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Possible Fire Hazard!!
« on: October 02, 2011, 07:20:20 PM »
Own a 2007 Journey SE, and just had the light over the monitor panel fall off the ceiling.  It melted!  Tha metal inside melted, the plastic is burnt brown, and when I went to pick up the puck, it was so hot I burnt my hand.

Seems like a mismatch of size bulb and receptacle. Any one else have this problem?  I have pictures but can only email them, do not know how o attach attachments.

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Jim W

The light still works, but the puck is useless.
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2011, 07:48:59 PM »
Jim - first report I've heard.

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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2011, 08:06:59 PM »
Don't know which light this is, maybe you can check socket against bulb watt rating to see if it was replaced with wrong one. I do know some of them get hot enough you better not grab it with bare hands!
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2011, 08:33:13 PM »
Well still can't attach pictures.  I'll check out the voltage thing,  but the case that fell on the floor was what was hot. It melted.  The metel inside also melted.
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2011, 10:33:33 PM »
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Seems like a mismatch of size bulb and receptacle
  Unless the fixture shorted out, a mismatched bulb is likely exactly what caused it. That will quite often result in a melted lens, and could well be a fire hazard too.

I have heard of folks replacing the 10w halagon G4 bulbs like I have in my puck lights with 20 or 25w bulbs available at Walmart, etc. I would expect pretty much what you describe if the light were left on very long. I melted a porch light lens on my coach by replacing a burned out bulb with one that "looks the same" but was NOT the same!  Since I no longer had the original bulb, I had to go back to the wiring diagrams for my coach to find out what the proper bulb is. I have also had dealers tell me that owners who want brighter headlights have caused damage to their headlight "buckets" and burned wiring by simply inserting hotter bulbs.

Fixtures are designed for particular bulbs. Using higher wattage bulbs often requires both fixture and wiring upgrades.
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 07:35:15 AM »
Even a 10 Watt halogen gets hot enough to burn skin.  Those halogen puck lights are a nuisance, as well as being energy hogs.  Nearly all my halogen bulbs have been replaced with LED bulbs that plug into the same G4 pin base.
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 07:37:14 AM »
Hot enough to melt the metal?
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2011, 10:45:32 AM »
It,s amazing how much heat these low voltage bulbs produce and how dangerous they can become, especially when mismatched to the socket. This is why I would never use one as a nightlight. I feel better using the ones that plug into a receptacle as they are out in the open and when they burn out you usually just buy another instead of trying to replace the bulb.
Your files size is probably too large on the pics. Try shrinking them and they should post ok.
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2011, 11:45:24 AM »
I Had the exact same thing happen to my 2006 Winnie Adventuere 37-B
I purchased a new light from dealer but haven't installed it yet. Bulb seems way too hot. I agree with probably wrong replacement bulb at some time.
I'll check the bulb in old fixture and see if it's same as bulb in new lamp assy. and post what I find.

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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2011, 04:06:08 PM »
I'd like to see this..
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2011, 06:51:29 PM »
To Mav

I cannot figure on how to get them from my I Pad to the forum. I tried copy but the forum would not take.

Jim

I tap attach and cannot put anything in.
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2011, 07:40:46 PM »
I keep ALL my forum pix on Photobucket, to which I also have an App on the iPhone. On other forums I simply copy that link and include it in the little picture poster window, the forum goes out, grabs the pic, and there it is. On this one you need to post the link, but the end result is the same.

Mine gets hot, but not THAT hot. Maybe it's time for an LED research/ mod project here..
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2011, 07:48:28 PM »
Jim, I'm happy to try and post them for you if you want. I assume you have synced the Ipad to your pc ok? Once you do the sync, you should be able to see the photo's on your pc. Then just email them to me, mavarick@comcast.net. I will have a look and see if I can post them for you.
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2011, 08:13:52 PM »
I replaced mine with LEDs too.
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2011, 09:18:41 AM »
I had the same thing happen to me. I replaced the fixture with a $10 fixture that matched the one over the sink. It provides plenty of light and doesn't get hot like the little one did.
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2011, 07:10:00 PM »
Maverick

They should be in your mailbox

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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2011, 12:43:28 AM »
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Jim, I haven't rec. anything. You might want to check spelling on my email address?
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2011, 02:13:57 AM »
Here are the pictures of the melted light from Jimís 2007 Journey. AKA Tin Man
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2011, 03:05:34 PM »
I see discoloration, but nothing melted
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2011, 09:54:19 PM »
The metal inside is melted, and if you look at the inside you will see a piece of the metal melted into the plastic.

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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2011, 12:38:37 AM »
Had the same thing happen in our '09 40TD...the light right above the OnePlace panel.
We're looking for a replacement fixture that will be much cooler.
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2011, 12:46:12 AM »
What kind of mettle is it made of?  To have a bulb melt it it must be thin aluminum? 

Halogen are energy hogs, and were working off coach batteries, so I would not think halogen is a good idea even if they didn't melt the fixture. 

LED's are wonderful.   Run all day on very little juice.

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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2011, 03:15:10 PM »
The bulb still works.  Was camping this weekend, and turned on the light and forgot to turn it off smelled something burning, and the socket was smoking. 

Will not use the light till I can find a replacement.   

Looks like I'm out one light because the light is built into ceiling.

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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!! GREAT LED REPLACEMENT!
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2011, 09:04:19 PM »
We were at Lowes today for some other bulbs and found a G4 12v LED light for only $8.98. (previous G4 LED cost me $19 ea). It is rated at 1.0w, and 62 lumens. I bought one and put it in and the DW cannot tell the difference between it and the fixture 3 feet away that still has the 10w Halogen ...it is super, and appears to be excelent quality. Just like the others I bought, I had to remove the pot-metal reflector from my puck fixtures to get the LED bulb in. The package says "G4 12 volt DC, Array Premium LED, Replaces T3/G4 Halogen." Product number on the package is "#0323782."  I will be buying more for my other G4 fixtures.
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Re: Possible Fire Hazard!!
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2012, 12:57:28 AM »
Starlights has 2 direct replacement lamps that plug directly into the fixture and are ridiculous bright: G4-160, and G4-205.

Here are pix of the G4-205 replacement:
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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2012, 01:13:48 AM »
Wow, those are bright! I need one of those over my panel.
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2012, 08:12:52 AM »
I had the same thing happen to me. I simply replaced the fixture with a plain old two bulb fixture that I got at Camping
World. It provides more than enough light and doesn't get hot like the high intensity bulbs do. here is the link to the type of light I am talking about:
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/product/12v-dome-lights-double/6124
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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2012, 09:52:15 AM »
I can count, possibly on one hand, the number of times we have been around hookups in the last 30 years. That fixture still comes with incandescent lamps that draw several amps, unless I replace them as well with LED.
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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2012, 01:04:32 AM »
Additionally, Gambler RV out here in Quartzsite has several boxes of the white fixtures for $6ea. Don't know if they ship.
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