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Title: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 20, 2010, 09:54:02 PM
Good come back Tom!

The interesting thing is I really do use it on my guitar. I have for many years. About once every six months I give the guitar almost a bath in it. It keeps all the chrome parts shiny, it keeps the strings from corroding due to oils on my fingers and it lubes everything up nice. And it doesn't hurt the finish. My five year old guitar looks like it is brand new. That reminds me, I am due to give it a bath. I will do that tomorrow. I wonder if I should make a Youtube video of it?
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: geodrake on July 20, 2010, 09:57:42 PM
So, you can also bath in WD-40?
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Carl L on July 20, 2010, 10:05:08 PM
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I wonder if I should make a Youtube video of it?

Oh please don't.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: 34footer on July 20, 2010, 10:21:06 PM

Oh please don't.

Please do it, let's see how many hits it gets.
J
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 20, 2010, 10:36:46 PM
Please do it, let's see how many hits it gets.
J

Since I currently don't own a camera I don't think it will get many hits. ;D
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 21, 2010, 07:11:53 AM
The interesting thing is I really do use it on my guitar. I have for many years. About once every six months I give the guitar almost a bath in it. It keeps all the chrome parts shiny, it keeps the strings from corroding due to oils on my fingers and it lubes everything up nice. And it doesn't hurt the finish. My five year old guitar looks like it is brand new.

Tom, you really need to change your strings more than once in six months (I hope you do-unless of course you don't play the guitar much).  Do you actually use WD40 on the fretboard?
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 21, 2010, 08:43:36 AM
Tom, you really need to change your strings more than once in six months (I hope you do-unless of course you don't play the guitar much).  Do you actually use WD40 on the fretboard?

I don't believe in changing strings until I have a real good reason. My current strings are at least three years old. The WD-40 keeps them just like new. Plus I wash my hands before I play and wipe down the entire guitar with a microfiber cloth when I am done playing. No, I don't use WD on the fretboard, only on the metal parts. Some WD will end up on the fretboard but it has never hurt a fretboard yet.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: geodrake on July 21, 2010, 10:49:54 AM
It occurs to me that with all that lubricant on the strings you should be able to play a lot faster.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 21, 2010, 11:02:18 AM
It occurs to me that with all that lubricant on the strings you should be able to play a lot faster.

If I got any faster I would burn the guitar up. I can play Freebird in my sleep.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 21, 2010, 11:41:26 AM
I don't believe in changing strings until I have a real good reason. My current strings are at least three years old.

Tom,

    The fat lady has sung.  The strings are dead.  Bury them.  Give them a 21-gun salute.  Write a book about them.  Get a tatoo to remember them.  But it's time to put on new strings...
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 21, 2010, 11:50:14 AM
Tom,

    The fat lady has sung.  The strings are dead.  Bury them.  Give them a 21-gun salute.  Write a book about them.  Get a tatoo to remember them.  But it's time to put on new strings...

Why are they dead? They sound perfectly good to me. You can't wear out a wire. Strings are dead only when they are covered with oils from your hand. My strings are keep perfectly clean. Very bright sounding.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 21, 2010, 12:57:41 PM
Why are they dead? They sound perfectly good to me. You can't wear out a wire. Strings are dead only when they are covered with oils from your hand. My strings are keep perfectly clean. Very bright sounding.

Here we go hijacking a thread again...

First off, I know that you are the sort of individual that is VERY set in his ways, however, I will reply anyway.

It's not just a matter of wearing out a wire, come on, there's a world of difference between a piece of wire and a guitar string.  There is a science to guitar strings, nickel strings (sweet fundamental tones) have a different sound than stainless strings (bright super-defined tone) on an electric for instance.  The choice of string (and gauge) not only affects tone, but also how they bend, how they stay in tune, and how they respond to your touch.  Round wound vs flat wound also makes a difference in tone, feel and fret/finger wear.

The signs of a set of dead strings may be subtle.  Yes, you can get over a year of life out of a set of coated strings like Elixirs (which some folks don't like because they tend to have an almost plastic, muted sound due to their coating) or the high dollar Pyramids, but even then you're pushing it depending on how you play and how often you play.  It is a fact that string sets eventually die out, you might not be able to hear it, but if you play as much as you seem to you should know this already.  A good sign of dead strings is frequent retuning (no matter how "bright" they sound}.  On the high side, strings should be replaced every 3-6 months with normal usage.

It's not only your natural finger oils/acids, it's the way you play the strings, the way you bend them, the delicate surfaces of the nut, frets, and bridge that all combine to shorten the life of a set of strings.  Guitar strings stretch, and if they do not stretch evenly you will have a string that will give you artificial harmonics and is difficult to keep in tune, a sure sign that it's time to replace the strings.  If I remember correctly, didn't you post a photo of your guitar somewhere in this forum?  Does it have a tremelo bar?  A whammy bar is deadly to string life.

WD40?  Never would I put that anywhere near my guitar.  Yes, I know, some folks like it, but you can find some folks that will like anything.  Earl Scruggs used to put hair tonic on his strings before playing, but that doesn't mean I would.  Ever painted cars?  A tiny bit of WD40 in the air from somewhere nearby while you're painting will royally screw up a paint job, most concientious painters will not allow a container of WD40 in their shop.

Okay, with that said, I know you'll continue to put WD40 on your strings because it works for you.  And you will likely go down in the Guiness Book of World Records for going the longest without changing a set of strings on your guitar. 

New strings don't cost much, five bucks for a decent set.  Regardless of how you use it, a guitar is an instrument and should be treated as such (don't get me started on bands that smash up their equipment).
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 21, 2010, 01:10:03 PM
Changing strings on a Floyd Rose equipped guitar is a royal pain. It always takes a week or two before it finally stays in tune. Once it is tuned properly it never goes out of tune. You are correct, after over 30 years of using WD40 on my guitars I am not going to stop. It works extremely well. At my age I can't hear over 8 khz and like I said, they sound great to me. I play through a $139 battery powered amp. And I only play for myself. I am not going to go through the hassle of changing strings just because the guitar string manufacturers recommend it or anyone else for that matter.

You are right, I am very set in my ways, unless I read new evidence to convince me I am wrong. You are telling me my strings don't sound good but my ears say they do. So who am I going to listen to? I have been playing for over 45 years and I have heard all the arguments for changing strings, but until I can actually hear a benefit I won't waste either my time or money. But thanks for trying.

BTW - it is my thread so hijack away ;D
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Johncmr on July 21, 2010, 02:01:35 PM
I have a hair theory.  There are only so many little hair things, dead cells or whatever, and they roam around looking for someplace to attach.  As I get older seems like more places have hair that didn't before, so I can only assume there is a thinner distribution of these hair things, therefore an individual hair grows more slowly.

Or it could be something else.

Oh - only Martin Guitar polish for my ax.  I get my WD-40 at Wall Mart - only it's WD - 38.5.

johncmr
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Carl L on July 21, 2010, 02:47:57 PM
Y'all please note that I have made an honest woman out of this hijacked thread so now you git box pickers can go at each other with a cleared conscience -- if y'all have any such thing.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Marc L on July 21, 2010, 03:03:49 PM
While I like the sound of freshly replaced guitar strings, given Tom can't hear the difference and he only plays for himself.  Why go through the trouble?

I don't like changing strings either, it's a PITA on the Yamaha 12 string and also on the mandolin (8 strings).  Need to be tuned daily for a week or two until they stretch, then it's fine up to the point where they get old and can't keep a tune.

I don't really realize they sound bad until I put fresh strings.

As far as WD is concerned, I'll leave that for use in the garage, although there is nothing like a jam in the garage, but still not on my instruments.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 21, 2010, 03:09:47 PM
I did not tell anyone else they should use WD40 on their guitar. I don't care what anyone else uses on their guitar. Why does anyone else care that I use WD40 on my guitar? I don't understand why it is so fashionable on this web site to run WD40 into the ground. Get over it, other people use the stuff.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 21, 2010, 03:11:00 PM
You are telling me my strings don't sound good but my ears say they do.

Reading comprehension Tom...reading comprehension.  I never said your strings ddi not sound good, how could I when I haven't played your axe? 

What I said was that your strings are dead, long dead, kaput, their best days far behind them, whether you wish to admit it or not.  Guitar strings are simply not designed for a three year life (even the top of the line Pyramids) and all the WD40 in the world ain't gonna help them one iota.  All WD40 will do is clean them, that is all it can do (and make them smell bad).  Like it or not WD40 does nothing for their durability, for their sustain, for their harmonics, or their longevity, nor is there any evidence in support of WD40, just a LOT of hearsay from guitarists who labor under the false notion that WD40 is a miracle agent for their strings.  A string cleaner yes, but that's it.  But you like it and it works for you so...that's all that counts!

A guitarist changes their strings as they see fit.  Some change them every gig, some every week, some every month, and once in a while you run across someone like you who's going for some kind of record.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Carl L on July 21, 2010, 03:11:38 PM
I did not tell anyone else they should use WD40 on their guitar. I don't care what anyone else uses on their guitar. Why does anyone else care that I use WD40 on my guitar? I don't understand why it is so fashionable on this web site to run WD40 into the ground. Get over it, other people use the stuff.

I prefer LPS-2 myself.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Jammer on July 21, 2010, 04:00:35 PM
I was laying down some tracks for our upcoming CD the other day and couldn't figure out why the E string on my fiddle kept whistling.  Well it was my good fiddle not my road one and I hadn't played it for a while, and sure enough there was a little bit of corrosion on the e string.

Now, if only I would have had some WD-40 at hand everything would have been fine.

Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Jammer on July 21, 2010, 04:03:02 PM
I don't believe in changing strings until I have a real good reason. My current strings are at least three years old. The WD-40 keeps them just like new. Plus I wash my hands before I play and wipe down the entire guitar with a microfiber cloth when I am done playing. No, I don't use WD on the fretboard, only on the metal parts. Some WD will end up on the fretboard but it has never hurt a fretboard yet.

It is my experience that some people's skin is more corrosive than other people's.  I have a corrosive skin, and combined with my abrasive personality, I can really wear things thin.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: gonemissin on July 21, 2010, 04:25:09 PM
I knew there was a reason I stuck to Brass... ;D   Mineral oil...
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Mc2guy on July 21, 2010, 04:31:55 PM
I am a drummer, and the same thing happens to mylar drum heads...they just die and get funky overtones and no response.  I prefer cloth or kevlar as they tend to retain their tone and response longer.  Sticks too...a quick tap on the node can tell you if they are still alive, and playing with a dead stick is like fishing with a wet noodle...just doesn't feel right.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 21, 2010, 05:15:27 PM
Now I know why I can't play my instruments. I have a cheapy guitar, a Wald Zither and a "What is it" a deep body string instrument...looks like a pregnant small guitar.

  Maybe I should soak them in WD-40 for a while and see if my playing skills will improve. Never had any lessons in my life and playing by ear is the pits. My friends think so when I try to play.  ;D 8)

Right now they are all ornamental items on top of ledges around the rooms. ..catching dust.  :(

Carson FL
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 21, 2010, 05:26:06 PM
Next time I am in Florida I will be happy to give you some lessons. I can teach you Blackbird by the Beatles in a few hours.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 21, 2010, 06:42:00 PM
Thanks, Tom.. All my strings are over 30 years old, but sound good to me. Twang squeak etc...

Not for the faint of heart.

carson
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: oldwasichu on July 21, 2010, 08:25:10 PM
This is priceless. Who needs Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien? I have you guys.      ;D
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 21, 2010, 08:26:52 PM
This is priceless. Who needs Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien? I have you guys.      ;D

And I am much better looking than either one of them. ;D
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: oldwasichu on July 21, 2010, 08:30:36 PM
Tom,

I noticed you are an avid hiker. We are headed out to the Cloud Peak Wilderness area of Wyoming in about 2 weeks. I'd like to take my boys out for a half day hike. If you've been there, anything you'd recommend? Thanks.

Dave
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: 1275gtsport on July 21, 2010, 08:31:30 PM
I have Tom beat on not changing strings, a friend gave me his old Hondo star shaped guitar, I cut it up and fitted it into a cigar box. I think that the strings from 1984 sound perfect!!
Of course I have don't have much of an ear for music and can't seem to get the hang of counting etc.
but because I built it I will learn to play it...may take awhile
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 21, 2010, 08:34:19 PM
Tom,

I noticed you are an avid hiker. We are headed out to the Cloud Peak Wilderness area of Wyoming in about 2 weeks. I'd like to take my boys out for a half day hike. If you've been there, anything you'd recommend? Thanks.

Dave

Yep, I am an avid hiker but I have to admit that I have not even heard of Cloud Peak Wilderness area, much less hiked there. You will be very close to one of my all time favorite National Park hikes, the Swan Lake trail at Grand Teton National Park. It comes in number 7 in my top ten hikes of the National Parks.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 21, 2010, 08:37:13 PM
I have Tom beat on not changing strings, a friend gave me his old Hondo star shaped guitar, I cut it up and fitted it into a cigar box. I think that the strings from 1984 sound perfect!!
Of course I have don't have much of an ear for music and can't seem to get the hang of counting etc.
but because I built it I will learn to play it...may take awhile

Well you see you beat me because I do an awful lot of string bending and even though I have my guitar set up so it doesn't break strings, I still eventually will break one and then I will have to break down and get a new set.

My high school music teacher, Earl Jardine, had a favorite saying. "Anyone who can count to four can become a musician." So look around online for a counting course and see if you can learn how to count to four. But you have to do it in English ;D
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Jammer on July 21, 2010, 10:48:11 PM
So, you can also bath in WD-40?

Actually, it works pretty well for getting the crud off your hands if you've just conducted a roadside repair involving, say, bearings, roller chain, or gear oil.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 12:00:29 AM
Actually, it works pretty well for getting the crud off your hands if you've just conducted a roadside repair involving, say, bearings, roller chain, or gear oil.

And women go crazy because of the smell. I have them follow me home and knock on my door and beg when I wear it out in public like a cologne.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: PancakeBill on July 22, 2010, 09:53:04 AM
OK, they are begging you to wash your hands.  Be honest here.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: geodrake on July 22, 2010, 09:59:25 AM
Well, now we know why Tom is so slippery!  Perhaps he should change his handle from seilerbird to SLICK.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Gottasmilealot on July 22, 2010, 11:27:22 AM
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You can't wear out a wire.

Instrument string are metal. Metal fatigues. But, whatever works for you.  Life is good.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 11:32:21 AM
Instrument string are metal. Metal fatigues. But, whatever works for you.  Life is good.

Actually you probably could wear out a wire if you used it long enough. I just never have been able to wear one out myself on a guitar. One of the things I do when I install a new set of strings is to spend a lot of time pre-stretching each string after I install it on the guitar. At least 5 minutes per string. This keeps the string from stretching very much more as they get older.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 22, 2010, 11:51:23 AM
And women go crazy because of the smell. I have them follow me home and knock on my door and beg when I wear it out in public like a cologne.

This explains your great success with the fairer sex...perhaps this should go on the list of things WD40 does...now if it could only end world hunger, stop wars, cure cancer, and give me the winning lottery numbers...
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 12:03:21 PM
This explains your great success with the fairer sex...perhaps this should go on the list of things WD40 does...now if it could only end world hunger, stop wars, cure cancer, and give me the winning lottery numbers...

If you want the winning lottery number just listen to Stairway to Heaven backwards in headphones.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: 34footer on July 22, 2010, 12:18:39 PM
If you want the winning lottery number just listen to Stairway to Heaven backwards in headphones.
DOES NOT TWORK!
J
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 22, 2010, 12:55:24 PM
Here is the technical answer to strings on a guitar;

  Tune your guitar one octave, maybe 2, lower. That will take the stress off and you may be the first to develop a new sound.  Who knows, you may become a new sensation.  If it works, do I get a cut?   ;) ;D 8) ??? ::) :-\ :)

Carson FL  Such fun!!!! We need it now-a-days.







   
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 12:56:44 PM
DOES NOT TWORK!
J

You're not using the right drugs.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 12:59:29 PM
Here is the technical answer to strings on a guitar;

  Tune your guitar one octave, maybe 2, lower. That will take the stress off and you may be the first to develop a new sound.  Who knows, you may become a new sensation.  If it works, do I get a cut?   ;) ;D 8) ??? ::) :-\ :)
 

That's already been done. Listen to Tool, Korn, Mudvayne and similar metal bands.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 22, 2010, 01:05:14 PM
Tom, I have no knowledge of any of these bands. I guess it helps not using drugs.   ;D

  You know me, just trying to help...  ;D

Carson FL 94.5°

Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Mc2guy on July 22, 2010, 01:06:16 PM
Here is the technical answer to strings on a guitar;

  Tune your guitar one octave, maybe 2, lower. That will take the stress off and you may be the first to develop a new sound.  Who knows, you may become a new sensation.  If it works, do I get a cut?   ;) ;D 8) ??? ::) :-\ :)

Carson FL  Such fun!!!! We need it now-a-days.


Too late. 

Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath tuned his guitar an octave low because of him losing the tips of two fingers in an industrial accident back in Birmingham the mid 60s.  Without that accident we would have never heard two of the greatest guitar licks of all time, "Iron Man" and "Paranoid." ;D



Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Utclmjmpr on July 22, 2010, 02:08:09 PM
So far,, Ive seen all the reasons the guy is still single!!>>>Dan ::)
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 02:10:16 PM
So far,, Ive seen all the reasons the guy is still single!!>>>Dan ::)

Oh BS. There are dozens more reasons why I am single.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 22, 2010, 02:20:15 PM
You're not using the right drugs.

In my youth I'm sure I used every drug imaginable and it simply does not work, I can't even stand that song when it's not backwards.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 02:28:57 PM
In my youth I'm sure I used every drug imaginable and it simply does not work, I can't even stand that song when it's not backwards.

Neither can I. But if you listen to Tool, Korn and Mudvayne they sound much better backwards.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: geodrake on July 22, 2010, 02:35:32 PM
Oh BS. There are dozens more reasons why I am single.

I guessing that bathing in WD-40 might be one such reason. 
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 02:37:18 PM
I guessing that bathing in WD-40 might be one such reason.

George, I can't take a bath in WD-40, don't be silly. My motorhome doesn't have a bath tub. I have to shower with WD-40.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: geodrake on July 22, 2010, 02:38:56 PM
So when you shower do you use that little red straw or just let it rip from the nozzle?
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 02:42:10 PM
So when you shower do you use that little red straw or just let it rip from the nozzle?

Boy you really are behind on the times. The modern packaging for WD-40 has a permanently attached little red straw. I just tape it to the shower head and tape the button down.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 22, 2010, 02:46:43 PM
Be careful, Tom. I think WD-40 has an explosive factor. You may get hurt when you smoke on of those things when you are showering.. Ain't this fun?

carson
 
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 22, 2010, 02:50:40 PM
Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath tuned his guitar an octave low because of him losing the tips of two fingers in an industrial accident back in Birmingham the mid 60s.  Without that accident we would have never heard two of the greatest guitar licks of all time, "Iron Man" and "Paranoid." ;D

Uh guys, I hate to ruin a party here, but tuning a six string guitar an "octave lower" would make for a terribly sounding and playing guitar.  An octave is the interval of eight diatonic degrees between two tones of the same name (like a low E and a high E), the higher of which has twice as many vibrations per second as the lower.  Six string guitars are not made for reproducing such low tones correctly although you can play around a lot with a seven or eight string guitar and achieve some success tuning down an octave. 

A four string bass guitar for all practical purposes is tuned one octave lower than a normal guitar, top string being an E, but it is set up with a longer neck and bigger strings to accomodate that tuning.  Were you to do that with a six string guitar your lower strings would practically be laying on the frets. 

Don't you mean tuning down a "step" or two?  That's what Tommy Iommi did.  He tuned down three half steps from an E to a C# when he was with Black Sabbath (starting with 1971's Master of Reality, well after he recorded Paranoid and Iron Man...sorry ).  Tuning from an E to D is called "drop D tuning."  The lowest I've ever heard of guitar tuned down and recorded was tuning down from an E to a A by the band Korn and several others. 

Seilerbird could tune lower than an A but he would have to change strings to a larger set, adjust his Floyd Rose, and hope for the best.  And we know how much Tom loves changing strings...
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: geodrake on July 22, 2010, 02:53:58 PM
Does Tom smoke in the shower?
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 22, 2010, 02:59:09 PM
Oh Boy, the things one can learn on this forum. My wisdom level just jumped 1%.  Thank you Steve...

  carson FL  96°
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Marc L on July 22, 2010, 03:01:07 PM
Does Tom smoke in the shower?
No, that's Deep Purple.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 22, 2010, 03:01:55 PM
Oh Boy, the things one can learn on this forum. My wisdom level just jumped 1%.  Thank you Steve...

Just 1%?

BTW Carson, it's 93 here.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Marc L on July 22, 2010, 03:02:58 PM
Only 21 here
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 22, 2010, 03:12:24 PM
Luca,  I know, but when you are sitting at 99% where can you go? 
carson   :D ;D

Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 22, 2010, 03:15:42 PM
Luca,  I know, but when you are sitting at 99% where can you go? 
carson   :D ;D

Well, you're at a hundred per cent now, so where do you go from here?  I guess you could always forget some things and replace them with something else.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 22, 2010, 03:27:58 PM
Two replies.. 21 C equals about 70°  F. Happy that you are warm. Marc.

Would you like the temp in Rčamur ? 

Carson in hot Florida..

Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 03:33:12 PM
Just 1%?

BTW Carson, it's 93 here.

My wisdom level is down 9% since this thread started. And I don't have that much to loose to begin with.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 22, 2010, 03:45:08 PM
Steve, at my age, I adjust my wisdom level every day. Things just get lost daily. That way way I will never get over-wisdomized and can keep up with all the wisdom of this forum. There are some exceptions that I won't mention here.

Have a great day... we all need some of those these days.

Carson FL  96°

Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Mc2guy on July 22, 2010, 04:09:06 PM
Uh guys, I hate to ruin a party here, but tuning a six string guitar an "octave lower" would make for a terribly sounding and playing guitar.  An octave is the interval of eight diatonic degrees between two tones of the same name (like a low E and a high E), the higher of which has twice as many vibrations per second as the lower.  Six string guitars are not made for reproducing such low tones correctly although you can play around a lot with a seven or eight string guitar and achieve some success tuning down an octave. 

A four string bass guitar for all practical purposes is tuned one octave lower than a normal guitar, top string being an E, but it is set up with a longer neck and bigger strings to accomodate that tuning.  Were you to do that with a six string guitar your lower strings would practically be laying on the frets. 

Don't you mean tuning down a "step" or two?  That's what Tommy Iommi did.  He tuned down three half steps from an E to a C# when he was with Black Sabbath (starting with 1971's Master of Reality, well after he recorded Paranoid and Iron Man...sorry ).  Tuning from an E to D is called "drop D tuning."  The lowest I've ever heard of guitar tuned down and recorded was tuning down from an E to a A by the band Korn and several others. 

Seilerbird could tune lower than an A but he would have to change strings to a larger set, adjust his Floyd Rose, and hope for the best.  And we know how much Tom loves changing strings...

Octave, 5th, 3 steps, it's all greek to me IM A DRUMMER!!!!! MWAAHAHAHAHA

I did just watch a biography on Sabbath that indicate Iommi dropped the tuning right after his injury in '67 prior to his stint with Jethro Tull to alleviate the pain of pressing the strings into the frets on the upper registers.  Just repeating what I "learned'?!?!?!  Blame the biography channel. 8)
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 22, 2010, 04:12:53 PM
I did just watch a biography on Sabbath that indicate Iommi dropped the tuning right after his injury in '67 prior to his stint with Jethro Tull to alleviate the pain of pressing the strings into the frets on the upper registers.  Just repeating what I "learned'?!?!?!  Blame the biography channel. 8)

He may have used it earlier, but Master of Reality is the first recording of his that I know he used it.  He also used to use plastic "thimbles" on his fingers to alleviate the pain.
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Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 04:17:02 PM
Octave, 5th, 3 steps, it's all greek to me IM A DRUMMER!!!!! MWAAHAHAHAHA

Do you know how to get a drummer off of your front porch???? Pay him for the pizza.

What do you call a drummer who breaks up with his girlfriend???? Homeless.

How can you tell when a drummer is knocking at your door??? 1- The knocking speeds up. 2- He doesn't know when to come in.

What is the best way to confuse a drummer??? Put sheet music in front of him.

What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians???? A drummer.

Oh I got a million of them.


P.S. I am first and foremost a drummer.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 22, 2010, 04:18:58 PM
Do you know how to get a drummer off of your front porch???? Pay him for the pizza.

What do you call a drummer who breaks up with his girlfriend???? Homeless.

How can you tell when a drummer is knocking at your door??? 1- The knocking speeds up. 2- He doesn't know when to come in.

What is the best way to confuse a drummer??? Put sheet music in front of him.

What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians???? A drummer.

Oh I got a million of them.


P.S. I am first and foremost a drummer.

Whats the difference between a drummer and a large pizza?  A large pizza can feed a family of four.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 22, 2010, 04:26:00 PM
I have never giggled as much before this thread.  I am not a Drummer, I am just a Hummer. Sometimes on key.

Keep up the humor folks....

carson

Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Mc2guy on July 22, 2010, 04:28:42 PM
Well this drummer can sight read Shostakovich and Liszt symphonic tympani parts just fine, so any cracks about reading music will have to end there. :-*  Plus, I'm feeding a family of 5 just fine thank you.

P.S. I don't smell like WD40 either ;D
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 04:29:05 PM
You asked for it.

What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common???? They both suck without Cream
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 22, 2010, 04:30:35 PM
P.S. I don't smell like WD40 either

How refreshing, a drummer with a redeeming quality...
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 04:32:37 PM
Why is a drum machine better than a drummer????  Because it can keep good time and won't sleep with your girlfriend.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 22, 2010, 04:37:28 PM
To be perfectly honest, I don't know how some drummers do it.  They've got to have both arms and legs moving independently of each other, in perfect timing, and do it for hours on end.  They've got to have some kind of stamina.

Now if you want to view a unique drummer, watch the drummer in this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E)

Okay, that's it, that's all I'm giving up for the drummers...
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Tom on July 22, 2010, 08:36:56 PM
More show than drumming.

I once worked with an electrician who was a drummer (no, not Tom Seilerbird!). He used to twirl a long screwdriver like he did his drumsticks. I do it to this day  ;D
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 09:06:15 PM
To this day I still cannot twirl drumsticks. Which is good, I would probably hurt myself.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Tom on July 22, 2010, 09:42:39 PM
I'll show you how  ;D
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
I'll show you how  ;D

Good, you can teach me how and I will show you how to take photos.
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Post by: geodrake on July 22, 2010, 10:32:35 PM
Tom (seilerbird), do you use WD-40 on your camera?
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Post by: Tom on July 22, 2010, 11:01:53 PM
Only on the lens George  ;D
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Post by: Carl L on July 22, 2010, 11:20:42 PM
And then there was the Master -- Krupa.  Listen to him on this audio only U-tube cut of Sing, Sing, Sing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtB6dijjWl8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtB6dijjWl8&feature=related)
 
Some 9 minutes of solid drumming driving the song and backing soloist.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 22, 2010, 11:34:37 PM
Tom (seilerbird), do you use WD-40 on your camera?

I don't own a camera right now. I will be buying one on payday next week. I have never used WD-40 on a camera, but I wouldn't hesitate if I had a problem that WD-40 could solve. I never keep a camera longer than a year so it never gets rusty.
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Post by: BernieD on July 23, 2010, 07:49:31 AM
And then there was the Master -- Krupa.  Listen to him on this audio only U-tube cut of Sing, Sing, Sing.

Carl

Better yet, listen to him on the Benny Goodman Carnegie Hall Jazz Concert LPs. 2nd choice is the CD version. I've got both 8)
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Post by: Luca1369 on July 23, 2010, 07:51:44 AM
And then there was the Master -- Krupa.  Listen to him on this audio only U-tube cut of Sing, Sing, Sing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtB6dijjWl8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtB6dijjWl8&feature=related)
 
Some 9 minutes of solid drumming driving the song and backing soloist.

For my money Krupa is definitely a great drummer, but Buddy Rich is tops.  Check out this video of a drum battle between the two, Buddy Rich blows Gene Krupa away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5B7yqDYbA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5B7yqDYbA)
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Post by: Mc2guy on July 23, 2010, 09:05:34 AM
For my money Krupa is definitely a great drummer, but Buddy Rich is tops.  Check out this video of a drum battle between the two, Buddy Rich blows Gene Krupa away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5B7yqDYbA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5B7yqDYbA)

Buddy Rich was by far the better drummer technically.  Krupa was more about style.  I love 'em both, but neither could hold a candle to many modern jazz studio musicians.  The quality of instruction at universities and conservatories is light-years beyond yesteryear, and you would be shocked at the virtuosity of many young musicians graduating U.S. music schools nowadays. 

This is video of my friend from school Nate Smith.  He is but one example of the youth movement in explicit jazz/fusion drumming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=9eNgBt76qZY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch#%21v=9eNgBt76qZY&feature=related)
edit: fixed link.
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Post by: seilerbird on July 23, 2010, 09:42:56 AM

Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa were great drummers, but no one can hold a candle to Ron Bushy.
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Post by: Luca1369 on July 23, 2010, 10:10:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=9eNgBt76qZY&feature=related

There's something wrong with this link but cutting and pasting works well.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 23, 2010, 10:15:09 AM
Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa were great drummers, but no one can hold a candle to Ron Bushy.

The guy is best known for a two and a half minute solo in "Inna Gadda da Vida" and you mention him in the same sentence as Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa?  What kind of drugs were you doing back then?
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 23, 2010, 10:33:40 AM
The guy is best known for a two and a half minute solo in "Inna Gadda da Vida" and you mention him in the same sentence as Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa?  What kind of drugs were you doing back then?

Can't I have an opinion that is different than yours? It just blows me away. This is suppose to be the friendliest RV site but if I express an opinion that someone disagrees with then they become nasty. There is no reason to insult me because I like Ron Bushy better than Rich and Krupa. Rich and Krupa were great technical drummers but they bore me to death. Bushy had feeling like those two never had. Just like Ringo. One of the greatest drummers of all times but technically not very good. I prefer to listen to drummers with feeling, not technical chops. And I never did any drugs in the 60s.
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Post by: Mc2guy on July 23, 2010, 10:59:48 AM
Can't I have an opinion that is different than yours? It just blows me away. This is suppose to be the friendliest RV site but if I express an opinion that someone disagrees with then they become nasty. There is no reason to insult me because I like Ron Bushy better than Rich and Krupa. Rich and Krupa were great technical drummers but they bore me to death. Bushy had feeling like those two never had. Just like Ringo. One of the greatest drummers of all times but technically not very good. I prefer to listen to drummers with feeling, not technical chops. And I never did any drugs in the 60s.

No one was being Nasty Tom, Luca was just poking at you in jest (It's pretty easy if you haven't figured that out).  Personally, as a drummer, I can't stand to listen to a single "rock'n'roll" drummer from the 60's.  They all stink, technically speaking, and no amount of "feel" is going to make up for bad technique.    ;D

Get chops first, then feel/texture will follow.  Ringo, btw, is the most overrated drummer I've ever heard/seen/or known about.  He was born under a lucky star to get hitched with two of the greatest songwriters of all time.  He doesn't just lack technical chops, he has no sense of timing.  We used to call him "blitzkrieg" in high-school, because even then we could hear that he was always "rushing in".

So there's an opinion to to chew on... ;)
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: seilerbird on July 23, 2010, 11:02:25 AM
Rock and roll has never been about technique, it is all about feeling and attitude.

What kind of drugs were you doing back then?

I don't see anything funny about that remark and I sure didn't see a smiling happy face after it. It is pure nasty.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 23, 2010, 11:16:21 AM
Ease up Tom.  I did not become nasty nor were my comments meant as an insult.  My comment about drugs was meant as a joke because I can't see someone, especially a drummer, comparing Bushy to Rich. 

We have different opinions, mine is that Ron Bushy is not that great a drummer, feeling or not.  I suspect it has a lot to do with one's definition of a "good" or "great" drummer. Lots of musicians play with feeling but lack the technical skills to express themselves to a greater degree, and expression is key to a musician. 

A few weeks ago, on some late night TV program, I saw a guy do an impersonation of different drummers.  He did Keith Moon, Ringo, Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, and he had each one of their styles nailed.

And as for differing opinions, I have that right as well.  Sorry if you did not appreciate my attempt at humor, but a bad joke is all that I can be called out for.  We should be able to discuss things without going overboard.

I don't use smiley faces either, are they required for explaining my typed words?  I also did not do drugs in the 60s, the first half of the 70s however... :o
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 23, 2010, 11:21:55 AM
Ringo, btw, is the most overrated drummer I've ever heard/seen/or known about.  He was born under a lucky star to get hitched with two of the greatest songwriters of all time.  He doesn't just lack technical chops, he has no sense of timing.  We used to call him "blitzkrieg" in high-school, because even then we could hear that he was always "rushing in".

And what a great singing voice he has.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: PancakeBill on July 23, 2010, 09:35:10 PM
And yet, Ringo will be the last surviving Beatle.  Just wait. 

Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Johncmr on July 25, 2010, 12:31:23 PM
Well, Ringo was a reasonably good station master for Thomas the Tank Engine.  I dunno, you gotta love a guy who forgets the words to his own song in a concert.  Hey - I could do that!  I have memory problems, and by the way, I have memory problems.

I am fascinated to see the passion some have about their favorite musicians.  Nothing like a good forum website to people watch!

johncmr

Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 29, 2010, 08:02:48 AM
This drummer gets my vote. Style, temperament, technique and charisma. Is he playing music?

carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DVbt5W-DNc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DVbt5W-DNc)

Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 29, 2010, 08:10:29 AM
Thanks for the post Carson, but I think that video link was already posted in this thread.  Yes, this drummer has a certain style about him.  I think you can find his website by checking his other You Tube videos.  I forget his name, but he has been a hard rock drummer for a number of years.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Mike (ex-f-221) on July 29, 2010, 01:49:31 PM
Speaking of playing the guitar and the drums: In this video from 1:20 on the drummer seems to be chased by Les. Poor little drummer boy...:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4E8OrHAMa4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4E8OrHAMa4)
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 29, 2010, 02:11:12 PM
Hi, Mike...nice to see you on the air..

  Don't stay away so long.

The YouTube clip is not working too well over here, the other side of the World.  Very slow. I wonder if I am the only one to notice that...I am on a fast connection.

   Hope you and your family are well.

Carson FL
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Mike (ex-f-221) on July 29, 2010, 04:25:25 PM
Carson,
nearly every day I am in the RV Forum (since nearly four years). But most of the times I don't have to say anything. Others did before - and they really know it better.
- Try the clip a few hours later. Youtube sometimes delivers quick, sometimes very slow. I tried it this moment and received it with up to 2000 kbit/sec.
- Family is OK. Our younger son is now Staff Sergeant as you would call him in the US Army. Now he is the backbone of the army just as his daddy was years ago as a Chief Petty Officer. But he as a Army man has dirty feet which I never had as a Navy man ;D
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: carson on July 29, 2010, 05:41:27 PM
Thank you, Mike for that info. I appreciate  it.

carson

Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on July 30, 2010, 09:42:40 PM
Speaking of playing the guitar and the drums: In this video from 1:20 on the drummer seems to be chased by Les. Poor little drummer boy...:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4E8OrHAMa4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4E8OrHAMa4)

Wow, what a great video!  Les Paul shredding!  Interesting guitar setup he's got too!  Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Larry N. on August 02, 2010, 09:32:34 AM
...
A guitarist changes their strings as they see fit.  Some change them every gig, some every week, some every month, and once in a while you run across someone like you who's going for some kind of record.
Three years is no kind of record. The strings on my Takamini 12 string are over 10 years old, and on my Yamaha 6 string are even older. Of course I don't play much, and I'm aware I should get new strings (I have a few -- not a full set), but it's not been worth it so far -- perhaps if I start jamming with folks again (it's been years...).
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: itsmikeagain on August 02, 2010, 01:30:43 PM
the thing i find funny about this thread is how it started out about guitars and ends up on drummers...man those drummers are always seeking attention and want to make it about them..... ;D
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Luca1369 on August 02, 2010, 02:17:49 PM
the thing i find funny about this thread is how it started out about guitars and ends up on drummers...man those drummers are always seeking attention and want to make it about them..... ;D

It's also about WD40.  Do drummers use WD40?  Perhaps on their cymbals or pedals, maybe even their little stools?
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Johncmr on August 02, 2010, 03:53:10 PM
Do not use WD-40 on your eggs, at least on a gas stove.  I guess it did make 'em come off the ceiling easier.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Mc2guy on August 03, 2010, 01:23:39 PM
It's also about WD40.  Do drummers use WD40?  Perhaps on their cymbals or pedals, maybe even their little stools?

Generally oils/solvents of any kind are REALLY bad to have around drum heads, especially natural, cloth, or paper heads.  In high school we used Vaseline on the threads of our casings (the screws that tighten the hoop and pull a head against the shell of the drum).  Now I would use something synthetic with no petroleum oils in it.

I'm not a kit player, so no stools for me.  Unfortunately now my back is shot from running around with a marching drum strapped to my shoulders for 8 years!
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: itsmikeagain on August 11, 2010, 12:35:11 PM
well i am one notch above or below a drummer depending on who you are :o....yea thats right, i'm the acoustic rhythm guitar guy ::)
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: PancakeBill on August 12, 2010, 12:21:02 AM
acoustic rhythm guitar, always welcome at my jams.  Drums, sax, accordian, not so much.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: itsmikeagain on August 12, 2010, 09:36:07 AM
great!!! can i bring my kazoo?
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: PancakeBill on August 12, 2010, 07:45:03 PM
You are more than welcome to bring it. 

So long as you don't play it.   ;D
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Jammer on August 13, 2010, 12:45:11 AM
Well, gang, I have two fiddles and a guitar and a can of WD-40 in my rig and am gearing up for 5 stage shows a day plus street performances, every weekend, jam session Saturday night, worship service Sunday morning.  I have some extra E strings for the fiddle, some extra E strings for the guitar, and am kinda hoping I'm not going to need the WD-40.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Utclmjmpr on August 13, 2010, 07:52:44 AM
Why are you so hard on E strings??>>>Dan
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: geodrake on August 13, 2010, 10:46:54 AM
How are you fixed for G strings, Dan?
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: PancakeBill on August 13, 2010, 05:07:34 PM
Guitars are prone to snapping the high E, on the dobro never have trouble with an E.

I do have 2 G strings however.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: itsmikeagain on August 14, 2010, 10:01:55 AM
slighty warped neck OR depending on where they break it could be a small bur in the tuner.....nonetheless, i'll back you up with my 12 string anytime you need it....or my mandolin, or my 6 string banjo or better yet my kazoo!
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Johncmr on August 14, 2010, 10:47:13 AM
Great to know this forum has so many pickers. 
I'd like to invite you to a Bluegrass event we've had for 31 years.  It's Memorial Day weekend every year and is held at the Pegasus Campground in Elkins WV.  Some stage shows, but 90% of the music is around the campfires - many times the best kind.  Pegasus is a great, smaller campground run by and for musical types, the Elkins valley is down-right beautiful, and hiking, nature and mountain life are all around.  They have a nice web-site, but I never figured out how to post a link.

Maybe a little WD-40 on my little finger will let me get to 4th fret C# so I can hit a decent C#m chord!

johncmr
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: BadjerJim on May 05, 2012, 10:21:01 AM
Okay, this is the weirdest thread I've seen in a long time.  WD-40 is mostly kerosene (lots of oil).  And oil is one thing you want to keep away from guitar strings and guitars in general.  None of this makes any sense.

And agree with Johncmr: the C#m chord (and its derivatives, like Bm) are among the uglier chords to play on the guitar, but oh do they sound pretty if played cleanly and well.
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: Tom and Margi on May 05, 2012, 10:50:14 AM
Cryminitley!  I thought we buried this thread for good almost two years ago.  It wasn't one of this forum's finest hours.   ;)   
 
Margi
Title: Re: Guitars and WD-40
Post by: jje1960 on May 05, 2012, 11:44:47 AM
Bad penny for sure..... ???