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Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: ArdraF on January 25, 2008, 11:24:05 AM
Yes, and you can still see where wagons rutted the Oregon Trail and our other famous trails going across the frontier.

ArdraF
Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Jim Dick on January 25, 2008, 12:11:58 PM
Ardra,

Some of those ruts will never disappear. :) George Akers took us to some in Wyoming that were about a foot deep in solid rock!!! Just imagine all the wagons that had to pass in order to carve out ruts that deep!
Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Carl L on January 25, 2008, 03:14:47 PM
Ardra,

Some of those ruts will never disappear. :) George Akers took us to some in Wyoming that were about a foot deep in solid rock!!! Just imagine all the wagons that had to pass in order to carve out ruts that deep!

A lot of wagons but remember those wagon wheels were rimmed with steel, not rubber.

Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Jim Dick on January 25, 2008, 03:31:59 PM
A lot of wagons but remember those wagon wheels were rimmed with steel, not rubber.



True but it still must have taken a lot of them! :)

George really gave us a great tour of the history around his ranch. He showed us a cliff where people would carve their names, as they did at Signature Rock. He pointed out one name and said the fellow died shortly after they left. I was watching two shows on the Mormon trail and Oregon trail after we had returned home. I forgot which one it was but they were showing the grave of the guy that George had mentioned. Ironically, in the background was the Glen Rock power plant where George used to work!
Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Ron on January 25, 2008, 11:40:33 PM
Ardra,

Some of those ruts will never disappear. :) George Akers took us to some in Wyoming that were about a foot deep in solid rock!!! Just imagine all the wagons that had to pass in order to carve out ruts that deep!

There are a lot of places in Wyoming where the wagon tracks are still visable.
Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Jim Dick on January 26, 2008, 07:21:43 AM
Ron,

I'm sure there are lots of tracks left all along that trail. I really enjoyed watching those two programs on both trails.
Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Ron on January 26, 2008, 09:14:13 AM
Ron,

I'm sure there are lots of tracks left all along that trail. I really enjoyed watching those two programs on both trails.
Yes there are and I have seen several of them even in Nebraska.  One thing a lot of folks are not aware of is that when those early travelers reached Fort Laraimie, Wyo is when they got their first look of the rockies in the distance which were known to be very challanging to cross.  They called the rockies the Black Hills.  Now I suspect the guy that named the Black Hills of SD may have been lost. ;D  Sam has a copy of one of her relatives diary written when he crossed to CA with the 49ers and even in that diary he mentions seeing the black hills to the west from Fort Laramie.  Oh BTW you can't see the black Hills of SD from old Fort Laramie.
Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Carl L on January 26, 2008, 12:55:45 PM
Ron,

I'm sure there are lots of tracks left all along that trail. I really enjoyed watching those two programs on both trails.

Traveling east of Reno one year, we ran across the trace of the old Pony Express Trail still visible and so labeled by a marker.

Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Jim Dick on January 26, 2008, 04:11:36 PM
Traveling east of Reno one year, we ran across the trace of the old Pony Express Trail still visible and so labeled by a marker.



Wow, I wouldn't have expected that trail to still be visible! So many things still to see!!
Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: ArdraF on January 26, 2008, 08:36:29 PM
Mention of the stagecoach trail reminds me that Jerry's parents had 80 acres near Fayetteville AR.  They learned after buying it that the Butterfield Stage went across their property (obviously long before they owned it!) and there probably was a stagecoach stop there at a wonderful sweet water spring.

ArdraF
Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Jim Dick on January 27, 2008, 07:53:01 AM
Mention of the stagecoach trail reminds me that Jerry's parents had 80 acres near Fayetteville AR.  They learned after buying it that the Butterfield Stage went across their property (obviously long before they owned it!) and there probably was a stagecoach stop there at a wonderful sweet water spring.

ArdraF

Ardra,

That reminds me of Ft. Bowie just outside Bowie and Wilcox, AZ. When we drove to the trail head for Ft. Bowie we passed the Butterfield Stage trail where the Indians massacred all the passengers during one of their raids. Can't see the actual ruts but they have a couple of markers where it crossed the current road. It really was puzzling as to why they took that route since they could have gone around the mountains. Turns out that Apache Spring is along that route and it was the only water for miles. Ft. Bowie was built near there to protect the spring so all could have access.
Title: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Marsha/CA on January 27, 2008, 11:38:05 AM
Just to add to the discussion.  Last February, California celebrated the 150th anniversary of the Butterfield Stage Route.  One of the links of the stage route ran from Texas through So. California then on up to LA and San Francisco.  That loop was called the "Jackass Trail".  Our horse group (Backcountry horseman of California) participated in a reenactment ride by riding in period clothing/costume and horse equipment from that era.  Tim and I took pictures and celebrated with the group.  It was a lot of fun.

Marsha~
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Barb on January 28, 2008, 09:39:19 AM
Also there is the National Trails Museum (http://www.ci.independence.mo.us/NFTM/) in Independence, Mo.  Where all the western trails began.  Excellent museum.  They also have wagon ruts.

barb
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Jim Dick on January 28, 2008, 09:49:40 AM
Also there is the National Trails Museum (http://www.ci.independence.mo.us/NFTM/) in Independence, Mo.  Where all the western trails began.  Excellent museum.  They also have wagon ruts.

barb

Darn, we were there three years ago and didn't know about it!! We were there to tour Truman's home.

Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Lowell on January 28, 2008, 10:34:26 AM
Picture of wagon ruts in rock on Oregon Trail near Ft. Laramie, WY. (son and granddaughter)
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Tom and Margi on January 28, 2008, 11:59:56 AM
Wagon ruts are also visible from the Oregon Trails Museum in Baker City, Oregon.  Wonderful museum well worth the time spent to see it.

Margi
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Jim Dick on January 28, 2008, 01:38:58 PM
Lowell,

I believe those are the ones that George showed us. Amazing!
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: ArdraF on January 28, 2008, 03:27:02 PM
Isn't this a great country!  So many neat things to see and do and learn about.  :)

Jim, I had forgotten about the trail near Ft. Bowie.  That whole area is neat, including the Cochise Stronghold.

ArdraF
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Jim Dick on January 28, 2008, 03:35:32 PM
Ardra,

It certainly is a "must see" in my book! The first time we hiked the trail to Ft. Bowie I could see in my mind the Indians hiding in the rocks just waiting to attack. It was really too real! I also love the drive through the Chiricahua National Forest. We've done the Magic Circle of Cochise several times. When at the Stronghold you can see how the Apaches were able to hold off any attack from the Cavalry. They had no chance at all.
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Ron on January 28, 2008, 03:42:56 PM
Picture of wagon ruts in rock on Oregon Trail near Ft. Laramie, WY. (son and granddaughter)

If I recall correctly there are some more visible tracks not too far west from theose in the photo.
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Lowell on January 28, 2008, 05:52:16 PM
Ron,
You are correct, there are a number of ruts in this area of the Oregon trail.  And IIRC, there is a cliff along the Platte River close by where the Pioneers carved their name into the side of the cliff and camped along the river.
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Ron on January 28, 2008, 08:06:55 PM
Ron,
You are correct, there are a number of ruts in this area of the Oregon trail.  And IIRC, there is a cliff along the Platte River close by where the Pioneers carved their name into the side of the cliff and camped along the river.

Yep.  Brings back memories.  Having been born and raised in Wyo I have been blessed with seeing much of the historical interests across Wyo.  It is always interesting to stop and see these things when you are in the area and know what is there.
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: KodiakRV on February 08, 2008, 09:08:35 PM
I'm late to this thread, but you can still see wagon ruts where the Chisholm Trail crosses the river in Round Rock, Texas...
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Chet18013 on February 09, 2008, 08:06:11 AM
Hi Ardra,

I can remember when I was a small boy, my grandmother would tell me stories about how her family left IN and came west. They were in a covered wagon and came west on the Oregon Trail. She described all the abandoned goods along the trail, the grave sites they encountered and how she and her sister climbed and carved their names in Signature Rock. At the time, the Indians had been pretty well pacified and they ended up homesteading near Torrington, WY.

These photos are the Oregon Trail near Scotts Bluff, NE.

Chet18013
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Ron on February 09, 2008, 10:00:10 AM
You take those photos Chet?  Good shots.  I have one very similar of chimney rock that looks like it was taken from near the same spot.  Have to get those slides out and look again.
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: ArdraF on February 09, 2008, 01:24:17 PM
Chet, what great photos and a wonderful story!  Have you ever tried to find those signatures?  Years ago I worked with a lady whose aunt drove "out west" to California in a very early car when there were really only trails instead of roads - probably some of those old wagon trails.  She kept a diary of her adventure and it was so neat and fun to read.  It's so nice to have family memories like that.

ArdraF



Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: Chet18013 on February 09, 2008, 03:45:57 PM
You take those photos Chet?  Good shots.  I have one very similar of chimney rock that looks like it was taken from near the same spot.  Have to get those slides out and look again.

Ron, yes I did take them with my old Kodak DC290 back in 2000.

Chet, what great photos and a wonderful story!  Have you ever tried to find those signatures?  Years ago I worked with a lady whose aunt drove "out west" to California in a very early car when there were really only trails instead of roads - probably some of those old wagon trails.  She kept a diary of her adventure and it was so neat and fun to read.  It's so nice to have family memories like that.


Ardra, no I haven't tried and I understand now that the whole place is fenced off to prevent defacing of the old carvings. Seems folks think they need to keep adding to it or scratch out the old stuff.

Chet18013
Title: Re: Wagon Ruts
Post by: ArdraF on February 09, 2008, 04:07:53 PM
Chet, that's a shame and it now happens so often.  :(

ArdraF