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kathy proctor

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Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« on: March 06, 2012, 08:00:02 PM »
Hello!  I have always loved wood burning stoves.  I recently came across some information about installing a wood burning stove in RV's.  It seems with the correct ventilation and protections of walls and floors it seems to be feasible.   Anyone out there know anything about this?  Recommend any websites?  Thanks....Kathy (AKA The Palace Owner)

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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2012, 08:21:24 PM »
In Germany my neighbor had a Pot Belly (army) wood burner in his VW bus. Steve pipe went out the window. I am sure if installed properly and keeping safety in mind it can be done.
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2012, 09:25:28 PM »
I have seen some small stoves in boats, but I think they were coal.
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2012, 10:49:18 PM »
I wouldn't recommend it.  Two problems - first, a RV interior is a very small area.  An open fire will quickly deplete the oxygen in the RV unless you provide a way for it to draw in outside air.  Usually this means keeping a vent or window open, which defeats the purpose of the stove.

The other problem is the RV construction.  To put it bluntly, they're firetraps.  A conventional house has sheet rock walls and ceilings to contain and slow any fire that may start.  RVs are made out of wood and thin paneling, and with no firebreaks in the interior any fire will fully engulfed them in a matter of minutes.

To me, a wood burning stove in a RV is just an accident waiting to happen.


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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2012, 12:48:31 AM »
You might investigate a pellet stove.  They are expensive, but much safer than a regular wood burning stove.  You won't have the same type of flame to mesmerize you, but it's still pleasant to watch.
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2012, 08:12:57 AM »
We have an electric "fake" fireplace.  It kicks out a lot of heat and is very pretty to look at, especially if you're like me and love watching a fire.  It's not the same as a real wood burning fireplace, but it does serve a purpose.  You might consider something like this if all you're wanting is the aesthetic value of a fire place along with something to help heat the place up!  JMO   Mikie
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2012, 01:45:59 PM »
We recently met a Dutch couple with a wood pellet stove in their toy hauler. 

If you like I can try to get more details, and/or put you in touch with them.
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2012, 01:55:47 PM »
I got some friends in New Meadows, ID that build wood stoves for RV's out of old propane bottles. My friend and his father both live in old motorhomes with a propane bottle wood stove with no issues to date. The fire is kept rather small because a rip roaring fire would sweat you out in seconds. He's burning 7-9" long firewood (fist size) or lumber scrapes.
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2012, 04:35:19 PM »
Hello!  I have always loved wood burning stoves.  I recently came across some information about installing a wood burning stove in RV's.  It seems with the correct ventilation and protections of walls and floors it seems to be feasible.   Anyone out there know anything about this?  Recommend any websites?  Thanks....Kathy (AKA The Palace Owner)

Kathy

Take a look at http://marinestove.com - though expensive they are a manufacturer that specializes in smaller wood stoves.  A number of Airstream owners have installed them with good results.  These stoves are costly and proper installation requires skill and additional materials to support the stove and stovepipe and provide proper protection for combustibles.

There are photos of several installations at airforums.com.

Airstreams do have noncombustible roof and walls.  Some additional protective measure, like spark arrestors, might be necessary for other rigs.

There are several manufacturers who make lower cost stoves intended for use in ice fishing houses that could probably be adapted:

http://www.nuwaystove.com/

In either case exceptionally small stovewood must be used, 8-12" long piece split fairly small.
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2012, 05:30:42 PM »
Ironic, the very next post I read after this one.... http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=51418.0;topicseen
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2012, 11:08:35 PM »
Hi Kathy,
You may want to look into "parlor stove" models as they are small, decorative, and will fit nicely into a corner that is lined with covered greenboard for fireproofing. They are designed to warm a very small area (in Victorian days, a parlor, hence the name) and can burn small firewood, coal, cow chips, or pellet corn. (I don't recommend cow chips as they smell nasty when they burn!)
 Keep in mind that your roof will need to be protected and the floor reinforced beneath the stove as it will need to be secured to prevent tipping and it will need a fresh air inlet from the exterior to burn properly (and without filling your RV full of carbon monoxide). If it is just for aesthetics, you might like a small propane flame faux fireplace (or electric one like described above) to curl up in front of.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2012, 01:03:17 AM »
We have an electric "fake" fireplace.  It kicks out a lot of heat and is very pretty to look at, especially if you're like me and love watching a fire.  It's not the same as a real wood burning fireplace, but it does serve a purpose.  You might consider something like this if all you're wanting is the aesthetic value of a fire place along with something to help heat the place up!  JMO   Mikie

Hi Mikie, 
Would you please give me the brand and model of the electric fireplace you have in your MH?  My brother is planning on installing one in their fiver.  Is yours built into a cabinet (insert) or freestanding?  Does it have it's own hardwired designated plug?   

Thanks for any info you have.

M. Smith
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2012, 09:54:47 AM »
M.Smith,
Ours came in our MH and it's built right into the cabinet.  My son-in-law got one from Home Depot and installed that in an existing cabinet.  I will check on the makes and let you know.

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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2012, 11:03:02 AM »
Ironic, the very next post I read after this one.... http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=51418.0;topicseen

Most RV fires are electrical in origin.  Perhaps we'd be better off going back to fireplaces and gas lights.

Were it not for the relatively small number of RVs (compared to stick houses, cars, and hotel rooms) I think there would be greater attention given to the electrical portion of the RVIA code.  I would like to see more emphasis on protecting wiring from damage, the use of more vibration resistant wire terminations, and the use of fire-rated junction boxes for 120v and for the higher current 12v connections. 
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2012, 11:15:05 AM »
Here's ours....The fireplace was given to us so I have no idea of the model. I has a small electric element that looks like a stove burner, fan and thermal safety.

Although it only draws 12A I ran a dedicated #12 circuit on a 15A breaker. The unit provides enough heat to take the chill off in the morning. Also if you look under the logs you will see a duct opening from the onboard furnace. Good place to hide those darn floor grills.

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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2012, 11:32:14 AM »
M.Smith,
Ours came in our MH and it's built right into the cabinet.  My son-in-law got one from Home Depot and installed that in an existing cabinet.  I will check on the makes and let you know.

Mikie

Mikie,  They want to remodel their existing cabinet by moving the TV up and install the insert below it.  Appreciate any info on the insert make.  Thanks so much!

M. Smith 
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2012, 12:11:53 PM »
Here's ours....The fireplace was given to us so I have no idea of the model. I has a small electric element that looks like a stove burner, fan and thermal safety.

Although it only draws 12A I ran a dedicated #12 circuit on a 15A breaker. The unit provides enough heat to take the chill off in the morning. Also if you look under the logs you will see a duct opening from the onboard furnace. Good place to hide those darn floor grills.

Later Will

That's what they want one for "to take the chill off".  They don't want their bedroom warm, just nice to sit in the living area and enjoy it on a chilly day.

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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2012, 02:10:45 PM »
M. Smith,
Ours is a Dimplex model BF8000ST.  Hope that helps.  It really does work slick...we are able to heat our entire MH (40' with 4 slides) to a comfortable 72 degrees by just using the fireplace.  Of course you have to remember, we are in California and our nights have been only in the maybe high 40's to low 50's at the coldest when we've used it.  But, even without that...it's makes the inside of the MH nice and cozy!!

Good Luck,
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2012, 02:49:51 PM »
Thanks so much for the info Mikie!  I will pass it along to my brother.  I'm in Southwest Idaho (your night temps have been our day temps) and my brother is in Southwest Washington.  They don't use the fiver during the winter but will be traveling to Yellowstone and then McCall, ID in June and then back to their beach property for the summer and fall.

Thanks again for sharing the info! 

M. 
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2012, 05:58:43 PM »
I love McCall...we have good friends who own the hotel there.  Visit there as often as we can!!
Glad I could help.  It's always nice when I can give some one some assistance because I've learned so much from all of the great people on this site.  Even when I ask "stupid" questions, they always provide me with some kind of explanation! LOL
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2012, 07:35:22 PM »
You're right Mikie, this is a great forum...I find so much information on it and very helpful people.

McCall is my favorite summer place.  We camp at Ponderosa State Park...LOVE it!  We'll be camping there this summer, plus a family wedding at Shore Lodge in July.

Thanks again for info!  M
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2012, 09:38:38 PM »
We've never camped at McCall.  Are there hook-ups at any of the campgrounds?  I remember there was a really picturesque campground along the lake, not sure if it had any services.
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2012, 08:40:46 AM »
Another vote for the Dimplex electric fireplace. My 5er came with one. Not as nice as a real fire but it will put out out the heat. It will keep the interior about 20 deg warmer than the exterior. You can control the speed of the flame and lighten or darker the flame. Not sure the model but it pulls 1875 watts on full throttle.

Just google Dimplex rv model electric fireplaces and they have several to choose from if you want to go that route. Just keep in mind if you have a 30amp system you may have to set you up a separate power supply.
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2012, 10:33:10 AM »
We too enjoy a good wood fire, the difference is ours is in a 30" fire pit on our patio. Having one inside would give me the chills knowing that I only have about 20 seconds to get out if I managed to set the place on fire. I say 20 seconds because I almost lost a good friend a couple of months ago when his camper went up with him in it. He managed to get out in approximately 30 seconds and suffered first and second degree burns before he could get to the door. The fire destroyed his camper, his truck parked beside it and the office building that belonged to his employer.

If you want to install a wood burning fireplace inside your camper you are courting disaster. Not only that, you are virtually eliminating any hope of selling the rig in the future. Remember, if it burns after you sell it, somebodies heirs will hold you responsible.

Sorry to be so negative but I just think this is a VERY bad idea.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2012, 12:24:28 PM »
Joe,
The Dimplex one we are discussing now is not a real wood burning stove.  It's really nothing more than an electric heater that's made to look like a fireplace!  It's just for aesthetic value, AND it does throw out heat!  I love mine and can't imagine being with out it now....JMO

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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2012, 04:07:42 PM »
Joe,
The Dimplex one we are discussing now is not a real wood burning stove.  It's really nothing more than an electric heater that's made to look like a fireplace!  It's just for aesthetic value, AND it does throw out heat!  I love mine and can't imagine being with out it now....JMO

Mikie
These units are really neat.  I saw one at a friends house, I could not believe how real the flame actually looked through his!  I was also surprised at how reasonable the price was, it really had nice looking wood accent.
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2012, 06:56:15 PM »
We've never camped at McCall.  Are there hook-ups at any of the campgrounds?  I remember there was a really picturesque campground along the lake, not sure if it had any services.

Our favorite campground is Ponderosa State Park (I think this is the one your are thinking of)...just a couple miles from McCall and on Payette Lake.  There are three "loops"...Aspen Loop, Blackberry Loop and Chokecherry Loop.  These all have water and power, there are also pretty nice restrooms and showers.  But most of the sites are not made for really large RV's...branches hang a little low, some not good for slides, etc.  Our kids grew up camping in these loops.  The newest loop is Dogwood...it's called a "group camp", but it's for individuals also.  Dogwood has paved sites, water, power and sewer at each site and plenty of trees.  Also has very nice restrooms/showers.  It's made for the bigger rigs, but you'll see all size RV's in Dogwood.  This is where we've stayed for the past 3 years.  It's only a short walk to the beach.  They allow pets (on leashes) at all the loops.  Reservations can be booked 9 months ahead...which is what we do because we have about 6 RV's (all family) going and want to be able to chose which ones we want and get them together.  We've been going to Ponderosa for about 30 years.  Love it there!  Here's the website  http://parksandrecreation.idaho.gov/parks/ponderosa.aspx 

There are a few other campgrounds that we've looked at also.  There's one by the airport and on the river.  There's another one just south of town also.  I think if you Google campgrounds in McCall, ID...it will come up with a list.

I hope this info helps.  My brother said to tell you thanks for the fireplace insert info!  M
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2012, 07:04:19 PM »
Another vote for the Dimplex electric fireplace. My 5er came with one. Not as nice as a real fire but it will put out out the heat. It will keep the interior about 20 deg warmer than the exterior. You can control the speed of the flame and lighten or darker the flame. Not sure the model but it pulls 1875 watts on full throttle.

Just google Dimplex rv model electric fireplaces and they have several to choose from if you want to go that route. Just keep in mind if you have a 30amp system you may have to set you up a separate power supply.

Thanks for your info...I will pass this along to my brother too!  He is having his son (an electrician) see what they need to do for wiring this weekend.  Don't want any wires overheating, etc.

M.
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2012, 07:07:20 PM »
We too enjoy a good wood fire, the difference is ours is in a 30" fire pit on our patio. Having one inside would give me the chills knowing that I only have about 20 seconds to get out if I managed to set the place on fire. I say 20 seconds because I almost lost a good friend a couple of months ago when his camper went up with him in it. He managed to get out in approximately 30 seconds and suffered first and second degree burns before he could get to the door. The fire destroyed his camper, his truck parked beside it and the office building that belonged to his employer.

If you want to install a wood burning fireplace inside your camper you are courting disaster. Not only that, you are virtually eliminating any hope of selling the rig in the future. Remember, if it burns after you sell it, somebodies heirs will hold you responsible.

Sorry to be so negative but I just think this is a VERY bad idea.

AGREED!!  It's an accident waiting to happen!
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Re: Installing a wood burning stove in a 30 ft 5th wheel.
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2012, 08:00:59 PM »
Electric, I have two and love 'em, wood, not on a bet.
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