 years ago.  I looked into getting a remote access pass and the 1st question they asked was where I lived.  It seems so many people from Hibbing Mn have had DWIs that they refuse to give remote passes.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Tom on December 06, 2017, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: kjansen
The DWI show on your drivers lic when you try to enter Canada.

That makes sense, and explains why most of us have never been asked.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: kjansen on December 07, 2017, 06:46:58 AM
Last summer I went to Canada for the first time in many years.  They asked for my drivers lic and after reviewing the information asked me to pull ahead for an inspection which I thought might happen due to pulling th 5W.  Two officers asked if I had a safe onboard and then wanted to look inside of it.  It was empty, but from that point, it was a 15 minute discussion on guns which I had none knowing the rules of bringing guns across the border.  As it turns out, my name brought up the fact that 25 years ago I went goose hunting by Winnipeg. They now know that I own guns and wanted to make sure I didn't have any along.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Alfa38User on December 07, 2017, 08:43:11 AM
You may not be asked on the primary inspection but if you become a 'chosen one' for secondary, chances are good you will be asked about criminal charges, maybe your drivers license, etc. I have never been asked for my drivers license, just my passport, on primary when returning to Canada or going to USA.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 07, 2017, 08:51:18 AM
What all will they do if an American is caught in Canada illegally ?     They just let all the draft dodgers in and that was a felony wasn't it? 







Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: phil-t on December 07, 2017, 09:15:59 AM
What all will they do if an American is caught in Canada illegally ?     They just let all the draft dodgers in and that was a felony wasn't it?
Not so much what they will do - more what they can do.  Detainment, confiscation, disassembly of your vehicle, etc.  Try it in a boat some time.  There are horror stories, going both directions.  I hate the thought of being subjected to Customs (Canadian or US)' arbitrary rules at the border.  They have absolute power.  I live on the border and have not been to Canada since 911 and all the security whoopla.  Too bad, going to and coming from Canada used to be nothing more than driving down the road.  I can even remember when the Canadian Customs entry was not even manned!  All they have dome with all the security and spend tax payers money and cause the general public greif.  That's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Bill N on December 07, 2017, 09:20:20 AM
The DWI show on your drivers lic when you try to enter Canada.   es.

Have never shown drivers license - only passport and dog vaccination papers.  Answered question about where going and reason for visit.  Their plate reader no doubt reads the plate for state.  Have no doubt about DUI being illegal to enter but have never encountered any questions regarding it and have never seen the agent do any extensive computer searching - just a couple of questions and wave through.  Always enter through Blue Water Bridge at Port Huron, Mi.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 07, 2017, 09:44:07 AM
Not so much what they will do - more what they can do.  Detainment, confiscation, disassembly of your vehicle, etc.  Try it in a boat some time.  There are horror stories, going both directions.  I hate the thought of being subjected to Customs (Canadian or US)' arbitrary rules at the border.  They have absolute power.  I live on the border and have not been to Canada since 911 and all the security whoopla.  Too bad, going to and coming from Canada used to be nothing more than driving down the road.  I can even remember when the Canadian Customs entry was not even manned!  All they have dome with all the security and spend tax payers money and cause the general public greif.  That's just my opinion.

Flying has also become too much of a hassle. We just took a trip to Italy and Spain. Take your shoes off, your belt, everything out of your pockets. Remove your lap top/tablet from your bag. No liquids in containers larger than an eye dropper. If you want to take water on the plane you have to buy it after security which costs more than if you bring your own. In Europe it seems the rules at each airport are different. Take your shoes off at one airport but not at another. Leave your belt on here but not there. Told to be at airport 3 hours early for an international flight. I told my wife this was the last time. I'll drive across the border to Canada but flying is out for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Joezeppy on December 07, 2017, 09:59:44 AM
I live on the border and have not been to Canada since 911 and all the security whoopla.  Too bad, going to and coming from Canada used to be nothing more than driving down the road.


I'm only about 2-1/2 hours from the border and have been traveling to Canada since I was born (my mother is Canadian). We have fewer family members up there these days so we don't travel as much any more but I still find it nothing more than "driving down the road". Sure we need a passport or enhanced driver's license now and it might take an extra few minutes (or even a half hour or more in peak times) but I don't find it intrusive at all. I have nothing to hide and I'm sure the officers can tell. Last time I was chosen for a random search was long before 9/11.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on December 07, 2017, 10:05:58 AM
    Hey folks, it works the other way too.  Any conviction, or a border guard not liking the cut of your hair will see Canadians turned away from your border.  There was a major new story last winter when 3 women from Montreal were denied entry on their way to a spa in Vermont.  They were never given a reason for no entry, however one was of East Indian descent, born in Canada.
    I have been told by lawyer friends that a DUI/DWI in either country would ban me from entry.

Ed
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: UTTransplant on December 07, 2017, 10:27:26 AM
What all will they do if an American is caught in Canada illegally ?     They just let all the draft dodgers in and that was a felony wasn't it?
I doubt evading the US draft was a felony in Canada.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on December 07, 2017, 10:52:14 AM
     And yet I had a good friend who lived and was raised in Canada, but since the closest hospital was a mile by sea, was born in the US.  The RCMP and US police (can't remember which service) showed up at our University dorm and hauled away for not registering for the draft.  It didn't matter that he was a student at a University, and that he had never been sent a draft notice, he was required to register.  He ended up having to leave university and did a 2 year stint in Vietnam before being able to return to Canada.  So, I have no idea how those draft dodgers were allowed to stay, however most established businesses and have done very well financially.

Ed
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Alfa38User on December 07, 2017, 11:22:22 AM
Most simply left on a "visit" before or just after receiving the draft notice  and, just as quietly, overstayed their legal time here. In a big city, they would probably pass unnoticed for quite a few years if they were able to stay out of trouble. Illegal immigrants in either country do have a knack for disappearing and remaining hidden even while they are being chased down for deportation.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 07, 2017, 12:22:04 PM
those American "illegal immigrants"  would be in their late 60's at best....as a non citizen how do they get Canadian health care now ?
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: kjansen on December 08, 2017, 12:16:50 PM
those American "illegal immigrants"  would be in their late 60's at best....as a non citizen how do they get Canadian health care now ?


Wasn't illegal back then and once in Canada you could apply for citizenship. Most of them are now in their 70s. Once they were in Canada and started working they paid taxes just like everyone and qualified for benefits.  We also had several FBI undercover agents in Canada at that time gathering info on those avoiding the draft.

Several countries in Europe that have free health care will even cover people on vacation.  Norway for one is that way.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: UTTransplant on December 08, 2017, 03:03:51 PM
Not all those who evaded the draft by going to Canada stayed in Canada. There was a partial amnesty, and I know a guy who came back to do national service in a nursing home. He didnít want to fight in what he considered an unjust war, but his Consciencious Objector case was not approved. He went to Canada before he was drafted, then came home to do his service in a non-military manner. Great guy with a strong moral compass.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: phil-t on December 08, 2017, 05:39:04 PM
Flying has also become too much of a hassle.

I agree with that - try it with an artificial hip.  Looks like you are "packing" on the radar screen.  If no radar then you get a full pat-down!  Really nice!  And they can still refuse you to board the plane.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 08, 2017, 09:02:10 PM

Several countries in Europe that have free health care will even cover people on vacation.  Norway for one is that way.

 our country has free emergency health care too,  a non citizen or an uninsured person is never turned away if they need med help.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on December 09, 2017, 06:41:44 AM
    But it isn't free, the BIG bill comes later.  Plus, we have acquaintances who if fact have been turn away, even after offering to prepay, when they had no definable insurance coverage and their son was involved in a PWC (personal water craft) accident.

Ed
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 09, 2017, 06:57:24 AM
Shortly after my son separated from the AF he slipped on the driveway at our house in Illinois. We had just arrived in England and were waiting for our rental house to be ready for move in. He got to his phone and a friend came by and picked him up and took him to the local hospital ER. They determined they could not work on his injury (he did not have insurance) so they packed him up  in an ambulance and sent him across the river to St. Louis to another hospital. They performed arthroscopic surgery and determined the swelling was too severe to fix the break. They sent him home. My wife flew back from England and got him in the VA hospital where surgery was performed and all is well now. The first two hospitals sent him a bill in excess of $27,000. So, no, emergency rooms are not free.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Dragginourbedaround on December 09, 2017, 08:15:02 AM
Quote
If you want to take water on the plane you have to buy it after security which costs more than if you bring your own.
Just bring an empty container and fill it when you get through security.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 09, 2017, 08:40:21 AM
Just bring an empty container and fill it when you get through security.

Water fountains are practically nonexistent, by design. I have seen folks filling water bottles in the restrooms.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Dragginourbedaround on December 09, 2017, 09:41:55 AM
Water fountains are practically nonexistent, by design. I have seen folks filling water bottles in the restrooms.
Every US airport I've been in has had a water bubbler (fountain for non Bahstonions) near the rest rooms.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 09, 2017, 10:15:46 AM
Some friends drove me to a hospital after a motorcycle crash back in the days (1993) before helmet laws here in CA. 

I had a big gash over my eye brow and the skin was hanging down over my eye. ( at first I thought I was blinded  :o )

The E.R. asked me if I had any insurance...  I told them no,  I did not.

They said without insurance there was nothing they can do.      So, I got up and was headed out the exit door when a couple nurses came out grabbed me and ushered me into the operating room.

I never got a bill for those 29 stitches.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 09, 2017, 10:37:37 AM
Every US airport I've been in has had a water bubbler (fountain for non Bahstonions) near the rest rooms.

Internationally water fountains are disappearing at airports. I have seen some studies that indicated the water fountains that were tested actually contained more bacteria than the toilets. Some airports, I think in Canada, are actually installing more water fountains. Some with two spigots, one for drinking and the other for filling water bottles. But there still lies the problem of cleaning the fountains. Most are merely wiped down while the bacteria grows inside the tubing.

Some friends drove me to a hospital after a motorcycle crash back in the days (1993) before helmet laws here in CA. 

I had a big gash over my eye and the skin was hanging down over my eye. ( at first I thought I was blinded  :o )

The E.R. asked me if I had any insurance...  I told them no,  I did not.

They said without insurance there was nothing they can do.      So,   I got up and I was headed towards the exit door when a couple nurses came out grabbed me by my arms and ushered me into the operating room.

I never got a bill for those 29 stitches.

You were very lucky Tony. Sounds like they just lost your file. I will tell you now that we have Medicare and Tricare for Life we no longer get a bill. That may soon change since congress wants to put a annual cap on Medicare. I would hope all the seniors would rise up and squash that.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 09, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
Sorry,  but the lobbyist determine how congress votes.

(drain the swamp  ;) )
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 09, 2017, 10:54:03 AM
Sorry,  but the lobbyist determine how congress votes.

(drain the swamp  ;) )

Ha! You need to post that over on the Joke page.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 09, 2017, 02:30:50 PM
but seriously,

For any emergency medical needs,  You don't need insurance..or to be a citizen, at least here in California.   No hospital ER can ever turn you away if you need emergency medical services. It's the law.

That is a big reason why hospitals are losing money... thus driving up the costs for the 'insured' patients just to stay open.   ( so, who really pays for all those 'anchor babies' ?   :) )
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 09, 2017, 04:13:26 PM
but seriously,

For any emergency medical needs,  You don't need insurance..or to be a citizen, at least here in California.   No hospital ER can ever turn you away if you need emergency medical services. It's the law.

That is a big reason why hospitals are losing money... thus driving up the costs for the 'insured' patients just to stay open.   ( so, who really pays for all those 'anchor babies' ?   :) )

We pay for the anchor babies. But lumped in with that term are the birth tourism from countries like China. In order to rid us of these types of services we would have to rescind the 14th amendment. Not an easy task. "Anchor babies" and birth tourism costs taxpayers about $6b per year. The uninsured cost us about $200b per year.

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to anyone seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay. Participating hospitals may not transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment except with the informed consent or stabilization of the patient or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.[1]
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 09, 2017, 07:44:30 PM
it's not just the baby that costs us.....you are forgetting cost of all the public services for the whole family of the anchor baby. They get to stay here now.

and the 14th amendment guarantees with the rights of "citizens"... the baby is the only American citizen.  The mother/family will get WIC and or EBT benefits.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Paul 1950 on December 09, 2017, 07:52:11 PM
...and the 14th amendment deals with the rights of "citizens"... the baby is the only American citizen.

That was never the intention of the guy who wrote the 14th Amendment, Jacob Howard.

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 09, 2017, 07:55:16 PM
we don't need to 'rescind' or change any laws...we just need to enforce the laws we already have.

What would Canada do ?   ;)



In CA our lawmakers made it illegal to ask for proof of citizenship at voting booths,  they say to vote all you need is a utility bill with your name and CA address and a legal photo ID...

 Then, our esteemed lawmakers passed another law allowing "un-documented" immigrants to get a California drivers license.. making our roads much safer.

We're done... :-\.   
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Trivet on December 09, 2017, 09:45:44 PM
That is a big reason why hospitals are losing money... thus driving up the costs for the 'insured' patients just to stay open.   ( so, who really pays for all those 'anchor babies' ?   :) ) 

Let me guess:  the same people who paid for the 29 stitches you needed when you were uninsured and riding a motorcycle without a helmet?
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 09, 2017, 09:47:17 PM
All the state and federal taxes I've paid over the years should have more than covered all 29 of my no Novocaine stitches.   

I had motorcycle insurance,  I also had a brand new job and thus a health insurance gap in the first days.  and there was no law requiring a helmet.   (it was my sunglasses that cut me ).

You weren't being judgmental ...were you ?  :)

Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 10, 2017, 05:28:42 AM
The bottom line is ER's are required to treat you. It could be their requirement is to just stabilize you until they can get you to another facility. I can see this thread morphing into an immigration rant. Maybe we should get back to entering Canada with a DUI on your record. I don't have a DUI or anything else that Canada can construe as an " indictable" offense. So I think I am good to enter w/o too much hassle. And I do want to go but not right now. Too cold.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Bill N on December 10, 2017, 07:09:03 AM
I agree with OldGator.  Let's get the thread back on topic. Since I enter Canada at least once a year I will take notice on my next trip if I am asked any question along those lines.   But it would seem that a check of every person in the vehicle, not just the driver, would be required to insure no DUIs are allowed in.

Bill
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 10, 2017, 07:42:01 AM
We have an American friend that has lived and worked in Canada for many years. I'll ask her if she knows anything about rules crossing the border.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 10, 2017, 09:25:31 AM
We would be much better off with the same Canadian immigration rules here in America,   but our sanctuary cities may get really upset.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 10, 2017, 09:28:27 AM
We would be much better off with the same the same immigration enforcement rules in America,   but our sanctuary cities would be really upset.

Tony! We're trying to keep this thread on the OP's original track. I'm trying to turn over a new leaf here and keep my comments as apolitical as possible. You should do the same.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 10, 2017, 09:33:32 AM
Sorry, you are right.

  Immigration and crossing borders are hot topics,     Living out here in California gets a little frustrating.. ;D
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 10, 2017, 09:38:38 AM
Okay. But you know you could move to Alabama.  :P
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 10, 2017, 09:39:19 AM
Okay. But you know you could move to Alabama.  :P

Might be a good idea  ;)

and Florida is over there too  ?
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 10, 2017, 10:04:53 AM
and it's not just a DUI ether.   any Felony is reason for entry denial.

I know a guy that is paying an attorney to petition a court to reduce his 1970 felony possession of Marijuana conviction to a misdemeanor,   so now that he's retired he can see all the beauty of Canada and Alaska in his RV.     
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on December 10, 2017, 10:13:17 AM
I thought it had to be an indictable offense in Canada.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on December 10, 2017, 10:30:55 AM
After 911, it was enough to deny him the right to buy a firearm... so now he is worried about it going to Canada.

in about 20 days ... his felony won't be an 'indictable' offence here in CA.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on December 10, 2017, 11:10:37 AM
   Possession of marijuana is a felony in Canada.  The law is scheduled to change July 1, 2018 but existing convictions will stand and the police and justice system have been instructed to continue to prosecute offenders.  Go figure!

Ed
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Trivet on December 10, 2017, 12:21:39 PM
You weren't being judgmental ...were you ?  :)

No more than some other people here; it's just more noticeable when you're the one being judge.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: fortsmithman on March 06, 2018, 05:09:41 AM
In order to be barred from entry into Canada the offence on your record has to equal an offence in Canada.  If the offence in the USA is not an offence in Canada you can enter, which is why draft dodgers were allowed entry into Canada.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: DearMissMermaid on March 06, 2018, 06:33:26 AM
My friend went to Canada last summer and I happen to know he does have one DUI on his record.

They did ask him to get out of the camper van while they did a walk though, transferred him to their office, awhile later, they returned his paperwork and keys, allowing him into Canada. He was pleasant about it all, and says they were fairly pleasant about it too. He didn't see anything disturbed in his rig, wonders if they were just curious or what.

He was using the same driver license from the same state where he earned his DUI. I will have to ask him if it has been 10 years or not. I recall when it happened, just not how many years ago.

He is 70 with long hair and a ponytail.

Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on March 06, 2018, 09:26:03 AM
I wish America's borders were as well controlled as Canada's..
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Bill N on March 07, 2018, 07:58:57 AM
I wish America's borders were as well controlled as Canada's..

Believe it or not Tony, more than a few foreigners are crossing into Canada via Minnesota and North Dakota border - not at the legal crossings but just by walking over.  Surprising is that Canadian government is not all that happy about it.  Gee whiz.

Bill
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on March 07, 2018, 09:12:08 AM
The big difference....

In Canada if they catch you there illegally,  you will be deported.       

In California...... you are given a drivers license. 

 8)

 
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on March 07, 2018, 09:43:19 AM
This is off topic and has been covered in a previous string.  However, my limited understanding of the law is that if they show up at a border crossing and ask for asylum Canadian law says that since the US is a trusted partner, they by definition cannot be a refugee.  However, if they make it across the border, then show up at any border services office, they will be considered for entry.  So, there have been a significant number of previously legal American residents, who came under non immigrant type entries, for example Haitians, or Nicaraguans, etc, who are under threat of deportation who are heading north. 

Ed
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on March 07, 2018, 09:48:07 AM
 I believe Alec Baldwin is now living there as a refugee.....     ;)

Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: kdbgoat on March 07, 2018, 10:05:40 AM
Really Tony? You need to give it up too.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on March 07, 2018, 10:16:50 AM
sorry,   It was meant as humor.

and all good humor has foundation of truth.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on March 07, 2018, 02:16:46 PM
No Tony, we wouldn't let him in, he looks too much like some elsy

Ed
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Bill N on March 08, 2018, 07:25:55 AM
This is off topic and has been covered in a previous string.  However, my limited understanding of the law is that if they show up at a border crossing and ask for asylum Canadian law says that since the US is a trusted partner, they by definition cannot be a refugee.  However, if they make it across the border, then show up at any border services office, they will be considered for entry.  So, there have been a significant number of previously legal American residents, who came under non immigrant type entries, for example Haitians, or Nicaraguans, etc, who are under threat of deportation who are heading north. 

Ed

You said it much better than I did Ed.  It is the non-immigrant types you mention who were previously on temporary legal visas because of natural disasters in their country (Haiti) or for other reasons.  Since they walk across the border and avoid border stations I always wondered why they did just not present themselves at a border station as a refugee.  Your post answered that.

Bill
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Bill N on March 08, 2018, 07:27:56 AM
Really Tony? You need to give it up too.
Please try to recognize a bit of humor.  Heavens knows it works both ways.

Bill
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: kdbgoat on March 08, 2018, 07:50:16 AM
Yeah, no excuses, sometimes I just need to lighten up. It's not like there wasn't a wink added there. I'm sure my humor doesn't get taken as humor at times.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on March 08, 2018, 08:15:51 AM
Bill I am sure that an immigration lawyer could provide a legalese explanation, but I have read that is the gist of it.  However, with all that is being reviewed and negotiated between our 2 countries, who know what will be the laws tomorrow.

Ed
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: TonyDtorch on March 08, 2018, 12:37:52 PM
No Tony, we wouldn't let him in, he looks too much like some elsy

Ed

okay....but ...What's an 'elsy' ?    :D
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Bill N on March 08, 2018, 07:07:52 PM
Bill I am sure that an immigration lawyer could provide a legalese explanation, but I have read that is the gist of it.  However, with all that is being reviewed and negotiated between our 2 countries, who know what will be the laws tomorrow.

Ed
What makes me smile Ed is that our daughter now lives in Canada and even stayed there despite getting a divorce but she now tells us what an odd country the USA is...............lol
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on March 09, 2018, 06:00:47 AM
okay....but ...What's an 'elsy' ?    :D

Phat fingers
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Oldgator73 on March 09, 2018, 06:14:12 AM
Phat fingers

According to the Urban Dictionary P.H.A.T. is an acronym for Pretty Hot and Tempting. So elsy means pretty hot and tempting fingers.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on March 09, 2018, 06:52:08 AM
Thanks Gator, my wife says that too   ;)

Ed
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: kyteacher on June 12, 2018, 08:05:44 AM
New to the conversation here, but we are headed up to Niagara Falls for a quick day visit in a little over a week from now.  We've never been to Canada, so we thought it would be a way to drive over (without our travel trailer), spend a day, and drive back to our camp and then do some other things.  16 years ago I got a DUI that was knocked down to a Public Intoxication. 

Before we go is there someone to call at the border or near the border to check ahead of time if it is going to be a problem to cross?  Has anyone done this before?
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: John Beard on June 12, 2018, 08:21:44 AM
http://www.canadaduientrylaw.com/

Unfortunately, getting into Canada with a DUI is not as simple as showing up at the border with a valid United States passport. If you have ever been arrested or convicted for driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, regardless of whether it was a misdemeanor or felony offense, you may be criminally inadmissible to Canada and denied entry. Regardless of whether or not you have any intention to drive while in the country, a DUI (including civil infractions and "Actual Physical Control DUI" violations) can cause you to get turned away at the border and can impede your eligibility across all Canadian immigration programs.

Google Search.

Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Rene T on June 12, 2018, 09:08:59 AM
  16 years ago I got a DUI that was knocked down to a Public Intoxication. 

Before we go is there someone to call at the border or near the border to check ahead of time if it is going to be a problem to cross?  Has anyone done this before?

If it was knocked down from a DUI, I would think you'd be OK. Do you have any documentation that would relate to that which you could bring with you? It may help.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on June 12, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
For what it is worth, the US has similar laws.  An acquaintance went to a wedding in Manitoba in the 1970's when he was in his 20's.  $ of them were partying and decided to cross into North Dakota, he was Not driving, but they were denied entry into the US for being inebriated.  About 5 years ago, he was coming from Ontario to his park model in Florida, and was denied entry because of that previous occurrence.  It put him in a bad situation, so he waited a few days, went to another border crossing and had no problem getting in, nor has he since.  Go figure, it goes to show how much depends on the individual border guard.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: kyteacher on June 24, 2018, 08:34:17 PM
Update:  We just got home from our weeks trip up north.  I had no problem getting into Canada.  A whole bunch of worry here for nothing.  We had a great time at Niagara Falls and my 2 girls got to experience Canada for the first time. 
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: phil-t on June 25, 2018, 07:47:32 AM
Go figure, it goes to show how much depends on the individual border guard.

That's it, in a nutshell!   >:(
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Rene T on June 25, 2018, 07:52:14 AM
That's it, in a nutshell!   >:(

No. I was not a DUI. It was public intoxication.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: phil-t on June 25, 2018, 08:01:03 AM
I'm just saying that the individual customs/border agents have way too much individual power, based on their "feelings".  Been there, live on the Canadian border, and done that, more than once.  That's all, it's just my opinion.  And that's MY big problem with border crossings, no real "rules".  When it comes right down to it an agent can deny you entry based on his/her feelings, at the time, and you have no recourse at that time.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Rene T on June 25, 2018, 08:50:46 AM
When it comes right down to it an agent can deny you entry based on his/her feelings, at the time, and you have no recourse at that time.

I guess you'd have to wait for shift change, HuH?  ;D :D ;) :))
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Hfx_Cdn on June 25, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
Articles hit the papers on both sides of the border this week.  A 19 year old female resident of France was visiting her mother who lives in BC, and she went for a jog.  Unintentionally she crossed the border along the beach, she realized her mistake, turned around and was almost back into Canada.  However, 2 US border guards stopped her just before she crossed and she was placed in custody, transported about 200 miles away, and detained for over 2 weeks.  So, yes, border guards have way too much ability to arbitrarily decide the fate of people who are at the border.

Ed
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: Bill N on June 25, 2018, 04:31:44 PM
Hey, she got off easy.  A former US Marine took a wrong turn into Mexico and was stopped at the border where he was trying to turn around.  A pistol (as I recall) was in his vehicle. It took a couple of years to get him out.  Not much help from our government either.
Title: Re: Crossing into Canada with DUI
Post by: phil-t on June 25, 2018, 04:34:50 PM
I guess you'd have to wait for shift change, HuH?  ;D :D ;) :))
[/quoteyup. Or wait till one of my many friends are on duty. 😎