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Title: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on June 01, 2009, 08:38:24 AM
SCVJeff had a great idea about starting a sticky to share details about LCD TV conversion projects.  We want to limit the topic to only reports of conversions in Winnebago Industries products.

Please mention the following:

Thanks everybody!!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: THutch on June 01, 2009, 05:59:56 PM
I guess I'll start this off.  We have a 2005 Itasca Meridian 34H

Front & Rear HD Upgrades (http://www.flickr.com/photos/35174404@N02/sets/)  See the comments imbedded in the slide show...

We installed a 32" Magnavox LCD in the front, and a 19" Magnavox LCD in the rear.  Then I added dedicated DVD players to both front and rear via HDMI cables.  I linked in the existing Video Selector Box to both front and rear, to retain all the original functionality (satellite, antenna, cable, & shared VCR/DVD player).

I installed the Wineguard Wingman, with some improvement on over-the-air reception.

Still working on a solution for the surround sound link...

Tom
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Just Lou on June 01, 2009, 06:21:56 PM
Still working on a solution for the surround sound link...Tom

Great work , Tom.

My only other comment would be that ** A neat work bench is a sign of a sick mind **  ;) :D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Arne on June 01, 2009, 07:53:12 PM
My greatest achievement is replacing the rear TV with a bookcase!

Arne
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: FrontrangeRVer on June 01, 2009, 08:33:40 PM
My greatest achievement is replacing the rear TV with a bookcase!

Arne


Arne....and I LIKE IT TOO!  ;D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Wendy on June 01, 2009, 09:00:58 PM
My greatest achievement is replacing the rear TV with a bookcase!

Any pictures or info? I've got a TV rack in the bedroom of the Sightseer that I'd love to remove and replace with a bookcase. I always need places to put books.

Wendy
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Mike and Sherrie in VA on June 01, 2009, 09:23:31 PM
Not sure why this would be a question or survey that one would want to limit to Winnie's only.  Seems to me that a TV is a TV.  Unless there is some huge difference that I am not aware of?

Just curious.

-Mike
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Alaskansnowbirds on June 01, 2009, 09:35:09 PM
Mike,

This thread is in this section because there are some "idiosyncrasies" in the wiring configurations on the Winne.

John started a parallel subject in the Tech section for everyone else so we don't have to wade through the Winne only idiosyncrasies.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Mike and Sherrie in VA on June 01, 2009, 09:47:32 PM
Fair enough - thanks for the knowledge.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SCVJeff on June 01, 2009, 10:06:35 PM
My turn..
After being tired of looking at an extremely mis-converged CRT I decided to pull the TV and fix it.. until it was on my shoulder and I said there was no way it was going back in. After CAD'ing up my cabinet I spent hours at WalMart, BestBuy, Sears, etc. looking at what would fit and look OEM, finally settling on the Sharp LC-32SB24U. This apparently is a BestBuy, WM, (and I'm sure others) "store model", but it has one of the best pictures of all I've seen, and even at 720 for a 32" is just fine. Geeeze, it's just camping!

What started this sticky was a place to post Do's, Don't's, and stuff to watch out for. Here's mine:

Do buy a Wingman! They absolutely help the OEM batwing, but are not the magic answer to being 75 miles away. It's a cheap upgrade to the batwing. HERE (http://www.woodalls.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/22423030.cfm) is a geek test I did on it awhile back.

Don't buy a 4x3 screen! It may be a good deal and fit within the frame, but the world is going 16x9 and these displays will either cut off the edges, or force you to underscan to see the antire pic, just as with a CRT.

The TV should be able to "update" it's scan (mine doesn't) so when you go to a city and do a new scan, then move to the next place and do another scan (or update), you won't lose what you previously scanned. The TV will only stop on a channel that has signal so you are not entering useless channels, but this prevents you from having to do an entire channel scan every time you move. Anytime you return to that area you already have the local channels in memory. Make sense?

If you run the TV into an external audio system and want to use only the TV remote, MAKE SURE that the TV not only has external audio out, but it is VARIABLE output that tracks with the TV's volume control. In the case of the Sharp listed above, it has a pull-down menu that selects internal speakers and fixed external out, OR internal speakers off and variable audio on the RCA Line level outputs. The Sharp also has a 5.1 optical output that plugs into my Sony VHS/ DVD/ Surround system that I think also tracks the TV's volume. I'm not familiar with the Winne "built-in" surround, but anyone having the Sony combo will find an optical input in the rear that interfaces with the TV just fine. This seems to be a hot button.If you're not sure, get the model# and look for the manual on the web and see what it's supposed to do.

Other Inputs:
1- PC (VGA) for VMS or Flight SIM  8)
2- HDMI
1- 'S'-Video
2- Additional component/ composite Inputs
It has a USB jack for firmware updates. Haven't use it yet.

When dry camping, keep the brightness down as there is a significant difference in consumption depending on brightness level.

One thing about this install is that the TV mounts on top of the frame, meaning that the only way to secure it is to have the lower shroud removed. No problem as I was able to dress the cables and really secure the monitor down. The rear 8 screws are more than enough to hold it in, it doesn't need to be mounted to the frame in front.

Coach Bracket (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r192/SCVJeff/DSCN6152.jpg)

Rear Panel (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r192/SCVJeff/DSCN6045.jpg)

Finished Install (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r192/SCVJeff/DSCN6145.jpg)

Goose'd up the roof too :) (http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r192/SCVJeff/DSCN6538.jpg)


One more thing.. Installing this monitor involved sawing about 1" off of either side of the frame, so it's an intentional snug fit. To keep the squeaking and wear down, I bought a package of thick sticky-backed felt from Home Depot and cut it into 1" strips that now line the interior of the frame. The only two things the monitor comes in contact with are the rear mount and the felt lining.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Just Lou on June 01, 2009, 10:36:27 PM
Jeff, I'm having difficulty determining just what I'm looking at in the coach bracket photo.

Is the hardware mounted on the rear of the TV custom made or part of a manufactured mount?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SCVJeff on June 01, 2009, 11:06:18 PM
I have other pix but am in Canada this week and the internet is really slow...
That is a shot taken with the lower shroud off and the TV mounted. That is a piece of 1" aluminum L-stock bolted to the Winne frame. Bolted to that are 2 pieces of 1"x1" steel square stock that the LCD bracket is bolted to.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on June 02, 2009, 07:24:37 AM
Not sure why this would be a question or survey that one would want to limit to Winnie's only.  Seems to me that a TV is a TV.  Unless there is some huge difference that I am not aware of?

Mike - it's more of a 'what will fit' a particular hole due to Winnie cabinetry.  For example, Rex (LK23) and I have identical coaches and he has replaced his 27" CRT with I think a Sony Bravia.  I can duplicate much of his effort and avoid trial and error on my own.  Also, dissecting Winnie TV cabinetry can be a challenge.  I have seen many questions about "how do I remove my TV", obviously every house builder does things differently.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: FrontrangeRVer on June 02, 2009, 11:09:58 AM
I like Jeff's idea of just putting in a 32" flatscreen in the FRONT of the cutout.  I haven't done it yet because I am not in a rush to throw away our perfectly good Sony 26" tube TV, as we aren't fulltiming quite yet.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Wendy on June 02, 2009, 11:46:31 AM
I like Jeff's idea of just putting in a 32" flatscreen in the FRONT of the cutout. 

That's what Mike did in our Sightseer. He's still tweaking the bracket that holds it and lets him swing it open so the area where the big honking tube TV used to can be used for storage.

Wendy
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: RetiredLE on June 02, 2009, 07:15:20 PM
We would like to replace the (above the dash mounted) tube TV in our '03 Brave with a flat screen but still retain the plastic frame.  Has anyone done this particular job?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SCVJeff on June 02, 2009, 07:35:04 PM
The best thing to start with is really good measurements, preferably in the form of a drawing, and hit your local TV store with a tape and see what fits. With all that nice Oak surrounding it you might elect to replace the frame anyway.

Wendy: You're right, mine is solidly attached and I do lose potential storage in the rear, but I also have quite a harness off the monitor now and decided I didn't want anything banging into it.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: judway on June 02, 2009, 07:52:24 PM
I made a front TV change on my 03 Itasca Horizon which is a little different than most. The description is in the forum library. Tom arranged my information very well to give the complete story. I really like my installation. Give it a look.
      
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Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Art In Mobile on June 02, 2009, 08:43:00 PM



I Just installed a 32 LCD in my Voyage. Walmart price 477.  It is the  VIZIO VW32L HD TV40A. A nice thing about this TV is it will fit in where the Sony 24 inch Tv cabinet hole was with very little cutting of the wood on the sides.  I did not have to cut the top or bottom wood at all. It does have the speakers on the bottom.  You do not have to cut any of the metal behind to get it in. I first beefed up the wood cabinet mounting trim. Securing the wood trim frame very well to the metal frame and the top wood trim to the cross bar. The little original 4 screws holding it in place would not support the 28 pound Tv to well. Now you may want to turn away for this next part if you are prone to be Squeamish! Instead of using a standard mount which may make the Tv cabinet squeak as it rubs on the wooden cabinet going down the road, I turned the Tv over and where the case screws hold the front and rear of the Tv together, with a drill made for drilling into plastic, (Gets even more Squeamish here)  drilled out the boss that receives the screw all the way thru.  This worked very well. I did this on the 4 bottom screws but not the bottom corner screws. I then disassembled the Tv case halves to make sure I could drill the top 3 without any electrical parts coming out with the drill bit. (a lot of stuff in there) I used the top center and the top outer left and right corners. The 3 top screws had a small metal tab I had to drill thru. I used a large magnet to collect the metal chips as I was drilling.  I then closed up the Tv case halves. I then installed  from the front of the TV, 2 ½ inch #12 screws with a rubber washer on the head in the 4 lower holes thru the TV into the wood trim, then 3, three inch #12 screws  in the top 3 holes thru the TV into the wood trim. As the old Tv weighed 72 pounds and the new one 28 pounds, This should be over kill.  Twenty eight pounds divided by 7 screws = about 4 pounds per screw. Yes it will most likely void my warranty. If I had to take it back I could say the those holes were from plastic eating termites! So far works great. I am not telling everyone to do this just showing another way to mount it.  I painted the screw heads black.  I also picked up over 40 pounds of CCC by going to the lighter TV.  Now to mount a 26 inch in the bedroom and save about 20 more pounds! Remember I am not telling anyone else to try this at home! As you can see in the 2nd photo I now have the rear 26 TV in. Total savings was 79 pounds. Art
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SCVJeff on June 02, 2009, 09:16:47 PM
I made a front TV change on my 03 Itasca Horizon which is a little different than most. The description is in the forum library. Tom arranged my information very well to give the complete story. I really like my installation. Give it a look.
      
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Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: kcaravelli on June 05, 2009, 04:35:17 AM
We are full-timers and working professionals in the Seattle area.  We live in an Itasca an 33U 03' Suncruiser.

I am considering moving the boat anchor (TV) from the neck bending position above the drivers area to the space next to the door where we have the recliner.  I moved the recliner out to the storage shed and often sit in it on the weekend outside.  Nice and comfy under the tree.

Anyway, I think that having our TV directly facing us when we sit in the couch would make far more sense for us.  The couch reclines of course and it has the snack tray and so forth.  I also do IT work from my coach and would like to hook one of my PC's up to the HDTV monitor and use if with a wireless keyboard with trackball from across the room on the couch.

I'm thinking a nice cabinet that hides the TV in back and gives us a place to put the shoes and other often used stuff right next to the door.  Perhaps a small TV Stand/Cabinet would fit.

Anyone try this yet?

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on June 05, 2009, 07:15:38 AM
Hi - welcome to rvforum!  Our floorplan has the TV on the side which was a primary attractive feature - never cared for over the dash TVs.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: FrontrangeRVer on June 05, 2009, 07:19:17 AM
Anyone try this yet?



Yep!  Arne (above) did.....I PMed him and asked him to post his link.

And....WELCOME!  :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: OldRVer on June 17, 2009, 07:12:14 PM
I just bought a little 22" LCD/DVD combo TV but I haven't a clue where to mount it. My old Winnie doesn't have a TV cabinet or anything like that. I have an arm mount that I was using at home for a larger TV and I was thinking of mounting it on the cabinet close to the door where it can be seen from the couch and chairs. I was also going to run my rear view cam into it. Hell, I turn around in every other vehicle to back up anyways. Any pit falls with this, besides being in my way when I come in the door? It does fold up close to the surface it mounts to.

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: BucknJeff on July 14, 2009, 09:54:50 PM
We recently installed the 32" Vizio HD LCD TV that we have been using on the dresser of our coach. We removed our bedroom TV in 2004, shortly after buying the coach new, and installing a stack washer and dryer, after which we had Winnebago build us custom doors to match. In the process, we lost the location for the tube TV and have been moving the LCD TV from the bed to the dresser as we go.

Since we don't need the bedroom mirror over the dresser, we decided that this was a great place for the new LCD TV to go. We disassembled the dresser and hutch containing the mirror and were delighted to find that the mirror has a subframe and just unscrewed from the hutch. After measuring, we fitted a piece of 5/8 plywood and routed the back of it to allow the connecting and power wires to pass behind the TV out of sight.

We stained and finished the wood, and then carefully installed it to the hutch frame. Perfect fit!

Next, we wired a Geffen HDMI extender system, the coax from the front AV cabinet (antenna, etc) and a 4 meter long HDMI cable, together with the power cord and a small wire for an IR extension receiver, all in the groove of the wood. The HDMI extender uses 2 CAT5 wires to extend an HDMI signal, and we ran ours to the front AV cabinet so we could watch HD TV from the Satellite (if ever King Dome would get it together for Directv HD), and an infrared extender emitter to allow control of the front satellite receiver from the bedroom (newer winnies already have this, our relic did not). The other HDMI cable runs to the bedroom closet shelf, where we installed a BluRay player and another infrared emitter for control with the closet door shut.

Next, we measured and centered the TV on its mount, in the space, installed the TV and connected the cables.

We installed an electrical outlet under the dresser to power the TV and the HDMI extender and IR receiver system, and mounted each of those systems, carefully routing the wiring and securing them with zip ties.

Voilla! It works. Here are some pictures, and a few shots of the new stainless backsplash we just installed. They're 1" x 4" beveled individual stainless steel tiles, and it took a while to get them in! I also added before and after pics of the headlight upgrade.

http://gallery.me.com/lewismathieu#100054

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 15, 2009, 06:24:20 AM
Wow - that's a really slick installation!  I don't think I'll ever catch up to you guys.  I'm still in the planning mode on my roof-top air and a LCD to replace the front CRT  :P
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Art In Mobile on July 15, 2009, 10:17:45 PM
That is some great work!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: taoshum on July 19, 2009, 11:08:33 PM
There have been several TV conversions posted and I read every one of 'em several times.  The turning point for us was a really bad squeak in the original 70# TV mounting that had to be fixed no matter what and after I got into that, I decided to put a new LCD digital TV in place of the old Sony.  We looked and looked and decided that the largest would be a 32" version and a more compact install would be a 26" version.  I also really wanted to get rid of the "head banger"... that's what I called the old TV since it was so tall, it was 10" or so lower than the cabinets on either side and stuck out several inches.

So, I got the old TV out finally... the secret being to take the 8 screws holding the plastic trim in place out, then the four screws holding the wood trim out (inside the cabinets on either side) and then the metal frame for the tv is accessible.  Remove the 5/16" bolts from either side and undo the wires and get two people and tote the monster to the garage.  Then we built foam core board mock ups of the large lcd and a smaller lcd.  We decided on the small lcd because we could make the whole thing kinda "get out of the way", 5" higher and about 5" forward and still use the original trim board as well as the plastic trim after some mods.

We picked a Sanyo 26" LCD.  Consumer Reports gave it a decent rating and it was the lowest price 26" at Wally World.

The hardest part was cutting the metal and then re-attaching the metal base and getting the trim to look acceptable.  I attached some photos that will illustrate the whole ordeal.


If you have questions, let me know.  thanks, Gary.

PS: I would guess that we took out about 100# of stuff
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: taoshum on July 19, 2009, 11:19:19 PM
Sorry, but I forgot to mention that I used a piece of 3/4" plywood to mount the LCD and then bolted the plywood to the steel angle pieces in the photos.  It is rock solid.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Just Lou on July 19, 2009, 11:21:14 PM
Looks great, Gary.  Wanna come do mine? ;D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Ray D on July 19, 2009, 11:24:29 PM
Lou, after he does mine!  ;D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: AprilWhine on August 23, 2009, 05:07:55 PM
We removed a 30" CRT HDTV from our 2008 Destination and replaced it with a 40" LCD Toshiba:

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Hmmm, my clickable thumbnails are displayed as links. :(
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Tom on August 23, 2009, 05:29:04 PM
Quote from: AprilWhine
Hmmm, my clickable thumbnails are displayed as links.

Inline images are disabled here, thanks to prior abuse.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on August 23, 2009, 08:44:23 PM
Welcome aboard AprilWhine!  Can you upload the images here?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Art In Mobile on August 25, 2009, 08:32:01 AM
Taoshum
Great Job! I know what you mean by headbanger. My wife drew blood on the corner of one. But don't you miss the squeaking old one every time you hit a bump singing its tune going down the road? Before I changed my front TV  I would try & sing a song to the rhythm of the squeaks. Art
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: lost-n-ohio on August 30, 2009, 07:26:00 PM
One word of warning on the newer LCD tv's.  I replaced my front tv with a 22" Vizio VA220E and it does not have an antenna signal strength setting in the menu.  I have to go back and forth to look at the signal strength indicator on the bedroom tv to monitor my antenna changes.  I've just purchased a 22" Insignia from Best Buy that will be replacing the front tv when I next bring the MH home.  I made sure before I left Best Buy that the Insignia had a signal strength setting.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SCVJeff on September 04, 2009, 09:40:48 PM
I just got one of these (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=DIGIAIRPRO) given to me, and is exactly what the doctor ordered. It has a spectrum analyzer that scans the entire VHF/ UHF band in about 3 seconds and displays anything it finds. In this mode it makes tuning an antenna a snap! you can move a tuning bar across the display and see what channel is the strongest, change displays to single channel mode, turn on an audible level tone if needed, etc. This thing is actually built for installers but for $190 it's the one answer to dealing with trying to find local DTV channels. 6 years ago I paid $4000 for a similar analyzer that had the same functionality and was the size of a shoebox.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on September 05, 2009, 06:54:53 AM
Jeff - slick little device, but at about $200 with shipping, it's a little pricey for the casual user.  I've bookmarked that website - lots of goodies to check out.

A slight tangent:

A friend of mine told me several months ago my DirecTV HR20 DVR was a prized possession since it has the ability to receive digital over-the-air TV.  I moved the antenna from the converter box to the HR20 and went through config, and there were the locals.  The big issue is there is no tuning indicator for over-the-air that is easy to access (that I found.)

Having the locals on my DVR is really cool - now I can record, pause, etc.  Don't need the converter box.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SCVJeff on September 05, 2009, 10:17:36 PM
Jeff - slick little device, but at about $200 with shipping, it's a little pricey for the casual user.  I've bookmarked that website - lots of goodies to check out.

A slight tangent:

A friend of mine told me several months ago my DirecTV HR20 DVR was a prized possession since it has the ability to receive digital over-the-air TV.  I moved the antenna from the converter box to the HR20 and went through config, and there were the locals.  The big issue is there is no tuning indicator for over-the-air that is easy to access (that I found.)

Having the locals on my DVR is really cool - now I can record, pause, etc.  Don't need the converter box.
Yeah, pricey for the casual user.. Having said that I did a little test today here at the coach. If I were a traveler and hadn't had one given to me this would be #1 on the list. Man what a time-saver.

HERE (http://www.woodalls.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/23169359.cfm) is the post I did awhile ago.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: dfdcaptain on September 10, 2009, 08:25:39 AM
To Wayne Malone;

I saw an article in the library showing your conversion to HDTV.  I had planned to do the same thing.  Question,  did you have to trim the metal frame where it is curved at the bottom , also did you trim the plastic covering on the bottom.
Thanks Bunky
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: AA4WP on October 23, 2009, 01:06:00 PM
To John....

>A slight tangent:

>A friend of mine told me several months ago my DirecTV HR20 DVR was a prized possession since it has the ability to receive digital over-the-air TV.  I moved the >antenna from the converter box to the HR20 and went through config, and there were the locals.  The big issue is there is no tuning indicator for over-the-air that i>s easy to access (that I found.)

Also available with the Dish 211k HD receiver; only thing is that the electronic program guide (EPG) does not have a clue as to the programming.   What I do is have the batwing antenna through a splitter  feed both the TV and the Dish Receiver so that I may check out the local OTA signals so as to best position the batwing before going through the re-installation of the hard dirve to the satellite receiver.  The guide only shows "Digital Service" when away from the local (Louisville) area.

BTW, I checked out the Grayson Highlands park after Gaffney...I'll comment on that some other time.

Wendell
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on October 23, 2009, 03:41:37 PM
Hi Wendell - I guess the HR20 is a little smarter than your Dish receiver.  Don't forget you will have signal loss through a passive splitter (i.e., a non-amplified device), so in a marginal signal area you might have problems capturing the signal.

Grayson - how about that ride to get there?!?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Clay L on November 28, 2009, 10:35:06 AM
This is a link HERE (http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php/topic,27057.msg258970.html#msg258970) to a post I made a few days ago.

I used a Samsung Model: LN32B550K1. You can see it with specs HERE (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemplatemapper.jsp?id=1218076081763&type=product&_requestid=291809).
It fits on the outside of the wood trim frame. I did have to trim 1/4 inches off the two adjacent cabinet door edges so the TV would fit between them. Some light oak stain and some polyurethane varnish and you really can't tell they were trimmed.

I lined the area behind the TV with 3/4 inch plywood covered with left over laminate flooring strips.

As you can see in one of the pictures in the earlier post, there is a fiddle that can be raised to access the area under the floor of the new storage area.

The travel hold down method is also shown in a picture  in a later part of the post.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: dfdcaptain on December 21, 2009, 06:48:08 PM
I started about a week ago to replace my front crt with a lcd.. Everything went well until I started staining the new cherry wood face frame.  I could not get it to match the original like I wanted.  I think I have solved the problem ,I have ordered two drawer fronts from Winnebag that will have the factory finnish on them.  I can build my tv face frame from these and it should look like a factory job. More later
Bunky
03 Journey 39wd with concert cherry cabinets.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on December 21, 2009, 07:40:37 PM
Bunky - we want pictures!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: dfdcaptain on December 22, 2009, 08:24:13 AM
OK John pictures will follow upon completion.

Bunky
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Post by: Dar on December 22, 2009, 09:14:40 AM
"The hardest part was cutting the metal and then re-attaching the metal base and getting the trim to look acceptable.  I attached some photos that will illustrate the whole ordeal."

Looks great Gary, so how exactly did you cut the plastic and reattach and/or finish off? It looks real good but wondered how to handle that portion of it. It seems that most people put in fillers which is understandable but we would like to make it look stock which appears that you have pulled it off.

Thanks, Dar
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: puttin on December 24, 2009, 07:24:22 AM
Art,

I am always wanting to learn stuff and didn't think I was squeamish, but when I read about using a magnet to keep the filings out- I had to look away.  I think if I ever replace the Jensen I have in the overhead, it will be a less invasive operation...what it will be -I don't know yet.  Great post and pix though, thanks!

Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: ihbond on December 28, 2009, 09:04:06 AM
PICTURES CAN BE SEEN HERE (http://gallery.me.com/ihbond#100019)

So... for the back of the coach I went to bet buy and bought a LCD TV that worked with the previous 12v 5a adapter that the stock tube TV used. I was shocked, but maybe not as shocked to see 2 110 outlet back there as well. I got a quick release and some push on coax cables from Radioshack. I just kept it simple with 5/8 AC plywood and some hinges and a table lock. Took about 2 hours.
TV: Insignia Model: NS-19E430A10  (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insignia%26%23174%3B+-+19%22+Class+/+720p+/+60Hz+/+LED-LCD+HDTV/9460754.p?id=1218108383305&skuId=9460754&st=insignia%2019&cp=1&lp=5)
Quick Release: Ergotron FX30 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824183101)
Coax Adapter: Right angle push on  (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062634)

For the front TV, well lets just say that was FUN! had to re-inforce using a 4x4 and some guide rails for the tv support that I made from Home depot. I took the bottom trim off and used that as a stencil to cut the plywood that I used on top of the metal shelf. I still have some trim work to do, but all in all its supported pretty well (knock on winnebago wood).
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on December 28, 2009, 09:32:24 AM
Hi and welcome to rvforum!  Thanks for the post!  Please take a couple of minutes and say to everybody in the Introduce Yourself board.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 21, 2010, 11:53:53 AM
Finally - the tube TV in the Horizon will be junked  ;D!  Newegg <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889200035">had a deal</a> I could not pass up.  It's a 32" 720p Hitachi LCD for $339 plus free shipping.  The 720p will be fine for the coach - not a lot of content is 1080 anyway.

$339 is over a hundred bucks cheaper than WallyWorld's Internet price.  This TV has gotten pretty good reviews, so I'm comfortable with the purchase.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Iron Horse on January 25, 2010, 11:32:00 AM
We have a 2007 Winnebago Journey and we replaced our front tv with a 26"Sanyo Flat Screen that fit perfectly into the space without altering or making any cuts to the frame. We did add a trim board to the face of the cabinet. We used a wall mount and retained the base mount. It is very stable and weighs about 17 lbs. versus 75 lbs on the Sony. We will attempt to send some pictures.

Iron Horse

P.S. The attachments are too large and I don't know how to make them smaller to send the pictures. If anyone can help, will be glad to show our remodel job.  Thanks
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 25, 2010, 12:49:54 PM
...P.S. The attachments are too large and I don't know how to make them smaller to send the pictures. If anyone can help, will be glad to show our remodel job.  Thanks
I thought we had a forum resource about re-sizing photos, but I couldn't locate it.  Stand by while I find out.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Luca1369 on January 25, 2010, 02:27:11 PM
Finally - the tube TV in the Horizon will be junked  ;D!  Newegg <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889200035">had a deal</a> I could not pass up.  It's a 32" 720p Hitachi LCD for $339 plus free shipping.

John,

    You must have bought the last one.  I checked NewEgg and they are now out of stock on the item (Sold Out).
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 25, 2010, 03:35:23 PM
You must have bought the last one.  I checked NewEgg and they are now out of stock on the item (Sold Out).
Oh NO!  I'm sorry about that!  In fact the UPS guy delivered ours a couple of hours ago.  The mount will be delivered tomorrow.

BTW, it looks like doing the speaker mod (adding a couple of resistors to each speaker for a variable line-level output) will be extremely simple.  I have the TV on my workbench/desk right now laying face down.  The back part of the case will be easy to remove and the speakers are right there on the bottom in plain sight.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: gcharte on January 25, 2010, 06:01:18 PM
When I replace my rear TV with LCD I'm going to use a bracket system that move up an down and in and out so we can use the TV area for storage. I think that would be the best way to handle it.


Gary
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 29, 2010, 09:31:07 AM
We have a 2007 Winnebago Journey and we replaced our front tv with a 26"Sanyo Flat Screen that fit perfectly into the space without altering or making any cuts to the frame. We did add a trim board to the face of the cabinet. We used a wall mount and retained the base mount. It is very stable and weighs about 17 lbs. versus 75 lbs on the Sony. We will attempt to send some pictures.

Iron Horse

P.S. The attachments are too large and I don't know how to make them smaller to send the pictures. If anyone can help, will be glad to show our remodel job.  Thanks
Finally I found what I was looking for. Here's (http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=22671.msg219267#msg219267) a useful thread with lots of good suggestions.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: dfdcaptain on January 30, 2010, 10:43:13 AM
These are pictures from my original post about replacing my crt with a lcd.  I also made a clock from scraps and used the rear view mirror bracket to mount it.  I built the frame out of drawer fronts I ordered from Winnebago.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 30, 2010, 11:40:53 AM
Very nice job!  You're inspiring me to get my change-out started.  Got my Hitachi LCD modified for adjustable line-level audio out (to feed the Q-surround), now the hard part begins  :D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: dfdcaptain on January 31, 2010, 11:02:41 AM
I thought we had a forum resource about re-sizing photos, but I couldn't locate it.  Stand by while I find out.
I think you can rite click on the photos and click on edit and drag the box around the picture to make it as small as possible and still show the content.

Bunky
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SCVJeff on January 31, 2010, 11:51:41 PM
Very nice job!  You're inspiring me to get my change-out started.  Got my Hitachi LCD modified for adjustable line-level audio out (to feed the Q-surround), now the hard part begins  :D
John: Does your Surround Sound have optical inputs? I have a Sony in the cabinet that does, and I just plugged a fiber in for real digital 5.1 when it's there.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on February 01, 2010, 07:51:04 AM
Jeff - the "Surround sound" that Winnie used in our model years is not 5.1 Dolby.  The amplifier takes Left/Right analog audio and feeds a bunch of speakers in the coach and a woofer speaker.  Not only that, the "Q-Surround" amplifier is mounted about 10 feet away from the electronics in a bay under the driver  :o.  Access to the speaker wiring is unfortunately not convenient for a 5.1 Dolby retrofit.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Iron Horse on February 01, 2010, 09:14:43 AM
Thanks Bunky for your post. I finally got the photos resized of our remodel of the CRT TV to the LCD replacement. It is a 26" Sanyo and we didn't make any changes that we can't un-do. Here are some of the photos we would like to share.
Thank you RV Forum for all the great suggestions.
Iron Horse
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on February 01, 2010, 06:06:55 PM
Good job!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: gcharte on February 09, 2010, 07:41:50 PM
Wow! It looks real good. Lots of good ideas.



Gary
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Pops on March 10, 2010, 05:48:53 PM
We have an '04 Vectra 40AD. The HEAVY 27" Sony was located in an entertainment center directly behind the passenger seat (as it is John's Horizon as well). I was able to find a Magnavox 32" LCD/DVD (32MD359B) at Sam's for $379 that fit into the opening in the cabinet with no modification. It's only 720p, but my eyes can't tell the difference in a screen this size and we don't have HD with our TracVision anyway. I used a Sanus VM400 mount which is very stout and weighs very nearly as much as the TV does. I chose to use "multi-purpose" carpet to finish the 3/4" plywood floor and 1/4" luan sides of the cabinet because we didn't want things we put behind the TV for storage to "migrate" if possible, and the trade off for me me in time as opposed to staining and finishing was attractive. I used regular ol' contact cement to attach the carpet to the floor and side walls. The mount upright is 1x4 with a braced 2x4 backing. I also attached a power strip/surge suppressor to the 2x4 and will plug in a small LED night light on the power strip for TV watching or just a dim night light. I allowed the TV to recess a bit from flush when the mount is fully retracted to allow the use of simple 1" foam pipe insulation as the "keepers" in travel mode. How that will work out remains to be seen, but I'm hopeful. I'm still tweaking the mount, and need to replace the trim to cover the screw holes over the TV (Winnie used what appeared to be some super heavy duty double sided tape to keep that trim piece in place!!) - you can see that very plainly in the pics. I apologize for the picture resolution - it is the best I could coax out of my cell phone.  ;)  Overall, we're pretty pleased with how it came out, and I'm sure we can find something to fill up the newly found space!

Pops
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on March 10, 2010, 07:24:13 PM
Pops - good job!!

We bought a 720p TV as well - I think very few sat TV programs are a full 1080p and those are pay-per-view.  Your install looks a little similar to Rex's (LK23) except Rex (and me) lined the former CRT TV space with stained plywood.  I was considering lining the space like you did - that would have saved me hours of time and a bit of money.

Many thanks for taking the time to share your project :D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on May 17, 2010, 03:01:31 PM
Hooray - I finally wrote up (http://janeandjohn.org/pages/tvChange1.html) the replacement of the glass monster TV in the salon with our new 32" Hitachi LCD and I have a few pictures where I installed 5.1 surround speakers.  We have been using the new setup for about a month now and it works fantastically well - even the surround sound is very good even though the speaker placement is a compromise due to the rectangular shape of the salon.

I am using some foam to wedge into the sides of the TV when on the road, but it will still manage to extend a little after a few hours of road time.  Don't think this is a big deal since we used a double arm TV mount and there is little movement of the TV.  I'll keep pondering a solution for capturing the TV.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: medic0519 on May 20, 2010, 12:52:33 AM
I have a 2001 Journey 36 DL and I have been racking my brain on a neat and tidy way to change the tube tv in the bedroom to a nice lcd. I have the old tv out along with the cabinet. I am just trying to find a way to mount the new tv and still have the holes in the wall covered.
Any ideas are appreciated.
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Post by: SCVJeff on May 20, 2010, 01:57:04 AM
Got any pix?
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Post by: John Canfield on May 20, 2010, 06:30:19 AM
If you go to our RV pages on our web site (in the signature), you might get some ideas from our bedroom TV conversion.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Truck451 on May 28, 2010, 09:11:22 AM
2000 Journey 36L
Front living area
Haanspree ST259MUB 25" LCD Television
http://www.hannspree.com/US/product_detail.aspx?id=46707&c=26170 (http://www.hannspree.com/US/product_detail.aspx?id=46707&c=26170)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: maverickbbd on July 09, 2010, 04:12:41 PM
'05 Journey
36G
Front overhead

While about 2/3 way through our 12,000 mile trip I realized I needed a new satellite dish to keep the DW happy.  We had plans to stop by the factory to have them address another issue.  DW said while we there they should do the dish also.  I asked if they could and they said yes.  About a week out she said why don't I have them do the crt to lcd also.  I said okay, whatever you say dear.  Got a quote and it seemed reasonable.  So had a new Winegard Trav'ler 3005 installed.  Wanted a Sony 32" to replace the RCA.  After they started into it I was informed the Sony wouldn't work because of the sound system so got a Jensen 32".  Then I found out that it would work with my satellite receiver so got a new HR 24-500 HD DVR receiver.  They cut the big box out.  Weighed the box only and found out it was 47 #s all by itself (no including crt tv).  Only thing I was real happy with is the fact that the new tv is mounted outside the old frame.  I was hoping to have it mounted inside the space where the old box was.  The Sony would have fit but the Jensen doesn't.  Needless to say it was quite the upgrade from just a new dish.  I am overall pretty happy.
 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: budpat22 on July 09, 2010, 08:15:30 PM
How did you mount the plywood to the TV?
Pictures of mounting to frame and TV???

thanks,
budpat22
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Orick on July 13, 2010, 11:10:34 AM
In our 2007 Itasca Ellipse 40 FD we have:

1) Replaced the 27" Sony CRT "brick" above the fireplace with an HP 37" LCD...

2) Replaced the 19" LCD in the bedroom with a Sony 32" LCD...

3) Replaced the Winegard ASC 2003 dish with a Winegard Slimline Travelr...

The Slimline feeds a DirecTv HD DVR which in turn feeds all TVs via HDMI cable which I had to run.  The bedroom replacement was a piece of cake except for having to buy and route a 50' HDMI cable.  At the same time, I reversed the usage of the red/white/yellow composite cables between the bedroom tv and bedroom DVD player so we now have the better sound available for tv watching.

The living room tv replacement required a bit more modification due to the fireplace being located below the set.  I actually replaced the original fireplace (which had died) with a new one and built out the mounting cabinet about 2" to ensure the heat would clear the tv.

Next on the list is to replace the outside 20" (non digital) LCD TV with a 26" LCD yet to be determined.
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Post by: John Canfield on July 13, 2010, 08:55:47 PM
Pictures??
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Post by: hoefheim@gmail.com on July 18, 2010, 11:51:09 AM
We have a 2006 Vectra 40FD that came with a big 30" crt in the cabinet behind the passenger seat.  I pulled it out to hook up HDMI Cables and decided to forget about putting it back.  I replaced it with a 42" LCD mounted on a frame built inside the cabinet.  It is on a swivel mount.  If anyone is interested in how I did it, for this installation, let me know.  I also pulled out the Wingard distribution system and put in DishHD.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 18, 2010, 01:55:10 PM
Hi and welcome!  A few pictures of your installation in this thread would be nice.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Orick on July 18, 2010, 02:07:08 PM
We have a 2006 Vectra 40FD that came with a big 30" crt in the cabinet behind the passenger seat.  I pulled it out to hook up HDMI Cables and decided to forget about putting it back.  I replaced it with a 42" LCD mounted on a frame built inside the cabinet.  It is on a swivel mount.  If anyone is interested in how I did it, for this installation, let me know.  I also pulled out the Wingard distribution system and put in DishHD.

Welcome.  I'd love to see some photos of how you did it.  I have an Ellipse 40FD and replaced the 26" CRT with a 37".  I'll post a couple of photos soon but I'm afraid I didn't document with photos during construction.  What TV do you have in the bedroom?  Any plans to change?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: stardalo on July 27, 2010, 09:02:37 PM
Hi--  I have an 03 Journey DL.  The rear TV is mounted in a cabinet in the corner.  Anyone ever remove the cabinet?  seems like it would be a nice idea to ditch the cabinet and mount a flat screen tv directly on the wall.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 28, 2010, 08:20:06 AM
Hi and welcome!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: tennsmith on July 28, 2010, 03:44:57 PM
Hi--  I have an 03 Journey DL.  The rear TV is mounted in a cabinet in the corner.  Anyone ever remove the cabinet?  seems like it would be a nice idea to ditch the cabinet and mount a flat screen tv directly on the wall.

I have a 2000 Horizon and have a similar "angled" TV in the bedroom area.  I've removed the TV and find that behind it is some exposed wiring plus a 12vdc power outlet for the TV.  If one does as you desire (and I am considering it as well) some fascade will be required to hide the wiring.  It needs to be "removeable" in order to service the wiring, if needbe.  Done right, it should be a neat installation and the front face of the fascade could be used for wall-mounting the TV.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: judway on July 28, 2010, 08:12:05 PM
I have a 2003 Horizon 36LD and it had the same "headknocker" 19" TV. When I removed the TV and the cabinet I found the same bundle of wires which were about 3" into the bedroom. I used a 2X6 sawed diagonally for a top piece and a bottom piece. This allows the TV to be angled for better viewing and the wires are now inside of the enclosure. I needed to have the TV controls on the left or top because the right side of the TV is against the wall.  I found a 26" Sony which meets that criteria. I next built the mounting hardware from aluminum materials and a cover from thin plywood to make it look OK. I took some pictures which probably turned out OK, but at the end the flash reflections from the screen ruined the last ones. I think the installation looks great and it works good. I do not however recommend the Sony, because the remote control doesn't work very well. I have now added a platform to mount a satellite H24 receiver.

If someone wants to build the same system I will describe it more completely and add some pictures.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: stardalo on July 28, 2010, 09:41:02 PM
Judway, I would love to see some pics and hear more details.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: judway on July 29, 2010, 09:38:26 AM
These are some of the pictures from my installation.

06 Missile launch as seen from my yard at the house.
08 rear of TV with mounting plated installed
09 Rear of TV with mounting plates installed.
11 Rear of TV with mounting plates installed.
12 Space where TV will be mounted
13 Space where TV will be mounted
14 Space where TV will be mounted
16 TV mounted
17 TV mounted
18 H24 HD DirecTV receiver
22 Finished job except for clamp to hold RX to platform

12 & 13 Show how the 2X6 was sawed to make the mounting plates

8 thru 11 show the aluminum mounting plates

The smaller plate replaces the original foot to hold the TV when set on a floor. It is  mounted to the bottom 2X6.

The larger plate and the piece of angle are slid below the top mounting arm and twp long screws are installed from the top and go into the aluminum angle.

When the TV is mounted make a shroud from thin plywood to cover the open space.

When all is done it should look somewhat like as shown in 22 except nicer.

The TV is a 26" Sony 720p. The TV controls are on the top. You can probably find a better choice TV than the Sony. Be sure to check the vertical viewing angle. I had a Toshiba that was so bad that when lying on the bed, the picture almost disappeared. I took it back and ordered the Sony through amazon.com. The Sony has a great picture but the remote control is pretty bad and slow to respond.



Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: stardalo on July 29, 2010, 11:16:16 AM
Nice Work!!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: tennsmith on August 02, 2010, 12:06:05 PM
OK, after months of delay, mostly because I lacked inspiration, I have finally completed my front TV mod in my 2000 Itasca Horizon.  I replaced the 25" CRT boat anchor with a 32" Vizio LCD.  My intent, when I started was to try and make this look like it was "made this way" from the factory.  I partially succeeded, but was foiled a bit by not being able to match 100%, the color of the sun faded maple in my coach.  I'm happy with it and the looks are what I wanted to achieve.  As opposed to spending a lot of words here on how it was done, I decided to prepare a tutorial and pictures for inclusion in the library if Tom/John think that is appropriate.  If not, I can furnish both in emails to anyone who is interested.  I've posted a few pictures of the finished product.  Simply stated, I modified the metal cabinet by sawing the "ears" off it at the bottom on each side and fabricated/mounted some pieces to it to hold the new TV.  I cut the rounded front off the old wooden surround and extended the side pieces out to interface with the rear of the TV.  The old plastic was utilized and the rounded front was cut off in a straight line and that interfaced with the new wooden surround I created.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on August 02, 2010, 04:39:13 PM
...As opposed to spending a lot of words here on how it was done, I decided to prepare a tutorial and pictures for inclusion in the library if Tom/John think that is appropriate....

Great idea Bob and very nicely done project!  Can you email the file to Tom?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: stardalo on August 02, 2010, 09:21:13 PM
Very nice work.  I would love to see your writeup.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: tennsmith on August 02, 2010, 10:16:10 PM
John, I have already sent the text and pictures to Tom.  Heard back from him and he said he'd try and get it in the library tonight.  Stardalo, give him a day to get it done and if it isn't there, I'll mail you the text and pictures.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Suncircles on August 03, 2010, 07:08:22 PM
With regard to marverickbbd's post on July 9, 2010, I found this link relating to Jensen's claim that the Jensen LCD TV's are designed for RV use.  I was wondering why Winnebago factory would install the Jensen line of LCD TVs as part of maverickbbd's upgrade.  This link indicates that Jensen's models are specifically designed for the rugged RV environment.  I would appreciate more of an explanation on how the Jensen LCD TV interfaces with the surround sound system in maverickbbd's coach.

http://www.jensenrvdirect.com/products/lcd-tvs/lcd-tvs.html
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Orick on August 20, 2010, 11:17:49 AM
Finally got around to posting pics of my two TV conversions on our Ellipse 40FD.  Salon tv is an HP 37" and the bedroom is a Sony Bravia 32".  We're very happy with both.  Next comes the outside tv conversion to some form of 26".

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on August 20, 2010, 08:27:59 PM
Good job Rick!  Your salon entertainment cabinet looks like the same Winnebago design as ours was originally.
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Post by: Cuemaker on September 15, 2010, 05:57:27 AM
2005 itasca 33v crt replacement.  I am a hobby woodworker, which helped.  Removed frame, old tv, plastic tub, metal wrap around tub from old crt. I had to make a couple cuts to get the metal tub out.  Made a new frame for my Phillips 1080i 32" lcd using most of the old frame and adding hangars of oak and plywood to attach the tv bracket to the back of the tv. Put a nice covered piece of 1/4" plywood over the hole left by the plastic tub and it gives me a lot more visibility looking at mtn scenery etc... I can post pics if anyone is interested in how it looks...By using the phillips tv it is only 30 1/2 inches wide and I could make it fit inside the exhisting frame without cutting the side boards.   All I had to do was make a new bottom board and back hangars...
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on September 15, 2010, 12:57:20 PM
Can you post some pictures for everybody?
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Post by: Pushrod on September 24, 2010, 01:08:47 PM
We have an '06 Vectra 40FD, and I replaced my 30" Sony flat screen CRT with a 37" Dynex LCD.  The TV came from Best Buy on sale for $400.  The exterior dimensions were perfect, I ended up with approximately a 3/4" space all around the TV and the cabinet opening, without modification.  The LCD TV weighs only 37lbs., whereas the Sony was a struggle for two of us to handle and remove.  I made a mount for the articulating arm from 3/4" plywood, and used square u-bolts to fasten it to the 3/4" by 1 1/2" metal supports which run underneath the cabinet floor.  I also replaced the outside 25" Sony TV with a Weber Baby Q, which I use MUCH more often, and gained another considerable weight loss.  I had previously installed a Tivax digital converter, and also a Jack antenna.  Where I'm now located, I  could only receive two OTA stations, now with the LCD TV, and removing the converter, I can now receive a total of thirteen channels.  I don't have satellite TV, only a cable hookup when available, so the OTA reception comes in real handy.  I will try to post photos when I can figure out how to do that.
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Post by: maverickbbd on September 24, 2010, 01:25:46 PM
Pushrod, don't forget to get some of that fancy new 'wood' floor in the pictures.
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Post by: Pushrod on September 24, 2010, 01:34:00 PM
I guess I can do that, but I'll wait till I can open it all up to see the full effect........  Call me if you know how to post pics...... Doug
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Pushrod on September 24, 2010, 03:01:59 PM
Maybe this will work.....  As requested by MAVERICKBBD, I threw in a couple of shots of our new laminate wood flooring.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on September 24, 2010, 03:30:58 PM
Doug - thanks for the pictures!!  That's an interesting idea about securing the TV - I still don't have a good plan for that as yet.

I better not let Jane see the pictures of your floor - I would instantly have a new project  ;D  We would both like to get rid of our carpet - at least in the salon.  Was the transition from the wood flooring to tile fairly smooth?
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Post by: Pushrod on September 24, 2010, 03:58:24 PM
I only had to hand over some Benjamins to install the floor......  My wife (and I) love the new surface, very easy to keep clean, no more shampooing the carpet, and it is not cold like the tile.  We had it installed by Dave and LJ's, in Woodland,WA.  Also had MCD shades put in the front window and cab sides, easy to operate, and very dark.  Obviously, we will be keeping this coach for awhile.  Doug M.
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Post by: maverickbbd on September 25, 2010, 09:13:45 AM
Nice pics.  So what is the first game you are going to have the guys over to watch?  I'll bring the stuffed and roasted jalapenos.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on September 25, 2010, 11:09:02 AM
Ooh.. ooh - venison poppers (backstrap wrapped around a jalapeno pepper stuffed with cream cheese and wrapped in bacon)   ;D ;D Oh, forgot the freezer is empty.  Deer season open 11/6  :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Wristpin on November 07, 2010, 04:29:15 PM
The dealer we bought ours from last spring installed a LCD TV before we bought it. a 26" CRT came out and this 26" LCD went back in it's place. I thought they did a good job.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on November 07, 2010, 05:27:33 PM
Dealer did it??  You missed all of the fun!  Nice job and thanks for the post.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: maverickbbd on November 08, 2010, 03:34:10 PM
Nice trim and finish.  Can't tell from the pics if the "box" behind it was removed or not.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Wristpin on November 08, 2010, 04:40:06 PM
The box behind was not removed and I'm having trouble finding the TV amplifier, I hope the dealer didn't remove it. The Tv wiring diagram shows it in behind the tv but it's not there.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: maverickbbd on November 08, 2010, 04:55:38 PM
If you are talking about the amp for the surround sound, try looking down by your left foot when you sit in the driver's seat.  If you ever want to remove and extra fifty pounds from over your head, I would suggest removing the box.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Wristpin on November 08, 2010, 05:24:04 PM
Yes there is a booster under my left foot rest, So That does the TV surround sound also.?? Thank you!!
Now to find the plug-ins they left unplugged from the new TV.....
Can you elorbrate on the box you are referring to. I'm not sure what you are talking about.
Thanks 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Wristpin on November 09, 2010, 09:02:05 AM
Yes there is a booster under my left foot rest, So That does the TV surround sound also.?? Thank you!!
Now to find the plug-ins they left unplugged from the new TV.....
Can you elaborate on the box you are referring to. I'm not sure what you are talking about.
Thanks 


Now guys next question.....
What controls the volume when you have the surround speakers plugged in and the speaker switch set to TV?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on November 09, 2010, 12:45:49 PM
If your 'surround' sound is like mine (Q-Surround or something like that), it is driven by a variable line-level output from the TV or dash radio.  The Q-Surround is basically an amp that drives a bunch of cube speakers (and a woofer or two) and the amp controls are set at the Winnie factory.  You do not directly control the amp.  (This is how my system operates at least.)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: susann9090 on January 30, 2011, 05:44:11 PM
OK!

2 hours into my trip to Fl, I pulled into Walmart and replaced the front tv!  I put in a 22" Emerson in the Wal mart parking lot - it looks great - all i need to do is find some natural oak at a cabinet shop on my way, and I'm converted!!!!!

The original tv developed MAJOR feedback on the way, the kids were screaming, blah blah blah, $300 and 3 hours later we are rollin with great DVD's and clear sound!

Although, when I run the generator the sound is clear.  When I pull power thru the inverter, there is a small amount of feedback.  Any ideas there??
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 30, 2011, 06:00:25 PM
Although, when I run the generator the sound is clear.  When I pull power thru the inverter, there is a small amount of feedback.  Any ideas there??

Ah - DVDs - the great entertainer  ;)

Your inverter's output is not a pure sine wave, but a square wave which drives some electronics batty (or is known to cause premature failure in certain devices) - here's (http://www.powerstream.com/inFAQ.htm) a pretty decent FAQ about the issue (lower part of the page.)

You have inspired me to create the "Most Unlikely Place to do a Mod" award.  I should have anticipated this and installed my roof air in our local WalMart parking lot instead of my shop.

You rock  :D
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Post by: susann9090 on February 07, 2011, 07:23:10 AM
lol!  thats funny john, i also did some electrical work in the wal mart parking lot!

so i got the tv in, i got some oak at menards and trimmed out my existing "shroud".  it looks great.  there is no feedback when i am plugged in, or when the gen set is running, but there is a little feedback when i am running on 12v.

should i just get a new inverter?

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on February 07, 2011, 08:22:45 AM
I'm a big fan of pure sine wave inverters, but they are considerably more expensive than the square or somewhat more expensive than stepped square wave inverters.  Here's (http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/rv-converters/prosine-2-inverter-xantrex.htm) a good Xantrex pure sine wave inverter that would be a good candidate for your application.  Don't even click on the link unless you are willing to fork out about $1.5k  :P.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: susann9090 on February 07, 2011, 11:34:10 AM
wow!

for that kind of $$, i will just run the gen set while the kids are watching tv going down the road!!!

lol!  thanks!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SVTotem on June 08, 2011, 06:13:16 PM
The first order of business was the removal of the old TV and donating it to the guys in the office of the storage yard. The next and perhaps the most time consuming phase was measuring the available space and coming up with a workable means of mounting. As you can see, once the old TV is removed there remains an irregular flat surface and the front wooden frame. Not much vertical surface for mounting a flat panel unit.

My solution was to build an elevated shelf that would serve two purposes:

One, it raises the TV towards the upper portion of the frame more efficiently filling that space, while leaving suitable space below the shelf for placing a DVD player or satellite receiver.

Second, it allows a solid base to support a vertical frame element holding the TV itself. The open area to the left rear is for access to the rear of the receiver or DVD player without removing it. Well that, and I did not have the right tools for cutting the complex angles required to miter in the piece that would be required to complete that fourth side. I have installed a piece of the same carpet covering the base as a light shield over that opening to eliminate distracting light if watching TV during the day. But, who does that?

We originally planned to use a 26” TV, but since we seldom watch TV in the bedroom we elected to economize and go with a 24” unit. The mounting will accommodate a 26” TV should we, or a subsequent owner, want one. Rather than try to shave away the raised square of fiberboard in the center of the shelf I elected to retain it to hold the future DVD player in place with Velcro.

TV: Toshiba 24SL410U
Mount: Dynex DX-TVM111

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on June 08, 2011, 06:47:55 PM
Hi Bill,

Good job! 

You need to reduce the size of your pictures - can you do that?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Bobtop46 on June 09, 2011, 02:29:50 AM
2004 Itasca Sundancer 427P
Location of TV : entertainment center over passengers seat
Old TV: 27" RCA Tube Color TV, dint know the model number
New TV: 26" LED LCD 720p LG off Amazon.  Key features for me.  Power consumption (low 37watts), weight (11 pounds), Head phone jack ( got a head phone jack to RCA jack splitter off Amazon to connect to existing surround sound), RGB video input (to use as a monitor for my laptop)
Problems with the install:  The biggest problem is that when I removed the old TV I discovered the area behind the TV unfinished, bare particle board, and 1x2" framing.  Gained great access to the surround sound amp.  I cut 3/4" plywood to form a deck and cover the framing.  Next I got a discounted box of laminate flooring.  I custom cut flooring to cover bare particle board on inside of front cap, plywood covered 1x2 framing, and 3/4 plywood deck.  Mounted TV to through 3/4"plywood and 1x2 frame on extending arm.  Mounted printer behind the TV.  Connected sound Jack from laptop to sound in RGB jack on TV to get sound from laptop (DVDs, Netflicks, music) to TV.  Connected Main TV out on selector box to TV with coax TV cable (for Sat, Antenna, or cable).  Connected RGB output from laptop to back of TV to use as laptop monitor.  Connected wireless keyboard and mouse to laptop via USB.  Connected Droid 2 to USB port on laptop using PDAnet to internet access.  I removed the DVD player and use the area in the entertainmet center for the laptop.  Eventually I plan to bypass TV for sound and go directly from the laptop to the amp for surround sound system. 
I sit on the couch and check email and forums thru the Droid (as Modem) to the laptop to the TV as a monitor with wireless keyboard and mouse.   
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on June 09, 2011, 08:21:15 AM
We need pictures!!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: FrontrangeRVer on June 09, 2011, 11:34:23 AM
John needs pictures....BIG PICTURES!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Bobtop46 on June 12, 2011, 11:26:58 PM
Sorry for the slow reply.  I did not realize there would be such interest in this project. 

I would like to add more more thing.  The opening for my TV is 26".  I bought an arm that said on the box would extend 15".  I thought this was going to be enough to center my TV with room to spare.  That 15" is if you extend it from a back wall and not a side wall.  I am about 1.5" short of being centered.  I was too far along in the mounting process to bring it back for another one.  I am comfortable with this. 

Here are the requested pics.  I don't take any pics before the TV was removed.  The short cable in the after pics are for tethering my cell.  The long one is the receiver for my wireless keyboard and mouse.  I usually sit on my couch while on the internet. 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on June 13, 2011, 08:07:39 AM
Thanks for the pictures Bob!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: BizzeeBs on June 20, 2011, 08:11:15 AM
We have installed the bedroom TV in our 1997 Winnebago Adventurer (WCG34WA).  This one was pretty easily done.  There was no TV to removed so it was a matter of reinforcing the existing stud between the closet wall and the TV cabinet.   We purchased a 1 x 4 x 8 of vinyl board and cut 2 pieces from it to "sandwich" together, one inside the TV cabinet and one inside the closet.    We mounted the wall bracket (Video Secure  model #ML520B) with lag bolts and screws to this brace.  attached the mounting bracket to the rear of the TV moved into place.  We left the slide out from the original TV as it acts as a brace to hold the set from moving (just adjusted the til of the tv on the bracket.

1997 Winnebago Adventurer WCG34WA
original TV had been removed before we purchased this in February
24" DYNEX   LED/LCD HDTV-1080p-HDMI   Model: DX-24E150A11  (purchased on special @ BESTBUY for $199)


Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on June 20, 2011, 08:44:08 AM
Good job - thanks for the report!!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: BizzeeBs on June 20, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
I will post pics when we get the front 32" in installed.  Going to work on that Wednesday/Thursday after Hubby gets home, should be finished by the weekend.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Limey on June 22, 2011, 03:52:55 PM
The first job on our "new to us" Minnie Winnie 31C was to replace the TV.  Ours has the entertainment console over the cab with the TV mounted in the right side angled toward the sofa.

Removal:  I pried off the trim border from the TV opening, then pushed back the two thin, plywood "finishers" that go up each side of the TV.  Once pushed back, I was able to pry them out.  The finishers and trim are held by thin pins.  I also had to pry out the side finish panels from the DVD player space below the TV.

I now had access to the two bolts in the "hold down" strap - removed them and wrestled the old (26") TV out of its hole - man, is that heavy!

We purchased a 26" Vizio LCD to replace the CRT.  Obviously it is significantly thinner, and lighter(!) but would fit inside the opening.  I purchased two very heavy "L" brackets, a sheet of 3/4 finish plywood and a simple flat screen mounting kit that was basically four buttons and four slide-in holders (Sams Club).  I welded two 1/4-20 nuts to the back of the vertical arms of the "L" brackets, then fastened them to the original baseboard using three lag screws each.  The plywood was cut to fit the opening, stained to match the trim work and drilled for the 1/4-20 screws.  The mounting "slots" were mounted to the plywood and a rectangular hole cut to pass the cabling through.

Prior to mounting the backboard in the opening, I replaced all the side "finishers" such that the opening now resembled a shallow box.  Once the "buttons" were screwed to the rear of the TV, it was a simple exercise to pass the cables through to the TV, then "hook" the TV into the "slots". The trim piece around the original opening was replaced and the job was done!

Looks good, works great and I saved about 50lb of high mounted weight!  The coach rattles less and is probably good for at least 5mpg better gas mileage!  ;D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on June 22, 2011, 10:04:47 PM
We need pictures!  Congrats on the improvement!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: cbeierl on July 17, 2011, 01:50:17 PM
Here's a link to my posting over on irv2.com detailing my replacement of my tube Sony with a new VIZIO M320VT LED LCD HDTV:  Front LCD TV install in 2005 Vectra (Long) (http://www.irv2.com/forums/f101/front-lcd-tv-install-in-2005-vectra-long-97514.html)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 17, 2011, 05:09:02 PM
Most excellent job Chris!!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: David and Derita on August 13, 2011, 10:33:38 AM
We replaced the 32 inch Sony in our 07 Winnebago Adventurer 38-J with a 32 inch Visio LCD VA220E HDTV. The tv is located in the entertainment center behind the passenger seat. The removal was very easy and took about 30 minutes. The installation was just as easy using a articulated wall mount. Installation took about 1 1/2 hours due to having to position the wall mount in the proper position. I used a 3 inch piece of poplar stained to match the entertainment system to fill the gap on the bottom.

I also ended up replacing the Memorex surround sound system with a RCA system ($150). With the exception of the subwoofer, I used the existing speakers.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Paul & Ann on August 13, 2011, 11:01:50 AM
We replaced the 32 inch Sony in our 07 Winnebago Adventurer 38-J with a 32 inch Visio LCD VA220E HDTV. The tv is located in the entertainment center behind the passenger seat. The removal was very easy and took about 30 minutes. The installation was just as easy using a articulated wall mount. Installation took about 1 1/2 hours due to having to position the wall mount in the proper position. I used a 3 inch piece of poplar stained to match the entertainment system to fill the gap on the bottom.

I also ended up replacing the Memorex surround sound system with a RCA system ($150). With the exception of the subwoofer, I used the existing speakers.

Pictures, by chance?

Paul
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on August 13, 2011, 11:09:27 AM
Pictures, we need pictures! :D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Yellowboat on September 04, 2011, 12:32:40 AM
I'm in the process of replacing our CRT in our 2005 Sightseer 29R.  Last winter we noticed that our CRT TV had a green tint.  This summer while camping our CRT TV went pop and the picture disappeared.  I am 90 percent complete with installing a new 32” Samsung LED TV and a Panasonic Sound Bar.  I'm putting finish on our new woodwork and waiting for the delivery of a cable that I bought on EBay that will connect our dash radio to our new sound bar.   I'm turning the space occupied by our old CRT TV into storage space.  The new LED TV will pivot to allow access.  I plan to publish more info and pictures when complete.

Before starting the TV replacement project I spent a day upgrading the TV antenna wiring on our Sightseer.  We have DirecTV and a Winegard CarryOut Antenna.   Our satellite receiver needs two inputs to watch TV and to record.  In the past I used the satellite input and the cable input to feed two inputs into our satellite box.  But if we wanted to connect to the cable output in an RV park then I would bypass  the satellite receiver box by removing a wire and feeding the input directly into our TV switch box.  To fix this I ran another TV antenna wire and added a new satellite input connection to the RV.  Now I can connect to our DirecTV antenna and at the same time I can connect to an RV park cable outlet and just punch a button on our TV switch box.
 
Without the added wiring we could only watch the same program on all TVs when viewing DirecTV.  Now we can watch satellite on one TV, cable on another, and over the air broadcasts on a third as I finally installed a digital converter.

While checking our TV antenna wiring I could not find the lead going to our outside TV.   We've never used the outside TV outlet but I plan to take our kitchen TV when we head south this winter and use it at our outside TV station.   To find which wire went to which TV I connected a nine volt battery to a piece of antenna wire and I added a connector to the opposite end.  I was able to connect the battery to either end of an antenna wire and use a voltage meter to find the hot wire.  This way I was able to label each wire.   I wasn't able to find the inside end of the outside TV outlet so I ran a new antenna wire to the outside TV outlet.   Now all TV outlets work.

Here is a link to some pictures of a work in progress.  I'll add pictures when I finish.

http://s1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/JamesDAllen/Sightseer%2029R%20TV%20Replacement/

I will probably complete our project on Tuesday. 

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on September 04, 2011, 07:37:07 AM
Good job JD!

Don't forget - we need pictures!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Yellowboat on September 06, 2011, 08:26:13 PM
I'm mostly finished.  I have to return a 3' optical cable for a 4' optical cable and tie up the cable.  I also need to pick up my tools and clean the MH.

Here are pictures.

http://s1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/JamesDAllen/Sightseer%2029R%20TV%20Replacement/

Safe Travels.

JD & Kathy Allen
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on September 07, 2011, 07:30:29 AM
That looks very nice!  I like the sound bar above the TV.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: bbbeebop on September 21, 2011, 10:25:05 AM
Well all you guys have finally inspired me to switch out the old Sony 27" monster in my 05 Vectra 40FD.  The project has just started I removed the old TV and have measured the opening and purchased a new JVC LT-32DM22 with a DVD.   Getting ready to start reinforcing the bottom for the mount I opted for.  A Mor/Ryde TV Mount TV-40-001H-S.  I am considering removing the old DVD/VCR combo as old technology and just going with the DVD included in the new set.  The JVC has variable Audio output and works great with the current Winny Speaker system.  I tried it out yesterday as a trial run and everything worked great just plugged in the RCA jacks as they were before.  I will keep you updated and send pics as the project is completed.
Wish me luck.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on September 21, 2011, 12:21:45 PM
You're lucky the JVC has variable audio out - that seems to be a rare feature.  We replaced the DVD/VCR also - those are yesterday's news.

Keep us posted and take lots of pictures!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: dirko on September 24, 2011, 11:10:42 PM
Hi Ho:  Wow, lots of people have taken the leap.  I figure after 11 years it's about time.   As soon as the warranty expired on our 2000 Itasca Suncruiser I chucked the entire (enhanced) audio system and installed a 5.1 with good subwoofer.  It has worked well for over 10 years now, but was, of course, not HD.   The trick to getting home theater audio was to use a home audio receiver.  This makes the entire WI audio system a thing of the past, but has given us very good service.

The downside is the $250 for the receiver and the power to run the thing.  I used a receiver with built-in DVD player so that helped fit everything in.

The new concept is to buy another $250 receiver with HDMI a 32-inch HD TV (Vizio) and a Dish DVR and Blu Ray DVD player to replace what is now there.  I don't know why home theater receivers with built-in Blu Ray players are not more plentiful.  Has anyone found a good one?
something like a Sony STR-DH810 or even STR-DH510 with a BDP-S370 Blu Ray is the best I can find.  Any better ideas?

I am installing a Winegard MiniMax on the roof.  I actually noticed today that we don't meet the set-back from objects.  There is an FM antenna about two feet in front and a Citizens Band antenna about 4 feet away.  Has anyone had problems with installed antennas?  We have not had any that I know about the the currect tracking antenna, but the dish is a little bigger than the Winegard.  They specify a 35-inch set-back for a 15-inch high obstacle.   This is certainly more pessimistic than the pattern at our longitude would suggest.  Maybe it is meant for folks in Canada or Alaska.   Or maybe they figure one needs Fresnel Zone clearance.  Or maybe antennas don't block the signal significantly?  Any ideas?

I think I will use the idea of a horizontal bottom support with a side mount so access to the space behind the 1.5 inch thick is available for storage.  I like the recent post that made that suggestion.   Is that enough restraint for the 32-inch Vizio?

Thanks for your ideas.  What a super group.

Dirk
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on September 25, 2011, 07:58:11 AM
Here's (http://amzn.to/qBXSlR) a Sony with Blu-Ray - $370 at Amazon, a little over your budget but purchasing it would greatly assist the country's economic recovery.

Show us some pictures of your proposed area in question and maybe we can help you with planning.

I wouldn't worry too much about clearances for receiving antennas unless it is a dish that relies on line-of-sight.  Heck - you're the engineer :P .
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: dirko on September 26, 2011, 10:25:05 AM
Hi Ho:  Thanks again, John.  I did see the Sony that you suggest.  It includes a set of speakers that I don't need, so I didn't really look at it.  The receiver doesn't seem to be a receiver, but a Blu Ray with amplifiers.  We don't use the radio in the coach but rather the one in the receiver, so I think I will keep that approach.  Also, the depth of the cabinets is less than 15 inches so in order to make connections of the back of the receiver it must be less deep than that (say about 14 inches).   All of the Sony receivers are less than 14 inches.

As far as the antennas are concerned I will just mount the dish as far back as I can and let it go at that.  Receive antennas are as important as transmit antennas for satellite links.  Antennas are reciprocal which means that the transmit and receive performance is the same.  There is typically only about 2 dB of link margin for TVRO.  That seems incredibly small, but link margin is expensive.   There isn't much one can do to improve the receive performance except to use a preamp (LNB) with a lower noise figure (or noise temperature) or get a bigger antenna, so obstructions of any kind can be a link margin killer.  We have all had the TV quit when there is just a little snow of frost on the radome.   Attenuation from rain is also significant at C-Band to say nothing of the Ka-band that Direct TV uses for HD.  One thing about obstructions from verticle antennas is that it will only be a problem (if at all) when the dish is pointed in one direction.

Back up on the roof today to finish dish installation.

By the way, as I was getting my medical review for my pilot's license last week the doc said that older folks (like me) are more likely to die from accident because of breaking a hip than any other cause.  Be careful on roofs!

Dirk

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on September 26, 2011, 02:00:56 PM
... I did see the Sony that you suggest.  It includes a set of speakers that I don't need, so I didn't really look at it.

Hi Dirk - that was just a quick suggestion, there are doubtless many others out there in the market.  I have lots of speakers lying around that have been removed from service, so unused stuff gets squirreled away.

[OT]

Speaking of squirreled away, I'm doing some storage building cleaning (on the property) and I came across my student pilot license and medical certificate from 25 years ago.  I had to jump through hoops to get my medical due to some long past arrhythmia issues.  I quit flying at 40 hours when we moved to Florida from Dallas :-\  Father-in-law put his logbook away at 4,100 hours.  He was a CFII, multi-engine, and medical flight examiner.

[/OT]
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: dirko on September 28, 2011, 11:54:09 AM
Hi Ho John:  I like to keep stuff for eventual use, but my wife is an "antihorder" so that get mitigated.   I can really relate to the "jumping through hoops".   About 9 years ago I had an MI, so each year I get to do the "hoop jumping".   Just finished with the cardiologist and my internest.  I have probably had more echocardiograms (each year) than anyone I know.  Tomorrow I get to see the medical flight examiner one again.

he problem is that we spend so much time in the motorhome that I don't get as much time flying as I used to.  I know, that's a tough problem.  :) :)  Thanks again for your continued involvement in the Rvforum.  You contribute a great deal.

Dirk
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: artdecamper on October 04, 2011, 07:24:46 AM
I have a Sunrise 32V. We do not like looking up at an angle to watch TV.  The easy chair that normally sits behind the passenger seat was not there when we purchased the unit so Cleo the dog sleeps there. I'm taking about 8 inches of the floor space and installing a flat screen with a lift. Using a lift as I will be blocking a window when watching TV. Will make a cabinet to match current wood work which will hide TV and lift when not in use. This is a work in progress and will post some pictures when it's done. The existing TV location will be modified into a storage cabinet for DVD and what ever.  Rear TV has been removed and space turned into a towel storage cabinet.  Purchased a 32 inch Samsung LED/LCD from Costco for $376 CND and have been using it a little in the house to break it in prior to install in MH. :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on October 04, 2011, 08:08:20 AM
... Purchased a 32 inch Samsung LED/LCD from Costco for $376 CND and have been using it a little in the house to break it in prior to install in MH....

Breaking it in first in the house is a very good idea.  Good luck and take lots of pictures for us!!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: ennored on October 06, 2011, 12:58:52 PM
My turn in the barrel....

Getting close to being done. I did things a little different. First the background; '04 Adventurer, 26" Sony CRT over the dash, replaced with 32" Panasonic.

What I did differently is to totally remove the face frame, the plastic shroud underneath, and the metal frame that held the original TV. Biggest surprise to me was how much the metal piece I took out weighed; 40 pounds! That and a 77 pound TV means I'll loose almost 100 pounds with the new setup. I modeled the setup after what is done in the Sightseers with front flat TVs.

After I had it all removed, I just installed a piece of wood just behind the cabinet faces on the sides, made a hole in it access the connections. Only comes down as far headliner on the bottom. Carpeted the new panel with cheap black automotive style carpet. Simple non-adjustable mount for the TV bolted to the new panel.

The new TV only hangs a few inches below the cabinets on either side. I need to make a new headliner still, to cover where I removed the plastic shroud, but some luan and some cheap tan vinyl will take care of that. I will be adding some powered visors at the same time, no old holes from that swap is a bonus.  Some damage from the old face rubbing on the "wood" of the side cabinets to deal with sometime, but that is mostly cosmetic.

Sorry no pics yet, just hung the TV in place last night. Be on vacation in a week, get some pictures then.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: bbbeebop on October 06, 2011, 02:04:59 PM
Well the old Sony is gone and the new 32" JVC is installed.  Lot's more room in the upper cabinet too, as the old DVD/VCR is history.   :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on October 06, 2011, 05:25:44 PM
Nice job!!
I like your mount - what kind is it?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: bbbeebop on October 07, 2011, 09:57:50 AM
 A Mor/Ryde TV Mount TV-40-001H-S.  I got it from Tweety's RV on the net.  Good price, works great.  Haven't traveled with it yet but it does lock in place and looks like it will keep everything where it belongs.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on October 07, 2011, 12:34:17 PM
Interesting. I still haven't engineered a travel lock for our LCD install - so far I am just living with its propensity to work its way out an inch or two.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Yellowboat on October 10, 2011, 06:23:54 PM
LED TV Installation Update

I had to modify my TV installation.  It wasn't unexpected.  I knew that I might need to secure the TV when traveling.  When driving the TV would tilt forward over time and start rattling.  I made a wooden clip that sits on top of the TV and wedges behind the sound bar that keeps the TV from tilting forward.

Pictures of clip below:

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/JamesDAllen/Sightseer%2029R%20TV%20Replacement/2011-10-07164900.jpg
http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/JamesDAllen/Sightseer%2029R%20TV%20Replacement/2011-10-07164914.jpg

Another problem: I was not able to control the sound bar volume with my DirecTV remote control.  I have searched for a DirecTV remote code but none worked.  I contacted both DirecTV and Panasonic and neither could help me.  I connected the sound bar to the TV using an optical cable.  I read last night that someone connected the sound bar to their TV using a HDMI cable and they were able to use any remote.  I just tried a HDMI cable and it works.  I can now control sound bar volume using the DirecTV remote. 

Safe Travels.

JD & Kathy


Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on October 10, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
Thanks for the report JD.  I can't use a wedge like you did - I need to get brain cells working on solving my problem.  I'm not familiar with your sound bar - I suppose it contains its own amplifier?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: ennored on October 12, 2011, 12:24:32 PM
My turn in the barrel....

Getting close to being done. I did things a little different. First the background; '04 Adventurer, 26" Sony CRT over the dash, replaced with 32" Panasonic.

What I did differently is to totally remove the face frame, the plastic shroud underneath, and the metal frame that held the original TV. Biggest surprise to me was how much the metal piece I took out weighed; 40 pounds! That and a 77 pound TV means I'll loose almost 100 pounds with the new setup. I modeled the setup after what is done in the Sightseers with front flat TVs.

After I had it all removed, I just installed a piece of wood just behind the cabinet faces on the sides, made a hole in it access the connections. Only comes down as far headliner on the bottom. Carpeted the new panel with cheap black automotive style carpet. Simple non-adjustable mount for the TV bolted to the new panel.

The new TV only hangs a few inches below the cabinets on either side. I need to make a new headliner still, to cover where I removed the plastic shroud, but some luan and some cheap tan vinyl will take care of that. I will be adding some powered visors at the same time, no old holes from that swap is a bonus.  Some damage from the old face rubbing on the "wood" of the side cabinets to deal with sometime, but that is mostly cosmetic.

Took a quick pic in the dark last night, gets the idea across, nothing left of the original TV setup.


Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Scott-0168 on October 17, 2011, 08:22:05 PM
Just finished my TV upgrade in my Winnebago 06 31C Outlook that has a overhead entertainment center. Sorry no pictures!
I changed out the 25 inch RCA with a new 26 inch Samsung flat screen. I used 3/4 inch finish plywood to construct a 4 sided 6 inch deep box to fit the opening of the old TV. Then a  3/4 plywood back was added also. I mounted the box on the inside of the opening resting it on the original steel frame on the bottom of the opening. Then holding the box against the opening I screwed it into place thru the original outside trim. Covered the 4 countersunk holes with wood plugs and stained everything to match my original Winnebago trim.
I held the TV in place by drilling 2 counter sunk holes thru the bottom plastic base. I just have some packing material holding the top of the TV for now while traveling. Don't forget to take it out while playing the TV because of heat buildup!
What a great looking upgrade, if I do say so myself!  :)
Scott  ;D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: bbbeebop on October 19, 2011, 04:22:49 PM
Just took the Vectra on a twenty mile warm up run to fill it with propane for the Winter.  The new Flat screen stayed put with the Mor/Ryde mount, didn't rattle or make noise, I guess the project can now be determined a success.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on October 19, 2011, 04:47:02 PM
Congrats!!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: lajuene on October 29, 2011, 06:39:50 PM
I have a different angle of attack on this one. My 2004 Vectra 40AD has the side mounted TV but it's not where I want it even if it was an LCD. I saw some new models that had a TV mounted in the buffet and a motor to raise it up and down to hide it away when travelling. The buffet is where we really wanted the TV. The usual place is no directly accross from the recliner and the TV can't be seen when at the table eating so we decided to temporarily let the TV just sit on the buffet and to lay it on the bed when travelling. I'm going to experiment with an idea of putting an eye hook or two above the buffet and hooking a bungee from the eye hooks to the tv when traveling and taking the bungee off for appearances when parked. Velcro under the TV's stand would keep it from moving side to side. I got a 32 inch LCD LED that is VERY thin and weighs only 18 pounds. This is not an elegant solution but we will live with it for a while to see how it works until we come up with a better idea.

In the mean time our rig is at the local dealer getting prepped for our fulltime launch in the spring. One thing they are doing is puting a couple doors on the opening that held the TV. This way it will be another storage area. In the future we may do something different but this is our permanent/temporary solution


As requested here is my particular info:

Model, model year, floorplan of your Winnebago Industries RV
2004 Vectra 40AD

Location of replaced TV (dash, bedroom, etc.)
Living room behind passenger front seat, facing to the driver side sofa/recliner

Make, model, size of TV to be replaced (if known)
Sony 27FS100N

Make, model number, size of replacement LCD
Samsung UN32D6000 32-Inch 1080p 120Hz LED HDTV

Issues with the replacement, other comments
see above text

Trav'ler satellite dish for direct TV is also being installed.
We LIKE everything we like.... We are nevr just CAMPING.
We are fulltimers. (or will be in 7 months)

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: jglass on November 28, 2011, 06:53:15 PM
This TV is in my 1989 Itasca.   I would like to replace it but we are not interested in a large TV.   I would like to fill the same space with a new digital TV.

I would appreciate hearing some ideas on how to do this.

Old TV (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/jglass/Motorhome/oldTV.jpg)

Thanks,
Jim & Deanna
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on November 29, 2011, 08:20:50 AM
Others have gone before you - there are six pages of ideas in this thread, many are over-the-dash conversions.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: artdecamper on December 17, 2011, 03:12:23 PM
I have a Sunrise 32V. We do not like looking up at an angle to watch TV.  The easy chair that normally sits behind the passenger seat was not there when we purchased the unit so Cleo the dog sleeps there. I'm taking about 8 inches of the floor space and installing a flat screen with a lift. Using a lift as I will be blocking a window when watching TV. Will make a cabinet to match current wood work which will hide TV and lift when not in use. This is a work in progress and will post some pictures when it's done. The existing TV location will be modified into a storage cabinet for DVD and what ever.  Rear TV has been removed and space turned into a towel storage cabinet.  Purchased a 32 inch Samsung LED/LCD from Costco for $376 CND and have been using it a little in the house to break it in prior to install in MH. :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Scott-0168 on December 17, 2011, 03:24:19 PM
This TV is in my 1989 Itasca.   I would like to replace it but we are not interested in a large TV.   I would like to fill the same space with a new digital TV.

I would appreciate hearing some ideas on how to do this.

Old TV (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/jglass/Motorhome/oldTV.jpg)

Thanks,
Jim & Deanna

I would look for another area in your MH if possible. The space/TV looks small. Just my 2 cents.

Scott  :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Art In Mobile on January 04, 2012, 08:16:25 AM
Up date on my June of 2009 front TV mount is as follows, no squeaks and still VERY solid mount. It was only about 1 hour of work to drill threw the plastic from the rear where the original case halves were. This might have seemed like a lot of work but it was not. I can't imagine a better mount. See page one for photos. Art
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 04, 2012, 12:00:00 PM
Thanks for the update Art!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Trooperbart on January 09, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
Newbie here. Purchased a 2001 Itasca Horizon 35' from FL last spring now in winter storage in northern IL.  I banged my head too many times on bedroom CRT-TV cabinet which I'd like to remove and replace with a wall mounted LCD-TV.  How difficult is it to remove the cabinet and will there be ceiling material behind the cabinet so it doesn't look strange?  The front LCD-TV is next but that seems to be well documented here.  Any info/thoughts/encouragement welcome. Thanks.

Trooperbart
2001 Winnebago Itasca Horizon 35'
Searching for a good toad
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 09, 2012, 12:08:56 PM
Hi and welcome aboard!!

Hard to say what's behind cabinetry - for my front and bedroom TV, the area behind the TVs were unfinished so some woodworking was required to finish off the space.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: CaptBill on January 27, 2012, 10:19:41 PM
Trooperbart, there is ceiling material behind the TV cabinet. Mine is an '02 Horizon, so I think it's the same as your's. I removed the TV and corner cabinet this afternoon, and it was a bit of a PITA, but not too bad. The problem I had removing it, is that the metal strap that clamps the TV down, is glued to the top of the set, and screwed to the bottom shelf on each side. Had troubbe getting those screws out, as there is no clearance. So I removed the bottom shelf from under the cabinet, and that allowed the tv to tilt backwards, then I could push it back at an angle, and get to those screws.

Once the TV and corner cabinet are removed, what you will find is a 21" by 22" hole in the wall. There is no paneling behing the TV. But the ceiling material is there, all the way back to the wall. Now that I got the old TV out, I don't yet know how I will mount the 26" flatscreen that I bought (which has controls and a built-in DVD player in the left side).

I am open to suggestions. May install a piece of plywood over the hole, and mount the TV to it, using a wall bracket, or ??? I may need to spring for a piece of cherry veneer plywood for the project, as the interior cabinetry in the motorhome is cherry. I don't think stained plywood would look all that good, even though it will mostly be behind the TV.

ANyone have some pics of their bedroom TV project, from '01-'02-'03 Journey/Horizon?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Stealthbusa on February 07, 2012, 06:12:02 AM
Is it just me or were the designers drunk on hard liquor when they decided to put a TV screen in a position that is really uncomfortable to watch.

Should have let the Germans do the design  ;D

Moving mine to sit opposite of the sofa where it really should sit.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Paul & Ann on February 07, 2012, 10:18:07 AM
Is it just me or were the designers drunk on hard liquor when they decided to put a TV screen in a position that is really uncomfortable to watch.

Should have let the Germans do the design  ;D

Moving mine to sit opposite of the sofa where it really should sit.

I agree. I guess putting tv over the driver and passenger's head was to get it out of the way.  That is one the main reasons that we bought a Winnebago Voyage with the 38 J floor plan, as the tv is across from the recliners we have installed.

Paul
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: BernieD on February 07, 2012, 11:07:31 AM
I agree. I guess putting tv over the driver and passenger's head was to get it out of the way.  That is one the main reasons that we bought a Winnebago Voyage with the 38 J floor plan, as the tv is across from the recliners we have installed.

Different strokes for different folks. We prefer the TV overhead. We can enjoy the outdoors while watching and our new LCD installation tilted the screen a little downward to give a very good viewing angle.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Dougie Brown on February 09, 2012, 09:59:07 PM
Great thread - thanks John for starting it.  :)  We're arriving in Casa Grande, AZ next week for 3½ months, and my priority job is to replace the hulking great Squeak-Monsta as soon as possible with a 26" or 32".

I'll no doubt be whimpering on here in due course!  :o

Dougie.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Scott-0168 on February 10, 2012, 02:55:32 PM
Great thread - thanks John for starting it.  :)  We're arriving in Casa Grande, AZ next week for 3½ months, and my priority job is to replace the hulking great Squeak-Monsta as soon as possible with a 26" or 32".

I'll no doubt be whimpering on here in due course!  :o

Dougie.

I found a 26 inch flat screen at Walmart to fit in the space my 25 inch RCA dinosour. What a great upgrade!

Scott  :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on February 10, 2012, 03:11:43 PM
Scott - we need pictures!!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Dougie Brown on February 10, 2012, 06:55:30 PM
Yeah - c'mon Scotty!  Beam us up!  :D

Dougie.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Director on February 28, 2012, 09:51:10 PM
I just looked at some fantastic work above. I will be picking up a Winnie 35A Adventurer, 2005 - new to us - in a couple weeks. First thing is to get rid of CRT's. I have an LG in our Pace Arrow that is a 32 inch. Measured from above and have about a3/8 inch difference to be able to use the same again. Anyone done this particular coach?

ANd thanks for the group. Good advice.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on February 29, 2012, 07:36:57 AM
Hi and welcome aboard!  The Adventurer is a very popular model - you should have lots of company here.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Director on March 23, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
Anyone have a step by step guide to getting the shroud off the main TV in the 2005 Adventurer we just got? I got the rear TV out and since it had a bad power supply -- it's in the dumpster. Now it's time to replace both and I want to wind up with storage compartments behind both. That's several cubic feet of good space.
Thanks in advance....
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Wanderman on March 23, 2012, 09:48:16 PM
My Aero Cruiser came with a 9" 120v/12v CRT TV in a custom full side to side fiberglass enclosure that is part of the roof and forward structure. Thankfully(?) at some point someone changed it to a huge 13" CRT TV 120V only...but hey, it had a VHS VCR built-in!

All kidding aside, I hated it. Wanted better resolution, lower power consumption and lighter weight. LCD tvs were a natural swap. Of course this being ME there was no LCD TV that would fill the cutout. It's a 4:3 (nominal) ratio and 4:3 TVs are hard to find. besides I wanted more resolution for a better picture from other digital sources like streaming media, my laptop, etc.

You can read all about the project (and my frequent missteps) here:

http://www.thewanderman.com/2012/03/tv-on-monitor-more-entertainment-for.html (http://www.thewanderman.com/2012/03/tv-on-monitor-more-entertainment-for.html)

I had to find some way of showing composite TV and everything else including directv, and vga all on this LCD computer monitor.

It works pretty well.. Have a few interference issues to work out, but I'm happy. (Mostly.)

Rich "The Wanderman"
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on March 23, 2012, 09:55:13 PM
Doesn't sound like we have any specific help for your Adventurer here  :(.  Give Winnebago Owner Relations a call Monday and ask them.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mickey53usa on March 26, 2012, 09:16:10 AM
2009 Winnebago Destination 37G - Adding Front TV

Well, wife and I decided that we did need a front TV. The 37 inch Flat Screen is nice, but you need to have the slide out to use it. When we make that quick overnight stop at Wal-Mart, Sam's or (insert location), putting that slid out is not a viable option. The Bedroom TV suffers from a view angle problem (which is on the to-do list), if you are lying on the bed or sitting on the bed, there is not enough downward angle on the TV to really see it. Besides if I want to stay up and watch the news and the wife wants to sleep well......

The front TV was an option (61E). The wiring was not installed for this (according to Winnebago) in my motor home, but all I need is the TV Coax which I can access from the wall plate by the passenger seat.

So, I have almost completed the installation - almost meaning I need to add a little trim work.

Will start with wiring. I contacted Winnebago Customer services and asked if the wiring was pre-installed. They advised that it was not. The wiring consisted mainly of an antenna cable and a composite video cable and audio cables all coming from the entertainment center in the center of the motorhome. As mentioned above I had a TV outlet by the front passenger seat, and that tested good, and it is controlled by the "TV 2" switch on the video switch. "TV 2" also controls the bedroom TV and the antenna outlet for the external entertainment area inside one of the bays. So, I knew that all that would be required would be a coax run from the passenger seat to the front overhead cabinets. (Photographs are attached and I will try and explain them here - this will be lengthy) I knew by looking at the wiring diagrams, it showed that there was a junction block in the antenna coax from the center entertainment center to the passenger TV outlet and that a coax cable off this junction block went to the front TV.
I started by removing the wall plate that the passenger TV jack was connected to. I found the coax, unmarked, (as per Winnebago Wiring Diagrams) going to the back of the cabinet it was mounted to. To really find out where it went, I had to remove the cup holder adjacent to the passenger's seat. Once the cup holder was removed, I found that the coax entered the wall to the rear of the passenger seat window. I then deduced that maybe it went forward and up the passenger side A-Pillar to the front overhead cabinet. After removing the A-Pillar cover, I could not find the coax. Next step was to remove a forward panel in the passenger side overhead cabinet that has the satellite switch attached to it. Inside, with the help of a camera (I am going to purchase an inspection camera one of these days) I was able to see a coax junction block, with all ports filled.
I was able to reach in and find a "loose" coax that was connected only to the junction block. The other end was free and I was able to put it through the existing cut out, into the front cabinet. This was a joyful moment. I was not going to have to run another coax cable. I searched around the best I could, hoping to find that the composite video cable and audio cables had also been installed, no luck. Well, I really just wanted the OTA antenna, and with luck, I should be able to get satellite through the coax from the switch (though satellite to the rear TV from the switch has not worked).
So now it was on to installing the mounting bracket for the TV. Since this post is long with lots of pictures, I will break here and continue with another post.

Photo one - the front overhead cabinet from the factory.
Photo two - the passenger seat TV outlet
Photo three - panel in the passenger overhead cabinet with satellite switch
Photo four - wiring behind the panel - looking to the front cap. You can see the coax junction block in the lower left
Photo five - cable coming out the access into the front overhead cabinet.

Part two - later today or tomorrow

Michael


Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on March 26, 2012, 11:11:08 AM
Excellent!  Looking forward to part two.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mickey53usa on March 26, 2012, 11:21:18 AM
2009 Winnebago Destination 37G – adding front TV
Part two of this project – the mounting of the TV

For mounting, I choose to use the Winnebago designed and manufactured TV mounting bracket. This kept me from having to design something from scratch, and assured me that it would stand up to the rigors of motorhome travel. I have designed mounts in the past – specifically for a 1999 Adventurer, when I replaced the CRT and replaced with an LCD, so although designing a mount is not foreign to me, I was also looking at saving time.

The mount is two basic pieces. The main support that screws into the cabinet and the TV mounting panel the attaches to the TV, then to the main support. The Main support sits on the bottom of the cabinet, and attaches with four ¾ #8 screws. I did need to add a 3/8 thick piece of wood between the bottom shelf (floor) of the cabinet and the bottom of the main support. This was accomplished with a trip to Lowe’s and purchasing a 24x3/8x4 inch piece of wood. Available as “craft wood.” The interior of the front overhead cabinet is “stepped.” The front section lower than the rear section. The support overlaps the exterior “rail” of the cabinet on top and each side takes two ¾ #8 which go into the frame horizontally and one ½ #8 that goes in vertically. The TV mount has a “hook” built into it that goes over the top of the main support frame, and then attaches with one ½ #8 one each side. I found that a #8 is to large, so I intend to thread the holes in the main support so a #8x32 or 24 bolt can be used.

I also purchased and installed the two vertical “electrical” panels to install along the sides of the main TV support. In a factory install these panels are designed to hold an electrical outlet, speaker switch and the like. I installed them just to close off the area behind the TV so I did not have go chasing items that might slide in the cabinet and get lodged behind the TV. The panels attach to the upper “step” of the cabinet on the bottom, to the back of the cabinet and to the ceiling of the cabinet with ½ #8 screws on the back and top and ¾ #8 on the legs. Again a 3/8x6” spacer was required under the bottom “legs” of the panel.

Photo one - Mounting parts - Center is the main support, below that is the TV bracket.
Photo two - Main support installed
Photo three - Main support with the "electrical" panels

Part three of the series will deal with the TV bracket and the attachment to the TV and the main support.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mickey53usa on March 26, 2012, 03:15:28 PM
2009 Winnebago Destination 37G – adding front TV
Part three of this project – the mounting of the TV bracket

The TV mounting bracket – the section that attaches to the TV proved to be the most challenging. The mount bracket is designed for a Sharp LCZ6D43U 26 inch LCD. Physical dimensions of the Sharp TV are 26x18x3. It also has a VESA 100x100 mount. I choose a Samsung LED LCD, model UN26D4003. This TV is slightly smaller, but the main difference is a VESA 200x100 mounting area. This meant that I had to adapt it down to a 100x100. To do this I used two pieces of ½ x1/8 flat aluminum, each about 9 ¼” long. I drilled two holes in the center of each strip, matching the factory mount and put in #10 x 1” bolts. I connected the flat aluminum to the TV using industry standard M4x70mm bolts.

During the lay-out of the mounting bracket to the TV, I noticed that the TV attach point were relatively high on the TV. The mounting holes in the bracket, designed to match the slots on the main support, seemed to indicate that the mount of the Sharp LCD TV was more on center on the TV. If I were to use the “factory” holes on the bracket, then the TV would be low, well below the cabinet bottom. Since there was space on the TV bracket, I drilled another set of holes higher on the bracket. This way the TV would mount to the main support toward the top. Making this modification of course caused two, later to be three other problems. First, on the bottom of the TV bracket was a second square hook, which looked like it was designed to catch and support the bottom edge of the TV. This hook rested against the back of the TV I was trying to install. Choice was to cut this support hook off. As I examined the TV bracket, I noticed that the support hook on the bottom was a separate piece of steel that was riveted and spot welded on the TV bracket. I drilled the rivets out, then drilled the welds and took a cold chisel and used it and a hammer to separate the pieces. OK, one problem solved, the next one was that the TV bracket obstructed the antenna connector on the TV. This I solved by drilling a 1/2” hole through the TV bracket where the antenna connected. Now problem two was solved.

Problem three was that the new mount holes for the TV in the bracket did not line up with the slots in the main support, so the TV would not attach to the main support. Now I was at a little disadvantage. First, I had already screwed the main support to the cabinet, so I did not want to take it out. Second, the motorhome is about four miles from my home/garage where all the heavy duty power tools are. So, after making a trip back home to get big drill bits, I drilled two holes in the main support where the bolts from the bracket would go. This allowed the TV bracket to mount on the main support “as designed.”
Things looked good, until I discovered that the main support also covered the antenna connector. All the other connectors were free and clear, except the TV connector. Back to the drill, another hole, closer to ¾” was made in the main support to allow the antenna cable through to the connector.
So, I then aligned the bottom holes of the bracket with the holes in the main support, put in two screws, attached the power cable, and I was ready to test. To make sure that I did not have a viewing angle problem, I spaced the top of the TV bracket away from the TV with some washers. This gave the TV a downward tilt.

So, now I have to put some trim along the edges of the cabinet to hide the opening that was not covered by the TV. I think that I have some stock left over from the kitchen remodel of the S&B that matches pretty closely to the finish on the motorhome cabinets.

Cost wise – the mount cost about 2/3rds the cost of the TV.  Would I go the same route in the future (using the “factory”) mount?  Maybe. One thing for sure, it was nice having steel components that for the most part fit right out of the box. This in itself reduced fabrication time.

I’ll post pictures with the trim in place when I complete it. Be a couple weeks as work will be getting in the way of play and travel.

Photo one – Adapter – 200x100 to 100x100 mount
Photo two – TV bracket, attached. Lower hook removed and hole for antenna cable
Photo three – Main support with holes drilled to accommodate upper bracket mounting bolts and antenna cable
Photo four -  Semi complete
Photo five – TV installed – gap around edges

Part four will be the finished – with trim result.

Michael
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on March 26, 2012, 03:45:15 PM
Good job.  With just a little trim, you're done!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Scott-0168 on March 26, 2012, 04:20:44 PM

I saw a cool TV retro while in Florida this year. This owner of a HR mounted his flat screen under the cabinet like the one pictured above. He mounted the TV on a custom made mounting plate. Then with custom made hinges he attached it to the over head cabinet and Plate. The TV would swing up, screen first against the cabinet when traveling. he used snap latches to hold it in place while in the up/storage position.
Sorry no pictures taken!  :-[

Scott  :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mickey53usa on April 09, 2012, 11:16:05 AM
OK, job completed -

I had some finished maple left over from our cabinet install in our S&B (I know I keep stuff for a reason) and the finish was a pretty close match to the maple in the motorhome. Basically I needed to install an additional "stile" alongside existing ones and then anchor the additional "stiles" to the existing stiles and rails of the cabinet. My original thought was to take a thin piece of plywood, cut in larger than the additional stile, attach it to the new stile, this would give me an area to attach it to the existing stiles and rails. The more I thought, the more the plan changed - I ended up getting steel "mending plates" and attaching those to the new stiles. This gave me an "ear" to use to connect to the existing cabinet work. The pictures will give you a better idea of what I did. But, it is done, looks "almost" factory. I discovered that the TV is actuall about an 1/8 inch out of level. And someday if it bothers me enough, I will take it apart and correct the mounting holes in the attachment plate on the TV.

Photo one - picture of the back of the additional stile with attachment plates
Photo two - same stile, only the front side
Photo three - same stile - edge view
Photo four - back of the additional stile once installed
Photo five - the TV with out the final trim
Photo six - the final project

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: FrontrangeRVer on April 13, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
I was able to remove my 26/27" Sony CRT from the front overhead cabinet and mount a 32" Vizio in it's place.  It took me several days to finally decide that I would make my own mount and mount this flush against the front facia with a metal bracket/plywood behind it WITHOUT using an articulating mount.  I did not want any rattles or sounds coming from this TV area as I had my fill of these sounds with the massive 77 lb CRT TV I removed.   :)

I ended up cutting about 1 1/2" off of each inside sides of the front facia, and lined the complete inside edges with the smooth part of velcro to limit rattling.  I am not interested in having any more "storage" space behind the TV, so that space was unused and left as was.

Please excuse these pictures as I took them with my iPhone. 

Picture 1:  Facia is cut and lined with the smooth part of velcro.  Most of the 3 1/2" LCD will be inside the cabinet with only about an inch on front of the facia.

Picture 2:  The bracket and my plans for screwing it to the sides of the metal enclosure

Picture 3:  Home made bracket on the back of the TV.  I will hold this TV WITH bracket installed on it up to the front facia and hold it with Bungie cords while I screw the brackets to the metal enclosure.

Picture 4:  While the TV was out, I went ahead and installed insulation across the front/top.  Winnebago should have insulated this area, but I guess they think the 1/2" of spray on stuff is sufficient.

Picture 5:  Back of TV inside the enclosure....yeah unused storage space, but who cares.....I dont want it.

Picture 6:  TV is flush against the facia

Picture 7:  Finished angle showing flush TV

Picture 8:  Whew!  Finished!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on April 13, 2012, 10:03:24 PM
Michael & Mark - whoo-hoo, great job guys!  Talk about a popular thread - this one has 20,000+ views!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: artdecamper on May 01, 2012, 05:52:02 PM
Promised Pics of my TV replacement re thread 144 and 145. Here they are, tried to post them before but they wouldn't go, then spent 3 months in Arizona enjoying my new TV.

I removed the overhead TV, manufactured a lift, and bulit a cabinet around it on the side where an easy chair would sit, across from the sofa. It worked out great, no more sore necks looking up sideways.
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Post by: Dougie Brown on May 01, 2012, 06:19:44 PM
Wow!  That's lateral thinking.  It would work in ours too, but the swivel recliner chair would have to go.

Hmmmmm....

Dougie.
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Post by: winnone on May 01, 2012, 07:06:54 PM
Wow, nice job Art!  Contemporary styling, doesn't take up much room and very secure for travel!  Good design.  Thanks for sharing!   :)
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Post by: John Canfield on May 01, 2012, 10:04:15 PM
Looks great Art!!
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Post by: Dougie Brown on May 02, 2012, 12:06:20 AM
Art, are there notes on how you constructed the lift?  I think I spot a locker strut!

Dougie.
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Post by: Director on May 13, 2012, 06:48:39 AM
As promised earlier, I have finished the bedroom TV replacement. The full story, complete with pictures in some kind of definition can be seen by clicking right  http://newphasor.com/Max_s_stuff.html.
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Post by: John Canfield on May 13, 2012, 07:33:52 AM
Good job Max!  Mounting the TV on a cabinet door was a great idea.
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Post by: bbbeebop on May 14, 2012, 08:54:41 AM
Art, Nice work I love the design.  Question:  How did you accomodate the return air vent under your new cabinet, is there a grate of some sort on the side?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: winnone on May 14, 2012, 07:33:55 PM
Very nice job Max!  Neat, organized, secure and gives lots of room for other items in that cabinet.  Makes a person start thinking what can be done. :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: rogertai on June 03, 2012, 06:23:37 AM
I'm installing a digital satellite dish and want to replace the CRT TV in my 2005 Winnebago adventurer 37b any tips.
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Post by: John Canfield on June 03, 2012, 08:11:58 AM
... any tips.

Welcome Roger!  Tips - yes.  Read through this thread and then look over the Remodeling board posts (in rvforum.)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: johntk on June 20, 2012, 04:17:53 PM
Original Post in Winnebago specific issues / Sightseer TV/DTD (March 5, 2012)
2007 Winnebago Sightseer 29R

I have an analog TV between the passenger/driver and want to remove it to install a digital TV. I removed the wood frame but was not able to determine a way to get behind the TV to get it out.
Has anyone found the way into the TV compartment without tearing out upholstery either under or on the sides of the compartment?

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June 20, 2012
2007 Winnebago Sightseer 29R

I'm finally back to working on getting my TV replaced.  Thanks to all who responded to the original post.  I've also read thru this Survey of CRT to LCD thread.  Lots of ingenious ideas and terrific craftsmanship.  It makes me feel pretty dumb to not even be able to get my TV out. 

Which brings me to the situation and problem I hope  somebody can help me with.  My overhead TV cabinet installation appears to be the same or at least very similar to all Winnebago models old and new.  However the TV mounting is not.  The TV is an old Sharp HD, vice a CRT.  There is no metal strap holding it in.  The mounting looks similar to what some of you have done with your new TV's: 
wood running laterally across the metal case and screwed to the sides of that case -
TV wall-mount running vertically and screwed to lateral piece of wood -
then the TV held in place forward with Velcro against the fascia.

This information was gleaned by climbing onto the dashboard and peeking thru the hole in the back of the metal case.  There's just enough room to see inside, but not nearly enough to reach my hand/arm in to loosen bolts.
It appears that what I need is a way to remove the upholstery from all around the lower part of the metal case.  This will expose the openings in the metal case and allow access to the rear of the TV and to its mounting.  There are 2 wood screws running thru the upholstery at the very front of the case, which is a start;  but the upholstery is far too solidly installed all around the case for these screws to be the only anchors.  There must be another mechanism along the sides and the back of the lower portion of the metal case for holding the upholstery in place.
 
I've noticed that no one has spent much time explaining how they removed their TV.  This leads me to believe that I am overlooking something very simple.  I hope that someone will take pity and be kind enough to point it out to me.

Thanks,
John                                          







Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on June 20, 2012, 08:17:47 PM
..I've noticed that no one has spent much time explaining how they removed their TV....

My replacement is fully documented here (http://janeandjohn.org/pages/tvChange1.html).
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 22, 2012, 08:07:57 AM
While at the 2012 Winnebago Grand National Rally, one of the vendor booths was from MOR/ryde (http://www.morryde.com/) - these are the guys that Winnebago buys all of their locking, telescoping or rotating TV mounts from. They weren't retailing mounts when we did our flat panel install, or I would have gone with one of their locking mounts.  Have a look at their website (http://www.morryde.com/aftermarket/tv-mounts.html) when you start shopping for mounts!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: bbbeebop on July 22, 2012, 11:09:41 AM
Yup!  Mor-ryde makes a great mount.  I discussed this back on page 5 of this thread.  Have had it in for about a year now and all is great.  I think I even suggested a vendor, but I don't remember. 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 22, 2012, 05:09:34 PM
Sorry - I didn't remember you beat me to the recommendation  ???!
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Post by: bbbeebop on July 24, 2012, 12:38:30 PM
 No credit needed here, just wanted to reinforce the stability of the mount.  By the way, I believe I ordered mine from Tweety's RV. :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: bbbeebop on August 02, 2012, 11:08:42 AM
Finally got around to the bedroom TV in our Vectra 40FD.  The old Sony 19 inch space eater is gone and more storage has been created by using a new cabinet door (stained to match interior) and shelf.  The new Samsung 24 inch is mounted to the front of the cabinet.  The result is over 6 cubic feet of more storage the DW loves it.  Pictures included:
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: jc2 on August 02, 2012, 01:26:12 PM
Did you use any backing for the tv mount or is it mounted directly to the cabinet door? 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on August 02, 2012, 04:09:59 PM
^^That was my question^^

Nice job!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: bbbeebop on August 02, 2012, 09:50:32 PM
directly to the cabinet door with flat washers under the head of the four screws.  Center of cabinet door is made of MDF for support.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: winnone on August 02, 2012, 11:02:16 PM
Nice job!  And look at all that usable space behind it.  I like!   8)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: jc2 on August 03, 2012, 08:18:53 AM
Thank you.  Nicely done. 8)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: afchap on November 30, 2012, 05:43:10 PM
I just completed my first flat screen conversion on my 2003 Ultimate Advantage 40e. The TV was located in the front center overhead cabinet. It was a 26" RCA. It was replaced with a 32" Emerson flat screen model no. LC320EM2 from Walmart.  I removed and totally discarded (stored actually) the original oak surround.  I used a Morryde TV mount, model TV40-001H. The new flat screen fit perfectly side to side. My cabinet floor was already sloped toward the viewing area, so I had to turn the TV mount mounting plate upside down to drop the TV far enough to make room for the OEM surround sound speaker mounted above the TV, and to set the right angle to match the angled cabinet sides. The biggest issue was the curved metal front on the bottom of the cabinet. After some consideration and trepidation, I unleashed the metal cutting tools and removed the curve, making the bottom front straight across. I originally intended to create top and bottom boards to match the original oak cabinetry, but after a couple of weeks dawdling the DW declared she liked the black look above and below (as seen with nothing filling the gaps ...she watches TV only after dark) that matches the black frame around the TV screen. So after a bad attempt with MDF trim, I went to 1/4" plywood covered with a black denim-print cloth.  A 4x2 piece of plywood from Lowes, and 1 yard of material from Hancock fabrics gave me plenty of extra stock for re-do's if necessary. As the speakers are on the bottom of the TV, I drilled large holes in the bottom trim board before attaching the cloth. I used "Goop" adhesive (awesome stuff!) and a regular household stapler to attach the cloth to the plywood, and to attach velcro to the plywood to hold it in place above and below the TV ...using angle brackets inside the cabinet for the other side of the velcro. I did have to get the "wort" audio cable from River Park Audio in Elkhart IN to make the original Winnebago surround sound work. I am pleased with the result, and am amazed that after setting up the TV for local digital channels we do not have to get up and change the switcbox to antenna to watch locals ...we just move the channel selector from "4" for Dish and it goes right to the local digital channels!

You can see pics and some description of the process I went through on my website.
Edit: link in sig line.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on November 30, 2012, 10:12:44 PM
Welcome to the world of the flat-panels Paul!!
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Post by: mickey53usa on December 03, 2012, 07:54:23 AM
Great Job Paul!
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Post by: SCVJeff on February 13, 2013, 08:32:09 PM
Well I "bought" a 24" LED that doesn't lose or distort it's picture for well over 45 degrees off access so we can actually watch TV laying down, AND it's 50% more efficient than the LCD steam iron it replaces   :o

 Cost me $00.17 after my company hotel points. Gave Best Buy a quarter and got change back :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on February 13, 2013, 08:38:09 PM
What model Jeff?  We replaced a very old (and expensive) 15" Sharp LCD in the aft cabin with a 19 or 20 inch Visio LED model last summer - it must weigh 1/3rd of the old Sharp.
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Post by: SCVJeff on February 14, 2013, 12:53:11 AM
It's a 24" LG, 1/2 as deep as the sharp too. The mounting panel is out in the radio room drying a nice matt black finish  :)

I don't remember LCD technology names, but I can lay this one back almost flat and still see it. It's akin to the larger hi-end plates or a CRT. I actually think I could have squeaked a 26" in the same hole. Now for routing HDMI up front  >:(
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SCVJeff on February 17, 2013, 11:31:06 PM
Here's the result of the bedroom install...

Check out the extreme viewing angle on the last pic

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Post by: John Canfield on February 18, 2013, 08:25:47 AM
Check out the extreme viewing angle on the last pic
Wow!  Nice!
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Post by: Dougie Brown on April 17, 2013, 10:24:48 PM
Finally!  I converted. :)  After much thought and studying of the various methods in this thread, I decided to go for the easy option.  I removed the mahoosive old CRT and found I had 33" width between the two overheads lockers on each side of the gaping hole.  This meant a 32" LCD TV, which I got from Wally World online for $200 on a special (Vizio - very nice).

I then bought a large frame-type full-motion bracket and fitted it to the TV.  This enabled me to judge where it would sit in the existing steel frame (I decided to leave it all in, disposing of the plastic surround).  I manufactured a mounting board out of 3/4" ply, bolted it in place with nylon locknuts, cut out holes for the wiring, fitted an HDMI WiFi receiver so I can watch online streaming (great for UK TV ;) ), and fixed the bracket to the board.

Turns out the TV slopes downward at exactly the right angle to watch, and is held in place by the little metal lip which kept the old CRT TV in place.  I padded out the lip with rubber to absorb virbration, and have driven around 500 miles without so much as a squeak.

Finally, I trimmed it off with some black lightweight board from Walmart ($2.98 for the sheet) and it all looks like it's been there all its life. :)

Dougie.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on April 18, 2013, 08:01:35 AM
Looks good Dougie!  Glad you joined us modern TV owners  :D.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: ru499 on May 12, 2013, 09:06:51 AM
I like Jeff's idea of just putting in a 32" flatscreen in the FRONT of the cutout.  I haven't done it yet because I am not in a rush to throw away our perfectly good Sony 26" tube TV, as we aren't fulltiming quite yet.

We put a 40" Vizio in front of the LR cabinet in our Horizon 40FD.  Works great.  The Vizio has a variable audio output which enabled us to use the factory surround sound.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on May 12, 2013, 12:10:49 PM
Pictures?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: afchap on May 12, 2013, 02:44:38 PM
Well, I have to re-do my conversion to LCD. The 32“ Emerson we bought just under 12 mo ago for m-i-l in hospice, then installed in the mh after her death, would not come on. They have a 12 mo parts warranty, but the closest "approved" service place is apx 100 miles away. I took it to a local shop. For $27 shop fee they said the power supply was bad ...and they could not get a new one as all their suppliers said it was an obsolete part.  I called Emerson. They said I voided the warranty when I went to a non-approved shop (which I already figured ...likely voided it earlier when I opened the case to solder in the "wort" cable for the surround sound system). They didn't have a power supply either, and estimated cost would be apx $90 if/when they have one to sell me. I need the TV this week as we depart on an extended journey on Friday, so decided it is not worth fixing. I got a Vizio 32", this one with analog audio out jacks so I don't need to add the "wort". It is slightly smaller all around, so I may have to make new trim pieces ...we'll see when we get the MH back from the shop tomorrow or Tues (another long story).  After some on-line research I did come to one conclusion ...NEVER BUY an EMERSON TV. They have a horrible track record.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on May 12, 2013, 09:53:01 PM
That's a shame Paul!  I bought a cheapie Westinghouse HD-TV about three years ago for the stick house and all of a sudden the HDMI input stopped working.  Westinghouse customer service said it was a problem with changing HDMI interface specifications, sure it was  ::).  (I seriously doubt that.) 

The component video still works (for 720P), so it's the bedroom TV now.  Vizio is an okay brand, we replaced an old flat panel in the coach bedroom with an LED Vizio, nice TV.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mickey53usa on May 13, 2013, 07:38:05 AM
A little off the topic - I guess I need to knock on wood. I have a 55" Vizio in the family room and a Dynex (Best Buy) in the office and bedroom in the S&B. All two+ years old, all working fine - In the Motor Home I have a Jensen in the Bedroom, a Magnavox in the entertainment center and a Samsung above the windshield. Again, knock on wood, the only problem was the Magnavox that I had to reset to factory setting a couple times. Worst luck I have had has been with Sony -
Michael
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Post by: GaDawgFan on July 28, 2013, 10:18:49 AM
I finally got around to replacing the rear TV along with the corner cabinet it was housed in (too many blows to the head at night when heading to the bathroom).  Once I removed the cabinet I was left with a rather large opening on the forward wall.  My idea was to mount the new TV on this wall.  After measuring it was apparent that the ideal size would be a 24" LED screen size which equates to about 21" width.  I purchased a piece of hardwood (stainable) plywood at Home Depot along with some trim to finish of the edges.  Had to cut the plywood at an odd angle along the top for it to fit against the curvature of the roof line.  The total width of the panel was 24".  Once I had the panel cut, the trim attached and everything stained, I had to then figure out how to mount to the wall.  The exterior wall board had about a 1 3/4" gap between it and the framing behind it.  I ripped two pieces of 2 x4 to fill these gapes on the left and right sides of these gap to give me a solid base to mount the new panel on.  Once that was in place I was able to rewire the cable outlet and the power outlet through the boxes in the new panel.  I then mounted the TV bracket to the panel and attached all to the wall with screws on both sides.  From there it was just a matter of attaching the TV to the wall bracket and plugging everything in.

One note.  I discovered upon removal that the old TV was actually a 12 volt set, plugged into a cigarette type adapter.  It just so happens that there was a 120 ac receptacle inside of the wall next to it that I was able to use.  I simply turned off and taped down the 12 volt switch that was originally located under the old TV and wire tied it to the rest of the wire cluster in the wall and tucked it away.  Thanks to Winnibego for for haveing that unused AC access in the wall!

Also, got a great deal on a Samsung 24" 1080P LED at Costco.  Regular $199 on sale for $169

Front TV is next!
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Post by: winnone on July 28, 2013, 12:53:28 PM
Nice job and saves wear and tear on your head!  Love these lightweight, thin TV's! 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 28, 2013, 04:04:18 PM
Good looking installation!  A couple of years ago we replaced the old 15" flat panel Sharp in the bedroom with a 22" LED model - it was about 1/3 the weight of the old one.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Steve-n-Sue on July 31, 2013, 11:15:11 AM
I have been wanting to get rid of the old Sony and it's associated squeaks since we got our 2004 Adventurer. Finally pulled the trigger on an Upstar 32" Class LED HDTV 720P from Tigerdirect for $199 plus shipping. It only measures 29.1" wide. 
     After getting the old beast out, and tidying up all of the wiring with tie wraps, I opened the back of the old TV and removed the speakers, so I could duplicate the wiring for the surround sound hook-up. I made a new base mount out of 2" x 3 " aluminum angle, and positioned it so the new TV would be about 1/8" above the bottom of the metal frame that held the old TV. (see pics)
      I bolted the new bracket to the back of the TV, and then to the base of the frame with two 3/8" bolts.  I opened up the back of the new TV and soldered the surround sound wires and resistor bridges to the new speakers, making sure to match the color code from the old speakers.
      I had to "flare" the edges of the frame about 1/4" to get clearance for the new TV.  After getting the new TV mounted and wired, I replaced the original wood frame for the front.  It fit perfectly! However, the sensor on the TV to recieve the signal from the remote control was buried behind the wood!
      I, know, Measure twice, cut once!
 I made two 1/4" spacers to raise the bracket up from the bottom of the frame.
 NOW it works!
I made a trim plate out of 3/16" lexan, painted the back black, and mounted it to the back of the wood frame, and the top edge of the TV. See pics. I used two sided tape to secure the sides of the TV to the back side of the wood frame sides.
      I have a couple of short trips scheduled within the next month, so will evaluate whether or not I need to design an upper mount.
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Post by: John Canfield on July 31, 2013, 04:18:41 PM
....However, the sensor on the TV to recieve the signal from the remote control was buried behind the wood!
No worries - buy this (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001BLTDZA/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) inexpensive IR repeater and lower the TV back to its original position.   I use this product to operate my Sony amp/DVD player and sat receiver that live in a cabinet on the coach.

Good job - thanks for the pictures!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: blueridgegb on August 06, 2013, 08:02:14 PM
As per your guidance

1999 Winnebago Chieftain 34Y the brochure does not show layout of TV. It's located over dinette next to Fridge don't like it but can live with it (if both sides of dinette used TV directly overhead of one side cant see TV)
 
The TV installed was a 19 inch G.E. model  19GT317TX1

Replacement is an Emerson 26 LCD model LC260 EM 2A

built a box within the original box to attached the flat screen mount (three way arms)  the original box was sloped so had to correct for that, plus didn't feel there was a secure mounting point.  Built a box to provide a mounting point was able to secure it to the bottom of original box floor where the original TV was mounted.  Given the weight of the GE (heavier) than LCD no issues with security,  while hard to see my plywood box will remove it this winter and pretty it up. 

Had issues with VCR, and Selector Box so replaced VCR with blue ray that is wifi capable but it did not have a coaxial cable output so ran HDMI cable directly to TV.

Still have some issues to resolve the first is the GE had a 1.5mm speaker jack for audio output.  Emerson does not, got the necessary coupling, followed instructions but no sound to RV speakers. I know RV speakers worked double checked switches both on dash and one that goes TV to Radio in fact plugged in iphone worked great.  Suspect TV, followed their instructions but no joy.  Any Emerson experts give me a shout

The TV ant works great have amp, looked at wing mostly likely pick one up

Now the Sat system when bought RV did not have receiver. The sat ant is an older system everything looks  to be in good shape so have no desire to upgrade.  I have a Winegard model RD40DE ant.  I do have sat for the house it's direct TV.  Given that the sat ant has an older LNBF, I was told that I would have to use an older direct receiver model D11-100 which I have, so before I called a tech who is god knows where is my info correct.

I don't use the RV very often aging parent house bound but I am anal in that when I do use it I would like everything working flip a switch light comes on  press a button appliance works so I would like the video/audio to be correct.

Do not plan to put rear TV in.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on August 07, 2013, 09:22:41 AM
Pictures?
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Post by: lwasouth on August 14, 2013, 07:12:05 PM


The following is a PDF file I made up to describe the process


Hope the photos and dialog help.  If you get stuck and need a question answered, you can phone me and I will try to help
352 527 7059
The attached is the install on the 2005 Adventurer.  The only difference on the Itasca Horizon was that the new Samsung LED LCD TV is only 1 inch thick and makes a tighter install.  Around the opening between the TV and the wood cabinet, (Not Showing) Is 1/2 inch wide by 1/4 inch thick weatherstrip soft foam to seal the installation and eliminate any vibration


Double click to open



This is the finished job on the 05 Itasca Horizon.  The procedures would be almost the same on any coach with the TV
 mounted in the overhead cabinets.  The overall goal was to mount it so that there is no vibration.

If you have a Winnebago product, or possibly some others  " When you remove your existing TV, you will see 2 wires coming out of the back of the case with RCA plugs on the end. (1 ea red and white)  When the TV is out lay it on its face and remove the case (Not difficult) You will see the wires to each speaker. Cut them off and pull them through the case. You will have to solder these wires in side the case of your new TV on each speaker. NOTE If your new TV has audio out plugs on the back, you can merely plug into these. It is these 2 wires that Winnebago uses to pick-up the additional speakers."  This is the procedure that allows your radio/tv switch to work your auxiliary speakers.  At the other end of the wires that were connected to the back of your TV(red and white RCA jacks) is an amplifier.

Regards
Lloyd Waters   To receive entire file and PDF send me your email and I will forward[/color]
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on August 15, 2013, 07:08:02 AM
..
If you have a Winnebago product, or possibly some others  " When you remove your existing TV, you will see 2 wires coming out of the back of the case with RCA plugs on the end. (1 ea red and white)  When the TV is out lay it on its face and remove the case (Not difficult) You will see the wires to each speaker. Cut them off and pull them through the case. You will have to solder these wires in side the case of your new TV on each speaker. ..
It's not quite that simple.  You need to solder a couple of resistors (http://janeandjohn.org/pages/soundmod.html) to the speaker leads in the TV to provide a low level line out feature if the replacement TV does not have variable audio out.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: marbilupton on August 29, 2013, 06:53:42 PM
I have my old CRT ready to slide out as soon as I get an able bodied person to lend me their help. I am puzzled that I haven't found a power cord to the TV yet? Is it possible that it is a 12 volt unit?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Scott-0168 on August 29, 2013, 07:03:03 PM
I have my old CRT ready to slide out as soon as I get an able bodied person to lend me their help. I am puzzled that I haven't found a power cord to the TV yet? Is it possible that it is a 12 volt unit?

Still must have a power cord!

Scott  :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: marbilupton on August 29, 2013, 09:39:59 PM
I have two 110 volt electrical outlets in the cabinets next to the TV. None of the cords trace back to the TV.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on August 30, 2013, 07:27:10 AM
I have my old CRT ready to slide out as soon as I get an able bodied person to lend me their help. I am puzzled that I haven't found a power cord to the TV yet? Is it possible that it is a 12 volt unit?
You don't say what year and model you have, but it is extremely unlikely your TV is 12V powered. 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: marbilupton on August 31, 2013, 10:05:31 AM
I have help coming today and we will pull out the behemoth and solve the mystery once and for all!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on August 31, 2013, 04:43:08 PM
We like project pictures around here, don't let us down!  ;)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: marbilupton on September 01, 2013, 02:57:23 PM
The old CRT is out!  The power cord was on the bottom of the tv where I could not see it.  It was plugged into an unseen outlet behind the cabinet to the right behind the control box.
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Post by: John Canfield on September 01, 2013, 04:31:36 PM
Congratulations!
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Post by: SCVJeff on September 05, 2013, 12:59:33 AM
My, that looks familiar...
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: marbilupton on September 06, 2013, 10:34:38 PM
I have tried to build a mock up box like I want to install in the metal Winny TV frame. It is giving me a lot of grief because of the mitered angles it requires. I am not a finish carpenter, so I have made numerous trial cuts to get the angles and they are fairly close, though not perfect. I would appreciate any suggestions or comments before I proceed any further. I have ordered a swivel mount which I will install on a wall inside the box, so it will be a few days before I receive it.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on September 07, 2013, 06:28:20 AM
I'm not sure what your picture is showing, also you should reduce the size of it to about 800x600 pixels.

Do you have a miter saw?  Cutting odd angles is difficult for sure.  When faced with an oddball situation like that I'll make a cardboard template and then cut wood to fit.  Sometimes it takes a lot of trial and error to get it right.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: marbilupton on September 07, 2013, 06:56:05 AM
Oops!  Sorry about the photo. I tried to resize it. Will try again.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: schoolsout2 on October 15, 2013, 07:24:31 PM
I have tried to build a mock up box like I want to install in the metal Winny TV frame. It is giving me a lot of grief because of the mitered angles it requires. I am not a finish carpenter, so I have made numerous trial cuts to get the angles and they are fairly close, though not perfect. I would appreciate any suggestions or comments before I proceed any further. I have ordered a swivel mount which I will install on a wall inside the box, so it will be a few days before I receive it.
   The angle is 30 degrees.

I am in the process of changing out our 27 inch Sony TV in the front of our 06 Adventurer 35A.  I am putting in a 32" LED and a SONY Surround sound/dvd.   I plan to use the frame and put an articulated arm in it.  The first problem was finding the rear mounting bolt to get the TV out.  I did not plan to take the bottom trim plastic off.  I have a good source of lumber and have some maple that will match the interior trim.

 I am building in a storage shelf and keeping the original frame.  John did you figure out a lock yet?  I have a design I will use and will post pics when I get it done, I will be gone for 2 weeks so it will need to wait. 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on October 16, 2013, 08:25:52 AM
..John did you figure out a lock yet? ..
Yes, finally!  I used some of the cherry I had to rip off the opening to make a keeper.  There is a "T" nut inserted from the backside the keeper screws into.  The pictures show the details.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: schoolsout2 on October 16, 2013, 06:28:02 PM
Thanks John, very similar to what I planned to do.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: schoolsout2 on October 28, 2013, 03:37:56 PM
Well I finished the TV conversion for the front mounted CRT.  Now we are about 80 pounds lighter and I can do away with the Digital converter box.  While we were at it we put in the sterio so we can have the surround sound again.  I used some of the space for a shelf below to keep the remotes and a few other items, it is lage enough for the campground books for easy access on the road.  DW wanted one we could turn towards the couch and i wanted easy access to the wiring so we can add and remove some devices.

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on October 28, 2013, 05:11:47 PM
Good job!  Thanks for the pictures.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: alaskalife on January 16, 2014, 11:47:54 PM
Anyone used one of these?

JENSEN 24" 12 Volt LED LCD TV

http://www.jensenrvdirect.com/jensen-24-led-dc-tv.html#review-list
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 17, 2014, 07:52:58 AM
$500?? Wow.  I like the 12V ability but not for that price.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: alaskalife on January 17, 2014, 03:24:45 PM
$500?? Wow.  I like the 12V ability but not for that price.

Well, found it cheaper at camping world (it's "on sale")...and saved $10 more with coupon code I found online... "3705"  Been a while since I bought anything from camping world...looks like they finally got competitive; amazon must have given them a run for their money.  ;)

Going to try it out...just measured the main TV upfront and it looks like it will fit.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: alaskalife on January 18, 2014, 11:47:06 PM
Well got the old tubes out today...pretty much ready to go for when the new 12 volt HDTV shows up... (not putting a TV back in the bedroom though)

I learned today (only recently bought the Winnebago) that I had a DC to AC inverter for the tube TV and VCR/DVD player.  But I prefer to have the 12 volt TV...more efficient and less drain on batteries.   

Got to get a bracket fabricated and go buy some paneling or something and vinyl to match to fill in the bottom as I am not putting the old plastic shrouds back in. 

Here is the TV:  http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/jensen-led-12-volt-hdtv-24-inch/68953
They have smaller and larger ones. 

Have this in-dash stereo/DVD player/Camera Monitor/Multimedia unit on the way so I have 12 volt multimedia ability and to replace that old sony black and white camera monitor.  (replacing camera too)  It has video out for the TV and auxiliary audio in from the TV. 
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_68711_Jensen-VM9216BT-FREE-KIT-AND-HARNESS.html
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 19, 2014, 07:49:56 AM
Looking good!  Keep the pictures coming.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: alaskalife on January 25, 2014, 09:57:20 PM
Got the TV (looks nice)...that 24" 12 Volt Jensen fits perfect in the hole (height and width is perfect). It's going to look seamless when done.  I have some plywood and vinyl to fit in the bottom where the old TV hung down.   

After kicking around a few ideas for a mount I ended up using angle aluminum (u can get it from Lowes/Home Depot). 

I cut it and doubled it against each other.  Originally thought about building a square box with the aluminum but figured this might be just as good.... 

Here is a couple pics showing where I am now. 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 26, 2014, 07:45:02 AM
Looks great so far - keep the pix coming!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: alaskalife on January 27, 2014, 10:49:44 PM
More progress...

TV mounted - quality of the 12 volt TV is really good; really happy with it!

New multimedia center installed (AM/FM radio, DVD, back up monitor, MP3 player, etc). 

TV audio routed to radio/multimedia center.  Video out from radio/multimedia center to TV.  HDMI cable ran from TV to center console for auxiliary connections like tablet, laptop, etc. 

Still have to put in the new section under the TV...saving it for last for when I am sure all wiring is done.

Next up...install and run new back-up camera and cable. 

 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 28, 2014, 07:27:04 AM
Thumbs up!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: alaskalife on March 10, 2014, 06:20:58 PM
Finished product...  (finished a while ago, just got around to uploading)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Tin man on March 10, 2014, 07:01:11 PM
John
I put the info on the blog a few days ago, now I will post all the pictures  tonight on your post.

I think it came out nice, and secure. 

While the bride watches the bachelor tonight I'll repost the job.

Jim.

Just finished the last two MCD shades in the MH. Yesterday. Been busy.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Tin man on March 10, 2014, 08:09:47 PM
I started out buying a Samsung 32in TV, 29.1 in wide. The opening in cabinet is 28 in wide. 1/2 in each side. the amount the taper is on the rear of the Samsung. It fit nice and snug in the opening, the TV overlaps the frame by 1/2 in each side.

The most important piece of equipment is the SANUS SAN25BB mounting bracket. Purchased it at Target. $70.00 I think. the TV on sale at COSTCO $229.00 with the $30.00 rebate.

The reason I say the SAN25BB is important is because there are release straps on the bracket so you an release the tv from the bracket. no need to get your hand behind the tv.

After you drop down the plastic shroud, the old tv comes out pretty easy after loosing up the hold down bolts.  There was a problem with the cross member, that goes across the top of the old tv.  I borrowed a sawsall to cut it in half.   Could not remove it otherwise. A hacksaw will also work, but love the power tools. 

Bought a 1x2 to make the side bracket <screwed it into the side of the metal cabinet with sell drilling metal screws, and mounted a 1x6 between the 1x2's   

The plate was screwed on the 1x6, and measured so the tv would be as low as possible on the frame.

I think the pictures will show that.  the distance between the mounting plate and the rear of the tv is important..  this was done on the rear bed with the frame removed and with the tv sitting on the frame.  (no pictures)  measured the distance with the tv on the frame. This is what the finished product will look like.

The tv is pretty solid in the bracket, but the tiny movement is taken care of by two wire ties attached to the back frame and the clip that is screwed onto the frame. When you pull the wire tie taught, it is tight!!!! No movement.

If you have to get behind the tv, all you have to do is cut the wire ties, and pull down the straps, and lift the tv off the bracket.

The finished trim was a piece of wood on the top, but could not match the grain or color. I used a piece of flooring (wood)  and put foam on the wood and bought fabric to match the fabric in the MH and as you see the finished product. Held in place by Velcro. 

The bottom of the frame is nothing but black pipe insulation.. There is a small gap, and it stops the light from the back of the cabinet opening from showing through.

I attached a HDMI to the back of the tv for future use. My Direct TV is not HD, and a interesting note, my memorex DVD had a RGB and S video cable.  The Memorex DVD is a programmable DVD, and had to change the type of video cable to RGB from S Video. there was no color otherwise. Samsung people told me what to do. go figure.

Took me two days to remove the old tv and put in the new tv.  I had help of course, and now I know how to fix the rear tv with the gap on top.  plywood and make a cushion.  with the fabric that matches the coach. 

1. Frame removed
2. Frame removed
3. the tools
4. metal frame
5. Frame
6. the beast removed
7. wires wires  everywhere
8. the frame 1x2 and the 1x6 with bracket mounted.
9.the other side
10. wire tie clip screwed onto the frame
11. pipe insulation
12.bottom of cabinet.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Tin man on March 10, 2014, 08:16:14 PM
these are the last two or three pictures.

1.top of frame with fabric
2.another shot of wire tie clip
3. finished product
4. finished product
5. side view tight in cabinet.

Hope this is not too large of a file John.

Jim
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on March 11, 2014, 08:09:53 AM
Nice!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Tin man on March 11, 2014, 09:34:40 AM
For future ref. if the cabinet (such as our's ) is already angled for the tv, all you have to do is build the new frame inside the metal cabinet. It will follow the original angle.

Just make sure the side 1x2 or what ever you use, conforms to the angle. (the bottom of the wood is touching the bottom of the cabinet).  This will give you the original angle.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Scott-0168 on March 11, 2014, 11:32:57 AM

Has anyone came across a TV mounting bracket that will manually move the TV vertically (up and Down)? Have a special project going on.

Scott  :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on March 11, 2014, 12:31:41 PM
Has anyone came across a TV mounting bracket that will manually move the TV vertically (up and Down)? Have a special project going on.
There are motorized lifts that will raise a TV from a cabinet but not sure I've ever seen a manual version.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: VA6LM on March 25, 2014, 11:28:21 AM
Hi all. I am going to replace the front overhead and bedroom tvs and add a tv outside in my 2007 Winnebago Journey. I am going to use 12 volt Jensen Tvs. Need to conserve batteries when boondocking. The front tv should be ok for digital connections, sat, cable, off air. What is the best and easiest way to get the appropriate signals to the 2 other tvs, keeping in mind the horror of having to pull new wire!!! Has anyone used an HDMI cat 5e 4x4 distribution box. Any recommendations on suppliers and ways to wire??
Thanks Les
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: alaskalife on March 25, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
You can use existing coax to feed the other TV's the signal from sat and/or antenna.  For DVD, Blu-Ray, etc. the easiest thing will be to just have separate players for each TV. 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on March 25, 2014, 12:39:58 PM
..What is the best and easiest way to get the appropriate signals to the 2 other tvs, keeping in mind the horror of having to pull new wire!!! Has anyone used an HDMI cat 5e 4x4 distribution box. Any recommendations on suppliers and ways to wire??
Thanks Les

Hi and welcome Les.  Here's a thread (http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=69879.0) that might be of some value.  I don't think there is any easy way to get coax or Cat5 from one end to the other.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: TurtleKent on April 19, 2014, 10:25:36 PM
I replaced my TV a little differently.  I decided to locate the HDTV in the top cabinet opening, so I relocated the top doors down to the middle cabinet.  We found we liked the viewing angle much better having to look up slightly.  In the upper cabinet I made a plywood door, attached at the top with a piano hinge, mounted the HDTV to the face of the plywood, used gas struts to hold the TV upright so I could access all the new storage space behind.  Mounting HDTV on the face of the cabinet allowed me to install a larger TV(37") than would fit within the cabinet opening.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on April 20, 2014, 07:19:52 AM
Very creative idea Kent!  I'm going to split off your post and move it to the TV thread sticky.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SCVJeff on April 22, 2014, 11:23:16 PM
Hi and welcome Les.  Here's a thread (http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=69879.0) that might be of some value.  I don't think there is any easy way to get coax or Cat5 from one end to the other.
I wonder if he got lost in the bay?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on April 23, 2014, 07:23:26 AM
He hasn't been on the board since the end of March.  ???
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mweber (KC9NPT) on July 22, 2014, 07:40:42 AM
Just went thru this whole thread, very interesting. We have a 2000 Suncruiser 35U and would like to replace the old monster GE. However, I would like to be able to drop TV when watching so that we are not looking up. Is there any reason that a swivel mount cannot be rotated 90 degrees so it goes up and down as opposed to side to side/ in and out?
When traveling, it would be up in position of existing TV, when watching down closer to to of dash.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 22, 2014, 08:27:57 AM
Your TV is an over the dash version?  The new LED flat panels are very lightweight but you might have to custom engineer a mount.  If you could post some pictures of the area, maybe we can visualize your situation.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Alfa38User on July 22, 2014, 08:41:24 AM
Quote
Is there any reason that a swivel mount cannot be rotated 90 degrees so it goes up and down as opposed to side to side/ in and out?

Yes!! The mount, in most cases, cannot hold the weight in that position. I tried this exact scenario in my trailer and the swivels simply could not hack it with the replacement 26" TV. It is not that heavy but...... I could not tighten the swivel joints enough to do any good and the TV  self-pivoted down towards the floor too much as well.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mweber (KC9NPT) on July 22, 2014, 08:52:58 AM
Yes!! The mount, in most cases, cannot hold the weight in that position. I tried this exact scenario in my trailer and the swivels simply could not hack it with the replacement 26" TV. It is not that heavy but...... I could not tighten the swivel joints enough to do any good and the TV  self-pivoted down towards the floor too much as well.


Sorry, meant to respond to John's request for pix.


Here's a picture

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 22, 2014, 09:14:29 AM
Stu's right - those friction mounts wouldn't (and aren't) designed to hold a TV in that orientation.  There are flip-down mounts available - this one (http://www.americanrvcompany.com/MAX-Q-TVC-3200-LCD-TV-Bracket-Ceiling-Mount-Flat-Panel-Camper-Trailer-RV) is only rated for up to a 23" TV though.

I do think it's very possible to custom fabricate a mount that would handle a much larger screen.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mweber (KC9NPT) on July 22, 2014, 12:02:26 PM
Thanks, but a flip down mount doesn't get it lower for viewing.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: deerwinnie on July 25, 2014, 09:14:27 AM
Been following this area, finally got tv switched out in our 2003 Journey DL, took out tv + metal framework, (pain in the #!@)  then designed new framework to hold 32" Jensen 12v tv
Hope pics post.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 25, 2014, 09:26:36 AM
Good show Alan!  Can you post some larger pictures, say 800 pixels wide?  It's really difficult to see your handiwork from the small pictures.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: deerwinnie on July 25, 2014, 10:10:37 AM
I'll see if I can figure out how to post from my tablet, these pics I had too send to my email, then save to computer, that's why they were resized.
I'm technology chalenged, so bear with me....LOL
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: gkaster on July 26, 2014, 09:10:55 PM
I did a conversion to LED from CRT in a 2006 Winn Adventurer 35A with maple woodwork/trim. Both front and bedroom tvs were replaced. Major issue was getting the front crt out. A little metal cutting had to be done to get it out. Once both were removed. I installed shelving in the openings adding storage area. This especially added needed storage in the bedroom area for linens and towels. I used 1/2 inch birch plywood and created two covers for the spaces from where the crts came out. These were fastened to existing woodwork with piano hinges, so the TV's could be lifted to give access to the new storage areas. I can send anyone interested some pictures.  If someone wants to discuss in greater detail they can contact me via email   ggkaster@gmail.com. Gary in Ohio

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 27, 2014, 08:42:39 AM
Gary - please post your pictures here.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: gkaster on July 27, 2014, 06:41:06 PM
I tried to attach them but got an error that the files were too large. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: gkaster on July 27, 2014, 06:58:36 PM
I went back and resized my original photos. I have attached 4 that illustrate my points.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: jwleslie on July 27, 2014, 10:36:17 PM
This is a reply to mweber from earlier this month who is looking for TV mount that can be used to move the TV to a lower position.  I had the same issue when I changed the old CRT TV to a new 32 inch flat panel in my 2002 Itasca Suncruiser.  I found the following mount available from Amazon:

OmniMount PLAY20 Interactive Panel Mount (http://www.amazon.com/OmniMount-PLAY20-Interactive-19-Inch-32-Inch/dp/B0082D56N8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406551331&sr=8-1&keywords=OmniMount+PLAY20+Interactive+Panel+Mount)

It works great.  Allows me to lower the TV By a foot or more for viewing and then is easy to move back for stowing.

If interested I could post a picture or 2 of the finished work, but it would be a few days.



Edit by staff: added link to product

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mweber (KC9NPT) on July 28, 2014, 06:38:12 AM
Thanks, will take a look at it today.
Would appreciate pictures when you can.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 28, 2014, 07:44:32 AM
Welcome jwleslie!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: jwleslie on August 01, 2014, 10:32:43 PM
Here are pictures of the install of a 32 inch flat panel TV in the front of my 2002 Suncruiser 35U.  I used the Omni Mount Play20. 

I should have taken pictures during the process, but did not. 

Basically I removed the existing 25 or 26 inch GE TV and all of the Winnebago supplied metal supports and the fiberglass surround.  I built a wood support structure including the post show in the pictures.  The post is attached at the bottom and to the existing metal frame at the top.  The post needed to be offset from the center for the mount so that the TV would swing back to the center when stowed.  This required taking careful measurements.  The wood structure is probably beefier than it needs to be, but I did not want to take any chances considering that it needs to tolerate driving conditions.  I then trimmed it with oak plywood and moldings so that it fits with existing oak cabinets.  Not a perfect match on the finish but pretty good.  I also used some foam weather stripping to cushion the TV.  The Omni Mount allows us to lower the TV as well as swivel it for viewing.

I picked a 32 inch TV because it fit perfectly between the existing cabinets.  Besides the TV, I spent about $100 on the project.  This included the mount and oak trim.  I used poplar for the structure because I had it available.  And I had all the necessary tools.

Before I started on the project, I reviewed in depth the information on this forum and found it very helpful.  I realized that each of these TV conversion projects is custom.  I gave this a lot of thought and a little bit of try and error.  I actually purchased a more conventional mount  and tried to turn it 90 degrees.  Never installed it because I realized it would not work.  Was able to return it.  I then found the Omni Mount and it works very well.

I hope this is helpful.

Thanks for the welcome!  I find this forum to be very educational.  We have had our Suncruiser for only a few months and the information here has proved valuable.

jwleslie


flat Panel

Edit by staff: removed excess blank lines
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on August 02, 2014, 06:57:12 AM
Excellent!  That's a novel idea for an over the dash TV.  Poplar is an excellent secondary wood, I always keep quite a bit on hand for woodworking projects.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mweber (KC9NPT) on August 02, 2014, 07:40:05 AM
Thanks for the pictures. I was looking at using a 32" Insignia from Best Buy. Are you saying the mount has to swing to side in order to be raised?

Merrill
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Alfa38User on August 02, 2014, 07:56:25 AM
Probably only because that is where he chose to mount the post. If it was mounted in the centre of the opening it would likely drop straight down unless the arm was too long to permit this.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: jwleslie on August 02, 2014, 10:24:35 AM
The mount does not have to swing side to side in order to be raised or lowered.  It will move up or down in line with the mounting post and somewhat to either side of the post.  In order to put the TV into the stowed position between the existing cabinets, I needed to locate the post away from the center line of the opening.  I could have gone either right or left - chose to go right.

Here is a link to the Omni Mount website where you can download some additional information about the Play 20.

http://www.omnimount.com/products/tv_wall_mounts/interactive/play20/

There may be other products available that work similar or even better.  But this works great for us and we are pleased. 

We also thought about placing the TV in other locations in the motorhome.  We don't particular like it to be in the front between the cabinets.  But other locations would have required a lot more effort and probably substantially more cost.  With the solution we have we can at least lower it into a more suitable viewing angle.  We have a significantly improved picture compared to the old TV and eliminated a fair amount of weight as well.

If you have any other questions, please ask.

jwleslie
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mweber (KC9NPT) on August 02, 2014, 11:17:26 AM
I was planning on having it drop straight down, but after seeing your pictures, DW decided that your way would be better for viewing from slide.

Another question, did you have plastic surrounding original TV? I can only locate 4 screws to remove the front piece, is that all there is, do you remember?\\Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: jwleslie on August 02, 2014, 02:04:14 PM
Yes, there was beige colored plastic (I think actually fiberglass) surrounding the TV.  I don't remember how many screws needed to be removed.  I kind of recall that this was 2 pieces - one at the front and one covering the bottom.  There may be some descriptions in this forum about how to remove this.  I can tell you the old TV in mine was very heavy 60 - 70 lbs, so it would be good to have help since it is a tight space and somewhat awkward.  And the TV was secured with a fairly large metal bracket and good size bolts.  Not terribly difficult to remove the bracket but it is a tight space. 

I'd be happy to answer any other questions, and am interested in how you proceed.

jwleslie

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mweber (KC9NPT) on August 02, 2014, 02:39:22 PM
Did you reinstall the courtesy light that is under the TV, works when you opened the driver door?

Mine is definitely 2 pieces, part covering bottom has several screws holding it in place.

Will take me a while to do this, especially wood working part. Not very good at that and don't have all the proper tools
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: jwleslie on August 02, 2014, 04:41:08 PM
Yes I did reinstall the courtesy light.  If you look closely at the picture named "Showing Post Offset from center.jpg" you will notice the white and yellow wires and the blue wire nuts.  The light is mounted underneath.  I don't anticipate using the light often, but it's there if needed.  Actually one of the easier things I did.  We don't expect to use the space for storage, so the wires are not really in the way. 

My DW does not like seeing the bones behind the TV, so she put in a little black "curtain" using a small spring rod.  Simple and effective.  You can see that in the picture named "TV lowered for viewing.jpg".

In researching how to do my project I saw write ups of how people put in new TVs but kept the plastic or fiberglass surrounds.  That may not require woodworking or as much.  I wanted to make it look as if it came from the factory.  Fortunately I had the time and enough of the skills to satisfy myself and my DW. 

It might be easier for you if you could contact me directly.  I'm not sure how to do that.  I'm a little reluctant to provide contact info on a public forum.

jwleslie
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mweber (KC9NPT) on August 02, 2014, 05:01:39 PM
Will send you a PM on here with my email address, just check for messages at My Messages at top of page.

Merrill
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Ned on August 02, 2014, 07:15:30 PM
Will send you a PM on here with my email address, just check for messages at My Messages at top of page.

If you put your email address in your profile, people can email you directly but the address won't be exposed to anyone other than the recipient.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mweber (KC9NPT) on August 03, 2014, 10:11:44 AM
Thanks, didn't realize that.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Mike Leslie on August 12, 2014, 09:01:21 AM
Piano hinge

Both gkaster and Turtlekent said they used a piano hinge on the upward opening cabinet door.  We like the idea of mounting the flat TV on this door and using the piano hinge.   Having never used piano hinges we have been doing internet research.

We would like the door to have about an inch overhang all around so the door would latch tightly against the frame.  After watching a bunch of Youtube videos, they all talk about a 'swinging' type door with piano hinge.

We need some direction.   How did you install your piano hinge so the door closed firm?  What gauge piano hinge would be strong (extra strong) enough?  Would another type of hinge be a stronger, better choice?

Obviously we are not cabinet makers but can do this.  We have boxed in the 'new' storage space, insulated behind all the cab0ver space.  I am thinking of stapling carpet on the bottom up and around about a quarter of the way up.  I am thinking it would be sound deadening and cover up where the  floor/sides meet . What do you think?

Any suggestions, thoughts or ramblings on this topic are appreciated.
Mike Leslie
2003 Winnebago Minnie 29C
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Post by: FLman2 on October 21, 2014, 09:52:29 AM
Just bought a 2008 Itasca Latitue, the tv in the bedroom is a flat screen analog.  We would like to replace it with a digital, and was wondering if anyone has done this and what all is involved.
I'm handicaps thanks to a stroke a couple of years ago and would welcome all the help or suggestions that will help us do the change out.
The current unit has wood pieces on each side of it, and looks like they would have to be removed to get to the mounting brackets, but hate to remove them without knowing for sure.

Thanks!

Bob
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on October 21, 2014, 05:12:07 PM
Bob - please tell us what city/state you are located in.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: FLman2 on October 21, 2014, 08:40:00 PM
Live in Port Richey, FL.

Bob
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on October 22, 2014, 07:46:07 AM
Call and talk to Classic Coach Works (http://www.classiccoachworks.com/) in Lakeland.  There are lots of places on the west coast that will do interior remodeling, cabinetry, audio/visual upgrades, etc.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: FLman2 on October 22, 2014, 02:39:19 PM
John,

Thanks for the information.  I called them and they confirmed what I thought about the wood pieces on both sides of the current analog set.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Bigtollehouse on January 10, 2015, 06:49:32 PM
We have a 2005 Minnie 26H and are going to replace the original CRT with a 24" Sanyo from Walmart.  My plan is to mount a 12X21" piece of oak over the opening after we take everything out.  Then mount the articulating arm to the new piece of oak.  We will still have room to put a blue ray player on the bottom of the shelf and maybe a Slingbox M1 to watch our home TV while on the road.  I wonder if the original antennae (satellite and bat wing will have to be changed also.  Will post photos after we get it done.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 11, 2015, 07:27:00 AM
If you want high definition satellite, then you will most likely need to upgrade your equipment.  For high def over-the-air TV, Wineguard sells an add-on assembly which improves the antenna performance of the venerable bat-wing antenna or you can replace the large bat-wing with a much smaller antenna designed for the new TV frequencies.  You remove the bat-wing from the arms and mount the new one, very simple and inexpensive.
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Post by: Bigtollehouse on January 11, 2015, 09:16:50 PM
Thank you.  I'll post when I get it done.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mweber (KC9NPT) on April 06, 2015, 01:05:24 PM
Only took me since last August to take out the old GE anchor and put in an Insignia 32" that can be lowered to almost eye level when sitting in coach. Also swivels to either side if we want. Still have to decide what to do with space behind the tv. Used an OmniMount 25X mount.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: wb6kwt on April 06, 2015, 02:03:33 PM
How do you keep the TV from moving around when you are traveling down the road?

Bob
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: mweber (KC9NPT) on April 06, 2015, 02:49:59 PM
The mount is designed for 7 - 25 lb tv. This one is 9 lb so the tension even at its lowest is enough to hold it in any position. Plus, if you look closely at the enlargement below, you can see part of the bracket for the tv stand bottom center below the tv frame. It's hollow and I just screwed an L bracket  to the steel frame under the tv and lower the bracket over the .The mount tension keeps everything in place and the bracket is just a safety to prevent tv from extending away from cabinetry.
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Post by: John Canfield on April 06, 2015, 08:18:54 PM
Good job!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SCVJeff on July 26, 2015, 12:40:24 PM
I assume everyone following this thread got the same email notice that it was updated? The last posting 8 see is Johns in April
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Post by: SCVJeff on July 26, 2015, 06:59:05 PM
Its like Steve Martin waiting for the new phonebook
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Dougie Brown on July 26, 2015, 07:24:10 PM
Its like Steve Martin waiting for the new phonebook

;D ;D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 27, 2015, 07:09:50 AM
We had a post in this thread that belonged somewhere else, then an inappropriate post I had to move out of sight.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: SCVJeff on July 27, 2015, 07:47:02 PM
Really... In a thread about a bunch of nerds mounting TV's ? That must have been pretty creative :)
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Post by: John Canfield on July 27, 2015, 08:16:56 PM
I know.  Weird.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: psalm10720 on December 17, 2015, 07:47:57 AM
I bought a NAXA LCD with built in DVD player for around 200.00. The greatest selling point for me was the low power draw on DC. The brightness of the screen is amazing. The one draw back is low speaker quality. When parked I use a simple A/C external PC Speaker combo that includes a subwoofer for great sound. I also have used the dash CD head unit with input jack with good results. The model of NAXA TV DVD Combo is NTD 2252

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007LNTH6W?keywords=ntd2252&qid=1450360054&ref_=sr_1_3&sr=8-3

Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on December 18, 2015, 05:43:11 AM
Good choice!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: sgkane on January 31, 2016, 05:13:42 PM
Not many posts of the rear TV so i figured I would post mine. The Horizon has a pull out cabinet for the TV. Once removed we just added the TV and built a shelf to hold a blue ray player. 
Just checked the post and noticed the pictures are rotated??? Not sure why  :-\
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 31, 2016, 07:44:09 PM
The rotated pix are probably due to your PC monkeying with them (or that's the way you took the pix.)  Good replacement, I like it.  I replaced our rear glass monster probably in 2005 (our Horizon is a 2005 model.) I thought I had some pix of the new rear TV here or on our website but maybe not.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: skeets682 on March 01, 2016, 04:09:06 PM
I replaced the old tv in the rear of our 2005 Adventurer. Cut a panel 23x19, drilled 2" hole in the center for wire access. Stained to match the cabinets. Then attached the panel using brass wood screws. I used a universal flat screen mount and used a 20" Sony flat screen that was in a spare bedroom in the house. Total cost, $30.00. And about two hours total time.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on March 02, 2016, 07:00:59 AM
Pictures?
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Post by: stevebyrum1 on April 09, 2016, 10:58:04 PM
I have replaced my front analog TV with flat screen. Bought LG 32 in TV, LG blue ray player, and LG surround system. My old system had a micro Jack that plugged into a headphone style Jack on back of TV. I assumed this would plug in to new TV for sound. When I plug it in it cuts off TV speakers and nothing comes out of motor home system.  Does anyone know how this needs to be hooked up? I would like to use old sound system with NW stereo and TV if possible.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on April 10, 2016, 05:55:37 AM
Welcome Steve.  Have a look on my website at how you can modify the TV (http://www.janeandjohn.org/pages/soundmod.html) for low level audio output.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: afchap on April 10, 2016, 03:50:30 PM
Steve ... welcome to the forum.  In order to help, we need to know what year Winnebago you are dealing with. Some are as simple as having an audio out plug, and others require other things. I ordered a "wort" from Riverpark Audio, Elkhart IN. They call it a "MT02 Modification Pigtail, Part #0000HRN-MT02". Cost was $10 + shipping. It solders to the speakers similarly to John's creation.

There may also be a setting in your TV setup that you can change.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Tin man on April 11, 2016, 07:40:43 AM
John a question..I would like to upgrade my vcr, but there is a bunch of wires coming out of the back. Assuming for the surround sound. Any ideas?

Jim
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on April 12, 2016, 06:18:24 AM
John a question..I would like to upgrade my vcr, but there is a bunch of wires coming out of the back. Assuming for the surround sound. Any ideas?
Upgrade your VCR?  Is it tape and you want to go to DVD?  Need many more details Jim.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Tin man on April 14, 2016, 08:58:36 AM
Sorry John, was up late, upgrade the DVD player.  The wires are hard wired in the back. It's also a programmable DVD. Speaker wires are soldered in.

Jim
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Post by: John Canfield on April 14, 2016, 03:45:30 PM
Is this a factory install?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Tin man on April 14, 2016, 05:33:58 PM
It appears to be, I bought the unit used, but the manuals look like winnebago's . 
It plays standard dvd's not blue ray, and the door hangs up.  The speaker wires ( surround sound) Bose are hard wired no snap on clips. 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on April 15, 2016, 06:56:56 AM
Hard wired - that would be weird.  There's no connectors on the back of the DVD player?  Can you post a picture?  Don't forget your TV needs to be full HD to take advantage of a BlueRay player.  On a smaller TV screen, you would be hard pressed to see a difference between 720p and 1080p.  I never had the urge to upgrade to BlueRay due to the high cost of the media.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Tin man on April 16, 2016, 05:26:25 PM
The MH is now in storage, but I'll get there next week. The wires are deffinitly hard wired.  I updated the tv two years ago and all is HD. Except for the SAT. Old dish on roof.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on April 17, 2016, 06:48:45 AM
Wow - hard wired.  I'll wait for a few pictures.
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Post by: Mary & Ray on May 01, 2016, 02:36:04 PM
So, after paying to have our front TV replaced (they did a great job), we decided to tackle the bedroom TV ourselves.  There was some trial and error.  But the project is complete.  We build a box with MDF and bolted it to the shelf.  The biggest problem was placement of the box.  We used a fixed mount for the TV to lessen the movement while traveling (the front TV is on and articulating mount and moves while traveling so we use a bungee cord).  With the fixed mount there isn't a lot of room to get your hand behind the TV to lock it once it is mounted.  We also attached a strap to try to lessen movement while traveling. If your MH doesn't bounce around while traveling, you won't need the strap ;)  I'm going to try to attach pics!  This part might be harder than the TV project

Don't know why the pics post sideways
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on May 02, 2016, 07:18:54 PM
MDF is good stuff to work with, I use it to make templates.  Our bedroom TV flat panel is on an arm and has stayed put for about nine years.  The larger front TV does need securing.
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Post by: Tacky attitude on May 13, 2016, 03:31:34 PM
Okay Guys and Gals. I have replaced the CRT TV in the bed room and have now started on the one in the front part of the coach on my 36G, 2006 Journey. I have removed the plastic cover on the TV and have ran into a problem on removing the wooden frame around the front of the TV. I found one screw on each side in the adjacent cabinets and that allowed some movement but not much. Any suggestions on finishing the removal of this TV would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on May 14, 2016, 06:30:39 AM
Pictures would help....
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Post by: cbeierl on May 20, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
Okay Guys and Gals. I have replaced the CRT TV in the bed room and have now started on the one in the front part of the coach on my 36G, 2006 Journey. I have removed the plastic cover on the TV and have ran into a problem on removing the wooden frame around the front of the TV. I found one screw on each side in the adjacent cabinets and that allowed some movement but not much. Any suggestions on finishing the removal of this TV would be appreciated.

i would expect at least two screws on each side from the adjacent cabinet into the faceframe.  If you have a center speaker over the  TV in the faceframe you will need to remove that before the frame will come off.
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Post by: Livin large on May 22, 2016, 11:20:05 AM
I moved the 32 inch Norcent flatscreen  tv to the basement and converted the compartment into a DVD bookcase. I mounted a 42 inch Proscan onto a stained plywood door. 42 inch tv is the biggest that will fit and still allow the slide to close without issues. I also replaced the rv dvd player/ amplifier with a Panasonic bluray player, Yamaha slimline AVR RX-S601 with bluetooth and internet radio and polk audio powered sub that fits nicely behind the fireplace. For the dual tuner PVR I rerouted the "cable" cable in the selector box to the "roof satellite" connector at the satellite connection wallplate and use the portable satellite connector for the other tuner and use a dish on a tripod connected to the outside connectors in the electrical compartment. The Winegard roof dish doesn't work with my Shaw Direct setup. I also use an RF modulator to send the PVR signal to the bedroom and basement tvs since the PVR only has HDMI and composite outputs. The PVR's UHF remote works great for channel surfing on the other tvs. I also put in a 24 inch Proscan in the bedroom that replaced the CRT that was in there. The space behind that tv is used to hold my wifi router with the external drive containing all my media files and Wifi Ranger hookups.     
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Post by: John Canfield on May 22, 2016, 12:04:16 PM
Very creative!  Thanks for the pix and details, welcome aboard.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Old Grape on June 25, 2016, 09:12:28 PM
Howdy All. We have replace 2 of the 3 TVs with LCD/LED TVs. We replaced the Front TV with an 32' Insignia (dealer provided) wen we bought our coach as part of the deal. They basically pulled out the old monster, installed a felt covered piece of plywood, and then mounted the TV directly to it. Last year we replaced the outside entertainment TV basically the same way. We replaced that TV with a 26" JVC LCD/DVD Combo TV. I still need to pull out the bedroom TV and replace it but it does not look too easy with the frame that Winnebago used. Also we want to convert that top cabinet area to combine with the lower half and install a stacked washer and dryer. Wife does not like that washer/dryer combo unit. :)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on June 26, 2016, 07:11:23 PM
We have used the Splendide combo washer dryer for over ten years and dear wife has learned to work around its limitations and would not be without it.  If she expected home W/D performance,  that's not going to happen. (Actually we are on Splendide #2).
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Old68mustang on July 11, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
The Front TV on my 02 Journey died years ago. My kids had given me a 32" Vizio LCD which I installed in it's place. That was before the nice, convenient, pull out mounts for RV's came out so I made my own mounts with some perf metal. It fit in so well that I was able to modify the existing wood trim to make it look like it was OEM. The one thing I like about it is the speakers are on the front of the TV  All the newer ones have the speakers behind and sound is poor unless you use an external sound bar. As one other poster s.aid look for a TV with a variable output that follows the remote volume control. This one has a fixed output and it doesn't work with the surround sound as it really blasts, but the speakers in the front are fine for me.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on July 11, 2016, 03:23:52 PM
.... As one other poster s.aid look for a TV with a variable output that follows the remote volume control. This one has a fixed output and it doesn't work with the surround sound as it really blasts, but the speakers in the front are fine for me.
You can easily (if you can solder, etc.) make a small modification to the TV speakers to bring variable line level audio out.  I detail that in a page on my website in the RV section.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: cbeierl on July 11, 2016, 06:10:58 PM
The Front TV on my 02 Journey died years ago. My kids had given me a 32" Vizio LCD which I installed in it's place. That was before the nice, convenient, pull out mounts for RV's came out so I made my own mounts with some perf metal. It fit in so well that I was able to modify the existing wood trim to make it look like it was OEM. The one thing I like about it is the speakers are on the front of the TV  All the newer ones have the speakers behind and sound is poor unless you use an external sound bar. As one other poster s.aid look for a TV with a variable output that follows the remote volume control. This one has a fixed output and it doesn't work with the surround sound as it really blasts, but the speakers in the front are fine for me.

This posting shows how I connected the surround sound to my new Vizio TV (as Winnebago had with the original Sony): Front LCD TV install in 2005 Vectra (Long) (http://www.irv2.com/forums/f101/front-lcd-tv-install-in-2005-vectra-long-97514.html)
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Post by: Diz and Sue on November 29, 2016, 04:56:08 PM
We have a 2005 Itasca Horizon 36RD and want to replace the non-working CRT over the dash with a flat screen.  Winnebago sent me instructions on how to get the old tv out but does anyone here have ideas on how to remove the plastic shroud screw plugs?  I've tried prying one out only to have the ring around it tear.  Maybe I'm not being forceful enough!  Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on November 29, 2016, 08:31:29 PM
Welcome aboard. Post some pictures of the part/area in question if you would.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: cbeierl on November 29, 2016, 09:55:52 PM
We have a 2005 Itasca Horizon 36RD and want to replace the non-working CRT over the dash with a flat screen.  Winnebago sent me instructions on how to get the old tv out but does anyone here have ideas on how to remove the plastic shroud screw plugs?  I've tried prying one out only to have the ring around it tear.  Maybe I'm not being forceful enough!  Thanks to all.

First, cover up the defroster vents with a towel so you don't lose anything down them.  If you inspect the plugs carefully you should see a tiny little ~1/8" long 'slot' on the inside edge of the outer ring of the plug.  Use the tip of a small knife or very small screwdriver carefully inserted into that slot to pry out the center plug.  Be gentle.
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Post by: Diz and Sue on November 30, 2016, 07:34:27 PM
Thanks for your replies - I'll try to get pics tomorrow!
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Post by: Diz and Sue on December 02, 2016, 04:32:11 PM
Ok here's a pic of the "plug" I'd already screwed up!  Haven't had a chance to try the method advised by cbeierl yet - weather has taken a downturn.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: BobNSam on December 02, 2016, 05:18:54 PM
Yep you can see cbeieri's slot on left inner circle on the picture.
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Post by: HappiHenri on December 04, 2016, 04:02:25 AM
Bought a 2005 Winnebago Adventurer 37b a few months ago, which we love.   Still had the original Sony flat screen CRTs which seemed to work OK (once we figured out that to power them we had to have the 300 watt inverter turned on).  But with new TV's looking so great it was hard to view that old technology - not to mention that we could achieve a few hundred lbs of weight savings by switching to LCDs: Sony 27" CRT ~100 lbs.  New Samsung 4k UHD 40" - 17 lbs. + weight of swing out, extendable mount.)

This model has the 27" TV in the middle cabinet, next to the dinette, facing forward, over the washer-dryer. Hardest part was removing the old Sony.  Learned a lot by pulling up the thin 1/8" "floor" in the cabinet above the TV so I could look down and see the back of the TV (huge!) as well as access some of the mounting screws in the large metal surround bracket which helped secure the TV.   But even with those removed it still would not budge, so I had to take out the Washer Dryer in the cabinet below it.  Once done I could access some large bolts - 2 of which secured the bottom edges of the large surround bracket, and the other 2 fastened into the bottom of the TV.  Once done the TV was free, but it was a beast!  I managed to wrestle it out and somehow get out the door - by myself.

Then I thoroughly vacuumed up the years of accumulated dirt & dust in both cabinets and went to building a backer board to hold the new TV mount. The 40" Samsung TV fits perfectly in front of the surround trim, but still does not overhang the edges or the lower panel (the one on top of the lower cabinet), so it did not interfere with the slide.  One of the improvements I wanted was to be able to swing the TV out and angle it for better viewing from the couch (which sits forward of the dinette).  So I bought the largest swing mount I could find (at Costco) which allows the mounted TV to extend 24" from the base wall mount.  However - the mount was about 3.5" in thickness, so I had to recess the new mounting board a few inches behind the cabinet trim. 

Once done it works great.  I can push the TV back against the trim and it sits in there nicely, with it's curved back edges allowing it to recess a bit.  And now I can pull the TV out and swivel and angle it quite a bit.  But the only video source I currently have is from a new Blue Ray player placed in the cabinet over the TV.  Getting nothing from the OE antenna coax connection - even when switched to TV antenna.  (controlled from switcher in the front passenger side overhead cabinet.)  Maybe no broadcast TV available in the location I was trying it from.  Also - while the TV sound is pretty good for such as narrow TV, I want to be able to take advantage of the coach Winnebago deluxe surround sound speakers & sub-woofers.

Questions for the forum -
1> For this Winnebago model with the deluxe, optional speaker system - where is the amplifier which drives them?  I was expecting to find one where I could control volume and tone - but nothing. When playing the center dash radio I can get sound from the front speakers mounted on either side of the windscreen and from the sub-woofer mounted in the floor next to the steps (though have no ability to control tone - only volume), but no sound from any other of the small cube speakers further back or from the 2nd sub-woofer mounted low up by the refrigerator.  I have downloaded all the possible information and electrical schematics I can find from Winnebago but find no amplifier that give me any control.  From the schematics there appears to a small speaker amplifier hidden up in the overhead cabinet over the driver's seat, but I cannot find it.  And it certainly is not pictured with any controls on it - only speaker connections.  Any suggestions??
2> This system also appears to have some remote IR sensors in a few places in the living/kitchen area - but what do they control?  What remote works with them?  Can find no documentation about them.

So - I have the new TV in place.  Works great so far but need help with the deluxe surround sound speakers and utilizing the roof mounted OEM TV antenna and Satellite dish.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on December 04, 2016, 07:22:43 AM
Welcome! Please put up a few pictures of your handiwork.

The amplifier you are wondering about might be the "Q-Surround" - mine is buried in the front left bay where a bunch of fuses and circuit breakers are located. Yours is in a handy place above the dash in the overhead cabinet, page one of this wiring diagram (http://www.winnebagoind.com/diagram/2005/05_wire_148518.pdf). (It's not really surround sound, just an amp driving a bunch of little speakers.)

The amplifier volume is controlled by either the radio or TV volume, in other words it's a fixed line level input. When I upgraded my TV/amp I bought a 'real' 5.1 Surround Sound amp/DVD player and only use the Winnebago amp for the dash radio. Here's a write-up (http://janeandjohn.org/pages/tvChange1.html) of my project.

The IR is to change TV channels or (whatever it did) from the bedroom. The IR receiver is a little dark plastic 'button', the emitter looks like a clear LED on the end of a plastic arm thingy and will be somewhere in your entertainment cabinet.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: sgkane on January 12, 2017, 11:05:53 AM
I got this done a while back but just getting around to posting the final pictures. My motor home is the Itasca Horizon 40AD. I used the MorRyde TV bracket. This bracket has a locking mechanism for travel mode. You simple pull on the strap to release. Its a little pricey but extremely well made and very stable.  Now we have lots of room inside for DW's yarn, printers etc.
I used some cherry wood to build a door front to take up the excess space which gave room to the Directv box, DVD Player and router. I felt pretty lucky to find a handle at ACE hardware that almost perfectly matched the handles from Winnebago (its only slightly shorter).  I'm also attaching a few during the construction phase although I have to admit that once I start working I'm not real good about taking a break to photograph the steps.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 12, 2017, 05:02:37 PM
Good job! That looks similar to my project  ;) . It's amazing how much storage space you recover by getting rid of the glass monster.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: sgkane on January 12, 2017, 05:07:59 PM
John - I have to confess your web site was a major influence on how I approached this project.  ;D
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 13, 2017, 06:38:33 AM
That's high praise, thanks! Your interpretation of how I approached the project looks quite good. 
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: wae on January 22, 2017, 10:52:33 PM
I just wrapped up a refresh of the front overhead entertainment system in my '93 Itasca Suncruiser.  It's fairly basic, but I think it's a good start.

During my research phase of the project, I went back and forth as to if I should do a DC-powered TV or a 110V and if I should do a stand-alone DVD or BluRay or a combo DVD-TV unit, and if I went with a stand-alone player, if that player should also be the stereo/radio/CD-player/Bluetooth sound system.  In the end, I wound up with an AC/DC 24" TV-DVD from Axess ($160 from Amazon) and a Magnadyne RV5090 ($125 from Amazon).

Getting the old CRT TV out was easy.  We were driving down the road and it just fell out.  It nearly killed one of our dogs -- he had been lying in the exact spot not five minutes before -- and caused a bit of a code brown moment for me.  I have no idea if it worked before because I never bothered to try to turn it on, but it went into the dumpster after that.  I also chucked the VCR that was up there.  With the TV gone, I had a gaping hole over the cockpit and I had a few different ideas.  At first, I wanted to mount the TV on an arm above the "rear" seat at the dinette, but I was concerned about anchoring in to the wall and the shower was on the other side, so putting a plate there wasn't going to be easy.  In the end, I decided to mount the TV over the hole.  After pulling off the trim around the cavity, I screwed in wood supports from the back side to make a mounting surface that was flush with the front of the cabinetry.  Having access to the area under the front cap was important to me so I can check for water intrusion and to get to the wiring, so I mounted a VESA mounting arm to a bit of 3/4" plywood and then used some aluminium clips screwed to the plywood and the mounting surface so that the whole TV mount system could be lifted off to gain access.  The articulating arm allows me to get in to the cabinets and gives me the ability to change the angle of the TV.

For sound, I connected the headphone jack from the TV to the rear aux-in port on the Magnadyne.  I had a problem with the speakers, though, since the original TV's output was mono and the split to go to the left and right speakers is somewhere in the ceiling.  I ran a new pair of wires to the right speaker through the cabinets and this brings me to my next point:  Wire colors.  I've build a couple automotive wiring harnesses in my time, and I've worked with trailers and car audio and all sorts of stuff.  I've always been able to trace wires so easily because I, and the manufacturers before me, choose a different color wire for each function.  Injector Bank 1 +12V is purple-green, IAT signal is red-yellow, running lights are brown, etc etc etc.  Some genius at Winnebago decided that was just far too much work so everything in the house 12V system is either green or purple.  Bar none, the dumbest thing they could do, and a real PITA when you're trying to add things or troubleshoot.

Anyway....  Once that was sorted out, I built a box out of 1/2" plywood which I mounted inside the smoked-glass-door cabinet above the passenger seat and then mounted the Magnadyne in there.  I pulled 12V power from the 12V outlet that was installed in the ceiling above the cockpit by tapping in to the purple and green wires (green's ground in that case, btw), and hardwired the radio but put in a 12V outlet in the old TV compartment for the new TV.

Works like a champ, however, I need some sort of solution around RF interference from the fluorescent lights.  I'm guessing that I'm on the same circuit as the lights and they cause the screen to flicker something fierce.  Long term, I'm going to replace the bulbs (and probably the 80s-tastic fixtures) with something LED, but for now I just turn the lights off.  There's no need for an inverter and I don't need to run the generator or be plugged in to watch TV or DVDs.  Plus I have an HDMI cable coiled up behind the TV that I can use to connect to my laptop.  To finish it up, I'm going to cut off the extraneous bracketry that extends above the TV and I'm going to cut up the trim that I pulled off of the TV cavity and re-attach it to the mounting plywood to finish out the look a bit.  (ignore that wire hanging down, I left my worklight up there by accident before I took the picture)

(apparently, my photo is too big for the forum to handle, and I can't hotlink it, so:  http://putrescence.org/piwigo/_data/i/upload/2017/01/22/20170122103409-16d4815e-me.jpg (http://putrescence.org/piwigo/_data/i/upload/2017/01/22/20170122103409-16d4815e-me.jpg))

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Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on January 23, 2017, 06:36:23 AM
...Getting the old CRT TV out was easy.  We were driving down the road and it just fell out.  ...
That's really unusual, generally the challenge is trying to decipher how Winnie installed the TV and then pull it out. I've never ever heard of one falling out on its own. Any idea why this happened?
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: wae on January 23, 2017, 10:06:30 AM
That's really unusual, generally the challenge is trying to decipher how Winnie installed the TV and then pull it out. I've never ever heard of one falling out on its own. Any idea why this happened?

There is a possibility that the TV that was in the coach when I bought it was not the TV that Itasca/Winnebago installed in it back in late 1992, however, it certainly had that vintage feel about it.  Inside the TV hole, there was a metal bracket that was bolted to the metal support behind the upper cabinetry.  The TV sat on that bracket and was held down to it by a nylon strap with a plastic side release buckle.  There was a slight interference fit between the exterior of the TV and the trim around it, but it wasn't a real tight fit.  My suspicion is that the nylon strap loosened and stretched over time until it was just enough to bounce out.

The good news is that it sounds like they've found a better way to mount things sometime in the last 24 years!  Of course, they may have gone a little overboard if it's that difficult...
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: DutchEagle on May 11, 2017, 09:24:53 PM
Finally done with the replacement. As a teaser here is the before and after picture.
I removed the cable switch box as we do not need a TV in the bedroom. Also because the new TV is a digital one I removed the converter. Added a SensarPro on the outside of the cabinet. To do that I removed the phone jack and moved the power outlet over to the phone-jack hole (after enlarging it a bit.) Next I mounted the SensarPro in the open space from the power outlet and got the required 12 volts via the available 12 volt power socket (just split the cable). I can now look at the numbers on the SensarPro for the OTA (Over The Air) signal while I turn the antenna.

I used a lot of ideas and instructions from John Canfield for removal and building the cabinet with sturdy material. Also used the same bracket that sgkane has, the MORryde TV1-025H locking bracket. This bracket is very sturdy and locks the TV in place for transport. On top of the TV I added some felt pads to dampen the up and down movement.

The new TV is a VIZIO D-series 32” Class Smart TV - D32x-D1 1080p. We added a Vizio soundbar for a better sound. You can use the TV remote to control the volume.

In a next post (soon) I will go in more detail and have some additional pictures.

NOTE:
We had some discussion about the size of the TV as it has some gaps below and on each side. We decided that it would be ok to live with that. I might fill that up maybe later but for now it's acceptable. The sound bar fills up the space below a little too.


Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on May 12, 2017, 06:59:31 AM
That's quite nice, good job!  I forgot your floorplan had the same TV layout as the AD model. You saved yourself a bunch of weight getting rid of the glass monster (and you gained HiDef.)
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: DutchEagle on May 16, 2017, 09:44:19 AM
That's quite nice, good job!  I forgot your floorplan had the same TV layout as the AD model. You saved yourself a bunch of weight getting rid of the glass monster (and you gained HiDef.)
Thanks John, I'm very happy with the result, thanks to your write up!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: DutchEagle on May 16, 2017, 10:08:57 AM
Some more pictures; (see description for each picture) This should be self explanatory and if not please ask.

All cables are rerouted under the bottom plate and are now behind the finished side walls.

The King dish on top of the coach does not support current technology so I do not use it anymore. I also removed the switch box (to switch between satellite/Antenna/DVD etc.) and the digital converter. We now have Dish and I take a Wally receiver from home and connect that via HDMI to my TV. The portable dish is hooked up to the Wally via the existing cable and hook up in the electric compartment. (I chose a Winegard Pathway X2)

Options to watch TV:
Satellite: Switch TV to HDMI-1
Over the Air: Switch TV to Antenna
Cable TV: Switch SensarPro from Antenna to Cable
DVD/Blue-Ray: Switch TV to HDMI-2 (Replaced the Sony Video/DVD player)
Watch on TV 2.... Nope will be removed.

Note:
My reason to choose the Winegard Pathway X2 was: Easy setup with automatic satellite finding, support of East and West arc for placement flexibility and it will power the Antenna via the coax. I did not care much for the second TV option.
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: John Canfield on May 16, 2017, 12:06:31 PM
Super job Klaas!
Title: Re: Survey of CRT TV to LCD replacements
Post by: Bill N on July 19, 2017, 04:08:55 PM
MAN! What a Trek!!
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