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FlatwaterMG

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Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« on: February 21, 2010, 07:50:28 PM »
In the last stage of purchasing a 2009 Winnebago Outlook, the dealer has offered a clear coat finish called Final Coat that uses hot air blowers to heat the exterior of the MH then a clear sealer is applied to all of the surfaces.  What your thoughts and has anyone had this applied to their coach?  By the way this rig is part paint/part decals.
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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2010, 09:00:27 PM »
Welcome to rvforum and congrats on your upcoming purchase of the Outlook - great choice.  We have been very pleased with our Horizon for over 50k miles.

Personally I consider all of those dealer applied protection options a flaming waste of money.  There is a Winnebago service tips publication and for full body paint, I don't think they recommend polishing a new rig for the first six months (then they recommend a paste wax.)  Not sure if the Outlook is decals, partial paint, or full body.
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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2010, 09:12:29 PM »
Ranks up there with dealer-applied undercoating on vehicles. A waste of money.
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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2010, 09:26:54 PM »
Yeah, there are varieties of this stuff available in exchange for your $$$!  Don't know that I have heard of this one, but all the others I have seen are just expensive wax jobs ...add heat, and it's a hot wax job!!  I would just follow Winnebago's recommendations for the finish the coach has.
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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2010, 09:45:39 PM »
   A clever marketing scheme. The heated finish is supposed to help the silicone base adhere to the paint. In reality it's designed to separate you from your money.
   

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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2010, 10:07:33 AM »
I would somewhat disagree with others here as to the waste of $.  It all depends upon what you are paying for it.  How much will you be willing to pay for a regular wax job?  If it is anywhere near what they want it may well be worth it.  I wax my rig myself (35' class A) and sometimes wonder while I am doing it how much would I pay someone else to do it.  If I could actually get the paint shield to last a couple of years, and it was a couple of hundred, maybe it would be worth it.  The hot wax job is a new twist, although it does not sound feasible that the wax would penetrate  the paint.  It should just cover the paint.

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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2010, 10:28:08 AM »
Auto and RV dealers all market a variety of products affectionately known in the industry as "mop and glow".  Some of the products are applied by hand by dealership employees or contractors, some by a carwash-like machine and some (like the example I saw at an RV dealership some years ago, where the dealer just handed his customers a box of two or three small bottles and a buffing rag for $1200!) you do it yourself.

In any case, they are all just various forms of wax and/or emulsified plastics or silicone.  None that I have ever encountered (and I was in the car business for some time) provide any protection beyond what you get with a good wax job - many much worse.  They are mostly designed to give the inside of your wallet a smooth and slippery surface in the finance office.  Save your money and get your rig waxed once a year.  If you can't or don't want to do it yourself, using a good qualified detailer will still save you money.

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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2010, 10:54:39 AM »
I'm like mphy98.  Now my experience is 17 years old, so I'm sure products have come and go; but when we bought our 93 Chevy dually truck, I had the clear coat put on it.  It took them a day to put it on and I don't remember how it was applied.  In the 12 years I had that truck, I never waxed it.  It shinned like a silver penny when it was wash and dried and it was not under cover and was in the hot California sun.  I do think it made a difference in keeping the truck looking good for lots of years.

A couple of years ago we bought a new Chevy truck and asked to have the same stuff put on as an after product.  They told us the new paints used now a days have something added so that the paint doesn't fade and continues to have the great shine even without waxing; and it does.

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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2010, 11:13:08 AM »
As a former Finance Director, Marsha, I'm glad you were satisfied with your mop & glow. I'm just saying, there's no such material that will protect an automotive painted surface for much longer than a wax job.  Can you imagine what an advertising advantage a manufacturer would have if its products all looked like new after ten years?  Every car coming off the assembly line would be so coated. 

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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2010, 03:02:10 PM »
Clear coat is a sealer and I wouldn't spend the dollars with any add ons.......

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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2010, 04:37:59 PM »
Why not tell the dealer to throw it in as part of the deal!   Then you will evaluate it and let him know if its any good.  I was in the car business for 25 years and sold that stuff by the gallons.  It works for about 3 weeks then its downhill from there.  Think about it!!!!
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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2010, 05:20:39 PM »
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Every car coming off the assembly line would be so coated. 


Actually, Talyho is right: Clearcoat IS the 'sealant' the manufacturers use to keep paint jobs looking new for years. 

The best quality paint sealant I was ever involved with was sold by a dealer in So Cal.  It sold as a two-application per year program for three years for $695 - about the cost of six regular details.  It was a product that cost the dealer around $19 per application and took about 2 man hours @ $10/hr to apply.  This adds up to a dealer cost of $234 over the three years.

The point is, even as good a quality a product as it was, testing by the manufacturer of the material showed that it was gone from the paint job before a year - hence the twice-a-year application.  And, yes, cars traded in after the three years looked generally better than most, but would have looked just as good if they had been waxed 6 times. 


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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2010, 06:36:53 PM »
Clearcoat is the same resin as the basecoat less the color pigments - it is often referred to as two stage paint system. Clearcoat needs to be maintained (waxing) but if not will often still survive for a number of years looking fairly good; is dependent upon pollutants,UV exposure, etc in the cars location.
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Re: Clear Coat Sealer Addon by Dealer?
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2010, 07:28:43 PM »
As Leo has described, "Clear coat" is part of the modern paint process (called base coat + clear coat) and different than the aftermarket finish protection products applied by dealers and detailers.
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