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Now that this thread has turned to engineers, I'll comment. When I graduated with my BSEE, I was already working for Hughes Aircraft Co. Although fresh out of school, I felt very competent but very green. All new engineers were paired up with a senior engineer for training. It took a couple of years and we were ready to take over. I will say that the education I got, was invaluable in becoming a competent engineer. In this world, there are many who call themselves "engineers" without actually putting in the rigorous hours to earn it. I've seen many techs, many my assistants, claim to be engineers, but given the toughest assignments fail. Without the education they lack the math and engineering skills to succeed as engineers.