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Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« on: September 05, 2009, 04:58:39 PM »
Hi. n00b here. I have some questions;

Which mobile home is more practical? One already attached to the car or one that is separate from the car and can be towed by a truck?

I want to buy a mobile home to full time in and being a n00b, i don't want to have regrets later.

I have a Toyota Tercel, a small 4 cylinder & 4 door car, that I want to tow along.

Would it be practical to have the truck tow the trailer AND the car?

What type of truck would I need?

What are the advantages of a Motor Home compared to a Travel Trailer/5th Wheel?

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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2009, 07:10:49 PM »
Choosing which RV to use is a tough question; and a lot of factors come into play.  You can do a search in our library by clicking the "library" button above.  There are articles and discussion on just your question.

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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2009, 07:37:25 PM »
If you intend to tow a car, you have limited yourself to a motorhome.   Towing a trailer behind a trailer is widely illegal unless you possess a commercial drivers license with proper endorsement.
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2009, 07:42:15 PM »
Marsha,

Thanks for the response.

I have been to the Library here in RVForums.net and have picked up scattered and subtle pieces of information and clues and what I'm looking for is a full-on discussion versus the two, kind of like the Stick House Vs Motor Home topic.

Are Travel Trailers worse because someone could easily steal your house? How is that prevented? Are Motor Homes worse because some of them can start leaking carbon monoxide or other dangerous substances under the right conditions?

What are the pros and cons of each?

I already see that Travel Trailers are more roomie and more expensive according to local sale prices here in Las Vegas, Nevada. But what do more experienced users have to say?

That is my core interest.


Carl,
I thought it was a little too crazy to tow a tow! :P Thanks for this valuable bit of info, it weights heavily on my decision process.

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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2009, 10:21:49 PM »
I don't think that travel trailer owners feel that they can "easily" be stolen and it can be prevented by buying a lock for the hitch coupler for when you are not connected to it. I've also seen chains on the wheels that would slow somebody down.   And motor homes would have carbon monoxide detectors to warn in the unlikely event of a leak.

Travel trailers are not more expensive than motor homes if that was what you suggested.  Quite the opposite.  But it appears that you have been looking and that would be the best advice possible.  After seeing the options you can start to feel more comfortable about one or the other.  Would you enjoy driving a larger rig and how much space do you need for living and for storage?  There are a lot of ways that RVs are used and trying to match the unit to your ultimate use of it will help you determine the style of RV that is best.
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2009, 07:25:10 AM »
Keep looking is a great suggestion.   You might also want to establish a budget.  Once you do, you may find that you have fewer, or possibly even more options.  Ask yourself questions, how many miles will I drive it/pull it, how often will I move it, where will I be going, (mountains, flatland etc), how much storage do I need, how many beds, and etc.  Once you have figured out how you will use the RV, what your budget is, your decision will be easier, because its likely your needs and budget will point you to a specific type of RV.

Once you settle on type, then the hard part begins, choosing a model number and mfg,,,

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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2009, 08:06:43 AM »
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What are the advantages of a Motor Home compared to a Travel Trailer/5th Wheel?

Mostly convenience while actually traveling. A motorhome is wonderful to pull over for a lunch or bathroom break or stop for an overnight stay. Easier to park, easier to set up on the campsite, etc. However, that "easier" and "more convenient" is not a substantial difference - maybe 10-15 minutes worth. If you stay in one place for several days, it fades to insignificance.  We have owned both and currently drive a 40 ft motorhome, but I just don't see the differences as a big deal.

The downside is they are more expensive to buy and maintain and insure.

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Would it be practical to have the truck tow the trailer AND the car?
Generally no, for the reason Carl stated. Plus, it is a cumbersome combination to maneuver.

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What type of truck would I need?

A full size truck, van or large SUV will work for most trailers.  You must have a pick-up truck for a fifth wheel trailer, but a travel trailer can be hitched to any of the three types.  Most mid-large size trailers are best towed with a diesel powered vehicle.


I'm not sure what you are seeing in the Las Vegas market, but trailers are much less expensive than motorhomes everywhere I go.

Carbon Monoxide leaks are no more likely or dangerous in a motorhome than a trailer. CO can be generated from any open flame and the propane burners used in RV appliances are the same in a trailer or motorhome. Both types of vehicle are required to have CO detectors now anyway. Motorhomes are more likely to be equipped with a generator, another possible source of CO,  but that is an issue only when you use it and the risk is about the same whether you have a generator with a trailer or a motorhome.
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2009, 12:23:57 PM »
With a motorhome, you will be able to tow your economical car behind it to use while the motorhome is parked.  A trailer will require a full-sized, heavy duty van or pickup truck to pull it, and you'll have to use that large vehicle for your everyday driving while the trailer is parked.  By the time you buy a truck to pull the trailer the combination cost will likely approach what you'd pay for an equivalent motorhome.

On the one hand, you'll save money by using your fuel-efficient car for local running around while the motorhome is parked compared to doing the same with the bigger truck or van.   On the other hand, a trailer costs less to maintain than a motorhome because mechanically, it's much simpler.   A motorhome requires all of the maintenance you'd give any other motor vehicle - a regular schedule of oil changes, tune-ups, mechanical repairs, tires, brakes, etc.   The mechanical maintenance of a trailer consists of replacing tires and brakes, both of which are significantly less expensive than their motorhome counterparts.

From a cost standpoint, whether it's more economical to use your existing economy car with a motorhome, or get a trailer and use the truck or van for local driving depends on how long you expect to park the house (trailer or motorhome), and how much solo driving you'll do while the house is parked.
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2009, 01:19:19 PM »
There is a specific article in the library on this subject:  click HERE.

I might add that in transit with a trailer, for lunch or pit stops, I simply pull into a rest stop or large a parking area, get out, go into the trailer and have lunch or whatever.   At the worst, I am exposed to the elements for the 15 second it takes to walk to the trailer door.   At in transit overnight stops pull into a campground, ask for a pull thru site,  pull into the site, connect the shore power cord, and am set for the night.   I do not unhitch or set up water or sewer -- that way I pull out in the morning with minimal fuss.

I suspect trailers, both travel and 5th wheel are actually harder to steal than a motorhome.  To steal a motorhome one has to break in thru the door, hotwire the ignition and drive away --- done all the time with cars actually.   Steal a trailer on hand you have to do  bit of preparation and some work.  First of all you have to have a tow vehicle capable of towing a 2- 5 ton trailer -- these things are not light utility or boat trailers after all.  Then you have to have the right hitch and receiver installed.   Because trailers use electric brakes you will also have to have a 7 or 8 pin connector plug and a trailer break actuator also installed on your truck.  Now that you have all that garbage ready to go, you need to back onto the trailer's hitch with much yelling and arm waving.  Then if are lucky your gear mates properly with the trailer's gear.   For instance, if the trailer has a Hensley Arrow system and you have just a normal ball and mount system, you are SOL completely.

Frankly if you are a vehicle stealing punk, it is one helluva lot easier to simply to walk over the parking lot and boost a Mustang or a Beamer in 60 seconds flat. ;D




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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2009, 04:31:43 PM »
Carl

Don't forget, to steal a motor home, you probably have to bring in the slides and raise the jacks. Those can take a couple of minutes each or more, assuming you know where all the switches are and how to work them. On my coach, you can't start the engine with the slides out and the 2 switches are about 30' apart behind cabinet doors. Then you can't put the transmission in drive until the jacks are up. How many thieves would want to sit around for 5-10 minutes waiting for the vehicle to be drivable, even if they could figure out how to do it? Go for the Bimmer.
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2009, 06:37:37 PM »
Is there a problem with motorhomes and/or trailers being stolen? It's not something I hear about, probably because RVs are too much trouble to steal, not to mention transporting and reselling.

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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2009, 06:45:13 PM »
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Don't forget, to steal a motor home, you probably have to bring in the slides and raise the jacks

Same thing with a trailer, unless you want to tow the trailer down the road with the slides out and jacks down.  All in all, either way it's more trouble than it's worth and is probably why you don't hear much about stolen RVs.

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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2009, 06:48:20 PM »
With diesel coaches that have air brakes, you also have to wait for air pressure to come up before the brakes release.
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2009, 06:57:30 PM »
And I don't want to get into thieves being in a hurry and not disconnecting the sewer hose and flushing out the black tank before they leave.
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2009, 06:59:37 AM »
Hi

I think the relative "stealability" of each type of RV is a nonissue.  I don't believe RV's get stolen very often (as compared to autos & trucks) and I would be surprized to find that of those that are, no one type of RV has a much higher theft rate than another.

The eternal question of which type of RV is best has no answer.  It's so personal and so riddled with tradeoffs, that most often anyone who has an opinion (and all of us do)  only got there by a lot of trial and error.  Since 1973 I have had truck campers, chassis mounts, ball trailers, fifth wheelers, and am now on my second motorhome, pretty much in that order.  Each, for me, had shortcomings that led me to the next, and each had strengths that I gave up when I changed.  For instance, we quickly outgrew the space in the truck camper (in fact, if there has been one central "theme" that has held out over the years, it's been space - more and more space!) but even today, I sometimes miss the versitlity of a good four wheel drive truck and camper.  On a "dollar per square foot" basis, trailers are hard to beat, even factoring in the cost of the tow vehicle.  I moved from a ball trailer to a fifth wheeler because, to me, the 'towability" and stability is so much better.  I moved to a motorhome from trailers for the reasons already stated by others above, of convenience and security.  I feel much more secure in a motorhome in rest stops, etc.  Doing your homework is critical. but the ultimate answer, I believe comes only with experience and an understanding spouse and banker!

Best of luck!

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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2009, 10:42:23 AM »
What are the advantages of a Motor Home compared to a Travel Trailer/5th Wheel?

We went from a travel trailer (owned for 4 years) to a motorhome (owned for 2 years now) and here are my personal comparisons;
Advantages to travel trailer;
1. much more economical (much cheaper and very minor maintenance).
2. guaranteed to have a get around vehicle when you get to your destination (you have to because you need it to tow, use it when you get
   there or not)
3. much cheaper to setup, 7 pin & receiver (tow package on most trucks standard), brake controller and tow bars about $500 total
4. lightweight (ours was only 4600lbs empty - 1/2 ton towable but we purchased a 3/4 ton gasser anyway-glad we did for other uses)
Disadvantage to travel trailer;
1. setup/breakdown time (even more inconvenient in the rain)

Advantages to motor home;
1. easy and fast to setup/breakdown (especially in the rain)
2. easy and fast access to everything because you are already in your RV
Disadvantages;
1. Much more costly
2. Much more maintenance
3. have to take an additional vehicle to bop around or hope your MH fits where you want to go locally
4. much more involved and costly to set up towed vehicle.
5. two mechanical vehicles to maintain

Apparently I believe there are more disadvantages to a motorhome but still love it immensely. I think most of the decision is based on how much money and time you have to spend. New TT total cost with setup for tow about $17k, Used MH with setup for tow car about $85k in our case. Just my experience/opinion, not all would agree I am sure.
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2009, 03:08:25 PM »
Dar,

Good run down on the comparison of trailer and motorhome.   I have just one quibble --- I do not set up in a rainstorm.   I rent a pull thru site.  I pull in and get more or less level via the bubble levels on my trailer.   I then get out and plug in the power.   I then get into the trailer and pour myself a drink.   We live off the tanks until it quits raining or the next morning which ever comes later.   Then I finish the unhitching and set up.

Scrubbing around in the rain is for the young and eager, not the old and cunning.  8)
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2009, 03:44:14 PM »
Scrubbing around in the rain is for the young and eager, not the old and cunning.

Carl, you failed to consider us "middle aged and impatient people" who want to be perfectly level/stable to make dinner upon arrival and get the slides out for space cannot tolerate partial setup, LOL. Regardless of rain or sun the pushing a button for leveling is enough to spoil a person compared to the unhitching and leveling a TT! Don't get me wrong though, I still loved our TT.
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2009, 04:28:06 PM »
Carl, you failed to consider us "middle aged and impatient people" who want to be perfectly level/stable to make dinner upon arrival and get the slides out for space cannot tolerate partial setup, LOL. Regardless of rain or sun the pushing a button for leveling is enough to spoil a person compared to the unhitching and leveling a TT! Don't get me wrong though, I still loved our TT.

Hey, no problems.   If that is worth $150K to you, it is worth $150K to you.  We easy.   8)
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2009, 08:36:44 AM »
We made the decision to get a fifth wheel instead of a motor home. Reason being is that we are full timers and the floor plan makes "us" feel more like we are in a little apartment than a motor home would. That's just our opinion. I do admit that sometime when I watch a motor home pull up next to us and  set up I wish maybe we had made a  different decision, but only for a second.  I agree with Carl, we get pull thru sites, hopefully level and if it would be raining, plug in the power, turn on the air and set up later.
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2009, 10:52:14 AM »
Dar had a good list.. I'll add a few things I quickl found out on the "Advantage motor home" side (And one on the advantage trailer)

Trailer: if you do not mind setting things outside our trailer when camped you can pack an increadable amount of "Stiff" in what is normally an isle.. Not so the motor home.

Advantage Motor Home.  On one of my first trips out I found that some idiot had decided to park his car under a semi trailer... at 70 mph.. with fatal results.. The result. ROAD CLOSED.. and.. Well.. I'm going to be sitting there a while

I had Television,  Food,, Water/Coffee... "Facilities" all without opening the door and setting foot outside.  Very nice.

In my travels I"ve occasionally had to pull off the road and run back to the ham shack. ur,   Well the room where I put the main radio and Damon put.... some plumbing.

Now, nice weather, no problem.. Pouring down rain.. Very nice having it and the driver's seat all under one roof.

I love my Intruder

I can pull in to a park with a pouring rain, push a few buttons and be basically set up.. HOok up power and such when the storm lets up... Can not do that with a trailer.
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2009, 11:09:36 AM »
Trailer: if you do not mind setting things outside our trailer when camped you can pack an increadable amount of "Stiff" in what is normally an isle.. Not so the motor home.

Not necessarily. When we go to our Coca-Cola Collectors Club conventions, we often have the aisle full of "stuff" that we're taking to sell. We've also been known to carry a large cooler, dog crate, folding chairs, inflatable kayak (not inflated) and more in the aisle. We prefer not traveling with the aisle full but it sure can be done with a motorhome.
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2009, 08:41:47 PM »
Another factor,in addition to the many already mentioned... what do your friends use, where are you going to go,  are you going to use RV parks, are you going to visit family, will you travel when it is cold, how  much experience do you have with large vehicles,  are you going to do most of the maintenance yourself, do you want loads of electronic goodies and finally, what does your wife/partner/traveling companion prefer?  That last one can be the most important of all.  FWIW.
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2009, 08:31:36 AM »
After Chet Parks switched from a 5th wheel to a moterhome he described the difference as "Park, hit the levelers, pop a top, we're home".

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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2009, 08:47:00 AM »
We have a motor home and wouldn't consider a trailer. We have friends with a trailer and wouldn't consider a motor home (in fact they just picked up their new 5th wheel yesterday). We have other friends with a tongue pull trailer. Half of the couple wants a motor home and the other half (note I didn't define better) wants a motor home.

We vacillated between a trailer and a motor home. At the time we got our first one, we were thinking trailer, but the price for the motor home was less than the price for a trailer (another long story about acquisition vs. maintenance costs).

There is no right or wrong answer to this. I suggest you rent a trailer or motor home that is close to what you think your ideal is. Get some practical experience and decide for yourself what is important and what isn't.

Plus, it's a whole lot of fun doing research this way! Good luck.
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2009, 09:30:06 AM »
We've had both and could imagine having a fifth wheel once again, though we love the convenience of the motorhome for travel.  A trailer is less expensive and more convenient to maintain, so if you don't travel 100+ days a year, it is probably a smarter choice. "Smarter" does not always mean "better", though. It depends on what your priorities are.
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2009, 10:17:11 AM »
We just bought a Motor Home about 4 months ago. We had a travel trailer for 10 years. We went back and forth on what we would like better. My husband wanted the Motor Home and I wanted to buy a new Travel Trailer. We asked a lot of questions here,got a lot of answers. My husband loves that we went with the Motor Home says it is easer on him,dose not have to hook up. My thought is how hard is it to bend down a hook up ??? Well I don't do any of that so I guess I will never know. I know this dose not help you but I think I still would have liked the travel trailer because I like the fact that I would have my truck there to drive around town. Thats just my thought. My husband would disagree with me. Good Luck. Oh what ever you go with you will love! They are both great! just being outdoors with nature and being with family and friends is what is all about!
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2009, 10:29:13 AM »
Throwing this out to get your respond and thoghts:

We've enjoyed our fifth wheel but it's starting to get to be less fun.  Especially sitting beside the road waiting for road service to replace the blowout.

We're thinking about a small (25ft max) motor home, small enough that we won't want/need a TOAD.

The smaller footprint would be great for long trips.  For week long musters and rallys, no toad would be a little cumbersome.  For months at Key West we would convoy down, the small space and tanks would be a challenge.

Advantages (percieved anyway)
- This would allow for a more spontaneous mode of travel. We could stop for lunch at a larger variety of places, at the antique store, and the along the way attractions.  Less rigid plannig, we could do the stop when tired bit and perhaps WalMarts, Cracker Barrel etc.

-Joel would have all facilities and toys available while Camille shops at antique stores

-We wouldn't be sitting beside the road waiting for road service so often.  Motorhomes don't have blowouts, do they?

-Easier, more fun to drive than a one-ton Dodge with 5th wheel behind?

Disadvantages
-You have to pack up & unhook to go to the grocery store.

-Can we get all our stuff in one of those things?

-Only one living area.  Both have to watch TV, or not.  One person can't go to bed early while the other reads or watches tv.

-Acquisition cost.  We own the truck and are upside down on the trailer after 5 years.  We're thinking that we'll paiy off the trailer so we have a clean title to sell or trade it.  That's going to hurt.


Maintenance costs:  The diesel truck costs more than a car for routine maintenance , but isn't bad, and has been trouble free.  The trailer has had a new refrigerator, two rounds of tires and a roof repair.  Not bad in retrospect.

We're thinking used, circa 2004 motorhome.  This equates to the E450, V10 that Gary mentioned earlier.

Milage is likely a warsh, the truck gets 11.7mpg @ 61.8 mph,a couple of mpg better @ 55 mph.

Whatta think?

Anybody want a 5 year old Dodge one ton and 28ft fifth wheel?

Keep your eyes open for a nice 25 ft motor home circa 2004 in the southeast.

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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2009, 11:28:18 AM »
-Only one living area.  Both have to watch TV, or not.  One person can't go to bed early while the other reads or watches tv.

FWIW, our last RV was a 24-foot Class C with a rear corner bed. Mike's a night owl, I'm not. I would go to bed around 11 and he'd stay up watching TV and messing around on the computer. It didn't take long for me to get used to falling asleep with the background TV noise (although it did take awhile for him to find the right noise level that he could hear and I could ignore). When we bought our Sightseer, we also looked at Treks with the Magic Bed - now there you do have to go to bed at the same time because once the bed is down, the living room is gone.

The search is so much fun.
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2004 Winnebago Sightseer
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joelmyer

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  • Joel (W4JNM) and Camille, GA
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Re: Motor Home Vs Travel Trailer/5th Wheel
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2009, 12:19:03 PM »
FWIW, our last RV was a 24-foot Class C with a rear corner bed....
The search is so much fun.
Wendy


Thank you Wendy

With the Class C, did you tow?  How did that work for you?

Your Sightseer is 28 feet?  Do you tow?

It seems to me that 25 ft is the upper limit for not towing.

Last year in Key West there was a couple next to us with a ~30 footish Airstream Class A.  Every morning she left the area on her bicycle and he drove the motorhome over to the Truman Annex and they spent the day in that area and biking.  They came back in about suppertime.  Seemed cool.

There were a couple of neighbors with smallish Class C's.  One was by himself, actually both guys were, their wives came down for visits.  Anyway Derr left everyday and went to various places to enjoy his coffee and newspaper with different scenery.

We're looking for two couches or couch & dinette that converts to bed.  We both get up several times a night and climbing over would be a problem.  Plus making up that corner bed?

Love the Trek but that bed wouldn't work for us.

There don't seem to be any short A's except the Trek.

Joel
Joel (W4JNM) and Camille, GA