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Author Topic: What SUV can tow 10,000lbs?  (Read 3630 times)

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What SUV can tow 10,000lbs?
« on: May 27, 2013, 02:46:18 PM »
We just bought a 2010 Jayco Jay Flight G2 Series 32BHDS.  GVWR is 9750 and GAWR is 5000 and Jayco says the weight is 7765.  So we are looking for a good, used vehicle to pull 10,000 lbs.  We are opting between 2001 FORD EXCURSION LIMITED 2500 6.8L V-10 3/4 chassis 88000 MILES vs. 2004 Chevrolet Suburban 2500 4WD 8.1L V-8 3/4  chassis 160,027 miles.  We live in Wisconsin and will being using mostly in the UP of Michigan and Wisconsin but plan on taking a yearly trip out west or even south to the smokies.  Would either of these work ok or should we be looking at something completely different.  We were wanting an SUV for the seating capacity and these seem to be the two biggest vehicles available.  Thank you in advance for any help that you can provide!

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Re: What SUV can tow 10,000lbs?
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2013, 03:33:38 PM »
Evaluate your truck requirement based on your trailer GVWR of 9750 lbs.   You plan to tow in the West so, with a gasoline engine, you will want a tow vehicle with a tow rating of 20% more which would be 12,200 lbs.  [Un-turboed gasoline engines loose 3% of rated HP per 1000 feet of altitude.   Diesels being turbo-charged, do not pay this penalty.]
 
The 2001 Excursion is rated at 12,500 lbs with a 4.30:1 rear end but only 9600 lbs with the 3.73:1.   If you have the 4.30, you should be OK.    The 3.73 will be marginal at best out in the high country of the West.
 
The 2004 'Burb rates at 12,000 lbs with a 4.10 rear and 10,200 lbs with the 3.73.
 
Both units with a 4.10 or 4.30 rear end should do you OK.   That said, the mileage on the Burb does make me a bit leery.   160K is lot of miles on a gas engine.

 
 
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Re: What SUV can tow 10,000lbs?
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2013, 09:51:37 PM »
I had a 2005 Excursion 4x4 V10 with 3.73 gears 4" lift and 35's (those last 2 don't help at all) and towed a 2007 Fleetwood Redline 35' Toyhauler (32' box) weighing around 12,500 pounds for around 5 years. While it handled it I would not recommend that much weight for the Excursion even with the 4.30 gears. I come from a family of truck drivers and more often than not we use more guts than brains. But I don't see a problem with 10,000 pounds. That's what mine weighed with no water or toys and it pulled fine. Loaded I got around 6 mpg running 70mph and 7-8 running 55-60mph. And 10-13mpg empty. I have no experience with the Suburban but do know that the 8.1 is a stump puller.



Here's what I pull it with now and I never realized how under trucked I was until I got this. 2002 F-350 4x4 7.3 Powerstroke

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Re: What SUV can tow 10,000lbs?
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2013, 11:03:39 AM »
You have the two top candidates. A Ford E350 or E450 van would also do the job.

Would a crew cab truck have enough seating for you? If so, you would expand your choices substantially.
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Re: What SUV can tow 10,000lbs?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2013, 03:09:39 PM »
Either of those vehicles will work, but if you can look for a 2000-2003 DIESEL Excursion with the 7.3 Powerstroke.  You'll pull much better with the diesel and get better economy while doing so.  Stay way from the 2004-2006 Excursions with the 6.0 powerstroke, they have a very bad reputation for failure.  Both gas engines are great and pull well.  I would probably go with the Suburban 8.1.  Lots of low end torque.  I towed with the Triton V10 in an F350, not too bad but you really need to rev the crap out of it to make it move.  It loves RPM.
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Re: What SUV can tow 10,000lbs?
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2013, 04:47:57 PM »
We just bought a 2010 Jayco Jay Flight G2 Series 32BHDS.  GVWR is 9750 and GAWR is 5000 and Jayco says the weight is 7765.  So we are looking for a good, used vehicle to pull 10,000 lbs.  We are opting between 2001 FORD EXCURSION LIMITED 2500 6.8L V-10 3/4 chassis 88000 MILES vs. 2004 Chevrolet Suburban 2500 4WD 8.1L V-8 3/4  chassis 160,027 miles.

I have a 2004 'burb with an 8.1.  It's great for what you're doing.

Evaluate your truck requirement based on your trailer GVWR of 9750 lbs.   You plan to tow in the West so, with a gasoline engine, you will want a tow vehicle with a tow rating of 20% more which would be 12,200 lbs.  [Un-turboed gasoline engines loose 3% of rated HP per 1000 feet of altitude.   Diesels being turbo-charged, do not pay this penalty.]

Carl the problem in this particular case is that the rating for the 3.73 is based on the limitations of the transmission, not the limitations of the engine.  There is no reason to derate the transmission for altitude.

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The 3.73 will be marginal at best out in the high country of the West.

While I have the 4.10 I have driven the same power train with 3.73 gears and can state with confidence that it is quite sufficient.  With the 4.10 and my 8,500 pound trailer it is occasionally necessary to put the transmission in 3rd gear rather than drive to avoid excessive shifts.  With the 3.73 it is almost always necessary except in the flatlands.
 
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That said, the mileage on the Burb does make me a bit leery.   160K is lot of miles on a gas engine.

Again, while true in the abstract, the particulars of the situation auger differently.  The 8.1 has an easy life in a 'burb even in one that spends a good deal of time towing.  Mine has 160k and is not showing any indications of wear other than a leaky main seal -- compression is strong and other than what I attribute to the seal leak it only uses around a quart of oil in 2,000.  Big blocks do that when new.  These things put out 1100 horsepower in marine applications and are dialed back to under 400 in a 'burb.  Even in a workhorse chassis they last a long time.

The transfer case is the weakest link in the power train on these vehicles.  It's a $2k repair at an independent shop.

As with other 3/4 ton trucks with that kind of mileage it's not unusual to have to do some transmission work and replace the rear axle seal at some point particularly if the service history is dodgy.

The 8.1 has an external oil cooler and the rubber hoses that go to it have to be replaced every so often.  It's a $600 repair at the dealer, I did it myself for a quarter of that but it's more than most people would want to try.

I get 8 mpg towing and 13 mpg with just the 'burb.  Sure you can do better with a diesel.  I didn't think the upfront cost and lifetime repair and maintenance cost made it worth it.  Maybe the math works better for other people.
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